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GROUP BUILDS => The Engines - More or Less G.B. => Topic started by: PR19_Kit on September 25, 2019, 07:23:56 am

Title: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 25, 2019, 07:23:56 am
O'Bannion and Murphy were seriously depressed, their beloved CM-170 Magister jets were being pensioned off and replaced with something with PROPELLORS, for goodness sake! They were convinced that the Pilatus PC-9s would never come anywhere near the capabilities of the sleek, almost sexy, Magisters, and yet they'd been ordered to scrap out their darling jets!

Both of the fellas had been Crew Chiefs on the Silver Swallows team for many years, the high point of which was the team winning the Lockheed Martin Canestra Trophy for the best display by an overseas team, although Murphy always contended that the Irish Sea wasn't wide enough to be counted as 'overseas'. Now that the lovely Magisters were to be scrapped both of the fellas felt distraught, and having succeeded in persuading the Brig. General to keep one of the Magisters for the museum at Baldonnel, they were looking for ways to ensure the remaining aircraft survived somehow, ANYhow!

Just then their pal O'Leary came by with a deep scowl on his face, to be greeted by a chorus of 'What's your problem then? At least you've got aircraft that can still fly, even if they don't have engines!' by the two Chiefs. O'Leary was the ground crewman of the Air Corps Cadets, and had a small fleet of gliders under his command, most of which were pretty ancient admittedly, mostly being K-13s and K-8s built from wood and canvas rather than the aluminium jets that the other two looked after.

'They're talking about scrapping the K Birds and buying PLASTIC stuff, for goodness sake! These Polish PW-6U things they're talking about buying cost a fortune, and if they break it'll take me for ever to fix them!' moaned O'Leary.

All three of them commiserated with each other over the imminent demise of their favourite aircraft and suddenly O'Bannion looked up and over at the last of the five Magisters parked in the hangar. He mused 'I wonder............ I've always thought a Maggie would make a good sailplane if the engines failed, looking at the length of those wings......'

The other two looked up as well and you could almost hear the brain waves moving into high gear.

By the end of the day the Brig. General had OK'd that they could do anything with the Magisters, so long as it didn't cost too many Euros, and so they set to work. Removing the twin Marbore engines from each airframe was a matter of moments for Murphy and O'Bannion, and their team of ground crewmen made equally short work of stripping out the complex avionics and weapon systems while O'Leary's team were manufacturing some wing tip extensions as they all agreed that proper gliders required LONG wings.  ;)

Within a week all the remaining Magisters had been converted into gliders, complete with fairings over the jet intakes and exhausts, and with the whole airframe cleaned up and smoothed off, all at zero cost to the Air Corps. Not to mention which the Corps now had a new fleet of training gliders at equally zero cost!

So that's the story of how the Magliders came to be.  ;D

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As it's obvious that my Boeing B-56 Stratocastle will never be done in time for this GB (even with the extension!) I was wondering if there was the slightest hope of getting anything done in time, when my eye fell upon an Airfix Fouga Magister kit. All of a sudden a suitable Whiff appeared in my mind's eye, just like the PR19 did all those years ago...………..

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8199/sB5SSH.jpg)

So here's the 'before build' pic of the kit. It's not one of Airfix's newer super hi-tech kits, but it's pretty good and fits together well.

Naturally, as a glider, it would need longer wings  ;) so I sawed off the tip tanks and added extensions that were long enough to look right, but not too long so that they looked silly. I also fitted the main gear doors in place as I had other plans for the landing gear. The cockpit took no time at all to throw together, and then the tip tanks were sawn down to act as fairings for the jet intakes and exhausts. Needless to say there's a LOT of PSR involved in that area but it's not going too badly.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/8015/iZvV4U.jpg)

Here's the whole assembledge thrown together without glue, just to give an idea what it will look like.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9646/CELUfB.jpg)

I've got to add the fairings to the starboard side and glue it all together of course, finish up the PSR and add the landing gear, but I won't be able to paint it till I get home on Monday. But that gives me a fighting chance of finishing it before the end of the GB.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 25, 2019, 07:29:42 am
That's looking nice!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Old Wombat on September 26, 2019, 12:15:43 am
Surprise! Surprise! Longer wings! ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: rickshaw on September 26, 2019, 02:07:43 am
Mmmm, but Kit, how do they tow the Magigliders into the air if they don't have any powered aircraft to do it?
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: JayBee on September 26, 2019, 03:17:15 am
Mmmm, but Kit, how do they tow the Magigliders into the air if they don't have any powered aircraft to do it?


Using Irish ingenuity, a greaty big catapult, made from lots and lots of elastic bands (enchanted, of course, by the "little people").
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 26, 2019, 03:45:34 am
Mmmm, but Kit, how do they tow the Magigliders into the air if they don't have any powered aircraft to do it?

Using Irish ingenuity, a greaty big catapult, made from lots and lots of elastic bands (enchanted, of course, by the "little people").


But they do, or will do anyway. They have the PC9s coming along, eventually...…….
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Tophe on September 26, 2019, 04:46:22 am
Great! Go on! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: loupgarou on September 26, 2019, 05:31:52 am
Mmmm, but Kit, how do they tow the Magigliders into the air if they don't have any powered aircraft to do it?

Using Irish ingenuity, a greaty big catapult, made from lots and lots of elastic bands (enchanted, of course, by the "little people").


But they do, or will do anyway. They have the PC9s coming along, eventually...…….

But,beg your pardon, the Magigliders are for  the Air Corps Cadets. They must have already tugs for their old gliders. So where is the problem?
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Rheged on September 26, 2019, 01:24:01 pm
Sure, and it's a wonderful tale and well told too.   Can we assume that  these wonderful machines are painted several shades of green?
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 26, 2019, 01:24:50 pm
Much progress on the Maglider today, in fact the build is almost finished, Dizzy speed for me!

Wings and tail are glued on, with both needing a tad of PSR I expect, and the landing gear's installed. The nose gear was sawn down to a minimum height, and one main gear leg glued into a hole sawn on the fuselage centre line, with both main gear doors used as doors for the new gear bay. A styrene card nose gear door was added as the kit part is about a scale foot thick!

And that's it, apart from paint, decals and gluing the canopy on.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/3127/sWSzLS.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/5240/gFBidq.jpg)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 26, 2019, 01:26:12 pm

Sure, and it's a wonderful tale and well told too.   Can we assume that  these wonderful machines are painted several shades of green?


To be sure, an' all, an' all, that's one scheme that we'd be considering, so we would...…………..
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: kitbasher on September 26, 2019, 01:46:50 pm
Mmmm, but Kit, how do they tow the Magigliders into the air if they don't have any powered aircraft to do it?


Using Irish ingenuity, a greaty big catapult, made from lots and lots of elastic bands (enchanted, of course, by the "little people").

Leaving the top off the liquid poly again, Jim?  ;

Winch launched.

Unless we’re talking about the Maglider Mk II, which had a de Havilland Sprite in each of the jet fairings.  Once rearmed they replaced the PC-9s as the IAC’s first dedicated interceptors since the SAAB J-29s (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=45996.0).
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Rheged on September 26, 2019, 02:31:34 pm
I don't think that I'd want the Irish "little people" anywhere  near an aircraft of any description!

 Remember the shouting, tumult and utter nausea that occurred at Ballykelly in the early 1960's, when local leprechauns interbred with the gremlins resident in the Griffon engines of 203 Squadron's  Shackletons.   It took nearly a ton of DDT, copious quantities of Jeyes Fluid, a near nervous breakdown for the Squadron engineering officer and a full bowser of Guinness for the line mechanics to solve the problem.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 26, 2019, 04:15:11 pm
Ha!!! You went and did it. Glorious.... talking about... completely removing engines here. I didn't think anyone would actually go for it.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Snowtrooper on September 27, 2019, 06:03:01 am
Well this is a wholly logical development, considering the Magister began as an outgrowth of a glider. :wacko: Watching this with great interest. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2019, 06:09:33 am

