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Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: simmie on September 19, 2005, 05:13:43 am
this is probably some huge sin against humanity etc

but how about using the tsr2 decal sheets to do the f111k???
 
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: Spellbinder99 on September 19, 2005, 09:10:17 am
You wouldn't be the first to suggest that.....then again, the guy that did is apparently now in the Witness Protection Program..... :P

Do what you bloody like, that is what WiF is all about... :D

Cheers

Tony
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: retro_seventies on September 19, 2005, 04:57:11 pm
it's a good thing that wooks is taking a sabbatical.... :ph34r:  
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: Julhelm on September 20, 2005, 05:34:06 am
Speaking of which, where is Lee? Ain't seen him around in a while.
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: Geoff_B on September 20, 2005, 02:52:37 pm
No problem with the Vengeance GR1 (F-111K) as long as they are done correctly. An F-111A with a retractable nose Refuelling Probe :D  
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on September 20, 2005, 07:51:21 pm
Not as ridiculous as the REAL TSR.2 being cancelled and replaced with the (intended) F-111K...
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: TsrJoe on September 21, 2005, 05:20:16 am
The cancellation of the TSR.2 was a foregone conclusion a year or two earlier!, it was just that the previous Conservative goverment didnt have the bottle to do so and waited till the subsequent Labour mob to finally pull the plug (with the resultant redundancies and bad press!) there was also alleged pressure upon Wilson et al from the USA. re balance of payments etc. which also hastened the projects end, along with a number of other promising UK. high technology programmes!

The aircraft (as admittedly most are!) were massively over their stated budget (this is what finally killed it!), technology had moved on with regard systems etc. serious engine problems re reliability and build standard (useful experience for the ones laster redesigned for Concorde tho!), maintenence problems, aerodynamic, structural and material defects, cockpit ergonomics, etc. to name just a few!

having said all that, look what happened to Australia's order for the F.111C, and the problems GD. had with the wing box mechanism and TFR. systems, which when eventually ironed out at great cost and timeframe, resulted in a good aircraft, which possibly the TSR.2 likewise may have become?

alas (thankfully? in case it didnt work out!) well never know ...

 :ph34r:  
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: XV107 on September 28, 2005, 01:36:05 pm
First post, so forgive me if I've missed this while skimming through the whole forum for the last hour or so...

The F-111 was, in fact,  given a name by the RAF: they were going to call it 'Merlin', suggested since the bird of that name swings its wings back while attacking.

There is long (and extensive) correspondence in the Public Record Office on the subject: the Australians were asked to join in the 'find a name game', but came up with 27 Aborignal names. The RAF came up with the Harrogate (I jest not...), the Richmond (rejected by the Australians for fear of appearing to favour an Aussie Rules football team - aking to calling the aircraft the Manchester United, I suppose) and an array of other dull names before an Air Marshal got a grip and told his staff something a little more exciting was needed. They then came up with a list of birds of prey, from which Merlin was selected.

Although it was planned that the Secretary of State for Defence would announce the name in parliament at some point in 1967 (IIRC), the name never made it into the public domain. A civil servant pointed out that announcing the name before the contract was signed or before the first flight of the aircraft was against precedent, and as there were growing doubts that the F-111K contract would be completed or that the F-111K would have a first flight, it would be terribly embarrassing to break with this convention. About three weeks after that minute was sent, the F-111K was cancelled.

Sorry to ramble on; just thought it might be of interest to...er... well, someone, perhaps?

 
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: retro_seventies on September 28, 2005, 05:45:10 pm
merlin...

the merlin is such a svelte, lithe little bird...and the f-111 is...well....a honking great fat cow of a plane.  ^_^

nice name though, and thanks for the info - welcome to the site too, btw, you'll fiy just fine around here, i can tell!  :cheers:  
Title: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: NARSES2 on September 28, 2005, 10:59:32 pm
As Joe says wellcome and I love the titbit about calling it the Harrogate  :P but makes me wonder if when first named Manchester, Lancaster and Lincoln sounded odd ? Is it the passing of time or innocence that that makes some names sound odd and some right ?

Chris
Title: Re: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: rickshaw on October 13, 2018, 11:46:58 pm
A piece of thread necromancy.

The F-111K - was it going to have longer wings than the standard F-111A - like the F-111C did?
Title: Re: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 14, 2018, 01:13:09 am
This question comes up frequently in different places, and despite numerous statements that it was the case, the answer is no.

It doesn't help that NUMEROUS 'drawings' actually show the K to have the longer wings too!

This pic, taken just after work had been abandoned on the first two F-111Ks, shows that the wings were the 'standard length'.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/7224/e3M7wY.jpg)

Ignore the port wing, which does look as if it's extended, there's a bench against the wall that confuses the issue. Instead look at the starboard wing, which is much more obviously shorter.
Title: Re: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: rickshaw on October 14, 2018, 02:00:55 am
OK, thanks, Kit. That clears up something I'm thinking about.
Title: Re: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: Gondor on October 14, 2018, 01:57:58 pm
The wing length issue is also confused a little by the fact there was to be a ferry wing tip IIRC, but then I could be wrong. I really must get on with my F-111K  :banghead:

Gondor
Title: Re: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: Devilfish on January 25, 2019, 04:14:22 am
I used 7 sqn markings on mine, as that was supposedly the first sqn that was to get them.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4257/34919887474_156eb3c5c0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VcKxXq)104_3146_zps8e04a3e1 (https://flic.kr/p/VcKxXq) by Paul Carter (https://www.flickr.com/photos/150768292@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: General Dynamics F-111K Vengence GR1
Post by: Captain Canada on December 10, 2019, 08:56:33 am
Looks right at home in those colours and markings !