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What if more Tornados were exported?

Started by GTX, March 24, 2006, 09:44:30 PM

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The Rat

QuoteIf I can ever get the paint together, I'm planning on doing up my Trumpeter F-107 as a JASDF "Tenguzame*" in one of their blue aggressor schemes.

* - Japanese for Goblin Shark
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Archibald

Hey! Just imagine the AFVG was not scraped by Dassault in june 1967. If the program survived, that means Great Britain make the Tornado with France! No Mirage G and G8 (french tornado equivalent). Of course Dassault must cooperate with another country (he disliked that but was wrong). We can then imagine that Germany, Italy, and others countries involved in the MRCA at the beginning (Netherlands, Belgium, Canada) also stayed in the program.
So, the Tornado is not backed by for THREE air forces, but rather by SIX!
And the number of planes rise to nearly 1800 or something like that...
Tornado in French AdA would have been much better than the Mirage 2000N to replace the Mirage IV. Just imagine a tornado with ASMP :P  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Iranian F-14A

#17
Heres a little something I posted over on Key Forums a while back when the issue of export Tornados came up.I got my info from the now defunct WAPJ.These are countries that at one time or another looked at buying the Tornado.

At one time or another,quite a few countries were looking at the Tornado.
1.Canada-Canada was looking at the Tornado IDS to replace the F-101 and F-104 however chose the F/A-18A since the IDS lacked an Air to Air role.
2.Oman-Oman ordered 8 ADV fighter models and had the option for 8 more in either IDS or ADV mods,or a brand new multirole model.The order was subsequently Cancelled.
3.Jordan-Jordan tried to order between 8-10 ADV models through Saudi Arabia after attempts to buy the F-20 came to nothing.Later,interest switched to buying 8 with possibly 12 more IDS models directly from BAe in 1988.Financial problems led to the order being cancelled.
4.Malaysia-Malaysia agreed on a package which included 12 Tornado IDS models.Of the 12,4 were special SEAD models broadley the equivalant of the GR.Mk1A with an Marconi emitter-location system.The order was retailored with the Tornados replaced by cheaper Hawks.
5.South Korea-Souyh Korea had a requirement for some 50 Tornados including up to 40 SEAD models.This resulted in a competition between Germany and their ECR models and Britain with the modified GR.Mk1A as offered to Malaysia.
6.Thailand-Thailand was another potential customer with 4 SEAD models required among 16 IDS models expected to be ordered.
7.-Spain-Spain wanted the Tornado,but because of cost,ended up with the F/A-18A.
8.Greece-Greece also wanted the Tornado IDS but it didn't have the vital air to air role,it adopted the F-16 and Mirage 2000.
9-Turkey-Turkey ordered 40 Tornados in 1984 but the UK Export Credits refused to fund the deal,and it fell through.
10-Japan-Japan had an eventual requirement for up to 130 Tornados to replace the F-1 in the anti ship role.Many senior JASDF officers favored the Tornado and a dedicated ship killing model based on the stretched ADV airframe was offered as the Tornado J.Japan ended up going with the F-2.I also heard they were interested in the ADV fighter model as well.
11-Iraq-Iraq evaluated the Tornado IDS in 1982 and which anticipated ordering 100 aircraft.The Iran-Iraq war led to sanctions which ruled out the order.
12-Belgium-Belgium was one of the original members of what would become Panavia.Belgium,like Canada,needed an interceptor and so dropped out of the program and went with the F-16.
13-Netherlands-The Netherlands were also a member of the Tornado program early on,but soon withdrew as they needed a replacement for their F-104s in the interceptor and fighter-bomber roles,not a long range Interdictor.They,like Belgium,went with the F-16.
14-USA-The US evaluated the Tornado as a potential competitor in it's Enhanced Tactical Fighter competition.There were suggestions that a USAF buy of Tornados might of led to an RAF buy of two seat F-15s for use in the air defence role and the cancellation of the Tornado ADV.After this proved unsuccessful,another model was proposed to meet a requirement for the USAF's Follow-On Wild Weasel requirement.The requirement was for up to 150 SEAD aircraft with the AN/ALQ-99 Emitter-Locater system.In the end,the F-4G Wild Weasels were replaced by HTS equipped F-16CJs.



Imagine if Iraq had ordered the Tornado,then used it in the Gulf War.Maybe this list will insipire a few nice profiles!
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I've still got plans for a EF-24 Weasle V somewhere down the road (IIRC the AF was looking for a F-4G replacement after the ATF comp was decided).



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lancer

QuoteHatchet,

You took the words right out of my mouth:
QuoteJapanese attack bird in that cool blue camo, with 2 ASM-2s
A Tornado in these colours is exactly what I had in mind when I started this discussion:



Regards,

Greg
I have plans for an F3 in those exact colours. Also doing a GR4 as a JASDF strike bird.
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glanini

If you keep looking at my "cold war in europe" thread, someday, you'll find US, Canadian and French Tornados.

Anyway the PANAVIA consortium was really in discussion with Canada...........
... The hottest places in Hell are reserved for the ones who, in times of great moral crisis, stay neutral ..........

Damian2

Common glanini you have to do a SAAF Tonka profile for me someday! Especailly in the late F-1AZ scheme:

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Iranian F-14A

That would probbley be a good camo for that SAAF A-4 profile I keep putting off.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever-1984
Current projects:
BAe EAP
OH-58F Kiowa Warrior
S-70C Civilian Hawk
HAL Light Combat Helicopter
S-64 Skycrane Firefighter

Damian2

#23
QuoteThat would probbley be a good camo for that SAAF A-4 profile I keep putting off.

My A-4 PTSA is going to be in those colours  :wub: I just love that camo it has got to be one of the coolest combos out there, right up with SEA, HAF "Ghost, Euro-1 and the JASDF "Blues"...

I want a Tonka, Jag, F-4 and F-16 in these colours as well...Here's the plan for the Jag :D

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gunfighter

Sure the Jag is an aircraft very well suited for SAAF requirements. Its avionics are quite similar to that of the F1AZs, and so is the payload. Maybe a little cheaper to buy and operate. 48 units from 1978 on, 36 remain in service in late 90s.

Spey_Phantom

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personnaly, i always thought a Tornado F.3 would look good in turkish markings.
a country like Turkey could use a couple of them  B)
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