Phantom or Tornado RCS?

The Rat · December 01, 2025, 02:10:22 PM

Apparently the Radar Cross Section of the Panavia Tornado has never been published, if the talking heads on-line can be believed. They may be correct, as I can't find that info. The F-4 RCS I found indicates 6-10 m2, which to me seems almost optimistic for that collection of lumps and bumps!

Ultimately, this isn't important for my cunning plan, I could go with either one, just seeing if the hive-mind can get me any better answers.

jcf · December 01, 2025, 02:50:58 PM

According to this blog post the RCS of the "Toronto" is 5-10m^2.

^{4th Generation Fighter Jets RCS}

PR19_Kit · December 01, 2025, 03:05:07 PM

How do they find that information though?

The Rat · December 01, 2025, 03:37:09 PM

Quote from: jcf on December 01, 2025, 02:50:58 PMAccording to this blog post the RCS of the "Toronto" is 5-10m^2.

^{4th Generation Fighter Jets RCS}

But thanks anyway.

tahsin · December 02, 2025, 12:46:25 AM

I am squinting very hard and have no doubt it is not the case but I like the impression that Bill Gunston's Flanker sized F-18 is alive enough to be RCS tested.

Don't the British always claim they did most of the Tornado? Aren't British bombers usually named after cities? Wasn't Toronto once British?

scooter · December 02, 2025, 04:37:08 AM

Quote from: tahsin on December 02, 2025, 12:46:25 AMWasn't Toronto once British?

It was called York back then, IIRC. Not to be confused with either the original or the new

scautomoton · December 02, 2025, 04:42:46 AM

Quote from: tahsin on December 02, 2025, 12:46:25 AMAren't British bombers usually named after cities?

The Canberra and Washington were the last to adhere to that tradition IIRC. Then the V-Bombers came along.

tahsin · December 02, 2025, 05:04:46 AM

A lot of things are written according to guidelines. Even if 2020 might be a bit early for AI output. He has to have something wrong if it is not just a mistake and would probably find something else if the Indian Airforce operated the "Toronto"... Corner him into some tight place and hear him claim the P-38 was once Atlanta or maybe Atalanta.

Dizzyfugu · December 02, 2025, 06:15:02 AM

Quote from: PR19_Kit on December 01, 2025, 03:05:07 PMHow do they find that information though?

People ask AI and let it fabulate.

tahsin · December 02, 2025, 06:21:33 AM

Expensive computer systems claimed to have no backdoors. Everything in the world these days looks like platform aligned but l don't think many have the outdoor ranges where you can test the models computer-free. Expect horrendous spikes in frequencies you just forgot to test. To be discovered only in combat minutes before getting shotdown.

The Rat · December 02, 2025, 10:17:38 AM

Quote from: scooter on December 02, 2025, 04:37:08 AM
Quote from: tahsin on December 02, 2025, 12:46:25 AMWasn't Toronto once British?
It was called York back then, IIRC. Not to be confused with either the original or the new

'Muddy York,' because of the state of the roads. Then they paved them, and now it's 'pothole Toronto.' We usually get most of them repaired in time for winter to make more.