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GROUP BUILDS => The Captured G.B. => Topic started by: NARSES2 on October 12, 2020, 06:35:09 am

Title: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on October 12, 2020, 06:35:09 am
Right here are the draft rules

1. Group Build runs from 00.01 Sunday 1st November 2020 to 24:00 Sunday  31st January 2021.

2. Your subject must be a captured example of whatever you are portraying, and this will clearly be most obvious from a change in markings. The only way your subject could remain in its original markings would be if you presented it in a small diorama with it surrounded by inquisitive captors. Whilst captured implies an armed conflict it might well be possible for you to work a scenario around a trade war, or another type of "Commercial Conflict" and if so then you are more than welcome to join in.

So conflict can be between countries or armed fractions, in any age and time (past and future).

Your subject can be of planes, boats, vehicles, etc in use or in prototype stage by one party in the conflict, and then captured and examined or used operational by the other side or sold on for third party use.

You can also portray a model of your subject after it’s been modified by its captors.

3)  You may build, draw or write as many entries as you like (good luck!).  The posting of in-progress pictures is encouraged as always.  Back stories - however long or short - win extra points.  Well OK they don't but they're always nice to see.

4)  "Preparation" work is allowed prior to the start of the GB - this includes the cutting out and cleaning up of parts, even printing your own decals, but anything involving paint or glue is not allowed.

5)  Part-started models will be considered by the moderators. You should explain what you have done or post pics (even better) and they will decide, their decision being final - we are relying on the honour of our membership to uphold this rule.

6)  No rule 6 - is there ever a rule 6 ? It’s one rule or another so from now on it’s 6
 
7)  Moderators – TomZ and Hobbes so dank je gents.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: sandiego89 on October 12, 2020, 07:06:22 am
Thanks for setting this up, and pre-thanks to the moderators.

Rules look good to me. I do like the captured theme over a routine alternate markings entry- makes you think a bit more for a suitable story.   

-Dave
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: chrisonord on October 12, 2020, 07:54:28 am
I might just have something that I can  build for  this that will  also  fit in with my current  build  theme.  Are defected aircraft  allowed  , or just  something that has been taken  under force
Chris
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Hobbes on October 12, 2020, 08:39:00 am
Defected aircraft are allowed, as long as it's visible somehow that the aircraft has defected.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: tigercat on October 12, 2020, 09:59:19 am
the Germans had a specific camouflage for captured aircraft .I believe they had s yellow underside
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: chrisonord on October 12, 2020, 11:53:29 am
Marvellous, I was thinking of  a defected  Soviet era aircraft and putting it in an RAF scheme and  markings.  Would that work?
Chris
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on October 12, 2020, 11:58:41 am
Absolutely, go for it!

TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: kerick on October 12, 2020, 08:55:52 pm
In some states in the US police were allowed to use “captured” vehicles of drug dealers and such. This lead to some very expensive cars cruising the highway in police markings. Might this work?
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on October 12, 2020, 09:46:55 pm
In some states in the US police were allowed to use “captured” vehicles of drug dealers and such. This lead to some very expensive cars cruising the highway in police markings. Might this work?

I LOVE this idea.  I remember back in the 80s stories of small US police departments operating impounded super cars, mostly as a publicity thing.  I hope this falls into the scope of this GB. 
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Hobbes on October 12, 2020, 10:40:19 pm
Yes, impounded vehicles are allowed.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 13, 2020, 12:12:22 am
In some states in the US police were allowed to use “captured” vehicles of drug dealers and such. This lead to some very expensive cars cruising the highway in police markings. Might this work?

IIRC, the Mexican Police used or even still uses a "captured" Boeing 727 which was originally used in drug trafficking and confiscated...!

(https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/3/42596_1316243156.jpg)

Think BIG!  ;)
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: zenrat on October 13, 2020, 03:16:24 am
What about subjects that were actually captured IRL.  I presume we can build them if we use a different paint job?

Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on October 13, 2020, 03:19:28 am
What about subjects that were actually captured IRL.  I presume we can build them if we use a different paint job?

Yes that is no problem, but no real world examples. This is a whif forum after all  ;D

Leaves the question on who can prove that it didn't exist in that scheme IRL..........


TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: McColm on October 13, 2020, 09:45:54 pm
If you take Cyprus as an example,  in the natural zone there are Avro Shackletons captured either by the Greeks or the Cypriots. Can this be included?
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Hobbes on October 13, 2020, 10:28:12 pm
See Tom's answer: you can use the general sceneario, but no real-world examples.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 13, 2020, 11:34:58 pm
Does the submission item have to be forcibly taken over/captured? How about cases like the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when lots of equipment ended up in foreign (and not always "friendly" teritory)?
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Hobbes on October 14, 2020, 01:23:43 am
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Does the submission item have to be forcibly taken over/captured?

Yes. The Soviet dissolution is an edge case: there were negotiations about the equipment. This was more like selling secondhand equipment than a forcible takeover.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 14, 2020, 01:48:50 am
Thank you for clarification!
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 08, 2020, 03:35:21 am
The time has come to open the "Finished Builds" section, please  :lol:.

And I wonder why the "General Discussion" thread has been closed?
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on November 08, 2020, 03:49:25 am
Both unlocked.

Not sure why the discussion one was locked.

It figures that Dizzy is the first one to want to post a finished build  ;) ;)

TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 08, 2020, 03:52:31 am
As usual...  ;D Thank you very much!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2020, 06:08:06 am

It figures that Dizzy is the first one to want to post a finished build  ;) ;)


So what else is new?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on November 08, 2020, 07:38:34 am
Ooops apologies on both accounts

I should have opened the Finished Builds and the closing of the General Discussion thread may well have been down to my misbehaving mouse  :angry:
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: The Rat on November 23, 2020, 05:34:56 pm
STOP THE PRESS!

What about interned aircraft? As an example, Portugal operated a Sunderland that was interned after alighting there, fuel exhausted after fighting its way through a fierce storm.

I have a cunning plan... Or two...
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on November 24, 2020, 01:07:10 am
I would say that interned aircraft classify as captured

TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 24, 2020, 02:21:51 am
That might work well for Sweden and Switzerland, too, several aircraft landed there in WWII and occasionally pressed into service.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Mossie on November 24, 2020, 05:32:56 am
Ireland too.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: loupgarou on November 24, 2020, 05:37:16 am
That might work well for Sweden and Switzerland, too, several aircraft landed there in WWII and occasionally pressed into service.

Sweden used one or more interned B-17 as airliner(s) at the end of the war. A "civilian" capture is contemplated in the GB?  ;D
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: The Rat on November 24, 2020, 05:53:52 pm
I would say that interned aircraft classify as captured

TomZ

Since you're one of the moderators I will take that as a YES!
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on December 11, 2020, 06:43:12 am
I would say that interned aircraft classify as captured

TomZ

That may well help me  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: wacek85 on December 25, 2020, 05:49:39 am
Hello. I'd like to participate in GB. How about aircraft which were f.ex. left on airfield after somepeace-time exercises and forgotten? When another country put them into service then it can be qualified as a capturing? 😄
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on December 25, 2020, 06:19:29 am
I would say that qualifies as captured.
I'm curious to see what you come up with......

TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: wacek85 on December 25, 2020, 07:28:23 am
I would say that qualifies as captured.
I'm curious to see what you come up with......

TomZ

Australian F-111 left on polish airfield after Eastern Surprise 1997 excercises. Repainted and put into service with Su-22.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on December 25, 2020, 08:38:57 am
Australian F-111 left on polish airfield after Eastern Surprise 1997 exercises. Repainted and put into service with Su-22.

I had a quick check with Hobbes and although the "conflict" part is a bit lacking here we've decided to allow this scenario.
So build away!

TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: wacek85 on December 25, 2020, 09:02:01 am
Australian F-111 left on polish airfield after Eastern Surprise 1997 exercises. Repainted and put into service with Su-22.

I had a quick check with Hobbes and although the "conflict" part is a bit lacking here we've decided to allow this scenario.
So build away!

TomZ

Thanks, I'll start as soon as I get back home.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: zenrat on December 25, 2020, 05:36:56 pm
I can just imagine the scene when they got back home after the exercise.

"COUNT THEM AGAIN CORPORAL, THE RAAF DOES NOT MISPLACE AIRCRAFT."
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 04, 2021, 05:31:46 am
I know it's ever so late but.......

Please Mr. Mods may I have permission to do this D.520 as a backup to my SM-77?

I had started it last August, but I only glued 4 parts together, the upper and lower wings and the pilot's seat. All the rest is still loose in the box and I've not painted any of it yet.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/4546/kfsArl.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5153/WiTPUo.jpg)
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on January 04, 2021, 07:14:31 am
Well Kit........
We did not yet receive any liquid or monetary motivation to expedite this request, so......

Seriously, I think the amount of construction is so minimal that we will have no problem allowing this.
Go for it!

TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 04, 2021, 07:18:31 am
Yehah! Thank you Tom.  :thumbsup:

As for the monetary motivation, I still have a few Guilders left from my time in the Netherlands....  ;)
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on January 17, 2021, 08:29:03 am
Ladies and gentlemen / boys and girls,

I would like to point out that we only have two weeks left in this group build. Please make sure you put in your entries before the deadline.
We (the moderators) have not received any requests for extensions yet........

TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 17, 2021, 08:39:28 am
Oh hell, there's NO way I'll finish the SM77 by then, but I might mange the D.520.

Please, please PLEASE may we have extension?  ;D

A couple of months would be good, but even a lesser amount would be helpful.
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: Leading Observer on January 17, 2021, 10:17:34 am
Oh hell, there's NO way I'll finish the SM77 by then, but I might mange the D.520.

Please, please PLEASE may we have extension?  ;D

A couple of months would be good, but even a lesser amount would be helpful.

Seconded :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: sandiego89 on January 17, 2021, 11:32:01 am
.......

Please Mr. Mods may I have permission to do this D.520 as a backup to my SM-77?

I had started it last August, but I only glued 4 parts together, the upper and lower wings and the pilot's seat. All the rest is still loose in the box and I've not painted any of it yet.


By sheer parts count that is about 20% built!  Ha! get going Kit!!
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 17, 2021, 12:32:52 pm
.......

Please Mr. Mods may I have permission to do this D.520 as a backup to my SM-77?

I had started it last August, but I only glued 4 parts together, the upper and lower wings and the pilot's seat. All the rest is still loose in the box and I've not painted any of it yet.


By sheer parts count that is about 20% built!  Ha! get going Kit!!


The D.520's all assembled now, and in the middle of the PSR stage, so it's got a good chance of finishing inside the original end date, but the SM-77 is so ruddy complicated there's a fair amount to do, and I haven't got a drop of paint on  it yet!  :o
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: TomZ on January 18, 2021, 12:37:01 am
All,

After a long and serious debate among the moderators it was decided that we will grant a two week extension to everyone for this Group Build.

This Group Build now runs to 24:00 Sunday 14th February 2021 in everyone's local time.

Hobbes
TomZ
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 18, 2021, 01:30:15 am
YEEEEEEHAH!

Thanks so much, you're both gentlemen.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Captured G.B. - The Rules
Post by: wacek85 on January 18, 2021, 06:29:04 am
Thank you very much! I have a chance to finish F-111 !