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General Modelling Forum => Upcoming events => Topic started by: Nick on July 20, 2020, 09:38:23 am

Title: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Nick on July 20, 2020, 09:38:23 am
Just an idea I had late last night after a large rum and coke...

Is there any interest in the members of this SIG meeting up in person later this year?
It wouldn't be until September or October, maybe November if SMW gets cancelled.

We could hire a meeting room somewhere like Midlands Air Museum at Coventry, sit apart from each other and have a distanced gossip but face to face.
That or a pub in London?
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 20, 2020, 10:09:30 am
I like that idea, we'll have LOADS of new models to show as well.  ;D

I'd only manage the Coventry venue though, I really don't like London these days. :(

I'm due to give an APT lecture in S Wales in October and they reckon they'll be OK for me to do it then as they only have maybe 25 members likely to come.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on July 20, 2020, 10:38:14 am
Sounds a good idea, Nick.

Pub in London would be a good idea - drinkies (if all used public transport) but that would probably kibosh models.

Coventry would mean models to show off, most would probably be driving (I can offer lifts if needed) so booze would be out (I guess).

Weekday or weekend?
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Martin H on July 20, 2020, 01:08:56 pm
Nice idea.
The Midland Air Museum has become our defacto real world base of operations over the years.

But they have had to put in some fairly tight restrictions on numbers thanks to covid.
At the moment they have had to limit their newish education centre to a bakers dozen inside at any one time.
All to keep the health Gestapo & local council off their backs.

If Telford does go the way of the Dodo this year then certainly an option to consider. Also depending on the local situation at that time.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Nick on July 20, 2020, 02:56:16 pm
Drinking or driving?
Well, if this becomes the only model meet I get to this end of the year then I might find a hotel in Coventry and go out for the evening.

As you say Martin it's all about the local situation. We have to consider how many can get into whatever meeting room we find. And the risk of local lockdowns as seen in Leicester and Blackburn.

I probably won't look too hard at this until September. If anyone has an idea where we could meet put it out there. Doncaster, Coventry, we could even go to Telford and blag cheap rooms in November if SMW gets cancelled!  ;D
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on July 20, 2020, 03:28:34 pm
Coventry sounds good to me.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Weaver on July 21, 2020, 04:37:06 am
Sorry to say, I'll probably have to skip it.  :banghead:

My company's talking about running a 4-day week for the next year at least in order to reduce compulsory redundancies to the minimum. I can live with it, but only if I radically reduce my expenses by such means as not driving long distances to model events... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: NARSES2 on July 21, 2020, 06:06:32 am
It's certainly a good idea Nick, well done for coming up with it  :thumbsup:

I'm more than happy with Coventry and would probably stay over night as well.

Anyway the situation is still pretty fluid in terms of what will be going on next week, let alone in 3 months time or so, but it's pencilled in the diary
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Freightdog862 on July 21, 2020, 09:19:23 am
I'd quite like to come to the Coventry option if/when SMW gets cancelled. I missed my annual fix at the museum with the June show being cancelled, and a two and a half hour drive each way is manageable in a day for me.

Will keep an eye on this thread in September for more news.

Colin



 
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Howard of Effingham on July 23, 2020, 07:28:26 am
As I live within walking distance Martin, it would be rude for me not to come.

I will let Richard know if you haven't texted him about such already.

Great idea!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Martin H on September 18, 2020, 04:01:26 pm
Ive had a conversation with the Museum management at Coventry.

Providing we agree to stick to the restrictions they have had to put in place the meeting is very much a live project.
The date that I have penciled in with them is Saturday 7th November (what would have been the first day of SMW)

We wont be using the old education centre portacabin like we did in the distant past. we will have use of the much newer Argosy centre which is much bigger and more comortable. Its located behind the Canberra PR3.
The room hire for the whole day has been quoted as £100. And that has been heavily discounted from its normal rate.

There can be no more than 13 of us on the day due to the restriction in place on numbers in the room at any one time.
So that room hire fee works out at just under £8 each if we get the full 13 people on the day.

Masks will be required inside all the buildings on the day. Unless eating/drinking.

Unfortunatly I wasnt able to talk the folks at MAM into giving us free entry to the museum. The events of this year have hit them hard income wise so every penny counts at the moment.

The museum cafe is not doing hot snacks at the moment but will be open for "take away" tea, coffee, cold snacks etc. So it might be advisable to bring your own pack lunch or similer. There is a hot water urn in the room, I will ask if we can make use of that and do our own hot drinks.

Any one wishing to do any plastic bashing on the day will be able to do so, as each person will have a table to them selves

We should also be able to have a central table for finished models to be displayed. I might even dig out the display stand for an airing........

And if Colin is still interested in attending, I see no reason why he cant partake in emptying our wallets in exchange for his wares.

Once we have agreed to go ahead I will firm up the booking with MAM and open up a list for those attending.
I will need contact details for contact tracing if needed (a mobile number will do)

So are you lot up still up for this?
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Howard of Effingham on September 18, 2020, 07:32:08 pm
Count me in Martin please.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 19, 2020, 05:10:32 am

So are you lot up still up for this?


You BET we are!  :thumbsup:

That's brilliant news OGL, well done for all your work on the project.

Presumably any Joe & Jane Publics at the museum that day won't be able to come and view our stuff if we already have the maximum number of people there, right?
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: NARSES2 on September 19, 2020, 06:10:37 am
In all probability I'm ok for it Martin.

Need to see how things turn out re transport and hotels given the current health situation, but more that happy to cough up a tenner even if I can't do it in the end. As long as someone writes a 2 page report for the Newsletter  ;)
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Nick on September 19, 2020, 11:34:03 am
Good work Martin. I am interested in being there (as it was partly my idea  :lol:).
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Martin H on September 19, 2020, 02:24:16 pm

Presumably any Joe & Jane Publics at the museum that day won't be able to come and view our stuff if we already have the maximum number of people there, right?

Unfortunately that would be the case.
If it was a summer date we could have put on a display in the main hanger. But I speak from experience, that same hanger is bleedin cold in November.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Freightdog862 on September 19, 2020, 02:45:22 pm
I'd be very happy to attend local lockdowns permitting, and happy to contribute if I can't make it. I should have a few nice items ready (masters arrived today), just need to photograph them and get them sent off to CMR for them to work their magic.

Colin
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on September 20, 2020, 05:48:03 am
In principle, yes.  Family matter ongoing that may impact, but unlikely to do so.  Will confirm ASAP.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on October 17, 2020, 02:08:18 am
In principle, yes.  Family matter ongoing that may impact, but unlikely to do so.  Will confirm ASAP.

Family matter resolved, Iím available and up for this but sadly at the mo I suspect coviddery will kibosh the meeting.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Martin H on October 20, 2020, 03:05:52 am
Well. So far we are booked in at MAM for Saturday 7th November.

So feel free to either post your intention to attend here or PM me.  Remember we have a max number of 13 places available. 3 of which are already spoken for with Me, Trevor and Richard already on the list.

Of course things may change at any moment dependant of the local conditions in and around Coventry at the time.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2020, 03:54:35 am
Memememememememememememememememe!

I'll have to head home to collect my models first though, but do I care? NO!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on October 20, 2020, 05:17:29 am
Yarp!  Me too!!
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Nick on October 20, 2020, 05:47:54 am
In my case I think it all depends on the lifting of Tier 2 restrictions in Essex and London. I wouldn't want to put anyone at risk either medically or legally. Not too sure how a museum visit with a group counts under these rules.
We shall have to see what the situation is nearer the time.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: NARSES2 on October 20, 2020, 06:35:18 am
I'm going to have to give it a miss lads. Even if we don't get moved to Tier 3 it would mean at least one, possibly two nights in a hotel and the Avanti West Coast booking system is already talking about changes to schedule and cancellations  :-\

When the train company says "check up nearer your planned departure date to see if our services are running" (and I'm not blaming them) I think it's a no-no.

Dave don't worry about that book, hopefully pick it up next year  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on October 20, 2020, 06:48:32 am
In my case I think it all depends on the lifting of Tier 2 restrictions in Essex and London. I wouldn't want to put anyone at risk either medically or legally. Not too sure how a museum visit with a group counts under these rules.
We shall have to see what the situation is nearer the time.

Good call Nick.  Damn.  Will have to decontaminate somewhere on the M6 as will (at the mo) be heading from Manchester.  Have begun campaign  to get Coventry into Tier 2.  Helps us all out then!
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: NARSES2 on October 20, 2020, 06:58:37 am
Way things are going Boris won't be letting anyone in or out of Manchester  ;D
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Freightdog862 on October 20, 2020, 12:15:44 pm
I am still interested in attending, and I've spoken to Mike McEvoy and he is also keen to come. Are you sure the 13 number is still applicable, isn't it 6 now or am I completely confused by the rules?

Colin
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2020, 12:46:55 pm
AFAIK more than one group of six are allowed so long as the groups are six feet apart. It'd be like a pub, but with no beer..............
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on October 20, 2020, 12:49:19 pm
Way things are going Boris won't be letting anyone in or out of Manchester  ;D

one is merely advised not to travel to/from tier 3 areas.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: NARSES2 on October 21, 2020, 06:27:08 am
Way things are going Boris won't be letting anyone in or out of Manchester  ;D

one is merely advised not to travel to/from tier 3 areas.

Currently  :angel:

Is traveling from one Tier 3 area to another allowed ? Bet that would confuse any cabinet minister asked, junior or otherwise
:rolleyes:

I joke, but in all honesty it is getting a tad confusing and I see S Yorkshire went Tier 3 today.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on October 21, 2020, 07:05:26 am
Travel from a 2 or 3 to a 1 is verboten, but yes I think 2 to 2 is OK. 

Thatís my reading but could do with an eye test.  Will pop up to Barnard Castle to see if allís well.

Off home tomorrow morning from the 2 that becomes a 3 at midnight.  Next trip north in a fortnight from a 2 via a 2 to a 3.  Really will have to pay attention to the rules cos at the mo Iíd be breaking the rules by going to the SIG meet (as Nick rightly pointed out).
Which is a 8ugger.  It also means I canít head home via a model shop in Stoke  Iíve recently become aware of.
Ah well, must head to AJís at the weekend to part with cash before inside the M25 becomes a 3 and all non-essential shops are shut.
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Martin H on October 21, 2020, 11:40:03 am
It would appear I spoke to soon.

I had an email late last night from the Cov & Warks club saying that due to more stringent rules the museum has been forced to put in place they are now shelving their social distanced club meetings untill further notice.
In short the numbers would have to be cut to six and we would need to make sure that no one came anyware near 2 meters from the next person. including entry and exiting the ed centre. Cov & warks have done the maths and it would make their meeting unviable cost wise.

Having double checked it would also impact us big time as the £100 quoted for the day split six ways is to much to expect from those attending on top of the standard museum entry fee.

So Its no longer a viable prospect for the SIG meet to go ahead.

It was a good idea while it lasted. But as they say we live in interesting times.

So stay safe gang and see you all on the other side.................
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 21, 2020, 12:18:47 pm
Oh DAMN!  :angry:
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: kitbasher on October 21, 2020, 12:22:50 pm
Nick, many thanks for suggesting the SIG meet and Martin for pursuing the idea.
Disappointing news but not a surprise.  Still a good idea though and maybe in 2021?
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Freightdog862 on October 21, 2020, 12:39:52 pm
Thanks for trying Martin, I'll break the news to Mike, he will be disappointed. Maybe next year once the winter is out of the way.

Colin
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: rickshaw on October 21, 2020, 08:23:50 pm
Could I suggest as an alternative a "virtual meeting"?   That would mean there is no limit on attendance and no need for "social distancing"...
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: 63cpe on October 21, 2020, 10:30:39 pm
Maybe a meeting via Teams or Zoom? Than we can socialize (video on and microphone on) in an international setting as this is an internet forum, right??
Drawback: it's kinda heavy on data and therefor requires a strong wifi or data network.

I'm contemplating about a format on how all participant can show their whiffs and explain more on the build, colors, techniques used,.story etc.
Maybe first start in timeslots of about 5-8 minutes per participant to show your stuff and explain in general terms, then move on to the next participant. After this general showcase per participant, we can move on to the break out room phase (in Zoom there is the possibility to put some participants together, by a moderator). In this phase participants can get together with other participants of choice and ask more indepth questions and show details of the models in front of the camera. After some time, maybe 15 or 20 minutes, the break-out rooms are all ended and a news session of break-out rooms can start. Moderator asks per participant who would be in break out room with member A or Z and compiles  a new set of break-out rooms for anonther stint. This second phase of break-out rooms might take several go's for all participant to have "seen enough". If participants wish to continue, they can do them selves via Zoom, email or other means etc. Anyway, that's just my 2 cents, but it might be interesting to do an international internet meeting.

Cheers,
David aka 63CPE
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Freightdog862 on October 22, 2020, 12:24:28 am
I'd be interested in Zoom or teams meeting if it goes ahead, just don't ask me to be a moderator as I'm fairly clueless and need to ask my personal assistant with such things (PA being my 13 year old son, unpaid of course)

Colin
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Nick on October 22, 2020, 03:11:06 am
We have been using Zoom for our club meetings every other Wednesday. It works best when one person acts as Chair and directs the flow of chatter as you can really only have one person talking at a time. With around 10 people at a time it can be tricky to work out who's talking.

The format is we sit at our workbench with Zoom running on our devices. Smartphones or laptop work well for this but some folk are flashy and have a separate camera  :rolleyes: . Doing it over wifi is best for a cheap and stable connection.

We take it in turns to tell the others what we're working on. In turn they can ask questions about our work and discuss methods etc.
Chair will then talk about our monthly competition. We email our photos to him the week before, he puts them in an online gallery and we all vote on that via email.
Discussion of our beverages of choice does come into it... :cheers:
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 22, 2020, 04:15:01 am
What about the cake and buns though?
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: rickshaw on October 22, 2020, 05:25:51 am
Be careful, if you choose Zoom.  It is notorious for harvesting your data and then onselling to other interested parties.

As for refreshments, they will have to be provided by yourself, Kit.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: NARSES2 on October 22, 2020, 06:10:14 am
Nick, many thanks for suggesting the SIG meet and Martin for pursuing the idea.


Indeed  :thumbsup:

I saw at lunchtime that Coventry moves into Zone 2 today or tomorrow as well. Personally I think we haven't got a snowflake's chance of returning to anything like normality until we have a working, reliable vaccine and a large portion of the UK population has received it. But then I always was a bit of a pessimist ; comes with being a Palace fan  ;)
Title: Re: What-If SIG meeting 2020?
Post by: Nick on October 22, 2020, 08:28:57 am
What about the cake and buns though?

You have to throw them at yourself. Bonus points if you get them in your mouth!  ;)