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Title: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on April 20, 2020, 08:55:41 pm
Blog?
To write a blog or not?
I'm hoping that this will encourage me to build/finish a few more models, especially if I try and update it regularly with progress reports and ideas for other whiffs. Comments and thread drift welcome :rolleyes:
I think I'll give it a go, why not what could possibly go wrong?....
So A bit about me, I have worked on Airplanes (various) since leaving home, first for Her Majesty, then Later the Worlds Favorite airline, then much later from a full service airline to The Low fares, made simple airline. and currently a well known cargo airline, Excellence, simply delivered. 
Hopefully you lot will be able to work out who I mean.  ;)
For me this hobby started with saving my pocket money and buying Airfix kits from the local newsagent. Series 1 of course still in the plastic bag with the Instructions stapled to the bag (had to be careful removing the staples otherwise ripped instructions...) remember Airfix paints in the little glass bottles? G1 was gloss red and I think G8 might have been silver? Later on with paper round money I moved onto the bigger ones, and the airspace on the ceiling of my bedroom became crowded with the likes of the Blenhiem IV, B17G ('a bit o lace') B29 ('Joltin Josie') P51 (fools paradise IV) and many more. I've still got a Boxed B29 somewhere with the wonderful written instruction sheet (Cement pilot (1) and Co-pilot (2) to seats (3,4) then cement locating pins....) First whiff? Not sure, think it was probably Concorde in green and brown, and The swedish marine transfers from the Airfix Vertol 107-II. :o
No idea why though...
Of course leaving home and joining the RAF put a bit of a stop to Modelling for a few years, but I Remember buying the Matchbox Victor in the NAAFI whilst based at Laarbruch (BFPO43) so the bug never really left. Later on I discovered  Airfix magazine with its conversion articles (featuring balsa and talcum powder) Scale Modelling (covered all sorts, planes, cars, trucks, tanks etc) and then of course Scale Aircraft Modelling, with its wonderful Profiles/in depth articles on one type of Aircraft and of course if you read SAM, you read tail piece by Mike Mcavoy and it was reading him that made me realize that whiffing was OK. Of course finding here sometime in 2009 and all the wonderful modelers who lurk here was the icing on the cake, it's all been downhill from there. :thumbsup:
Current projects include a Phantom for the in the Navy GB (it's in the paint shop) Flt Lt Pollocks Lightning F.6 (decals stage and has been for a while..) various other Lightnings, a RAuxAF Hunter, Belgian Tornado.... There are many others gathering dust waiting for that elusive spark to finish them.
However my current obsession is an Eduard Spitfire XVI in 1/72 (is there any other scale?) it's the Royal Edition = more marking options and P.E. It's very detailed and quite complex in its make up. There are over 25 parts that go to make up the cockpit including some really tiny etched bits that I've not fitted.
My fingers/eyesight/patience/tweezers aren't that good, and now I've closed the fuselage up you can't see half of them anyway... But I do like the pre painted instrument panel and seat belts, they really do make a difference. I've also been trawling the Web for more info about AVM Robb's personal Spitfire (late version) as that's the marking option I want to do. More on that subject another time.
All in all its turning out to be a very enjoyable project.
Might even add some pictures next time.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: zenrat on April 21, 2020, 03:24:59 am
I find having a blog enables one to waffle on about anything one likes (within reason obviously) without hijacking someone else'e thread.
Although there is nothing wrong with a good hijack either.

You wrote "remember Airfix paints in the little glass bottles? G1 was gloss red" and I swear I could smell it.

Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 21, 2020, 04:57:55 am

 it's all been downhill from there. :thumbsup:


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

That says it all really.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on April 21, 2020, 06:04:22 am
Must admit I find keeping a Blog on here encourages me to keep working at my builds even if it's only a little bit here and there. Keeps me at it  :thumbsup:

From memory Airfix's own brand paints were truly awful, but I suppose we are talking about early 60's ? Or was it late 50's even ?
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on April 21, 2020, 07:13:59 pm
There was going to be a couple of pictures next, but that will have to wait until I'm on my laptop,
So here's some more musing  :rolleyes:
I've been delving around on the web for more photos of AVM Robb's Spitfire XVI,
Not doing very well. Many photos of SL271 in its various preserved schemes but very few from its service life. It was first painted in a blue scheme that is referred to as scheme D Light PRU Blue with C type roundels. This scheme lasted until the Aircraft was involved in a landing accident and had to be repaired. Afterwards it returns in what is called scheme D dark PRU blue with D type roundels. See this site for some of the pictures if youre interested. http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/131/Supermarine-Superstar.aspx
The  few black and white photos I've found on the web showing the Spitfire in its late darker scheme seem to my eyes to be to dark for the colour to be PRU Blue, but there is also one colour photo that would seem to show the aircraft in dark PRU Blue or possibly Blue Grey, however it is after it was purchased from storage and put on display by a garage owner, and could possibly have had a re-paint at some stage.
Of course interpreting old photos is a large can of worms...
Depending on the time of day and which of the photos I'm studying I can make myself believe it was painted in RAF Blue Grey or PRU Blue or possibly a dark blue like Oxford blue. Another dark blue that has a PR connection is Bosun Blue which  was used on some PR Hurricanes in the East/Far East.
Your thoughts and comments would be much appreciated.

Regards
Keith.

Further research has revealed that Lifelike decals claim the colour is Oxford blue for VIP aircraft. Information based on a colour photo from the above mentioned site that has now been removed apparently....
Why am I even bothering with all this head scratching when I'm a Whiffer is also a very good question. :o ;D
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 22, 2020, 05:24:02 am

Why am I even bothering with all this head scratching when I'm a Whiffer is also a very good question. :o ;D


Remember Kit's 2nd Law of Whiffing, 'The backstory can always be adjusted to suit the model'.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on April 22, 2020, 07:07:47 am


Why am I even bothering with all this head scratching when I'm a Whiffer is also a very good question. :o ;D

Because once something like this starts to niggle at us we can't let it go. We're all like it  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on April 22, 2020, 01:23:56 pm
PRU Blue is an odd colour that seems to change it's shade whatever the lighting conditions.

And if you think Robb's aircraft is a right can of worms, try the container load that is K5054...
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 22, 2020, 02:16:27 pm

PRU Blue is an odd colour that seems to change it's shade whatever the lighting conditions.


Not to mention who manufactures it.

I've got maybe 5-6 cans by different manufacturers and NONE of them are the same shade as any of the others.  :banghead:
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on April 29, 2020, 02:10:35 pm
Well I'm back at my home Work bench now, so a quick update,
Eduards XVI on the left and Airfix's 22/24 on the right,
From the bottom: Xtracolor PRU Blue, Oxford Blue and Blue/Grey, The Airfix 22/24 has had one coat of Xtracolor Dark Sea Grey.
Have to make my mind up sometime soon :rolleyes:
 
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Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on April 29, 2020, 04:44:07 pm
Go PRU Blue.  There's more opinions than pebbles on a beach, and some arsepiece is going to say you're wrong whatever you do.  One of the colour photos looks close enough to PRU Blue, so say you're going with the colour on that photo and give whoever complains advice regarding sex and travel.  Or Specsavers if you want to be tactful.  Remember the motto - My Fecking Model!
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on April 30, 2020, 02:30:23 pm
Managed a bit more stuff today :thumbsup:
Found a possible Not PRU Blue, PRU Blue like colour for the AVM's Spitfire :o
Sorted out the Spitfire tail feathers, with displaced elevators and rudders. plus Lightning U/C Fitment, only managed the one though instead of the hoped for two sets.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49838244478_89cddfd7aa_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iW32Kd) (https://flic.kr/p/2iW32Kd) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/155882726@N06/), on Flickr

Gave the Instructions of the Valom Buckmaster and the box contents a damm good looking at. (And told myself to leave it in the box :angel:)
keep thinking it would make good Fast Transport/Communications/Courier Aircraft instead of the Buckingham. I think its the slightly wider two seater cockpit that does it, just need to give it a couple of windows for the Pax. Must resist the temptation to start it. :wacko:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on May 01, 2020, 05:46:41 am
The camouflaged Lightning looks interesting
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on May 01, 2020, 06:51:22 am
The camouflaged Lightning looks interesting

Ah yes, although you cant tell from this angle, that's the Airfix Lightning with Freightdog Lightning FGA conversion kit.
its in that "odd" Post war Desert scheme of Light Slate Grey, Dark Earth and Medium Sea Grey, or it will be when I've painted
the undersides. Struggling a bit with the Markings for this one, Ideally it needs to be one of the Middle East Ex Hunter or Meteor
Sqns, but not 43Sqn (I want them to join 111Sqn at Leuchars for some full colour fun ;))
I just need to rummage through my Xtradecal Hunter/Meteor sheets and make a decision. trouble is not lot of the Hunter/Meteor Sqn.
Fuselage bar markings transfer quite so well to the nose of a Lightning. Maybe I should Look at Vampire decal sheets for Sqn. for Markings?

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 01, 2020, 08:27:21 am
8 Sqn?  The arrow head that they wore on their Meteors is quite attractive AND they were traditionally a middle east sqn.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Euro-Decals-GLOSTER-METEOR-FR-MK-9-Decals-Royal-Air-force-WW11-RAF-ED72116/153136709833

It's also on an old Modeldecal sheet.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 01, 2020, 06:17:39 pm

Gave the Instructions of the Valom Buckmaster and the box contents a damm good looking at. (And told myself to leave it in the box :angel:)
keep thinking it would make good Fast Transport/Communications/Courier Aircraft instead of the Buckingham. I think its the slightly wider two seater cockpit that does it, just need to give it a couple of windows for the Pax. Must resist the temptation to start it. :wacko:

Regards
Keith

The only reason the Buckinghams were given the courier role - and I doubt many were even used much, if at all - was to use the 100 or so airframes that Bristol had to build to keep the workforce together before they could start building Brigands.  They must have been pretty expensive to use in the courier role too, and I doubt that the Buckmaster would have been much cheaper either.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on May 04, 2020, 02:43:55 pm
Thanks for that, unfortunately I don't have that particular Modeldecal sheet, however not to worry the MPM Meteor FR.9 Kit
comes with the 8 Sqn Arrow marking and 208's Blue and sand/yellow sqn. markings. The Eurodecal sheet would be interesting for the
79Sqn "Red Arrows" marking, but that's all. Have to think about it.
The Buckingham/Buckmaster I have only read about in the Warpaint Magazine/Booklet, obviously one of those "things" that would be
interesting to read more about.
Update progress wise, The AVM's Spitfire has received its underwing radiators (4 plastic bits plus 2 PE for each!) plus gun stubs, just need
to tidy it up and get on with the paint, speaking of which....

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The top wing tip is Oxford Blue, the bottom RAF Blue/Grey :rolleyes: :wacko: :o
if you fiddle with black and white photo's enough you can make them show what you want :rolleyes:
Compare them if you will against the pictures here, (if you
can/want to be bothered http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/131/Supermarine-Superstar.aspx
In other news the 'out of Retirement' Spitfire 24 has got some Cannons and the start of some Camouflage (Dark Sea Grey and Dark Green)
Flt. Lt. Alan Pollock has got his name on the side of his Lightning ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49852088856_d2e404562c_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXfZco) (https://flic.kr/p/2iXfZco)

see here for further details:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_Hunter_Tower_Bridge_incident.

please remember that Wikipedia isn't always as accurate as it should be. :wacko:

I've also struggled to fit the Canopy to my 'In the Navy' Phantom, note the elastic bands assisted by paint brushes, this is the second attempt.
Luckily i had another phantom to pinch the canopy from <_<

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And that Hunter? Roundel blue nose wheel door, Code letter TBD.
Does anybody know if there is a generic decal sheet in 1/72 that has RAF Rank penants on it?

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 04, 2020, 04:19:55 pm
I don't think there is - I tend to use the Airfix Spitfire mk IX (ZX/JEJ) sheet as both options on it don't interest me and I've that many to use...

One of the old Almark sheets might have had them one, there was an old ESCI sheet that did, but they come pre-yellowed and will splinter if you so much as threaten them with water.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on May 12, 2020, 02:07:30 pm
No progress for week or so, had to prep the car for its TUV/MOT, unfortunately whilst replacing the Valve stem seals, (all 16 of them) it doesnít burn oil any more, but...
I seem to have forgotten to refit a bolt on the timing chain, :rolleyes: which has resulted in metal flakes in the oil :banghead: Needs further investigation....
Luckily itís the 2nd car so it can wait.
Currently doing my two weeks of work now, so several hundred Km. From my workbench, although I do have a Modelling table here <_< I brought another Airfix phantom and the Bristol Buckmaster with me. So far Iíve managed to look in the boxes :rolleyes:
The AVMs Spitfire and the other nearly there projects I considered to delicate for the train journey, so theyíll have to wait.
Might attempt the cockpits on the Phantom and Buckmaster if I feel so inclined. Or maybe research into a replacement engine for the car.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 12, 2020, 02:27:19 pm
You'll need some plastic card sheet to thicken the Valom Buckingham/Buckmaster/Brigand wheels.  Or I can supply some resin ones...
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on May 13, 2020, 12:25:03 pm
Cheers Lee, if I ever get as far as the U/C I may PM you :thumbsup:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on June 06, 2020, 09:17:14 am
Hurrah! At last some more modeling has occurred  ;D
More Dark Sea Grey has been applied to the Phantom. Trouble is itís Xtracolor, and this particular batch
Is taking a long time to dry (two days and itís still tacky!) which is strange as the paint applied to the
Spitfire 24 dried in the Ďnormalí overnight time scale and it Came from the same tin! All of which means the phantom wonít make The Ďin the Navy GBí. So that gives me a bit more time to work on the fin colour/Sqn. marking.

The AVMís Spitfire XVI has received its top coat of the wrong colour (probably) but I like it :rolleyes:
Just wondering if itís U/C legs and inside of the doors should be silver? Or do I remember reading that the legs and doors and inside the U/C bay where considered as part of the outside of the aircraft by Supermarine and therefore painted in the underside colour?

500Sqn RauxAF Hunter F.9 is awaiting drop tanks, if I can remember where I put them :banghead:
Or maybe Iíll call it done and See if the Station Photographer at RAF Hiding-in-the-Hedges managed to capture it on the Visiting Aircraft pan ;)

No 1 Sqnís Lightning F.6 has had a complete set of U/C doors fitted and just needs an ejection seat, Red Tops and final touch up. There maybe pictures later.

A partially completed Lancaster has been seen lurking on the work bench and may now join the queue for the final push to the finishing line; if the Lightning manages to depart the workbench before Lancaster enthusiasm wanes.
Unfortunately  work beckons for the next two weeks so I donít see much happening for a bit (but I need the money ;D)

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on June 07, 2020, 03:23:49 am
The bay itself will be the underneath camo, whatever that may be - EXCEPT for the 21/22/24 as they were Interior Green.  The leg should be aluminium with the inner door being interior green.  That's what I've been going off for years and I don't intend stopping now.  They may be wrong, but at least it's consistent.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on June 07, 2020, 05:40:42 am

More Dark Sea Grey has been applied to the Phantom. Trouble is itís Xtracolor, and this particular batch
Is taking a long time to dry (two days and itís still tacky!) which is strange as the paint applied to the
Spitfire 24 dried in the Ďnormalí overnight time scale and it Came from the same tin!

May well be the weather conditions when it was painted Keith. I painted something, not enamel but acrylics, 48 hours ago and there's still a tacky feel when I touch it. Everything else painted with the same paint is fine  :unsure: It's odd because I've not had this problem before.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on June 07, 2020, 06:28:59 am
The bay itself will be the underneath camo, whatever that may be - EXCEPT for the 21/22/24 as they were Interior Green.  The leg should be aluminium with the inner door being interior green.  That's what I've been going off for years and I don't intend stopping now.  They may be wrong, but at least it's consistent.

Cheers Lee :thumbsup:
Thatís what I shall be doing when Iím back home, sounds nice and easy :lol:
I seem to remember a whole long topic or two on Britmodeller about this subject?
It obviously got confusing at some point to me :rolleyes:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on June 10, 2020, 03:44:52 pm
I used to be indecisive, but I'm not so sure now...

Reading Narses2 blog tonight And he mentions an article in June's SAM by Paul Lucas on RAF photographic reconnaissance colours. Being interested in that sort of thing I bought a copy and apart from being mildly disappointed to find pre-shading  :banghead: still being used to produce unrealistic looking models (the Nieuport XXI was a particularly bad example IMHO) There's now something called texturing and you can get masks for it :rolleyes: (also quite unrealistic IMHO)
Anyway back to the reason I bought the magazine, the article Colour Conundrum by Paul Lucas about early PRU colours, in which we are introduced to two new PRU colours; which Paul calls PRU Electric Blue No.1 (a kind of turquoise) and PRU Electric Blue No.2 (a Sort of French Blue) My immediate thoughts for the turquoise colour were I wonder if that's the colour used on the First version of AVM Robbís Spitfire? After all it would in all probability still be in RAF stock post war. (you can see where this is going can't you ;)) is it then possible that the second version of the AVMís Spitfire was painted in PRU Electric Blue No.2? It's got that slightly darker Look to it than PRU Blue, but not too dark, which is the impression i get when looking at the black and white photo's of the second version of the Spitfire. I think it More plausible  that Colours that could have been obtainable to or available in RAF stores and to whatever Air Ministry specification applied at the time would have been used to repaint the Spitfire, instead of the AVM sending his Batman to buy paint from the Local garage, as has been suggested.
In case you think I'm slightly mad, :angel: Paul does go into a bit more depth about the colours and explains how he came to the conclusion what the colours looked like. But you'd have to read the article, and as Chris says he can be a bit Ďdryí.

And after all that, I think when I get back home I'll be repainting my Spitfire ;D

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on June 10, 2020, 11:58:36 pm
Glad to see at least one person is reading the Blog  ;)

and apart from being mildly disappointed to find pre-shading  :banghead: still being used to produce unrealistic looking models (the Nieuport XXI was a particularly bad example IMHO) There's now something called texturing and you can get masks for it :rolleyes: (also quite unrealistic IMHO)


I totally agree with you Keith, indeed I raised the point with the editor of SAM at the London Model Show back in December, along with a couple of other points, and he did give me an answer which whilst I didn't agree I could see his point.

When pre or post shading is done well it's very, very effective (see Old Wombat's recent GB entry) but overdone, especially on simple colour schemes just makes the model look toy like in my opinion. It's a very difficult thing to do in the smaller scales and I admire people who can pull it off  :thumbsup:

As for texturing ? The next "hot" thing I suppose and the providers of such tools have to keep bringing new things to the market I suppose. Still each to his own and it's a free world and it would be a sad old place if we were all the same.

It's not just plastic modelling that's effected either. There tend to be fashions when it comes to painting wargame's figures as well, to shadow or not to shadow ?  :-X
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: zenrat on June 11, 2020, 04:24:40 am
I have some texturing stencils.  The idea is you use them to give a patchy faded look to your paint jobs by using them to apply a very slightly lighter shade of the base colour.
I am looking forward to finding out what look I get if I use them to apply a completely different colour to the base colour.
I didn't realise they were the "new black".
 :o
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 11, 2020, 05:08:52 am

and apart from being mildly disappointed to find pre-shading  :banghead: still being used to produce unrealistic looking models (the Nieuport XXI was a particularly bad example IMHO) There's now something called texturing and you can get masks for it :rolleyes: (also quite unrealistic IMHO)


EXACTLY my lines of thought too. All these techniques do is make it look more like a model, not like the real thing.

Some while ago there was a review of the Airfix Swift FR5 which the reviewer had pre-shaded within an inch of its life. So much so that the finished model looked like its own cutaway drawing!

The very next article in the magazine was about the RW Swift FR5, and in all the pics of the aircraft not a single panel line could be seen! It made the review a total waste of magazine space.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on June 11, 2020, 05:14:35 am

I am looking forward to finding out what look I get if I use them to apply a completely different colour to the base colour.
I didn't realise they were the "new black".
 :o

Going by the current batch of UK magazines they are. Remind me very much of some Luftwaffe mottle templates are got when I first got seriously back into the hobby 15 years or so ago. Never really used them as I never got an airbrush for various reasons. Still got them, somewhere.

Be interesting to see the results you get. I think used well they could be a useful tool.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on June 11, 2020, 05:16:22 am

The very next article in the magazine was about the RW Swift FR5, and in all the pics of the aircraft not a single panel line could be seen! It made the review a total waste of magazine space.

Especially in 1/72 scale. I was once told, "stand 72 feet away from the real thing and what can you see ?"
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: Rheged on June 11, 2020, 05:33:21 am

The very next article in the magazine was about the RW Swift FR5, and in all the pics of the aircraft not a single panel line could be seen! It made the review a total waste of magazine space.

Especially in 1/72 scale. I was once told, "stand 72 feet away from the real thing and what can you see ?"

This is a reasonable, logical thought.  It's a variant of my little sister's idea that most pictures/models/crafts are "20 foot items".  If you don't look too closely you get the best view.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on June 11, 2020, 05:37:10 am

The very next article in the magazine was about the RW Swift FR5, and in all the pics of the aircraft not a single panel line could be seen! It made the review a total waste of magazine space.

Especially in 1/72 scale. I was once told, "stand 72 feet away from the real thing and what can you see ?"

This is a reasonable, logical thought.  It's a variant of my little sister's idea that most pictures/models/crafts are "20 foot items".  If you don't look too closely you get the best view.

If this is the little sister who terrorised who pupils, then I'm not going to argue  :angel: ;) ;D
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on July 06, 2020, 07:24:26 am
Time for a little update ;D
Working away from home as usual for the two weeks in the month that i work.
its 10-12 hour night shifts and if we're honest modelling mojo isn't at its highest after a night shift.
I do however have a place (dining table) as its only me in the flat ;D as a workbench, so I thought I'd
introduce to you a couple of the long term denisins of this alternate work bench.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50083075316_80acaabef4_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jiERqy)NH90 SAR.1 (https://flic.kr/p/2jiERqy) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/155882726@N06/), on Flickr

first up is the NH90 SAR.1
I thought that the RAF would appreciate it as a replacement for the retired Sea Kings.
why the NH90? well I like the look of it, and it only cost me Ä5,00 ;D
as you can see I've based the SAR.1 (I really need a name for it :rolleyes:) on the NFH version of the NH90.
I've added a Sea Kingish Radar dome (needs sanding to fit) and it will have some kind of low light search thingy mounted on the nose
and a Nite Sun search light as well. does a modern SAR Helicopter need/have anything else?
I suppose it will be Golden Yellow overall, although I have had thoughts about overall Matt Green with Golden Yellow Tail boom and nose.

The 2nd long term resident of the alternate workbench is a Beaufighter ECM.13

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50083322032_9b3f4d4282_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jiG7Lh)Beaufighter ECM. 13 (https://flic.kr/p/2jiG7Lh) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/155882726@N06/), on Flickr

As its ye olde Matchbox (Revell Re-pop) kit, I've spent hours detailing the cockpit and ECM operators area, most of which you can't see :rolleyes:
but strangely enough enjoyed imensly.
It will be carrying an external ECM pod containing early experimental jammers etc. You'll also have noticed I'm modifying the engines into experimental
reverse flow type hercules*, with smoother cowlings and a different exhaust and intake set up.
*as far as i know, this was an idea tried on the Centaurus, but not for the Hercules?
anyway will try and progress them this week, Mojo permitting ;D

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on July 06, 2020, 07:27:16 am

As its ye olde Matchbox (Revell Re-pop) kit, I've spent hours detailing the cockpit and ECM operators area, most of which you can't see :rolleyes:
but strangely enough enjoyed imensly.


It's surprising how often that happens.

Both looking very nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 08, 2020, 07:23:59 pm
Right on!! Keep chugging. Agreed with the cockpit stuff.... sometimes thinking about it is worse than doing it but once ya have all your paints and supplies in one place and progress is going forward at a good pace it turns into a fun little obsession. 
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on July 23, 2020, 01:44:54 pm
Blog report....
Not much done really since last time I was at home.
The AVMís Spitfire got itís final lick of PRU Electric Blue No.2 paint, just needs canopy masking/painting and the finer aerials/Pitot probe
Plus the inevitable touch ups. Then I can do the transfers :thumbsup:
Spitfire F.22 had a bit more done to it's camouflage, but still away from being finished.
Gave the Airfix phantom another looking at...
The Canopy fuselage join is just huge and no matter how I look at it, I can't ignore it so I'm going to have to fill sand and repaint.. :banghead:
The 1 Sqn Lightning is this () close to the finish line, I really ought to push it over...
But it needs a few ďtouch upsĒ and I need to clean up/dust off RAF Hiding-in-the-Hedges for the photo shoot.
Anyway big birthday tomorrow, so no updates for a while
Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on July 31, 2020, 08:33:35 am
Been one of those sort of weeks...
Iíve run out of Matt black for propeller blades (actually I think itís in my other modeling bench at work)
Plenty of PSR on the Farley StarFilter and loads more to go....
Struggled to use the Eduard canopy masks on the Spitfire, gave up with the smaller pieces for the rear canopy just couldnít get them in the right place. Itís also quite warm here which kind of saps the Mojo. :-\

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on August 03, 2020, 12:08:04 pm
So Iíve been fondling the plastic (as you do) ;D of the newly acquired Revell VW T1 van,
With vague thoughts of doing a VW Supervan on it. Porsche flat 6 in the back and some
Original Fuchs wheels would look pretty neat me thinks. The trouble is the only 1/24 Fuchs
Wheels I could find on the internet have to cost Ä24 plus Postage, for which money I could just
Buy a Revell 911 kit and Nick the wheels, engine (not that youíd see much of it)  and possibly the
Steering wheel and seats.
Might have Just talked myself into another stash addition  :rolleyes:
Unless anyone knows of a cheaper source of a Fuchs wheel set?

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on August 30, 2020, 02:38:43 am
Progress? What progress?,  :banghead: very little as it happens, hot weather, bicycle rides, walking the dogs and all the other normal stuff that happens, Got in the way a bit. Itís now time for my two weeks away at work so its all at a stand still on the modeling front.
However the Farley Starfilter is entering the final PPS and could be ready for paint in a couple of weeks, The Lightning FGA got a first  coat of Medium Sea Grey and i resurrected a project to turn a B737 into a rear engined canardy thing  :o ;D
Looks like im leaving it a bit late for the Prototypes GB, but i will try my best, mainly because its got a cracking backstory (I think)

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on February 08, 2021, 09:03:21 am
Blog? what Blog?
Time for an update, sadly no modelling done since i finished the Farley Star Filter.
probably a Mojo thing, not helped by a Workbench that only in the widest sense of the word could be described as a Workbench.
Dumping area for Kits incomplete various, and stuff would have been more accurate......
However in a desperate attempt to regain some order and possibly find some Mojo I've tidied my Workbench :o :lol:
I now have enough space to attempt modelling :thumbsup: Don't hold your breath though ;)
Now I don't know about you lot, but invariably at New year i make a resolution or two....

1)No more Kits/Decals to be bought until I've built and FINISHED some from the stash!!!

2)Finish the kits (or at least some) from the shelf of doom

Resolution 1 lasted until this afternoon.....
Whilst not modelling I have been pondering several possible Whiffs

One of which involves Making a model of "The Millie P"* as flown by Maj. Edward Giller (and Boxed by Revell years ago. Anybody remember the box art? that's what seduced me; A P51 Mustang with a green and yellow checked nose and a RED fuselage ;D what was not to like? apart from the actual kit? it could roughly be said to resemble a Mustang but even my (then) young eyes could detect that it wasn't quite right. Anyway said kit was bought, made, painted  and hung from the bedroom ceiling)

Fast forward to now, and I want to replicate that model again. A quick search of the internet reveals Decals are available for "The Millie G" however they all appear to be Nil stock in 1/72 scale :rolleyes: But fear not from the depths of my stash I have found a 1/48th Hasegawa P-51K (reduced from 16,50 to 11,99 in a Beatties sale) so I'm guessing the best part of 20 years in the stash :o
Interestingly The Barracuda decals that I've ordered also contain markings for a couple of other Mustangs, One of which also has a much discussed Camouflage scheme:  Lt.Col Thomas Christian's "Lou IV" which may or may not have had dark blue top surface camouflage...
And a Whiff in its self (due to Licensing difficulties I believe) a P-51D "Amourous Len III"** presumably as flown by Captain "Huck" Eager 363FS, 357FG RAF Yoxford.
All of which led me to Order a set of Eduard Overtrees for a P-51D Mustang, which contains amongst other Goodies, three different propellers one of which should help turn the Hasegawa "K" into a "D" Once that lot arrives I'll have to decide which ones I'm making....

*apparently its "The Millie G" But I've always known it as The Millie P,
If you put "The Millie P" into your favorate search engine and toggle images you'll see the aircraft I mean
** allegedly If you Search the Decal sheet carefully you may find some "spare" letters that may or may not help you make a Certain famous American Test Pilots Mustang.

Regards
Keith

Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on February 09, 2021, 12:02:03 am

1)No more Kits/Decals to be bought until I've built and FINISHED some from the stash!!!

2)Finish the kits (or at least some) from the shelf of doom



I wonder how many of us have said those to ourselves in the past  :angel: ;D
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 09, 2021, 03:59:52 am
It's the Whiffer's #1 mantra.  ;D
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: Pellson on February 10, 2021, 01:13:41 pm

1)No more Kits/Decals to be bought until I've built and FINISHED some from the stash!!!

2)Finish the kits (or at least some) from the shelf of doom



I gave up on similar thinking when I realised that such a strategy seriously hampers my creativity. When I get an idea, more often than not, thereís some hardware missing to make it work. To not allow yourself that indulgence is waste of otherwise perfectly good life, imho.

That said, it does have an impact on storage. And I am, admittedly, running out of said commodity. But as long as thereís hope..  ;)
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 16, 2021, 07:36:41 pm
1)No more Kits/Decals to be bought until I've built and FINISHED some from the stash!!!

2)Finish the kits (or at least some) from the shelf of doom
That said, it does have an impact on storage. And I am, admittedly, running out of said commodity. But as long as thereís hope..  ;)

I have tried (and failed...) to keep to that Method. Sometimes even for days or weeks at a time...

Space? If you can thread your way past the towering and toppling piles to get to the bathroom and kitchen, even the bed if you insist, then you're ahead of the game...  :banghead:
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 16, 2021, 10:25:58 pm

Space? If you can thread your way past the towering and toppling piles to get to the bathroom and kitchen, even the bed if you insist, then you're ahead of the game...  :banghead:


That's SO much my situation at home too!  :o
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on May 05, 2021, 06:35:07 am
So No modelling since February?
That's a bit disappointing. Still real life job etc...
Anyhow, a very recent addition to the stash was Revell's New Mould Shackleton MR.3, It was always intended to be a real world build, but whilst researching Shackletons in all they're myriad marks and forms, I discovered 13 serials (in the XG's) for MR.3's that wern't built. That started some thinking :rolleyes:
What if the RAF perceived a need for a 2nd AEW Sqn.? say for use in Vietnam to act as AEW/Fighter control/Comms for the Hunters/Javelins/Canberra aircraft used by the RAF (assuming that Britain did enter/get involved in Vietnam) alternatively maybe they where required for the forward mounting bases around the world?
Well we've established a need for a 2nd AEW Sqn, but where to get the Aircraft? Can't buy new ones too expensive. Step in the Shackleton or to be more precise those 13 (unbuilt in real life) airframes, Maybe they where built, say for South Africa? perhaps there was then an arms embargo on said nation. Et voila we have some "spare" Shackleton...
now would it be the AEW.3 or AEW.4? What colour scheme? (perhaps the original South African delivery scheme) assuming an arms embargo was in place.
food for thought?

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on May 05, 2021, 06:37:05 am
Certainly food for thought
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 05, 2021, 07:52:21 am
You'll need a longer nosegear as there isn't the clearance for the radome underneath an MR3. I did an AEW from a salvage frog one some years back and ended up using a Vulcan one. It put me off the Shackleton MR3 for life.

The MR3 also had fewer airframe hours left on the clock, due to the higher weight and the use of the Vipers. I suspect any extra airframes may have had similar issues.

Canada and New Zealand were apparently interested in the Shattipuss at one point, so there's some alternatives. RAAF to replace their Lincoln's isn't a bad idea either.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on May 05, 2021, 08:33:25 am
You'll need a longer nosegear as there isn't the clearance for the radome underneath an MR3. I did an AEW from a salvage frog one some years back and ended up using a Vulcan one. It put me off the Shackleton MR3 for life.

The MR3 also had fewer airframe hours left on the clock, due to the higher weight and the use of the Vipers. I suspect any extra airframes may have had similar issues.

Canada and New Zealand were apparently interested in the Shattipuss at one point, so there's some alternatives. RAAF to replace their Lincoln's isn't a bad idea either.

The U/C Clearance is/was a worry that I had: thanks for the heads up. I do however have the Radome from the High Planes TBM-3W Avenger conversion kit,(bought on a whim and because it was on sale at the time) which appears to be 'somewhat' shallower in depth, maybe cutting the bottom half of the Shackleton's AEW radome off and splicing the Avengers radome in will provide enough clearance, as I recall both are AN/APS-20 radar, although obviously of different marks and capabilities. me thinks I will have to test fit as I go along.
I know the MR.3 had airframe/fatigue life issues, hence introducing the unbuilt/built for SA but embargoed airframes.
And as you say, if I can't build it as an AEW for the RAF without too much bother there's always other options.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 05, 2021, 08:40:25 am
The Shackleton radomes were taken straight off the AEW Gannets, one of the museum examples still has some Sky paint on it, and they themselves were taken straight off the AEW Skyraiders.

There may not be enough radar sets for the second squadron either, given that they were cobbled together from old airframes and radar cannibalised from the Gannets.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on May 05, 2021, 10:17:45 am
OK, lots of Interesting information there: :thumbsup:
 according to Wikipedia the RN had 50 Skyraider AEW AD-4W,
as replacements, 44 Gannet AEW.3 were built,
After the Gannets retirement 12 Shackleton were converted to the AEW role, so with a bit of Wiffology thrown in
There should/could have been enough sets left to be cobbled together for a 2nd AEW Sqn?

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on July 27, 2021, 01:32:57 pm
"The years roll by. But a hundred years to a steadfast heart are but a day."

Awakening the blog from the dead once again....
been having thoughts about the Recce and Surveillance GB.
Did think about doing a Spitfire PR.19 for the Norwegians, I know they had Spitfire PR.IX, and wanted a jet replacement, but couldn't
find the funding I believe. (I'm sure I found something on the internet about them. but can't find it now :banghead:)
another Idea was a PR version of the Spitfire Mk.22 (PR.23?) which I might still look into... (I'm sure the MK.23 was suggested for what became the Spiteful)
How ever at the moment I've started a 1/48th Mustang F6.D/F6.K which I accidentally bought...

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on July 27, 2021, 01:46:41 pm
The mk 23 was a pressurized version of the mk 22 with the longer span tips on the 20 series wing seen on the early prototypes of the F.21, according to the Morgan/Shacklady book Spitfire: The History, and would have been called the Valiant.  Spiteful is a completely separate development.

I did have a cunning plan to swap the wing from the CMR F.21 "Victor" with that of the Legato resin Spitfire F.22, the masters for the latter being cobbled together from various sources, the fuselage being a reworked Fujimi one complete with the blower intake for the mk 19...

I definitely did a PR19 wearing Norwegian roundels some years back.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on July 29, 2021, 10:10:59 am
The mk 23 was a pressurized version of the mk 22 with the longer span tips on the 20 series wing seen on the early prototypes of the F.21, according to the Morgan/Shacklady book Spitfire: The History, and would have been called the Valiant.  Spiteful is a completely separate development.

I did have a cunning plan to swap the wing from the CMR F.21 "Victor" with that of the Legato resin Spitfire F.22, the masters for the latter being cobbled together from various sources, the fuselage being a reworked Fujimi one complete with the blower intake for the mk 19...

I definitely did a PR19 wearing Norwegian roundels some years back.

Sadly I don't yet have the "Spitfire Bible" in my Library, But yesterday I rectified that by buying a 2nd hand example for a not too exorbitant (I hope) Ä52,
which should reach me in the next 10 days. It said its condition was "Sehr Gut" I guess I'll find out next time I'm home...
Hopefully lots of intersting stuff in it. <_<
So until then Spitfire production is on Hold.

No modelling, unfortunately as we "Had" to go to IKEA to get some stuff for Mrs Talleng's new Home Office, however I managed to pick up set of small storage drawers which may or may not help in restoring order to the Chaos that is the modelling Den.
Judging by Mrs Talleng's raised eyebrows at my thought that I could bring order where Chaos reigns... possibly not :rolleyes:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on July 30, 2021, 05:04:29 am
however I managed to pick up set of small storage drawers which may or may not help in restoring order to the Chaos that is the modelling Den.
Judging by Mrs Talleng's raised eyebrows at my thought that I could bring order where Chaos reigns... possibly not :rolleyes:

Regards
Keith

 ;D ;D

I miss Ikea (we used to have one in Croydon) really useful for things like those storage drawers etc. You could always find a few guys just browsing in there, that was the problem, loads of browsing not enough buying.  :-\ The store wasn't large enough really
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: Nick on July 30, 2021, 07:06:27 am
however I managed to pick up set of small storage drawers which may or may not help in restoring order to the Chaos that is the modelling Den.
Judging by Mrs Talleng's raised eyebrows at my thought that I could bring order where Chaos reigns... possibly not :rolleyes:

Regards
Keith

 ;D ;D

I miss Ikea (we used to have one in Croydon) really useful for things like those storage drawers etc. You could always find a few guys just browsing in there, that was the problem, loads of browsing not enough buying.  :-\ The store wasn't large enough really

Isn't it still on Purley Way? I'm sure a girl I know said she went there last month.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on July 30, 2021, 08:13:26 am
however I managed to pick up set of small storage drawers which may or may not help in restoring order to the Chaos that is the modelling Den.
Judging by Mrs Talleng's raised eyebrows at my thought that I could bring order where Chaos reigns... possibly not :rolleyes:

Regards
Keith

 ;D ;D

I miss Ikea (we used to have one in Croydon) really useful for things like those storage drawers etc. You could always find a few guys just browsing in there, that was the problem, loads of browsing not enough buying.  :-\ The store wasn't large enough really

Isn't it still on Purley Way? I'm sure a girl I know said she went there last month.

Yup, which is great if you drive, but not if you don't. There used to be one in the Whitgift Centre which was ideal for DIY stuff etc.
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on September 14, 2021, 09:06:32 am
So after only a months absence some modelling has occurred ;D
I've started the Eduard F-6D Mustang in 1/48th in the general direction of a PR bird for the RAF, so possibly appearing in the GB of that name, or not...
I can't quite work out what the RAF would be wanting with a PR Mustang, apart from VLR operations to do with Tiger Force in the Pacific. So whilst construction continues all be it slowly as I don't have a back story for it (call it a reason for being) although I do have a colour scheme in mind and most of the Markings sorted,
make of that what you will  :rolleyes:
On another note I've received my copy of "Spitfire the History" by Morgan and Shacklady, sometimes referred to as 'The Bible' by some  ;D
I've been dipping in and out of it as its not a read it all at once book. (i can't find a Mk.20 Spitfire though?)
and on that note I've started an Airfix Spitfire 22/24 with regard to making a reconnaissance version. I've added Eduard Spitfire HF wing tips to extend the span (up to 40' over 36' I think) I've also removed the little bumps on the wing that the wooksta says are for a SeaFire and of course shaved off the the cannon blisters.
The trouble is to me the best looking Spitfires are the ones with the 'High' back fuselage, especially the Griffon engined ones.
So I'm thinking of combining the Airfix PR.XIX fuselage and the Airfix F.22/24 wings Which I've done before to get an FR.21, so i know that works.
Now I'm sure the @Wooksta will be along shortly to tell me there's a better way of producing what is basically a Spitfire 21 with extended wings, but I'm working with what I've got. (I think Special Hobby and AZ did/do one?) The price I paid for both the Airfix kits is way under what a Special Hobby F.21 would cost me, and I've still got a couple of each in the stash.
The other Mod I'm thinking of is adding the Mk.22/24 'Spiteful' type fin and tailplanes to the PR.XIX fuselage, a rough and ready comparison check of both fuselages held together seems to show they pretty much match for width etc.

So to sum up: Airfix PR.XIX Fuselage with Airfix F.22/24 Fin and tailplane, Airfix F.22/24 wings with Eduard 'HF' wing tip extensions, and maybe use the Freightdog Spitfire 24 Conversion Kit for the Larger 11'10" Jablo prop, replacement wheels and revised undercarriage doors. now all I need is a Mark number, which brings me neatly to the Spitfire PR.XX I think...

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on September 15, 2021, 01:27:13 pm
What! more stuff done  :mellow:
Indeed I've managed to find a bit of Mojo it seems  ;D
The Spitfire has its own thread on the Recce & Surveillance GB: https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?board=202.0
And I've done a bit more to the Eduard Foto Mustang, a Kit with many, many pieces....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51480529985_b8f0e1be76_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2mrab1z)Mustang F.6D (https://flic.kr/p/2mrab1z) by  (https://www.flickr.com/photos/155882726@N06/), on Flickr

I now know a user and a fairly nebulous reason why, I just need to check what sort of comouflage might have been worn.
If this carries on it might also get its own build thread....

TTFN
more modelling calls
Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on September 17, 2021, 06:02:04 am
Nice work on the Mustang interior  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on September 17, 2021, 12:56:04 pm
It does look nice I'll agree, but its quite a lot of detail work, and if I'm honest I probably haven't got the best out of it.
But I do like the etched seat belts. I've also tried one of Eduards 3D printed decal sets (Eduard spAce) and I'm not sure
about it. I think the Etched Zoom or Weekend Seatbelt/Instrument panels are probably better.
(I feel I should mention the kit is 1/48 scale)
somebody said Eduard kits can be a bit over engineered. That's probably correct but you wouldn't get the details or variants
otherwise.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: NARSES2 on September 18, 2021, 12:44:17 am
I've also tried one of Eduards 3D printed decal sets (Eduard spAce) and I'm not sure
about it. I think the Etched Zoom or Weekend Seatbelt/Instrument panels are probably better.


Regards
Keith

I agree re the 3D printed seatbelts Keith. I've not seen Eduard's but I have got some by Kitsworld and they don't look quite right ? I suppose the technology can only improve though.

As for instrument panels, have you seen those by Yahu ? No fuss, they come as one piece so are a very simple replacement for the existing part.

Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TallEng on September 20, 2021, 02:03:22 pm
Had one of those weekends....
two steps forward...
Put some Matt varnish on the interior of the Foto Mustang- which slowly but surely dried GLOSS!!
So I put that in the corner and frowned at it :banghead:
Almost snapped one of the wingtips off the Spitfire PR.XX so had to glue that back on.
Positively though, put the U/C on the Lightning FGA.?? (not sure what Mk number it should be?)
Lightning F.6, then T7 obviously, then F.8, which gives me FGA.9  ;D
I have however lost the ejector seat...
on the otherhand wasted over 1 hour looking for the transfers for my 213Sqn Jet Provost, ended up raiding
another Boxing for stencils and roundels.
Can you tell my workbench may not be as tidy as it should be :rolleyes:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 23, 2021, 01:00:27 am
Shame about that glatt finish!  ;D

(I'll see myself out)

Title: Re: TallEng's Modelling musing
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 23, 2021, 04:05:36 pm
So after only a months absence some modelling has occurred ;D
I've started the Eduard F-6D Mustang in 1/48th in the general direction of a PR bird for the RAF, so possibly appearing in the GB of that name, or not...
I can't quite work out what the RAF would be wanting with a PR Mustang, apart from VLR operations to do with Tiger Force in the Pacific. So whilst construction continues all be it slowly as I don't have a back story for it (call it a reason for being) although I do have a colour scheme in mind and most of the Markings sorted,
make of that what you will  :rolleyes:
On another note I've received my copy of "Spitfire the History" by Morgan and Shacklady, sometimes referred to as 'The Bible' by some  ;D
I've been dipping in and out of it as its not a read it all at once book. (i can't find a Mk.20 Spitfire though?)p
and on that note I've started an Airfix Spitfire 22/24 with regard to making a reconnaissance version. I've added Eduard Spitfire HF wing tips to extend the span (up to 40' over 36' I think) I've also removed the little bumps on the wing that the wooksta says are for a SeaFire and of course shaved off the the cannon blisters.
The trouble is to me the best looking Spitfires are the ones with the 'High' back fuselage, especially the Griffon engined ones.
So I'm thinking of combining the Airfix PR.XIX fuselage and the Airfix F.22/24 wings Which I've done before to get an FR.21, so i know that works.
Now I'm sure the @Wooksta will be along shortly to tell me there's a better way of producing what is basically a Spitfire 21 with extended wings, but I'm working with what I've got. (I think Special Hobby and AZ did/do one?) The price I paid for both the Airfix kits is way under what a Special Hobby F.21 would cost me, and I've still got a couple of each in the stash.
The other Mod I'm thinking of is adding the Mk.22/24 'Spiteful' type fin and tailplanes to the PR.XIX fuselage, a rough and ready comparison check of both fuselages held together seems to show they pretty much match for width etc.

So to sum up: Airfix PR.XIX Fuselage with Airfix F.22/24 Fin and tailplane, Airfix F.22/24 wings with Eduard 'HF' wing tip extensions, and maybe use the Freightdog Spitfire 24 Conversion Kit for the Larger 11'10" Jablo prop, replacement wheels and revised undercarriage doors. now all I need is a Mark number, which brings me neatly to the Spitfire PR.XX I think...

Regards
Keith

I'm not sure which blisters on the wing you mean.  If it was the older wing with the heart shaped blisters, that's a post war mod starting in July 45 to do with changing the wheel tracking to avoid excessive wear on the tyres on concrete runways. That needs removing for wartime aircraft.

The wheel blisters on the Airfix 22 are bang on, the only Seafire feature on the kit is the raised squares on the engine cowlings  at the bottom in the corner above the wing fillet in front of the firewall.

As for the best way to a an F.21? Airfix PR.19 with wings and undercarriage from the F22. Fighter canopy from Falcon.  Simple and easy.
CMR do an F21 with the long span wing - the 20 series wing is basically a tidied up HF.VIII wing according to John Adams, so a 22 wing with the Eduard HF tips is the easy and cheap way.