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Title: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Devilfish on January 23, 2020, 01:40:07 am
I picked up a 1/48 Hobbycraft Arrow on E-bay a few months ago...

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So I got some resin for it...

Cockpit, wheel wells and intakes/exhaust

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The only trouble is, I think they were designed for the retooled kit, which this isn't.

Never mind....just takes a bit more work!!

I also bought so reference material

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First job is to remove the locators for the original cockpit (I say that loosely)
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And cut out the nose wheel bay

And here's my first problem....

The kit item is back to front...or side to side...whatever...it's the wrong way around...

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So I've just cut it out "square" and I'll sort it out later...

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I've also started on the main wheel bays..

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Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 23, 2020, 04:29:45 am
An AWESOME machine indeed!

I'm keeping my eye on your build as I have a couple of 1/72 vacform Arrows (thanks Robert  :thumbsup:) that I really should build before much longer.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Captain Canada on January 23, 2020, 09:37:29 am
Nice ! I'll be watching this one as well. I have most of those resin upgrade kits, not sure which one I'm missing. I had always wanted to build one operational using them. I also have the newer tooled kit. I recall at the time it was nice, but not a lot of bang for your buck compared to the original !

Cheers
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on January 23, 2020, 11:34:01 pm
As i couldn't find my Dremel last night, I had to continue by hand, so not as much done as I'd hoped....

Cockpit walls and nose bay fitted....

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Had to make a top for the nose bay, as it doesn't come with one, due to the way it's moulded.

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Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Captain Canada on January 24, 2020, 01:29:12 pm
It's still progress ! This is gonna be good....

 :wub:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on January 26, 2020, 11:21:40 pm
Well, I didn't expect this to be a simple build, despite, or maybe because of, the simplicity of the kit, but omg!!!!



The fuselage has a warp so big, I swear I saw Capt Kirk!!



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And the resin is really thin in places....



This is the cockpit floor.


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And then there's the fit.  I had suspected that the resin was for the newer retooled kit, but I didn't expect it to be as different as it is....Nothing fits!



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But, I have a cunning plan....



At least for the exhausts.  I will remove the very thin exhaust surrounds and replace them with plactic tube of the correct diameter.   Not sure what to do about the intakes yet....
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Scotaidh on January 27, 2020, 01:42:22 am
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But, I have a cunning plan....

At least for the exhausts.  I will remove the very thin exhaust surrounds and replace them with plactic tube of the correct diameter.   Not sure what to do about the intakes yet....

I would suggest cutting them about here ->

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then fill & etc.  Is that not a part of your cunning plan?

Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on January 27, 2020, 02:28:30 am
<snip>

But, I have a cunning plan....

At least for the exhausts.  I will remove the very thin exhaust surrounds and replace them with plactic tube of the correct diameter.   Not sure what to do about the intakes yet....

I would suggest cutting them about here ->



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then fill & etc.  Is that not a part of your cunning plan?

If I did that, I might as well use the original kit ones. I might do anyway, as looking at photos of the real thing, they seem to be more rounded top and bottom than either the kit or resin parts are, so surgery will be needed no matter what.

As for the exhausts, I plan to find some larger diameter plastic tube and replace them.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: The Rat on January 27, 2020, 05:07:03 pm
And thus the name Hobbycrap was born!  ;D

They tried, they really did, but they needed better researchers and quality control people. If I recall correctly, they got the flap actuators upside down as well. The old Aurora kit was probably just as good/bad, and it dates from the time the plane was still flying!
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Captain Canada on January 27, 2020, 06:13:05 pm
Ouch ! Is that ever different ! Remind me when I get home to dig out the new mold kit and see what they fit like !
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on January 27, 2020, 11:46:35 pm
And thus the name Hobbycrap was born!  ;D

They tried, they really did, but they needed better researchers and quality control people. If I recall correctly, they got the flap actuators upside down as well. The old Aurora kit was probably just as good/bad, and it dates from the time the plane was still flying!

Luckily mine is the updated old mould, which has them on the bottom, where they are supposed to be.

I suppose it's quite hard to research something when your government ordered all documents destroyed.  Give them their dues, it's an injection moulded Arrow, no matter how bad!
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Captain Canada on January 28, 2020, 09:49:39 am
Amen to that ! And they can be built into a nice representation by a little scratch building and beer.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on March 11, 2020, 12:39:11 am
Dug this one out again.  Sanded back the main wheel bays and upper wing until things almost fit.....

Managed to get the wings together....

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Seats in....

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Canopy on and masked

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All that detail now lost, lol

Wings and tail on (if only it was that simple!)

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Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Captain Canada on March 11, 2020, 04:47:54 am
Great job ! It's crazy how something as simple as a coat of gray primer can have such a effect.....she looks sleek and ready for ops !
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: NARSES2 on March 11, 2020, 06:59:31 am
Great job ! It's crazy how something as simple as a coat of gray primer can have such a effect.....she looks sleek and ready for ops !

Very true
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on March 16, 2020, 02:10:25 am
The issue with the exhausts has been resolved by raiding the spares box, and digging out some F-111 nozzles.

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Some cutting and filling later....

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As for the rest, it has been painted and decalled....

