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Title: RAM's M4A2 Sherman - COMPLETED - Pic's pg.2
Post by: Old Wombat on November 07, 2019, 04:53:38 pm
So, moving on from the F9F-8 Cougar into my preferred field of Armour, I'm going to build something I've never actually built before - a Sherman tank.

Seriously, in all of the years I've been modelling, I've never built an M4 Sherman of any variant. Closest I came was an M3 Grant, back when I was about 11 or 12.

Being me I've already made my first mistake; I trimmed off the casting numbers on the front left hull top next to the driver's hatch. :banghead:

Anyway, enough waffle, this is more a place-holder for when I get past the tedious bit of building the running gear & get into the build proper.


Catch you soon! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 07, 2019, 09:03:34 pm
Oh, by the way, I'm using the Dragon 1/35 USMC M4A2 Late PTO (DR6462) variant as the base for this build which will be mostly OoB.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-c56RsgS/0/9c6d1b22/XL/IMG_2282-XL.jpg)


Below is a photo of the casting numbers I removed last night. :rolleyes:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-xkf6cZB/0/892e95cb/XL/IMG_2281-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: NARSES2 on November 07, 2019, 11:50:49 pm
Sherman designations have always confused me (easily done), looking forward to watching this come together  :thumbsup:

That casting number throws me a little though. The hull seems to be a series of welded plates ? Was that plate cast, rather than rolled, because of the hatch apertures ?

Please note mate that if I don't respond to any reply it's because I'm away at Telford, not being rude and I don't tend to travel with the internet if it's only a few days.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 08, 2019, 01:00:38 am
I'm no expert, either, but the M4A2 is the twin-diesel powered version.

The Chieftain (a.k.a. Nicholas Moran) gives a bit of an explanation in the earlier part of this video, if you want a more professional opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Iirk8Q4Xw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9Iirk8Q4Xw)


PS: Shermans went through a number of construction types of varying levels of cast-&-plate which were, generally, welded together - the original M4s were almost all cast while the last versions were almost all plate.


Edit: Changed out the link for a better one. ;)
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: zenrat on November 08, 2019, 01:35:44 am
Looking at the box art this one appears to be made of wood...
 ;D
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: nighthunter on November 08, 2019, 09:18:50 am
Looking at the box art this one appears to be made of wood...
 ;D
Zen,

The wooden added armor was to prevent Japanese magnetic mines. One of the things I'll be looking for at the local model railroad swap meet this weekend is HO (1/87) wooden siding and planks to put on my build, as well as some brass or plastic tube to make the gun barrel better. The latter is a maybe.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Scotaidh on November 08, 2019, 01:11:39 pm
Looking at the box art this one appears to be made of wood...
 ;D
Zen,

The wooden added armor was to prevent Japanese magnetic mines. One of the things I'll be looking for at the local model railroad swap meet this weekend is HO (1/87) wooden siding and planks to put on my build, as well as some brass or plastic tube to make the gun barrel better. The latter is a maybe.

Why not just use stir sticks?  When I wanted a wooden bed-plate for my hover-truck that's what I did - stir sticks soaked in coffee for 48 hours or so ...
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: nighthunter on November 08, 2019, 01:18:32 pm
Looking at the box art this one appears to be made of wood...
 ;D
Zen,

The wooden added armor was to prevent Japanese magnetic mines. One of the things I'll be looking for at the local model railroad swap meet this weekend is HO (1/87) wooden siding and planks to put on my build, as well as some brass or plastic tube to make the gun barrel better. The latter is a maybe.

Why not just use stir sticks?  When I wanted a wooden bed-plate for my hover-truck that's what I did - stir sticks soaked in coffee for 48 hours or so ...
Scott, are you talking about the coffee stir sticks?
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Scotaidh on November 10, 2019, 08:15:49 am
Looking at the box art this one appears to be made of wood...
 ;D
Zen,

The wooden added armor was to prevent Japanese magnetic mines. One of the things I'll be looking for at the local model railroad swap meet this weekend is HO (1/87) wooden siding and planks to put on my build, as well as some brass or plastic tube to make the gun barrel better. The latter is a maybe.

Why not just use stir sticks?  When I wanted a wooden bed-plate for my hover-truck that's what I did - stir sticks soaked in coffee for 48 hours or so ...
Scott, are you talking about the coffee stir sticks?

Yes. 
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: nighthunter on November 10, 2019, 08:46:57 am
Don't forget the bolts for the planks.
And green stuff for the concrete
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 13, 2019, 07:11:44 pm
Photo's have been rare for this build, I'm afraid, but only because I've been flat-out working on it.

Currently in the paint shop getting the base OD done.

Once I've done that I'll be putting more of the sub-assemblies together &, hopefully, fitting them for semi-final paint.

Then I'll be working on the clear bits (a lot of little ones for the periscopes, etc.).

Followed by final construction & paint.



Typical of a Dragon kit, this thing has far too many small, fiddly parts & didn't come with a .50 cal (the mount but no gun), so I've used an AFV Club item from a set of .50 cals (which also had too many small, fiddly parts but looks very good).


Thanks for watching! :bow:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: zenrat on November 14, 2019, 01:36:48 am
Balsa has a nice fine grain and is very easy to work being soft (ironic being it's a hardwood).  I've had good results staining it with soy sauce.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 14, 2019, 06:38:54 am
To stop people fussing about wood planks; My build isn't using them. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: nighthunter on November 14, 2019, 01:12:54 pm
To stop people fussing about wood planks; My build isn't using them. :rolleyes:
Sorry, that's my fault
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 14, 2019, 06:51:06 pm
To stop people fussing about wood planks; My build isn't using them. :rolleyes:
Sorry, that's my fault

Not really, I should have said so at the start. :thumbsup:


Base OD has come out a bit lighter than desired, so I'll have to darken it a bit but I'll do that later, after she's all together & the camo is on (which I'll do a bit light to allow for overall darkening).

I'll try to get some photo's up but probably not before Monday. Got 3 more arvo shifts to get through first. :-\
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: zenrat on November 15, 2019, 01:29:28 am
To stop people fussing about wood planks; My build isn't using them. :rolleyes:

Someone should compensate for that then.  I can envisage a Sherman completely clad in planks.  Including the turret.  It would look like a Flintstones tank.
Maybe the nazis went for magnetic mines big time but the allies couldn't get their zimmerit to stick to the armour?

Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 15, 2019, 08:14:57 am
Zimmerit, now there's something designed for a threat that didn't exist, as the Germans were, by far, the biggest user of magnetic (hand)mines during WW2. Japan, however, came in 2nd on their usage.

Still, the wooden planks could be considered an over-reaction to a relatively minimal threat, as they weren't applied in Europe, where the threat of magnetic anti-tank mines was much higher.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: NARSES2 on November 16, 2019, 02:13:50 am
I suppose there was a greater chance of someone actually being prepared to try and use them in the Pacific Theatre ? Plus not so many stand off alternatives ?

Talking of Zimmerit. Hannant's Just In pages this morning had a 1/72 set for a Panzer IV H. Never knew this mark of Panzer used it ? Still you live and learn  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 16, 2019, 07:42:21 am
From the little bit of reading I've done on it, the Japanese tended to use them from camouflaged pits, with the "bomb-man" waiting until a tank passed by to pop up & attach the mine, although they preferred to wait for a tank to drive over their position, then attach the bomb to the belly of the tank before ducking back into their pit & hoping to survive the explosion 4 to 5 seconds later.

Placing the bomb on the belly of the tank had several advantages;
1) it was next to impossible to prevent a magnetic mine being attached there without losing too much ground clearance;
2) placing the bomb under the tank meant that the ground assisted the bomb by bouncing more of the blast up into the tank, as the Japanese mines weren't shape-charges like the German mines; &
3) there was a better chance of killing or injuring the crew from underneath than from the side due to the thinner armour.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: NARSES2 on November 17, 2019, 05:56:09 am
Interesting and eminently logical. Cheers  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 18, 2019, 06:32:25 pm
Right, running a bit behind on this build but I did promise photo's (for yesterday :rolleyes:). So, here they are, as of 5 minutes ago:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-Snv5bqD/0/c85d9337/XL/IMG_2283%5B1%5D-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-kGncJBp/0/5f0f16ea/XL/IMG_2284%5B1%5D-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-p2dFSPF/0/d62a242c/XL/IMG_2285%5B1%5D-XL.jpg)

Grey stripes are "field applied by brush with paint acquired from the Navy". ;)
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: NARSES2 on November 19, 2019, 06:16:04 am
Nice build and the paint scheme adds to it enormously  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on November 19, 2019, 08:00:28 am
Thanks, Chris! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on June 03, 2020, 02:42:11 am
Righto! Finally finished this last night (whilst waiting for paint to dry on my Navy GB build). I'll try to get some photo's up in the next day or so.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: buzzbomb on June 03, 2020, 04:30:48 pm
It.. is.. alive.

Well that is a back from the tombs build. Looking forward to seeing how it went
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on June 05, 2020, 03:50:18 am
Photo's of the finished subject:

A M4A2 Sherman tank of 3Div, 58Bn, D Coy, RAMAR, depicted 1945, late in the Philippines Campaign.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-72NFQCs/0/21703edd/X2/DSCN7613-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-FntSSrq/0/5ab60f8b/X2/DSCN7629-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-wKQVRCf/0/38a6d750/X2/DSCN7614-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-DBLd7tz/0/6b76ccee/X2/DSCN7624-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-gmj3x3d/0/9e6b2a63/X2/DSCN7627-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-8jTcjGM/0/414de48b/X2/DSCN7628-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-XNgKLS8/0/deb4033e/X2/DSCN7616-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-wn6kvKc/0/3423ed4c/X2/DSCN7622-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-ncn6BXr/0/cfd71008/X2/DSCN7620-X2.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAMs-M4A2/i-9kS2jVg/0/fca1ee66/X2/DSCN7621-X2.jpg)


Hope you like her!

As usual, I still have to do the base (there's going to come a time when I'll be building bases constantly for a year or more).

Constructive criticism welcomed (I know about the eyes, not quite as good as I wanted but not too bad).

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Jacques Deguerre on June 05, 2020, 04:12:43 am
I like it! The weathering makes it look grubby without the “rolling derelict” look some folks prefer.

What is the source (are the sources) of the crew? It’s nice to see some Commonwealth tankers in helmets and shirt sleeves.

To answer a question from earlier in this thread; yes, the roof section where the driver and bow gunner/assistant driver hatches are located is a casting.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: zenrat on June 05, 2020, 04:20:52 am
Very good.  As far as bases go i've seen worse than that towel.

The figures have very natural poses.  i particularly like the bloke on the left having a smoke.
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on June 05, 2020, 05:17:56 am
Good spotting, Fred! ;D :thumbsup:

Jacques, the figures come from these three MiniArt boxings with Hornet heads;

(2nd from left figure = commander)
(https://www.bnamodelworld.com/bmz_cache/c/c00f24fbf870e420c1d3b1102a03ace6.image.500x314.jpg)

(Far right figure = loader; lower left figure = driver)
(https://www.bnamodelworld.com/bmz_cache/6/66be8c3d6e667d33fe1c25e3c186e863.image.500x313.jpg)

(Central figure = (smoking) assistant driver / bow gunner)
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/7/5/5/107755-10000-pristine.jpg)


Thanks for the interest, gent's!
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: rickshaw on June 05, 2020, 05:23:46 am
Nice!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on June 05, 2020, 05:27:47 am
Thanks, Brian! :bow:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: buzzbomb on June 05, 2020, 05:32:11 am
Very nicely done. The figures work well. Good stowage and I like the paint scheme
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on June 05, 2020, 05:41:13 am
Thanks heaps (again), BT! :bow:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: NARSES2 on June 05, 2020, 06:21:14 am
I like that  :thumbsup:

Particularly agree with earlier comments about the subtle weathering and pose of the figures. Both spot on in my view  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on June 05, 2020, 01:24:35 pm
Thanks, Chris! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Jacques Deguerre on June 07, 2020, 09:17:55 am
@ Old Wombat:
Thanks for the info on the figures!
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman
Post by: Old Wombat on June 07, 2020, 08:06:21 pm
No problems, Jacques! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman - COMPLETED - Pic's pg.2
Post by: chrisonord on June 14, 2020, 04:08:16 am
Very nice build  O.W. :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: RAM's M4A2 Sherman - COMPLETED - Pic's pg.2
Post by: Old Wombat on June 15, 2020, 03:26:27 am
Thank you, Chris! :bow: