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Title: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 08, 2019, 03:25:46 pm
As I've mentioned before I'm going to attempt an F-23 recon build. I have the required kit thanks to the Big Gimper so now I no longer have any excuses. I found an interesting article on the changes that would have been made to make an F-23 production aircraft.

 http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24911/this-is-what-a-northrop-f-23a-wouldve-looked-like-if-lockheed-lost-the-atf-competition

I'll make the changes I can without hacking up the whole kit. Inlet shape is very different but that will be easy. I was going to lengthen the fuselage anyway so that's no problem. Changes to the rear fuselage will be much more difficult and would require almost a total scratch build in that area so not likely. At least this makes inaccuracy problems with the kit irrelevant. Biggest problem right now is the paint scheme. All black like an SR-71 or shades of grey? What if I custom mix some grey with a touch of blue? What do you think?
Wish me luck!
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: scooter on February 08, 2019, 03:42:37 pm
Biggest problem right now is the paint scheme. All black like an SR-71 or shades of grey? What if I custom mix some grey with a touch of blue? What do you think?
Wish me luck!

Lozenge? :wacko:  What about a Euro One or SW Asian scheme?
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 08, 2019, 05:54:11 pm
I was going for high altitude work. Sort of an SR-71 replacement. The YF-23 had higher altitude, higher speed and better stealth than the F-22 so I thought that would make it a good candidate. So low altitude camo wasnít what I was thinking of. I guess I should have mentioned that. BTW Iím using the Italeri kit in 1/72.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 08, 2019, 08:58:04 pm
Here is the starting pic.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7887/46981158842_26acbd84ca_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ezyHJ3)

Actually there is some good detail on this kit. The landing gear and ejection seat look pretty good on the sprues. The fuselage looks good overall but the inlets and exhaust need work. The inlets will get changed drastically anyway. There is a weapons bay that's not too bad but it will probably get closed up. I'll be cutting through the middle of that so it will be lost anyway. Maybe tomorrow I will stop planning and start building.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: scooter on February 09, 2019, 12:44:32 am
I was going for high altitude work. Sort of an SR-71 replacement. The YF-23 had higher altitude, higher speed and better stealth than the F-22 so I thought that would make it a good candidate. So low altitude camo wasnít what I was thinking of. I guess I should have mentioned that. BTW Iím using the Italeri kit in 1/72.

Pale Blue then, like the Tacit Blue stealth demonstrator?
(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/823339_10151268192156814_563300303_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_eui2=AeHdZsD9_VGv4g1M84QsNbSXyyZjmaAS2lB5JHpQ6MMixld0z-NjniaLevFGjQJitw9Yu5cKEc1N4zoibBKTjszpFAt3BuH5qLbrcgcNC_Sm2g&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=f85a659a32252b592c8937df54938702&oe=5CFD45BC)
 
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 09, 2019, 03:43:25 am

Pale Blue then, like the Tacit Blue stealth demonstrator?


But a LOT prettier!
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: nighthunter on February 09, 2019, 05:57:20 am
Now you've inspired me to check out the Trumpeter 1/144 YF-23 to "correct" and make a joint Boeing-Northrop project
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: McColm on February 09, 2019, 10:42:40 pm
Maybe the experimental colour scheme applied to a Jaguar GR1 XC XZ103, light aircraft grey with the upper surfaces painted in desert pink when it took part in trials during 2002 at China Lake, California. From the book  'Cold War Jets, Royal Air  Force  Fighters and Bombers 1943-2007' by Chris Sandham-Bailey.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 10, 2019, 11:25:23 am

Pale Blue then, like the Tacit Blue stealth demonstrator?


That blue is very intriguing!

Now you've inspired me to check out the Trumpeter 1/144 YF-23 to "correct" and make a joint Boeing-Northrop project

There is word going around about how Northrop is working with the Japanese to build a stealth aircraft and speculation is it might resemble an F-23.

Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 19, 2019, 03:49:27 am
Nice to see a build of the YF-23! :thumbsup:
I built one of those and i can tell you that the landing gear is very fragile, the right main gear leg oon mine started to bend with the model's own weight and ended up breaking when i set it down after a dusting session.
That kit needs a lot of work to make a production version but i do have one in the stash that i bought with that in mind, just not sure if my skills are up for the task... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 19, 2019, 05:09:11 am
Nice to see a build of the YF-23! :thumbsup:
I built one of those and i can tell you that the landing gear is very fragile, the right main gear leg oon mine started to bend with the model's own weight and ended up breaking when i set it down after a dusting session.
That kit needs a lot of work to make a production version but i do have one in the stash that i bought with that in mind, just not sure if my skills are up for the task... :rolleyes:

According to the article I found the biggest problem with doing a production version as they describe it is the rear fuselage. The placement of the engines is quite different and would require a total rebuild.
Now if real life would get out of my way I might be able to do something with this bird!  :banghead:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 19, 2019, 06:02:11 am
For a real high altitude camouflage I'd suggest something dark/dull from below (e. g. a very dark blue, black or dark grey), since the atmosphere is thin and there's nothing left to reflect the light that comes from below, and probably something light from above - the uniform bluish grey from Tacit Blue (FS 36320 or 35450?) is IMHO a good option, or try a two-tone scheme like the U-2s that were based in UK and Germany (FS 36622 and 35190, IIRC)?
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 19, 2019, 07:36:25 am
Thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts on this. The idea of dark color on the bottom and light on top is a reversal I had not thought of. Iíll also check out the U-2 patterns. Otherwise it will be something dark all around. Iíll have to look into the color differences seen on stealth aircraft with a lighter color surrounding all the openings in the skin of the aircraft. Anyone know what that is about? It seems to be very distinct on some aircraft and barely noticeable on others.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 19, 2019, 07:45:52 am
I'd assume that it is the individual application of radar-absorbing paint or material in these areas, or donor parts from other aircraft.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 19, 2019, 07:54:56 am
Yeah, I was thinking something like that too. A different paint or material for increased radar absorbing properties. But thatís just a guess. (I have to say that to keep the black helicopters away......)
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 19, 2019, 08:39:05 am
I remember seeing on facebook, not long ago, someone was making the conversion on the Hobbyboss 1/48 kit but he hasn't posted any updates in a while. His last post was when he was going to try the engine nacelle mod... That kit could've been a beauty but hobbyboss had to make the same mistake every other manufacturer made on theit Yf-23 kits, the intakes are completely wrong. :banghead:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 19, 2019, 04:47:24 pm
What is it with kit makers copying the same mistake the first ones made? The prototypes still exist and are not hard to find. There's pretty good pics on Prime Portal website for Pete's sake! Just laziness I suppose. (rant over)

Looks like a day off work because of weather tomorrow so maybe I'll get something done.


I built one of those and i can tell you that the landing gear is very fragile, the right main gear leg on mine started to bend with the model's own weight and ended up breaking when i set it down after a dusting session.


Thanks for the warning about the landing gear. I looked it over and the strut appears sturdy but the part that actually attaches to the wheel looks suspect. Perhaps a strategically placed piece of stiff wire will help.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: CammNut on February 19, 2019, 04:53:35 pm
It is radar-absorbing treatment around gaps and edges. The F-35 uses a different technique to the B-2 and F-22, one that is intended to be more durable and easier to maintain, not requiring gaps to be reputtied or retaped after doors have been opened and panels removed. But the result is the crazy pattern of strips of a different grey. Makes it look unfinished. Hard to model too, without using appropriate decals
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: scooter on February 20, 2019, 03:00:26 am
What is it with kit makers copying the same mistake the first ones made? The prototypes still exist and are not hard to find. There's pretty good pics on Prime Portal website for Pete's sake! Just laziness I suppose. (rant over)

Airfix (or someone else) ought to talk to the Air Force about LIDARing it.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 20, 2019, 07:02:42 pm
I managed to get in some good modeling time today. I've been working on the engine exhausts first. I'm sticking with the prototype exhausts but improving the kit parts. Its goofy how some parts on this kit look really nice with great detail such as the seat and wheels while the exhaust fits terribly. Here's the pics.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7884/47162016401_8d10986138_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eRxEnP)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7893/46438628074_4c3852cb32_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dKC7eh)

These are the areas I had to close up to avoid gaping holes looking into the fuselage.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7875/40197188013_6338bbc209_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24f66xK)

I cut the fuselage just ahead of the wing. No turning back now!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7875/40197188013_6338bbc209_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24f66xK)

This would be a one inch extension.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7852/33286831868_fe173bac93_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SHrHqh)

Here is a one and half inch extension. Go big or go home they say so its the one and half inch version.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7886/47109945302_9598d0d63e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eLWMsf)

The weapons bay makes a handy place to frame up the extension. A heavy piece of plastic that won't bend cut the same width as the bay allows me to line up the front and aft sections. The weapons bay will be closed in the final product anyway.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7868/33286818438_d2a5a0aa13_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SHrDqJ)

Boxing it in makes it more rigid and gives something for a new skin to attach to. I'll glue the sections together later. Its easier to work on different areas this way. More pics to follow.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 20, 2019, 09:42:55 pm
Here's the latest pic of the exhaust.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7879/47111135632_14a64a17e2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eM3Tib)

There is two pieces to the upper part of the exhaust outlet. In the kit they are molded as part of the fuselage. The bottom piece should be separate and is movable on the real thing. So I cut away the molded on part and carved replacements. Looks much better to me. It's amazing how "loose" these parts of the exhaust are on the real aircraft. Maybe to allow for expansion when things get hot. Plus I'm sure they don't want parts with stealth coatings rubbing and scratching each other. The exhaust outlet appears to be covered with heat resistant tiles. I need some graph paper type decals to accurately replicate that.
I've started on the inlets. Shouldn't be too much trouble if I can find some 3/4 inch tubing I can cut in half. I have some PVC pipe the right size but the walls are very thick. Plus gluing could be a problem. Maybe I'll just wrap some sheet plastic around it and soften it with a hair dryer. Probably a half day at work tomorrow so maybe I'll get some more done on it.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 21, 2019, 03:32:20 am
I like the 1 1/2 inch extension, looks more like the production model. It was supposed to have a sidewinder bay aft of the nose gear bay so it was quite a bit longer. Nice work on the exhausts, i didn't have that issue cause i did mine with 2d TVC nozzles ala Raptor.  :mellow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 21, 2019, 03:51:07 am
The 2D nozzles would be cool. I donít know why they didnít go that route.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 21, 2019, 06:24:53 am
IIRC, in the ATF contest documentaty, one of Northrop's guys says it was a decision between stealth and manouverabilty. They chose the stealthier option which was to conceal the IR signature a bit more with their design.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 21, 2019, 10:05:15 am
Thatís why I choose the YF-23 for this idea. Northrop made a choice that might have cost them the contract but still created an awesome aircraft. My story is the design was resurrected to fill the hole left by retiring the SR-71. Extra speed and stealth would be more important for such a recon bird.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 21, 2019, 12:00:07 pm

.............. while the exhaust fits terribly.


Exactly the same as their B-2 kit.

The exhausts seem to have been designed by a committee that never actually met!  :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 25, 2019, 10:46:45 pm
I said the inlets would be easy....I lied.  :banghead:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on February 28, 2019, 04:33:27 pm
Some progress at last! Once I found a piece of plastic to cut the new inlets out of things got easier. I rummaged around in the two drawers of found objects I have until I came across this cap for some old spray bottle. Tough part was judging the shape of the teeth on the edge of the inlet. Once I made one I had to make another mirror image of the first. The plastic was brittle so I had to be careful. Lots of file work.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7850/47190282732_544ab8fb3c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eU3wYm)

Then I cut out the old inlets.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7817/47190277952_9e451cf92a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eU3vxW)

And boxed in the new openings.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7820/32300179357_0f99d895cd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RdfS16)

Hopefully I can glue them in place and start the putty work tonight.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Captain Canada on February 28, 2019, 05:46:49 pm
Great work so far ! Such a neat looking aeroplane can't wait to see more.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on March 01, 2019, 06:01:42 am
Impressive fretwork
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on March 01, 2019, 10:29:17 am
I don't know if you wanted to make the intakes like the EMD F-23's would've been cause those are a bit different from what i saw in drawings.
When i get to it, i'm gonna be guiding my build by these:

https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/0/7/3/1/2/a5110130-174-F-23A%20EMD%20dwg%201023.gif
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 01, 2019, 10:44:01 am
That drawing is gorgeous! All I had was the art work from that article. The angles the aircraft was postitioned in made it hard to see the intake shape. This drawing really helps. Iíll see if I want to redo what I have. I already see I need to change what I was going to use for the shock cone. Easy enough right now.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on March 01, 2019, 04:50:18 pm
Glad to be of assistance! If you want, just google EMD F-23 and a few other images come up with these plans.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 01, 2019, 10:03:25 pm
Some more progress! Let the PSR begin in full force!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7835/47253613691_d5020c51bc_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2eZD84r)
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on March 02, 2019, 02:26:21 am
Looking good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: scooter on March 02, 2019, 03:22:27 am
Drop tanks for cones?
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 02, 2019, 07:44:35 am
Oh yes. Some old parts from an F-16 from way back when. Good thing plastic doesn't rot away or these would have been long gone.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: jalles on March 03, 2019, 02:11:06 pm
This is looking excellent, I can't wait to see how the fuselage stretch turns out.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 03, 2019, 08:21:24 pm
I sanded down the Bondo Putty and added a layer of Perfect Plastic Putty to fill minor imperfections. Not much to show for now, just lots of dust. For the fuselage section I'm going to try covering as much as possible with sheet plastic to cut down on PSR. I'm considering cutting out the flaps, ailerons and slats and re-positioning them. I've found some pics of YF-23s on the ground with these surfaces dropped.
Thanks for the encouraging comments!
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 08, 2019, 05:28:22 pm
More cutting and more PSR!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7916/46407890915_84137bb6be_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dGUz9g)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7860/47322899531_6e30c70ac3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2f6LejT)

Glued the two halves together and cut out the control surfaces. The joint between the surfaces and the wing looks really tight in pics I've seen. No hinges or spaces to be seen. Makes sense in a stealth aircraft. It will make my job easier cleaning it up and gluing them back on.

A little putty where I cut too far.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7870/46599776124_3e28ab87d9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dZS2VW)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7860/32380986147_c2abed8c63_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Rkp23B)

Exhaust is painted a metallic black for now. I'm going to try making some decals to make the surfaces look like this.....

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7904/33447018978_da0d55a07f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SXAHt1)yf-23_13_of_51 (https://flic.kr/p/SXAHt1)

Also on the decal sheet will be different color shapes to represent different antenna etc.

Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 08, 2019, 09:44:33 pm
A little more progress.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7904/40359396533_15eb4eb736_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24uqsun)

Planking the gap.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7891/40359391473_4b07d6b771_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24uqqZ8)

Back to looking like an aircraft again!
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on March 09, 2019, 02:33:49 am
Impressive amount of work going on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 09, 2019, 07:58:30 am
I have to work on closing up the underside today. That's mostly flat so less planking.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: zenrat on March 09, 2019, 06:20:52 pm
...(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7904/33447018978_da0d55a07f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SXAHt1)yf-23_13_of_51 (https://flic.kr/p/SXAHt1)...

I presume those are thermal tiles similar to what were on the shuttle.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Captain Canada on March 09, 2019, 06:55:28 pm
Looking good so far, and you're sure putting a lot of work into her eh ? Great what-if article as well. Love the comparison sizewise with the original p-61
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 09, 2019, 07:58:18 pm
Not sure if the tiles are related to the ones on the shuttle but they could be. I'm thinking of changing the story to it being a CIA asset. I read an article on the SR-71 that made the point that if the SR-71 was CIA funded it would have flown for a much longer time. So this will be the replacement but under CIA control. I'll have to look over my decal options again.

Got the underside planked.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7880/47281022262_20ffb5051b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2f34AF1)

More putty today.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7914/47333585031_9bc5b25d90_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2f7GZKD)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7828/40368344923_77bdda080e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24vdjwX)

Putty palozza! I'm giving it lots of time to dry before sanding. Working on the control surfaces in the mean time.

Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: TheChronicOne on March 09, 2019, 08:19:51 pm
Loooong......  I love it!  :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 09, 2019, 10:37:19 pm
If I had thought of it earlier I might have moved the nose gear aft a little. No matter now.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: salt6 on March 10, 2019, 07:51:54 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: jalles on March 10, 2019, 09:21:31 am
That's looking great! I'm looking forward to seeing an overall shot now that the extension is filled in  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Old Wombat on March 11, 2019, 08:04:02 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 13, 2019, 09:32:09 pm
That's looking great! I'm looking forward to seeing an overall shot now that the extension is filled in  :thumbsup:

Here ya go!

Part 1 of putty palooza has been sanded down. Part 2 has been applied. I've been using plain old nail files/ermory boards to shape the putty and plastic. Course to cut through all the material and with a flat backing to make sure I don't cut away the putty and leave plastic high spots. I clean it up with 400 grit and will go over the whole thing with 600 before I paint. I have to watch out in areas where I applied a lot of glue as it seems to be affecting the putty. I've noticed a couple of cracks in the putty even after it was dried and sanded down. There could be traces of vapor finding its way out yet.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7801/47374364491_52104ac151_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fbj14M)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7896/46651113924_4fb8a6ea4a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2e5p9Sq)

I had to add some plastic to build out the chines. I should have done that in the first place but oh well.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7927/32432606667_3f3c30e759_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RpXA2z)

I've test fitted the stabilizers and the fit is terrible. Very little effort was made to provide a strong anchor for the pieces. I'll have to do a lot of sanding and fitting to get a tight fit as the butt joint will be the only thing holding them. I see these breaking off repeatedly in the future. Plus trying to get the angle right. Might be time to build a lego jig.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on March 14, 2019, 06:45:56 am
I have to watch out in areas where I applied a lot of glue as it seems to be affecting the putty. I've noticed a couple of cracks in the putty even after it was dried and sanded down. There could be traces of vapor finding its way out yet.


It could be but if there is a lot of putty then sometimes the surface dries before the underlaying layer, that then shrinks as it drys and the surface layer then contracts and cracks in places.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 14, 2019, 06:10:55 pm
Some of the solvent had separated in the tube so maybe this part of the tube is solvent heavy.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on March 15, 2019, 07:23:26 am
Some of the solvent had separated in the tube so maybe this part of the tube is solvent heavy.

Ah yes, I had a similar experience with some Revell putty, although it just seemed to melt the plastic around the area I was applying p.s.r. to.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on March 15, 2019, 02:45:32 pm
Round two of putty palooza has been sanded down. I'm waiting to apply round three to allow more solvent to escape. Plus RW stuff to attend to anyway. The chines are giving me trouble but I'll get them in shape soon.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on April 03, 2019, 05:01:50 pm
I got back from vacation in Bahamas and Disney World. Had to go and give a bunch of my money to the mouse! Actually my wife and best friend conspired to force me to celebrate my 60th birthday. Magnificent time but still recovering from the sunburn.
So I finally sanded down the last layer of putty. Came out pretty good so I brushed on some paint as primer. A couple of spots showed up but nothing I can't deal with. Not much to take pics of right now but it looks like I better figure out a paint scheme real quick.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on April 04, 2019, 06:17:13 am
Well happy belated 60th you young whipper snapper  ;D :thumbsup: Glad you had a good time.

but it looks like I better figure out a paint scheme real quick.

How about an overall very light blue (rather like WWII synthetic haze blue ?) or maybe something darker along the lines of RAF WWII PR Blue ?
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: scooter on April 04, 2019, 06:55:14 am
but it looks like I better figure out a paint scheme real quick.

How about an overall very light blue (rather like WWII synthetic haze blue ?) or maybe something darker along the lines of RAF WWII PR Blue ?

Pale blue, like the Tacit Blue stealth demonstrator (mentioned on p1) or how about ADC Gray (FS 16473/36473)?
(https://modelingmadness.com/scott/decals/ds0148pica.jpg)
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on April 04, 2019, 08:57:53 am
Thanks to all for the suggestions! Iím thinking of the dark underside and light topside as suggested earlier. That would look offbeat enough to suit me. Probably not black but a dark gray and light blue gray top. Kit decals just might prove handy for this.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on April 05, 2019, 06:04:45 am
Thanks to all for the suggestions! Iím thinking of the dark underside and light topside as suggested earlier.

That would work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on April 18, 2019, 09:48:49 pm
I hand painted on some grey as a primer and puttied a couple of small spots. Real life is pretty busy these days so progress has been slow. Now that the weather is warming up I might be able to bring out the airbrush in the garage and do some decent painting.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on April 19, 2019, 05:49:21 am
Glad there's still a little progress being made  :thumbsup: Real life comes first however so we will see her, as and when  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on April 19, 2019, 09:03:32 am
Its still under construction but between the run up to Easter and my son getting married soon things are piling up. I have to steal a few minutes when I can no matter what the project.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Captain Canada on April 19, 2019, 10:15:09 am
Very nice. Lots of work going into this one eh !
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on April 19, 2019, 05:43:08 pm
I still want to build the sensor port under the lengthened part of the fuselage. I'm going to take a hint from the F-35 EOTS port under the nose.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on April 27, 2019, 09:35:59 pm
The last stage of PSR is complete!!!  :thumbsup:
I attached the control surfaces back to their original places but in a lowered position. The white plastic is material I added to bring them into a shape that fit properly in a lowered position.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47718959361_e9b1de68e1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fGL97D)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32775754117_8d604160a7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/RWhiNV)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47718951411_c7fbcda4d2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fGL6Kz)

Now I have to build the sensor windows like the F-35 EOTS, just bigger.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Captain Canada on April 28, 2019, 02:50:50 pm
Looks so good
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on April 28, 2019, 06:44:08 pm
I have to try and fit the vertical(?) stabs. Fit is as bad as other parts of this kit.  :banghead:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on May 06, 2019, 11:15:22 am
I've been working on the sensor windows lately. Started with some large plastic sequins.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/32844162827_24135401b2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/S3jVkr)

I glued several layers of plastic together and cut some angled surfaces. I CA glued sequins to the surfaces and trimmed to fit. I had to replace the sequin parts a couple of time until I got it right.  :banghead:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47735408372_b2e9ce3bf4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2fJdrQh)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33910647888_224f44da45_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TEyWbU)

I think it sits too high right now. I'll try to sand it down so it's less high than wide. It's just sitting in place right now until painting is done. At least I got the surfaces presentable as I ran out of usable CA glue. I know its bigger than the F-35 EOTS but I'm saying this is an earlier version that's a little more bulky.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: NARSES2 on May 07, 2019, 06:33:33 am
Imaginative use of those sequins. Impressive  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 07, 2019, 12:00:12 pm
An awesome looking pod there, and very stealthy too I bet.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RF-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on May 08, 2019, 10:01:32 pm
I built a new version of the EOTS sensor windows. Looks much better to me. A lot sleeker yet still bigger than the F-35. Since this would be an earlier version I'm ok with that.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/33931637678_3e0755d0c4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/TGqvHQ)

New version compared to the old version.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/46892214495_5f2d34eb3f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2erGREP)

Now I have to fit the tail fins.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Caveman on May 09, 2019, 12:24:08 am
Maybe itís bigger because it has more than one sensor behind the glass? Being a dedicated Recce bird
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 09, 2019, 08:43:53 am
Good deal!! Pretty nifty technique there. I'll have to remember that for future pilfering.
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: kerick on May 09, 2019, 09:15:38 am
Maybe itís bigger because it has more than one sensor behind the glass? Being a dedicated Recce bird

Actually the F-35 has several sensors built into the EOTS. Beauty of it is how itís all tied together into one system. Combined with the helmet system and cameras mounted outside the pilot can see in a total sphere around the aircraft, even look straight down through the floor of the cockpit. And not just in visual spectrum but IR too.

Iím going with itís an F-35 concept but earlier version with bulkier gear plus maybe some other spooky stuff requiring a bigger window. Works for whiff world!
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: Captain Canada on May 09, 2019, 04:43:09 pm
Stealthy lumps and bumps ? Nice !
Title: Re: F-23A photo recon version
Post by: DogfighterZen on May 13, 2019, 08:16:31 am
Excellent use of materials, that early EOTS looks great!  :bow: :bow: