Whatif the Jaguar had been scrapped...

[Archibald]

The Tornado program is reminiscent of the AFVG, which was a join program between France and Great Britain. In fact it was the "upper" part of the Jaguar contract, which at the time was only a trainer. Both were launched on may 17th 1965, but the AFVG was killed by Dassault Mirage G  and G8, in June 1967.

so whatif Dassault had been less stupid, and managed to stay on the AFVG program? Can we imagine that the MRCA would have included France? I heard Canada, Belgium and Netherland were also partners in 1968, but dropped off in 1969. Four more partners means more problems, but well it also meab much more Tornado at the end!! Maybe something like 2000 instead of 1000.

Concerning the trainer, we all know that the 2-seat Jaguar ended in failure, so the British made the Hawk, and the French- with the Germans- the Alpha Jet.
Can we imagine merging the Alpha Jet and Hawk into a three-service trainer (the AlphaHawk, or something like that )
Plenty of models to do (Jaguar pure trainer, AlphaHawk,  French, Netherland, Belgium or Canadian tornado )

[Hobbes]

Too bad we hadn't worked this international cooperation thing worked out yet. NL/B/Ca flying AFVG would have been cool.  

[Hammer-nikit]

What about a single seat Tornado Maritime variant for the French Aeronavale and for the Royal Navy? should look very cool! Colapsible tail Tornado anyone?

Best Regards!

Hammer

[GTX]

The Italians were pushing for a single seat Tornado for a while - I might even have a picture somewhere here.

Regards,

Greg

[Zen]

1967 is the time when the UK began to cut its CV fleet with HMS Victorious.

AFVG going ahead might have drawn in other partners and customers.

If the Jaguar is sacrificed then its possible a cheaper single engined machine might replace it instead.

[Hammer-nikit]

single seat carrier fighter in French Service Can you notice the raised cockpit?

I'll make this drawing better later.. I hope you like it!

Regards,

Hammer

[GTX]

Look, it's a baby Tornado .

Regards,

Greg

[nev]

Single seat German Tornado?  Thorvics way ahead of you lot

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Is there some pictures or studies of a fixed wing or a lighter Tornado??

I'm very interrested because in the TSR.2 story I'm building with Zac, I thought about what could happend if UK cancelled its participation in the Tornado program...
First thought: to reduce the price and follow the needs of the remaining countries, all the planes will be single seat...
Second thought I had: and to reduce more the price, they could have a fixed high-tech wing instead of the VG...


Well, and of course, as a final thought I had: well... that sounds like a Jaguar, stupide boy!!

[Iranian F-14A]

That baby French Tornado looks in many ways like the AMX,or at least to me it does.

[Archibald]

Tornado as european join program would have influenced deeply the "deal of the century". 160 Tornado for Belgium, 140 for Netherlands, 80 for Canada, 50 for the Aeronavale (much better than a super Etendard!), 80 for the RN... this mean something like 400 more tornados, Ie 1400 planes!
Of course we can imagine that the AdA buy some to replace the Mirage IV

[Hammer-nikit]

When I shrunk the nose of the Tornado-M I also decided to reduce the width of the tail to balance it somewhat. And yes I also thought the shrunken Tornado does  resemble the final AMX design. Too bad it never happened!

Regards,

Hammer

P.S.:If I find time I also want to do a Royal Navy airframe.

[Archibald]

The problem is the AMX is subonic.
What do you think about a AMX with an afterburner Spey (or TF-41).
More, we can imagine a pure Brasilian AMX, supersonic with a chinese WS-9 turbofan (because the USA and GB embargoed Brazil)