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Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: chrisonord on March 16, 2020, 06:01:00 am
Liking this lots  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: NARSES2 on March 16, 2020, 07:05:03 am
Looking good.

I'm always surprised by how big an aeroplane she was.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on March 16, 2020, 07:27:50 am
Looking good.

I'm always surprised by how big an aeroplane she was.

It's around TSR2 size. 

I'm beginning to wish I'd taken a bit more time and opened up one of the missile bays.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: NARSES2 on March 16, 2020, 07:36:27 am
Looking good.

I'm always surprised by how big an aeroplane she was.

It's around TSR2 size. 


It's that massive wing that makes her look so big I think ? Mind you being as my favourite period for aircraft is probably 1935 to 1945 most 50's fighters/interceptors look huge
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: kitbasher on March 16, 2020, 01:28:43 pm
Yer canít go wrong with an Arrow.  Looks great, Iíve a 1/72 first mould on the go, RAF too.  Was thinking 23 Sqn.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: kitnut617 on March 16, 2020, 02:53:12 pm
Looking good.

I'm always surprised by how big an aeroplane she was.

It's around TSR2 size. 


It's that massive wing that makes her look so big I think ? Mind you being as my favourite period for aircraft is probably 1935 to 1945 most 50's fighters/interceptors look huge

It's more comparable with the Fairey Delta III Chris.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: chrisonord on March 16, 2020, 03:24:07 pm
The  type  559 is as big fuselage wise, I  dare say  one  with a big set of Delta wings  would  look the part.
Chris
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on March 18, 2020, 05:41:01 am
Because of the new wheel bays, I've had to modify the kit undercarriage to fit.
The nose leg got a V shaped top end, as on the original, and a hydraulic strut, as well as having the wheel axle narrowed to more realistic dimensions. Resin Lightning nose wheels were fitted. Also, the cylindrical thing was moved offset the centreline. It's not exactly accurate, but it's better than it was.  I just need to add the landing lights.

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The main legs were stripped of ancillary struts as the kit has them completely wrong.  The leg was drilled and pinned then fitted, and the first strut refitted in the right place. The other strut was replaced with a hydraulic actuator from the spares box.  I just need to add the resin Lightning main wheels, slightly further apart than the kit ones, as they are a bit bigger...

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I'm hoping these spindly long legs will support the weight.

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Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Old Wombat on March 18, 2020, 05:48:26 am
Man, how spindly does that undercarriage look!? :o
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1
Post by: Devilfish on March 18, 2020, 07:13:40 am
Man, how spindly does that undercarriage look!? :o

Yea. If I take this to shows (when they start back up), i will have to make a jig for it to sit in while in the box, or it'll snap off.
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Devilfish on March 20, 2020, 12:00:05 am
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Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: kitbasher on March 20, 2020, 12:20:53 am
Excellent  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 20, 2020, 12:24:07 am
Terrific job there!  :thumbsup:

The RAF scheme really suits the Arrow, and the last pic shows what a HUGE aeroplane it was!  :o
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Old Wombat on March 20, 2020, 12:34:32 am
Terrific job there!  :thumbsup:

The RAF scheme really suits the Arrow, and the last pic shows what a HUGE aeroplane it was!  :o

+1, exactly! :thumbsup:

And, of course, how spindly that undercarriage is! I'd be nervous of it collapsing in a stiff breeze, let alone taking the impact of take-off & landing forces! :o
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: TomZ on March 20, 2020, 01:01:45 am
Looks spectacular!

TomZ
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 20, 2020, 01:11:22 am
The RAF scheme really suits the Arrow,...

Second that! Reminds me of an Arrow kit that I have stashed away somewhere, too...
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: DogfighterZen on March 20, 2020, 02:04:34 am
Very nice work!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: silverwindblade on March 20, 2020, 04:00:03 am
Excellent, I love it!
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: NARSES2 on March 20, 2020, 07:28:23 am
Really come out well. Well done sir  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: jalles on March 20, 2020, 02:05:10 pm
Dang, that is beautiful, nice job!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Leading Observer on March 20, 2020, 03:47:44 pm
Fantastic work :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: The Rat on March 20, 2020, 04:03:04 pm
My Canadian heart is throbbing proudly! WINNER! :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Captain Canada on March 30, 2020, 05:55:35 pm
Wow ! Did that ever turn out nice ! Great job. So big eh !
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: loupgarou on March 30, 2020, 11:39:14 pm
Beautiful aircraft and beautiful job!
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on March 30, 2020, 11:53:46 pm
Well that's just a massive pile of gorgeous!!!   :wub: :thumbsup: 

Beautiful work! 
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Cobra on March 31, 2020, 12:08:48 am
Awesome Job :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: No Offense but....Top Gun Eh? this is a Well Planned,Well Arranged,and Well Done Build! Keep up the Superb Work :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Hobbes on March 31, 2020, 12:27:44 am
Well done  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Scooterman on March 31, 2020, 11:12:52 am
Oh yes, me likie a lot!
Title: Re: Avro Arrow F.1 (Finished)
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on March 31, 2020, 12:53:13 pm
That really looks a magnificent beast! :thumbsup: