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GROUP BUILDS => The Out of Retirement G.B. => Topic started by: Dizzyfugu on November 17, 2019, 08:31:25 am

Title: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 17, 2019, 08:31:25 am
I shroud this fourth contribution in some mists of mystery, because it is NOT going to be a classic model kit. Yet, it will be a whiffy model that fits well into this GB.  ;)
Title: Re: And now for something completely different...
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 25, 2019, 12:47:08 am
Due to unexpected procurement problems, this one will be delayed - and I started an alternative build (outside of the GB).
Title: Re: And now for something completely different...
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 27, 2019, 07:12:13 am
Good news: the supply chain started moving again, work might start soon - even though there won't be WiP pics.
Title: Re: And now for something completely different...
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 03, 2019, 12:14:37 am
Things started moving here, after the "interim build" has been finished. First measure: deconstruction of the object and a bath in foamed oven cleaner for the next couple of days in order to get rid of the original paint.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49174255911_f06b76cc5c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmV5t)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmV5t) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: And now for something completely different...
Post by: Rick Lowe on December 03, 2019, 12:19:09 am
Tease...
Title: Re: And now for something completely different...
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 03, 2019, 12:26:31 am
Yes, and this one will be a (relative) slow-mover, I guess.
Title: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 03, 2019, 05:40:00 am
Well, in order to reduce the pressure and the tension, here's what this one will be/is about:

(https://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/1f5x-c7.jpg)

Yes, this time it's a model railroad whif, H0 scale.  :wacko:

The basis is a Märklin BR 216 (#3075 to be exact), which will see a new livery and operator, but hopefully also some cosmetic modifications.
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: tigercat on December 03, 2019, 05:51:10 am
Was your train delayed by leaves on the line ?
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: NARSES2 on December 03, 2019, 06:00:14 am
Was your train delayed by leaves on the line ?

More likely it's in SWR livery  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: Rheged on December 03, 2019, 11:21:21 am
That would look good in Caledonian Railway blue!!

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQohlCY2Vk8KYlt3wfLk2ror1At8g%3A1575400787296&source=hp&ei=U7XmXabvD6mdlwSWgK7YAw&q=caledonian+railway+livery&oq=caledonian+railway+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.4.0l10.1595.9066..13498...1.0..0.573.3534.10j2j3j2j0j2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131.i62nWqZeiZk#spf=1575400804577 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQohlCY2Vk8KYlt3wfLk2ror1At8g%3A1575400787296&source=hp&ei=U7XmXabvD6mdlwSWgK7YAw&q=caledonian+railway+livery&oq=caledonian+railway+&gs_l=psy-ab.1.4.0l10.1595.9066..13498...1.0..0.573.3534.10j2j3j2j0j2......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131.i62nWqZeiZk#spf=1575400804577)

....and I'm claiming the prize for the longest  link entered today!
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: JayBee on December 03, 2019, 11:24:18 am
Aye but well worth it laddie.
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 03, 2019, 11:55:05 am

Was your train delayed by leaves on the line ?


Or the wrong kind of snow...…………... ;)

Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: Rheged on December 03, 2019, 12:29:45 pm
Or, as announced after high seas at Dawlish Warren, the wrong sort of boat on the line!
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: NARSES2 on December 04, 2019, 01:58:56 am
Or, as announced after high seas at Dawlish Warren, the wrong sort of boat on the line!

I saw that  :o

I love that bit of the line to Torquay, but in all honesty have no idea what possessed them to build it there in the first place ? Although maybe there was no other option.

I see they now want to ruin the beach by moving the track away from the cliffs and out to sea, but that would mean burying the beach under concrete.
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 04, 2019, 02:29:18 am
While others work thorugh their traumatic railroad experiences, things make slow progress here. While the upper hull is resting in the oven cleaner bath now, I worked on the metal chassis. The bogies were disassembled and I started re-painting, since there will be no constructive change in the lower areas. Unlike the OOB version, "my" version will receive a mild weathering treatment, with some dirt and dust esp. on the lower areas.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49174255551_644c6d6211_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmUYg)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmUYg) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49174255241_f54fdff34b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmUSV)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmUSV) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 04, 2019, 11:50:22 am

I love that bit of the line to Torquay, but in all honesty have no idea what possessed them to build it there in the first place ? Although maybe there was no other option.

I see they now want to ruin the beach by moving the track away from the cliffs and out to sea, but that would mean burying the beach under concrete.


It was Brunel who did it, and it was the easiest option as any further inland would have meant very steep grades.
Title: Re: Something completely different... a revived ex DB 216 class
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 04, 2019, 11:41:17 pm
More progress yesterday, I started work on the upper hull. The paint on the locomotive turned out to be thick and and very resilient, so a lot of classic wet sanding is necessary. Nevertheless, some cosmetic work (e. g. getting rid of the trim around the upper row of louvers, different headlights in style with the "new" operator) is under way. At the moment, the locomotive's body has a dedicated Mad Max touch!

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49173768463_281215d6ef_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVjqbc)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVjqbc) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49174254506_516cfc9783_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmUEf)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVmUEf) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49174471627_ecefbd186f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVo2cH)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hVo2cH) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 05, 2019, 10:38:07 am
Just added WiP pics.  :lol:
Title: Re: A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Hobbes on December 05, 2019, 10:51:08 am
Those are some pretty big headlights.
Title: Re: A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: loupgarou on December 05, 2019, 10:55:06 am
Nice to see something different in a group build. Aircraft have a nearly absolute domination.
Given the monster headlights, I presume you're planning a country that never sees the sun.  ;)
BTW, strength/hardness of paint is logical, considering that trains are to be handled VERY MUCH.
Do you have a layout to run it on?
Title: Re: A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 05, 2019, 11:25:52 am
Those are some pretty big headlights.

Yes, reminds of a VW T2 bus  ;). But, as will be revealed soon, this detail is "authentic" for what I want to create...  :wacko: Not certain about the sunlight problem - I have been there, and there was daylight! No idea about the reason for these things.

Unfortunately, I do not have a proper railroad set (space issue, and also budget reasons) anymore, just a test oval for maintenance. Not certain if there will be beauty pics for this one, even though I'd love to set the finished item into scene!
Title: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 07, 2019, 01:13:44 am
Here's a final interim picture from the body work process...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49181975302_dd5742c772_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hW3tMq)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hW3tMq) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

...and, with coat of grey primer, thing do not look bad at all, even though I will have to take care of some small flaws (e .g. at the headlamps):

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49181975127_8c3950e80c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hW3tJp)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2hW3tJp) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 08, 2019, 02:08:03 am
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49186348628_997bf93547_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hWqTPA)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hWqTPA) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49187041742_342964192b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hWurRQ)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hWurRQ) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 08, 2019, 06:53:34 am
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49187403293_5d8c81bf76_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hWwikt)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hWwikt) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: rickshaw on December 08, 2019, 04:33:43 pm
Going to be exported downunder for use by Australian National Railways?   :o
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 08, 2019, 11:58:52 pm
No, not that far away from Germany...  ;)

But I agree, with the two (garish) greens and the yellow fronts, the V 160 has now a certain, very British look! Unintentional, though, since the livery was/is inspired by (current) real world locomotives.

What actually worked very well was the change of the headlights. Not only did the cosmetic surgery stunt work, the "face" has also been changed enough that the V 160 heritage is not obvious at first sight. The livery helps, too.
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: loupgarou on December 09, 2019, 12:05:36 am
Hmmm... a country where BIG headlights are necessary, at least for much of the year, and green is a rare colour? Svalbard Islands National Railways?
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 09, 2019, 01:13:49 am
It's more common than you'd think! It will become a DE 1504 unit of the PKP (Polskie Koleje Państwowe; Polish State Railways), under the designation SU-29.

Here's some inspiration/reference (note the surreal green tones):

(https://live.staticflickr.com/5173/5390700243_910fe674fd_b.jpg)

(https://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/8/3/8/2838.1190894400.jpg)

(http://rail.phototrans.eu/images/photos/big/5/61921.jpg)


The large headlights have a long tradition: these were already featured on steam locomotives after WWII:

(http://www.parowozy.com.pl/ty2406_1.jpg)


The original idea for this build/conversion came from an different corner though: while searching for fictional locomotives I came across a bunch of BR 216s in a wide range of European liveries, apparently offered in gift or starter packs from Piko and Roco. There were even two Polish versions, but both looked totally "cheap" and ugly (they were rather intended as toys than collector items, I might add pics if I can find them again) - so I thought: "This could be done (much) better". And at the moment things are looking quite good!
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: NARSES2 on December 09, 2019, 07:08:08 am
Kit will know, but weren't some British Rail loco's in that scheme ? (As well as the dark blue and yellow)
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 09, 2019, 07:24:49 am
Yes, there's a certain British twist to the livery!
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: ChernayaAkula on December 09, 2019, 08:59:36 am
Wow! Incredible how changing the headlights changes the overall look.  :o
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 09, 2019, 09:32:33 am

Kit will know, but weren't some British Rail loco's in that scheme ? (As well as the dark blue and yellow)


Sort of.

Many early BR diesels were all over darkish green, with various sizes of yellow panels added to the noses later on. Some, like the Class 31s and 55s, had a two tone green scheme with a lighter band quite high up on the bodyside.

Then they all went blue with yellow noses.
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Captain Canada on December 09, 2019, 07:42:39 pm
Very cool ! Defo a neat thing to see around here. Cheers !
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: NARSES2 on December 10, 2019, 06:28:09 am

Kit will know, but weren't some British Rail loco's in that scheme ? (As well as the dark blue and yellow)


Sort of.

Many early BR diesels were all over darkish green, with various sizes of yellow panels added to the noses later on.

Obviously what I'm thinking of. Cheers mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 10, 2019, 08:28:02 am
BR Class 55 ("Deltic") in an early green livery (now museum exhibit):

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/91/0e/5d/910e5d3ed668aa3584f0617a88baf1ee--barrow-diesel.jpg)

A Class 31 Kit mentioned:

(https://www.peterboroughimages.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/d5587-1968.jpg)

And, finally, a BR Class 42, which was actually based on a German V 200:

(https://alchetron.com/cdn/british-rail-class-42-00f05dfe-4f82-4b96-bd15-7dc0d9779da-resize-750.jpg)



Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 10, 2019, 10:20:42 am

And, finally, a BR Class 42, which was actually based on a German V 200:

(https://alchetron.com/cdn/british-rail-class-42-00f05dfe-4f82-4b96-bd15-7dc0d9779da-resize-750.jpg)


YEEEAAAAH! It's 832 'Onslaught'!  :thumbsup:

We had 832 at the Tech Centre for some years, and it was intended to be a test bed for the APT-P power bogies and anti-tilt pantograph, but that never happened and it was eventually sold into private hands and was restored to one of the few running Warship Class locos today.

Even better, when it was delivered to the Tech Centre it was quite late at night and some of us were working on POP-Train at the time, and I was the senior grade available so I had to sign it in! My signature's still in the loco log book to this day!  ;D
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 11, 2019, 01:39:46 am
Some further progress; work is now focussed on details and weathering, and I started putting decals on it. This revealed that I have to order some other letter decals, because the ones I originally organized for the PKP V 160 turned out to be too large.

Here the louvers receive a treatment with black ink, so that they stand out a bit more (esp. on the light green area):

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49200270771_19cf249fa2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hXEfox)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hXEfox) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


A little later, with more weathering, painted hand rails and added handles (wire) on the front corners:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49199778308_928ca6bfe7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hXBHZN)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hXBHZN) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


And, finally, a glimpse at the original inspiration for this build: this are two independent whiffy H0 V 160s in fishy PKP liveries from Piko (above) and Roco (below) from starter/gift packs. IMHO, both are rather poor attempts, and the Roco model even has a totally wrong (fictional) serial number, because it would indicate a diesel locomotive with electric transmission, not a hydraulic system. Furthermore, both are simplified, rather toy-like models.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49199790463_5a1201b3ba_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hXBMBn)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - Inspiration (https://flic.kr/p/2hXBMBn) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


As a side note, there must have been a LOT of different fictional V 160s of this kind around, from different, country-specific starter boxes for all across Europe. For anyone who is interested in this exotic topic, here's a link to an overview website, pushed thorugh a translator:

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahnwahn.de%2Frocodb215%2FUnmogliches%2Funmogliches.html
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 11, 2019, 05:20:23 am
That's looking pretty good Thomas, the colour scheme really suits the shape of the loco.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WiP +++ Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 11, 2019, 06:12:44 am
Well, the plan was/is to create a "better fake PKP V 160", and so far things are looking (literally) good.  :lol:
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 11, 2019, 11:43:28 pm
Some more impressions from the slow work; here's the decal session from the front ends...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49204824116_6fa432a10e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hY4zWu)A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hY4zWu) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

...and here's a look of the hull (windows still missing),mounted loosely onto the chassis, with some more decals and stencils. Looks purposeful! I currently wait for 2mm letter ins silver for registration codes on the flanks.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49204339473_9d516efd70_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hY26Sz)A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hY26Sz) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: loupgarou on December 12, 2019, 02:47:01 am
Yes, most decidedly a polish look.
Very good, even if was hoping for some far-fetched and unlikely country.  ;)
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Snowtrooper on December 12, 2019, 04:24:51 am
Very good, even if was hoping for some far-fetched and unlikely country.  ;)
The same - for some reason, I half expected this to become a post-apocalyptic armoured train, so a subtle whiffing (looking even more realistic than the average non-whiffy model railways do) was certainly a surprise ;D
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 13, 2019, 12:02:52 am
The new decals arrived overnight - but unfortunately these were 3mm size instead of the ordered 2mm...  :-\ I used them anyway - and with some more weathering around the hull the SU-29 is ready for a final coat of varnish. Looking forward to see it finished with the windows re-fitted, but the potential beauty pics worry me. Maybe I'll try my skills at some composing pics, because I won't be able to satisfactorily shoot scenes in the usual way.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49208979738_2b742eb392_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hYqTg9)
A Deutsche Bundesbahn Class V160 under foreign flag...  (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2hYqTg9) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 14, 2019, 09:40:14 am
No new pics, but the varnish session has been successfully finished. With an even, matt surface, the  SU-29 looks even better now!  :lol:
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 15, 2019, 04:08:03 am
Finishing touches on the way - currently trying to create glasses for the oversized headlights with ClearFix. The stuff takes a while to cure, due to the the sheer size and depth of the lamps, but it seems to work and looks very good!  ;D

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49237167273_538cff5bcc_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1Vmr8)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) - WiP (https://flic.kr/p/2i1Vmr8) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 15, 2019, 11:44:30 pm
Slight heart attack on the final straight because the upper hull would not fit onto the chassis anymore!  :-\
No idea where the problem lies - I suspected the wire rails at the front and clipped them on the inside. That, and some soft force, eventually made the pieces match again, the screw in the roof now holds everything in place. Whew...
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 16, 2019, 06:18:27 am
It's horrible when something like that happens. Especially when you can't work out why  :unsure:
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: zenrat on December 17, 2019, 02:22:46 am
You stripped the paint with oven cleaner?
When stripping with brake fluid it causes plasticisers to leach out of the styrene leading to shrinkage and embrittlement if parts are left in too long.
Oven cleaner is IIUC caustic soda based and could I suppose cause similar issues. 
Where is an industrial chemist when you need one...
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: loupgarou on December 17, 2019, 05:32:33 am
You stripped the paint with oven cleaner?
When stripping with brake fluid it causes plasticisers to leach out of the styrene leading to shrinkage and embrittlement if parts are left in too long.
Oven cleaner is IIUC caustic soda based and could I suppose cause similar issues. 
Where is an industrial chemist when you need one...

Brake fluids and oven cleaners have a very different composition.
Brake fluids have (among other things) organic solvents that cause brittleness in plastic,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_fluid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycol_ethers
while caustic soda shouldn't cause that problem. Oven cleaners can include other products or solvents, so I prefer to use products for plugged drains, the more soda the better. Even better, a drain unplugger in crystal form, or, if you can find it, pure caustic soda. Used to be available in DIY stores, but I am afraid it's now forbidden.
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 17, 2019, 06:00:21 am

while caustic soda shouldn't cause that problem. Oven cleaners can include other products or solvents, so I prefer to use products for plugged drains, the more soda the better. Even better, a drain unplugger in crystal form, or, if you can find it, pure caustic soda. Used to be available in DIY stores, but I am afraid it's now forbidden.

I've had used the stuff you use to clear drains as well, worked well  :thumbsup:

Didn't realise caustic soda was banned, although it doesn't surprise me. Could be nasty stuff if not handled correctly. Mind you I wonder how many containers are laying forgotten  in dark corners of garden sheds throughout Europe and beyond  ;)

Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 17, 2019, 07:32:10 am
Brake fluid is VERY aggressive. While effective against old paint, even thick enamel layers, it sucks out the softener from the plastic underneath, leaving it brittle and with a surface as if the parts had been sand-blasted. It's also very messy, the waste is toxic - not recommended.

Oven cleaner foam is much safer, in many respects. I use a soda-based product that creeps under anything. Normal model enamels need a week or two under a foam cover, then most of the old paint can be easily scrubbed off (under flowing water), without harm to the plastic. Even clear parts come out unharmed.

On the Märklin V 160 the method dis not work well, though, because the paint on the model was/is so robust. I guess that oven cleaner foam would have needed six weeks to work properly, if at all!
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: Snowtrooper on December 17, 2019, 09:07:22 am
The soda ban must be a regional thing, because out of curiosity I just checked and caustic soda was available both in 60-90% solution and crystal form without any explosive permits or somesuch here in Finland, but only at hardware stores, not grocery stores or supermarkets. Because if it was banned, how else could you make the traditional Nordic Christmas delicacy, lutefisk? :wacko:

(Spoiler: whitefish marinated in caustic soda looks, tastes, and smells just as disgusting as you would expect. It's rather telling that it does not even have a proper English name, just the Swedish loan word. It's fortunately rarely served at your average Christmas dinner anymore, and only people over 50 seem to like it anyway, so it's about to go the way of the rotary dial telephones.)
Title: Re: WiP +++ DB Class V160 under Polish flag (Class SU-29)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 18, 2019, 06:17:48 am
and crystal form

That's the form my Mum had it in, in a tub under the sink. Memories  <_<
Title: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 18, 2019, 06:42:55 am
Before this drifts into ugly national cuisine discussions, here come the final beuaty shots (sort of, since these are my first attempts to create "real" Photoshop composings instead of my usual WYSIWYG/as-is shots in front of a background poster, this would not work in this case) and the story behind the PKP's class SU-29 diesel-hydraulic locomotives.



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H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCzr) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Some background:
Following good performance from the pioneering diesel-hydraulic locomotive the DB Class V 80, the Deutsche Bundesbahn planned in 1953 to build several types of new diesel locomotive, primarily to replace steam powered locomotives.These were: V 60, and V 65, both shunters, the V 65.2, also for shunting as well as light freight trains, the heavy DB Class V 200, for express passenger trains, and the universal V 160 for both freight and passenger work on the main network.

The new V 160 class was a central piece in this line-up, because it would replace important steam-powered engines such as the BR 03, BR 23, BR 38.10 (former Prussian P 8 class), BR 39 (ex P 10), BR 50, BR 57 (ex G 10) and BR 78 (ex T 18). Steam heating for passenger coaches was necessary, and a top speed of 120 km/h was specified. Initially, a 1,600 hp powerplant, consisting of two engines of the same type as in the light V 80 was planned, the first newly developed diesel locomotive built for main line service by the Deutsche Bundesbahn (but only built in 10 examples). This dual engine arrangement had already been successfully introduced in the heavy V 200, which was initially powered by two 1,000 hp diesel engines. However, it was soon realized, that, if a single, high-powered engine could be used, weight, complexity and therefore maintenance and other costs would be considerably reduced. The V 160’s design was modified accordingly and a single MTU V16 four-stroke diesel engine was chosen. Both two-axle bogies were powered via drive shafts from a two speed hydraulic drive from Voith, which offered a compromise between the requested high speed for light passenger trains and the alternative reduced second gear with lower top speed, but much higher torque, for freight train service. Gears could only be switched when the locomotive was standing still, though.

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H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i215v8) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49238308362_a3eb1a6efd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22cD5)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22cD5) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

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H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22cs3) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


In the spring of 1956, V 160 development began at Krupp. Welded steel components along with other lightweight materials were used to keep the axle load well below 20t, so that the V 160 could be safely operated on secondary lines. However, in the main production series of locomotives, some of the lighter weight welded construction was abandoned in favor of less expensively produced components - leading to an increase in axle weight from ~18.5 to ~20t, which was still acceptable but lowered overall production costs. This was furthermore not regarded as a major problem since the DB perspectively started to abandon branch lines, switching to more economical diesel multiple units or giving them up altogether towards the Seventies.

The first V 160 unit was delivered on 6 August 1960, with eight more following by 1962 from both Krupp and Henschel. These prototype units, due to their rounded, “busty” front end, were later to become unusual amongst the entire V 160 family and earned them the nickname “Lollo” (in allusion to Gina Lollobrigida). A final prototype V 160 010, the tenth, was manufactured by Henschel in 1963 and the first to feature the serial locomotives’ angled front end, which was inspired by the design of the super-heavy V 320 Henschel prototype.

Despite the single main engine, the V 160 was still a complex locomotive. In addition to the main engine, the V 160 featured a small, independent auxiliary diesel engine, driving a generator providing the 110 V electrical supply for lighting as well as driving an electric air compressor for the brakes. The steam heating apparatus, sourced from Hagenuk and powered by fuel oil, took up one end of the locomotive, between the engine and drivers cabin. It had the capacity to satisfactorily heat 10 coaches when the outside temperature was -10°C. For passenger train service, most V 160 locomotives were also equipped for push-pull operation, as well as for multiple working, controlled via a 36 pin control cable and respective sockets on the locomotives front ends.

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H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCjX) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49237612483_f27408432b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCMa)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCMa) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


The prototypes performed well, and volume production began, numbers V 160 011 to V 160 224 being built between 1964 and 1968 by Krupp, Henschel, KHD, Krauss-Maffei and MaK. The first V 160/216 locomotives entered service on the Hamburg to Lübeck line, working push-pull double decked passenger trains, replacing the BR 38.10 and BR 78 steam engines. The engines were also used on freight workings as well. On push-pull passenger working, the locomotives were sometimes found in the middle of the train - which facilitated easier separation of carriages en route.

By the time the 156th example was under completion, the Deutsche Bundesbahn changed its numbering system. From then on, the V 160 class were re-designated as Class (Baureihe = BR) 216, with the individual unit numbering continuing as before. Over the next decade, because of changing requirements – mostly in terms of increased power, speed as well as the requirement for electrical passenger heating – a number of related classes sprang up, the BR 210, 215, 217, 218 and 219. Although some were a little longer and carried additional components (e.g. an auxiliary jet engine), all of them were essentially based on the original V 160 and more than 800 machines of all types were eventually built.

Since the 1990s, the Bundesbahn’s BR 216 locomotives scope of work started to shift more on freight than on passenger trains because of the lack of steam-heated passenger stock. From 2000 onwards, the Deutsche Bahn AG’s BR 216 fleet was phased out, with the last locomotive being decommissioned in 2004.
Several locomotives were sold to private operators like rail construction companies and remained in frequent use, and some retired BR 216s were re-built and offered for sale, too. The first in the series of rebuilt Class 216s was called type “DH 1504” and created in 1998 by the firm 'On Rail'. Despite only little external changes, the result was an almost completely new locomotive, only the transmission, bogies and frame were saved from the original locomotive. The original V16 diesel engine with 1,370 kW (1.900 hp), was replaced with a lighter but more powerful 1500 kW (2,085 hp) V12 four-stroke diesel engine, also from MTU. On customer demand, a new electric Webasto heating system could be installed instead of the original steam heating system, making the DH 1504 capable of operating modern passenger trains, and for this purpose the units were also fitted for multiple working as well as for remote control operation (e.g. for shunting). Another option was additional ballast, so that the axle load could be kept at 20 tons for better traction. Otherwise, 18 t axle load was standard for the revamped DH 1504.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49237611498_6c7539dbf3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCub)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCub) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49238307927_fd343b92f3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22cvz)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22cvz) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Since 1998, 6 of these locomotives were re-built for private operators in Germany. By late 2019, three DH 1504 locomotives were in the use of the Osthannoversche Eisenbahnen (OHE), two work for the Niederrheinische Verkehrsbetriebe (NIAG) and one for the Mindener Kreisbahnen (MKB). However, the biggest sales success for OnRail’s modernized BR 216 was the export to Poland, where the PKP (Polskie Koleje Państwowe, Polish State Railways). After its privatization in 2001, the PKP was looking for a low-cost replacement for its last ST-43 Class diesel electric freight locomotives of Romanian origin, which dated back to the 1960ies. Twenty DH 1504 locomotives for mixed duties were built by OnRail between 2001 and 2005 and entered PKP service as Class SU-29 (spalinowa uniwersalna = mixed-traffic diesel locomotive with hydraulic transmission and multiple-unit control). Their initial primary field of duty was the cross-border freight traffic on the east-west relation on the PKP “Polskie line Kolejowe”, the so-called “Niederschlesische Gütermagistrale”. Since 2005, this route had been expanded, electrified and became double-railed, so that the SU-29s gradually took over more and more passenger train duties on non-electrified major lines. The SU-29 machines are expected to remain in PKP service beyond 2030.



General characteristics:
    Gauge: 1,435 mm (4 ft 8½ in) standard gauge
    UIC axle arrangement: B´B´
    Overall length: 16,800 mm (52 ft 57⁄8 in)
    Pivot distance: 8,600 mm
    Bogie distance: 2,800 mm
    Wheel diameter (when new): 1000 mm
    Fuel supply: 3,800 l
    Service weight: 80 t

Engine:
    MTU 4000R20 V12diesel engine with 1500 kW (2,085 hp) at 1,800 RPM

Gearbox:
    Voith L821rs 2-speed gearbox

Performance:
    Maximum speed: 120 km/h (75 mph) or 80 km/h (50 mph)
    Torque: 235,2 kN



(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49238088591_e3156977d7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i215iV)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i215iV) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49237612953_91238a9b1d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCVg)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XCVg) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49237610118_8e5475b7d6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XC5o)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i1XC5o) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49238305472_07bb4db5a3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22bMf)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22bMf) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49238305947_0af6d6bfc0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22bVr)
H0 scale “SU-29 018” (OnRail DH 1504, ex Deutsche Bundesbahn BR 216) in Polskie Koleje Państwowe (PKP; Polish State Railways) service, 2016 (Whif/modified Märklin 3075) (https://flic.kr/p/2i22bVr) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

A different kind of what-if project, but this has not been my first H0 scale locomotive conversion. The fictional PKP SU-29 looks a bit weird, with the garish paint scheme and the oversized headlights, but this strangeness makes this model IMHO quite convincing. The model is fully functional, even the light works well in the enlarged headlight fairings. Maybe I’ll sell it, since I do not have the appropriate model railway set at hand to effectively use it (which is also the reason for the rather limited scope of pictures of the finished item). And I am curious what people might be willing to pay for such a unique, fictional item?
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: Old Wombat on December 18, 2019, 07:47:07 am
Images are right up there with your aircraft pic's, Dizzy. Really well done! Almost looks real in most of them! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2019, 10:20:03 am
That worked out REALLY well Thomas, and the pics are magnificent, you don't have to worry about your skills in THAT area!  :thumbsup:

It maybe worth targeting Polish customers for selling the model, but I know nothing of the Polish model railway scene of course.

Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: loupgarou on December 18, 2019, 12:04:21 pm
The insertion of your model in real photos came out fantastic!
Did you chose trains with a diesel of the same series as yours?
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: zenrat on December 19, 2019, 02:46:14 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 19, 2019, 02:47:03 am
Thank you all, glad you like it - quite a special topic...

Did you chose trains with a diesel of the same series as yours?

Yes, there's always a BR 216 "behind" my model; I tried to take pics in a matching perspective, but thsi did not always work well or at all. I also found that the camera focus does not always match with the picture, so some more editing was necessary. But for a first "serious" composing attempt I am happy with the results. But I don'gt think that this will become a new standard, it was just a "Plan B" for this case.
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: NARSES2 on December 20, 2019, 07:09:34 am
That really has come out well Thomas  :bow:
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: tigercat on May 02, 2020, 01:04:17 am
catching up , nice to see something different. The photos have worked really well.
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 03, 2020, 02:28:08 am
Thank you, you're too kind with the pics, since these are crude collages - not my home turf, I rather prefer to shoot "as is".
Title: Re: DONE @p.4 +++ PKP Class SU-29; former DB Class V160 under Polish flag
Post by: tigercat on May 03, 2020, 03:54:30 am
I always your backgrounds , it gives an extra dimension to the model .