Well this is a wholly logical development, considering the Magister began as an outgrowth of a glider. :wacko:


Well done, I was expecting others to twig that I'd taken the Magister back to its roots.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 27, 2019, 06:50:38 am
I really like the bicycle landing gear, even though the engine fairings look odd. But there were, IIRC, RW plans to mount small turboprops on top of the wings (on pylons!) for a CAS version and cover the former jet engine bays in a similar fashion.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2019, 10:12:41 am
The fairings look a bit better now that it's been primered , but that's also uncovered a multitude of bits that need more PSR.  :banghead:

Situation normal in this game, eh?
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2019, 02:36:11 pm
We're getting there, after  second phase of PSR and a second primer coat.

It looks OK to me now, so I'll pause till I get home on Monday and then put a first colour coat on it. I'm thinking of an NMF and green scheme with some suitable IAC decals from the kit, and others that I'll print up.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/2998/V1cOG5.jpg)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: jalles on September 27, 2019, 04:33:17 pm
Wow, that looks great! The wing lengthening looks perfect  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 04, 2019, 02:51:42 pm
I've got the underside and topside colours on now, but I'll save the pics till I've added the contrast areas as well, possibly on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Tophe on October 06, 2019, 03:39:49 am
It looks OK to me now
I disagree :angry: : for me the judgement is not "OK acceptable" but "wonderful"! ;D :thumbsup: :wub:
We are sunday and I hope there will be soon coloured pictures. ;)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 08, 2019, 08:05:25 am
The best laid plans etc...…….  :banghead:

The masking up of the Maglider took an age and I didn't get to apply paint until y'day, and the second colour needed two coats as well, PLUS a re-masking to do the main cockpit colour! Anyway, the main paint is on now, bar a little trimming, so only the detail painting, the decals and the canopy are left to do, so I should manage it before the deadline.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/8374/4SM2B4.jpg)

You see what I mean about the masking, I should have shares in Tamiya!


(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/5945/cD7QZ8.jpg)

And here it is in all its glory. Yes, of COURSE it's green, it's Irish!  :o
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 08, 2019, 11:42:43 am
Love the paintjob!
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Tophe on October 08, 2019, 11:44:09 am
good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Old Wombat on October 08, 2019, 03:59:15 pm
Looking good, Kit! :thumbsup:


Gotta keep the Orange right out on the borders, eh! ;)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: NARSES2 on October 09, 2019, 06:17:45 am
So that's where all the Soviet Cockpit Green went  ;)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 09, 2019, 06:19:43 am
It's actually a Ford car paint colour, amazingly.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 09, 2019, 07:04:17 am
Oh, that's green - but looks very cool and Irish, too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 10, 2019, 03:28:22 pm
I've finished off the detail painting and put the decals on this evening, after the obligatory couple of coats of Klear of course.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/1531/YPBZe0.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/6448/2fMQpB.jpg)

In case you're wondering, 'Aer Daltai' means 'Air Cadets' in Irish, or that's what Google Translate tells me. As the IAC don't actually have any Air Cadets it's difficult to guess what they'd call them.

Two problems remain, the first being the distinctive nose light that the Magisters carried, like the Red's Gnats did, but the part itself is about 1.0 mm in dia. and it's impossible to hold it to glue it in place. It pinged off three times, but I only found it twice so that's a Plan B job.

The second problem is the canopy. It's got TEN panes in it, and so far I've been masking it for over an hour and I'm not half way through it yet.  :banghead:

But the whole model should be finished by Saturday with luck.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Tophe on October 10, 2019, 07:25:11 pm
Great silhouette, of a glider with big span, like your signature Kit :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: zenrat on October 11, 2019, 02:00:46 am
It might be my toplap minotaur but I really do not like that green.
Great job otherwise though.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 11, 2019, 03:40:04 am
It's not wonderful, is it?

But it's the closest match I could find for the green in the 'roundel', and as you can see in the top view, they almost vanish into the whole 'green-ness' of it.

I did my usual trick at Halfords, holding the decal sheet in my hand and trying to match the paint, which caused some raised eyebrows amongst the staff.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: zenrat on October 11, 2019, 04:34:34 am
I know Chris said it was like Russian Cockpit but to my mind it's more like the Karkov Tractor Factory No.6 Green (or whatever it was called) that they used on their wheels.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: NARSES2 on October 11, 2019, 06:39:53 am
I know Chris said it was like Russian Cockpit but to my mind it's more like the Karkov Tractor Factory No.6 Green (or whatever it was called) that they used on their wheels.

I know what you mean, but that wheel green is a proper green to my eye, this is a little on the turquoise side ? But then as I've said to a young lady of my acquaintance "we all see colour's differently"  ;)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving (FINISHED)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 11, 2019, 06:30:16 pm
OK, it's done and dusted.

Canopy masking complete and the canopy painted and then it's glued in place with clear glue.

Job done, and with 2 days to go.  :thumbsup:

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/6811/lLcGZm.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/4658/WIOGg8.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8664/LxpC8t.jpg)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 11, 2019, 06:45:17 pm
I flippin love it...   I think the colors are lovely and it's a glorious glider.  :wub: :wub:  The whole idea is mad appealing.  :wacko:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving (FINISHED)
Post by: Tophe on October 11, 2019, 08:40:43 pm
Job done
And well done! :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: zenrat on October 11, 2019, 09:37:59 pm
I know Chris said it was like Russian Cockpit but to my mind it's more like the Karkov Tractor Factory No.6 Green (or whatever it was called) that they used on their wheels.

I know what you mean, but that wheel green is a proper green to my eye, this is a little on the turquoise side ? But then as I've said to a young lady of my acquaintance "we all see colour's differently"  ;)

Absolutely.  I personally see no turquoise in that at all but then I have a notoriously dubious colour sense.
Excellent work Kit. 
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 12, 2019, 01:07:01 am
Comparing the real thing with my laptop screen shows that The Green is a lot darker in reality, and somehow I just can't modify the image to get it to show correctly.  :banghead:

There's something wrong with the settings on my camera I reckon, so I'll have a trawl through the manual and see what I can do about it.

I'm glad you guys like it, thanks so much.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Tophe on October 12, 2019, 01:30:43 am
in reality
What a bad word in our what-if universe! :angry:
(no, joke, everything may inspire) ;D
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: NARSES2 on October 12, 2019, 02:37:31 am
That's come out really well Kit
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: kitbasher on October 13, 2019, 01:52:11 am
Very neat, Kit.  Must confess, I did think when first seeing the name that the Maglider was powered by magnets or some such (shades of cavorite!).
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Weaver on October 13, 2019, 02:08:10 am
Nice one Kit!  :thumbsup:

I have the same mental block as kitbasher - just can't read the name without 'unpacking' it to 'magnetic glider'.
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 13, 2019, 06:03:20 am
The emphasis is on the second syllable, ie MaGLYDer. Then it sounds right and makes more sense..  ;D
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Old Wombat on October 13, 2019, 06:56:32 am
Neat job, Kit! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Weaver on October 13, 2019, 06:58:19 am
Alright so it's YOURglider: no need to shout about it... ;)

It's Ma glider
an' I'll fly if I want to
Fly if I want to
Fly if I want to


Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Old Wombat on October 13, 2019, 07:03:56 am
Oh, good grief! :banghead: :banghead:


 ;)
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 13, 2019, 08:41:47 am
Sheesh.  ;D   

We have a Sports Ball star in United States named Patrick Mahomes. Homes of course is short for "homie" and common parlance around here so every time I hear the Sports Ball announcer say his name, I say, "NO, he's not YOUR homes, he's Mahomes!"  ;D 

I think this corny crap we do is called "dad jokes" or something these days.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: Weaver on October 13, 2019, 09:26:51 am
Dad jokes forever.... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Title: Re: The Maglider - an example of money saving
Post by: NARSES2 on October 14, 2019, 06:37:22 am
Dad jokes forever.... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Some of my Dad's jokes would get you arrested nowadays on many different grounds  :angel: