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GROUP BUILDS => In The Navy G.B. 2020 => Topic started by: Doug K on May 10, 2020, 02:34:29 am

Title: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 10, 2020, 02:34:29 am
Need to do more on the back story but I'm imaging the RAN supporting Australian troops on the ground in Vietnam Skyraider-style, using locally built Wyverns. The genesis is that the Wyvern, for all its many faults is one of my favourite aircraft and I've had the Trumpeter 1/72nd scale version in my stash for whiffing. Even my fevered imagination couldn't quite figure out how to get it into the Royal Scots Navy in a US Navy Gull Grey/White scheme (per my Gannet posted elsewhere), not even I could think of a reason for Scotland to have a carrier... :)
Inspiration struck when I found some decals in the collection so pre-Skyhawk 805 squadron will be gifted the Wyvern.....

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Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: zenrat on May 10, 2020, 02:51:42 am
Cool cool cool.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 10, 2020, 04:48:35 am

... not even I could think of a reason for Scotland to have a carrier... :)


And why not? The last two we had were built there! ;D
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 10, 2020, 05:32:53 am

... not even I could think of a reason for Scotland to have a carrier... :)


And why not? The last two had were built there! ;D

True 😂
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: kitnut617 on May 10, 2020, 08:03:07 am
Look at that, I just bought that kit too ---
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Captain Canada on May 10, 2020, 10:07:24 am
Such a cool looking machine. Can never get enough Wyvern !
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Old Wombat on May 11, 2020, 04:00:04 am
Looking forward to this! :mellow:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 11, 2020, 09:36:24 am
It progresses, though I may have to have a back up if the decals are a bit iffy. I have an Argentine sheet somewhere!

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Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: zenrat on May 12, 2020, 04:37:49 am
That's quick work.
 :thumbsup:

I love the Wyvern.  I've built two of these and am always keeping an eye out for another.
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Captain Canada on May 12, 2020, 04:43:50 am
Looking good already !

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=45106.0
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 15, 2020, 11:51:57 am
So NOT doing this again!  :banghead:

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Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 15, 2020, 12:51:04 pm
Ouch!  :(
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: NARSES2 on May 16, 2020, 12:38:23 am
I admire your patience, persistence and eyesight  :bow: I wouldn't even no where to start
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 16, 2020, 01:39:02 am
I admire your patience, persistence and eyesight  :bow: I wouldn't even no where to start

Thanks, I am questioning my sanity
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 16, 2020, 09:13:13 am
So the old Esci Skyhawk decals, which prompted the insanity-inducing checker pattern for the rudder, just fell apart. It's probably not a surprise as they are likely 30 years old. My fall back position is the Frog Sea Venom's , even older and on 1mm thick carrier film but needs must!

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Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Captain Canada on May 16, 2020, 05:07:46 pm
Oh my ! That looks so right ! I know it's alot of work, but so worth it !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: zenrat on May 16, 2020, 05:59:32 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: NARSES2 on May 17, 2020, 06:22:42 am
Oh my ! That looks so right ! I know it's alot of work, but so worth it !

 :cheers:

Couldn't agree more Capt  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Old Wombat on May 21, 2020, 03:41:36 am
Looking really good, Doug! :thumbsup:


May I inquire as to how you went about doing the chequer-board pattern? :unsure:


I used a rather successful method someone told me (I've forgotten who) on my RAN F9F-8

How does one go about doing that? I've often wondered.

First: Mask the outline of the overall area that you want to chequerboard & paint it in the lighter colour.
Second: Overlay a cross-hatch of the appropriate width masking tape (in this case 4mm), ensuring you have the correct gap between by using a piece of the same tape as a gauge, & paint the darker colour (an undercoat may be required if the colours may interact (eg: you don't want to paint red over yellow without a white undercoat, unless orange is OK)), & remove once the paint is dry.
Third: Overlay another cross-hatch of tape, this is somewhat easier (especially if you have somewhat translucent tape, like Tamiya tape, etc.) but you will want to use a tape gauge again to make sure in some spots, & paint the second (darker) colour again.

The other option is to mask the edges of the area & cross-hatch mask 4 times (twice for each colour) but I figure that way lies not just madness but also an unacceptably high (for me) risk of stuffing something up.

From here: https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=43236.0 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=43236.0)
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 21, 2020, 09:30:58 am
Looking really good, Doug! :thumbsup:


May I inquire as to how you went about doing the chequer-board pattern? :unsure:


I used a rather successful method someone told me (I've forgotten who) on my RAN F9F-8

How does one go about doing that? I've often wondered.

First: Mask the outline of the overall area that you want to chequerboard & paint it in the lighter colour.
Second: Overlay a cross-hatch of the appropriate width masking tape (in this case 4mm), ensuring you have the correct gap between by using a piece of the same tape as a gauge, & paint the darker colour (an undercoat may be required if the colours may interact (eg: you don't want to paint red over yellow without a white undercoat, unless orange is OK)), & remove once the paint is dry.
Third: Overlay another cross-hatch of tape, this is somewhat easier (especially if you have somewhat translucent tape, like Tamiya tape, etc.) but you will want to use a tape gauge again to make sure in some spots, & paint the second (darker) colour again.

The other option is to mask the edges of the area & cross-hatch mask 4 times (twice for each colour) but I figure that way lies not just madness but also an unacceptably high (for me) risk of stuffing something up.

From here: https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=43236.0 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=43236.0)

Yeah, that was pretty much it, I was using the thin masking tape over white, positioned the squares with a length of the tape (having used the same method to cut them roughly square) then red on top. There was some bleed but less than I feared
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: buzzbomb on May 22, 2020, 05:14:15 pm
Looking the goods
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 23, 2020, 08:11:17 am
Bloody wing folds.....  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 24, 2020, 01:26:41 am
OK, she's done (i think).
The wing folds were so much fun they may be removed and reattached as nature intended! They also hide the paint job, I'll decided that later.

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Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 24, 2020, 01:43:22 am
Cool, that's looking very good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 24, 2020, 02:46:44 am
Cool, that's looking very good.  :thumbsup:

Thanks! Im still not sure about the wingfold. Ill wait before deciding if its ready for the finished thread.
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Old Wombat on May 24, 2020, 03:41:48 am
Looks finished to me! :thumbsup:

Really nice job, Doug, & the wing-fold looks fine, to me. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: zenrat on May 24, 2020, 04:18:42 am
My personal opinion regarding naval aircraft is that they should be displayed wings open.  Fold one if you must but not both or you'll hide the aircraft's true form.
But that's just me.  Your model, your way.

This looks excellent and having the wings folded does put the Roos the right way up.
Bravo.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 24, 2020, 04:46:00 am
My personal opinion regarding naval aircraft is that they should be displayed wings open.  Fold one if you must but not both or you'll hide the aircraft's true form.
But that's just me.  Your model, your way.

This looks excellent and having the wings folded does put the Roos the right way up.
Bravo.

 :thumbsup:

Thanks, I was thinking about that as a compromise
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 24, 2020, 05:09:31 am
One wing chopped off....  :o
Watch this space!
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 24, 2020, 05:18:00 am
Folded Wings Rule OK!  :thumbsup:

(That's after I've been converted by building my Barracuda IV of course... ;D)
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: kitnut617 on May 24, 2020, 05:44:16 am
Very nice job Doug  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: That scheme just changes the whole look of the Wyvern ---
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: NARSES2 on May 24, 2020, 07:29:28 am
That does look the business  :bow:

As for wing folds ? I'm a member of the one folded, one not school. Which is fine for back in the day when they were manually folded but not so sure that's true with more modern types with powered folding/un-folding.
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 24, 2020, 08:04:04 am
That does look the business  :bow:

As for wing folds ? I'm a member of the one folded, one not school. Which is fine for back in the day when they were manually folded but not so sure that's true with more modern types with powered folding/un-folding.

True but I'm running out of space!
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 24, 2020, 08:06:07 am
I'm happier a bit now, the a/c has had a hydraulic failure, hence no weapons and only one wing folded.....  ;)

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Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: NARSES2 on May 24, 2020, 08:06:45 am
That does look the business  :bow:

As for wing folds ? I'm a member of the one folded, one not school. Which is fine for back in the day when they were manually folded but not so sure that's true with more modern types with powered folding/un-folding.

True but I'm running out of space!

Good enough reason as any  ;) ;D
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: NARSES2 on May 24, 2020, 08:07:38 am
I'm happier a bit now, the a/c has had a hydraulic failure, hence no weapons and only one wing folded.....  ;)



Oh my, that shows her off beautifully  :bow:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: Doug K on May 24, 2020, 09:36:47 am
I'm happier a bit now, the a/c has had a hydraulic failure, hence no weapons and only one wing folded.....  ;)



Oh my, that shows her off beautifully  :bow:

Thanks, but instinct told me that scheme would look ok on the Wyvern, much happier  with the result and marginally amazed at the 40 (or more) year old Frog decals!
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: loupgarou on May 24, 2020, 01:08:15 pm
Beautiful build!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: CAC Westland Wyvern, 805 squadron RAN, HMAS Melbourne, 1967
Post by: zenrat on May 25, 2020, 04:05:06 am
 :thumbsup: