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GROUP BUILDS => The Engines - More or Less G.B. => Topic started by: sandiego89 on September 21, 2019, 09:27:28 am

Title: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on September 21, 2019, 09:27:28 am
The B-47 was always considered underpowered and had poor specific fuel consumption with the J-47 turbojets.  A 1950 proposal as the YB-47C/B-56 with four J-35 engines never got off the ground, but in 1960 as part of "coke bottle" wing strengthening program, Boeing revisited a re-engining program with four TF-33 (JT3D in civil service).  Numerous B-47E's (and 70 RB-47E's) aircraft were re-engined as the B-47H, and served as a useful complement to the B-52 in USAF service.     

The Kennedy program pitched the program heavily to Australia for the much delayed F-111, and Argentina took a significant interest in ex-USAF examples the mid 1960's to replace their Lincoln bombers....

The kits:
1/144 Hobby Craft B47-E
1/144 Minicraft E-3 AWACS

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Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined)
Post by: McColm on September 21, 2019, 12:32:07 pm
Interesting,  I always wanted to fit the engines from the Lockheed S-3A Viking to the B-47 or a pair of engines from the B-52 :banghead:
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined)
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 21, 2019, 02:48:23 pm

Interesting,  I always wanted to fit the engines from the Lockheed S-3A Viking to the B-47 or a pair of engines from the B-52 :banghead:


I'm doing that, slowly, sort of............  :banghead:

See my B-56 Stratocastle thread.
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined)
Post by: nighthunter on September 22, 2019, 07:07:53 am
I like this idea, might have to use it!
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined)
Post by: McColm on September 22, 2019, 12:49:13 pm
Another one for the future builds list :banghead:
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined)
Post by: sandiego89 on September 26, 2019, 02:00:18 pm
Started work with primer and paint.

The TF-33's (x4) are quite a bit bigger than the J-47's (x6)

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The Hobby Craft B-47 kit is basic, but high quality.  Great mold and detail on the engines.

The Mini Craft E-3 (with the sprue of the engines in the bottom of the photo), is of poorer quality than the Hobby Craft, generally fair and typical 1/144 Mini Craft quality I have seen with their other 1/144 kits. Not as sharp as the Hobby Craft.   

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Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined)
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 27, 2019, 06:05:32 am

The Mini Craft E-3 (with the sprue of the engines in the bottom of the photo), is of poorer quality than the Hobby Craft, generally fair and typical 1/144 Mini Craft quality I have seen with their other 1/144 kits. Not as sharp as the Hobby Craft.   


Oddly their Douglas jets, DC8s and MD80s, are miles better than the others, very strange.
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *engine work*
Post by: nighthunter on September 27, 2019, 07:54:41 pm
Well, I will have 4x TF-33's enroute from a C-141, courtesy of Hobbes. (THANK YOU!). And, sandiego, thanks for the inspiration!
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *engine work*
Post by: sandiego89 on September 28, 2019, 08:56:55 am
Thanks guys.

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PR19_Kit:  Oddly their Douglas jets, DC8s and MD80s, are miles better than the others, very strange         


Kit think my comment is more about the quality of the Hobby Craft mold, -very crisp.  My last Minicraft B-29 was much less crisp, and the E-3 is as well.  Softer and thicker plastic in the Minicrafts.   

Anti-flash undersides sprayed. 

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Rough idea of what it will look like

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Need to decide on the pylons.

Standard B-47 inner pylon at the bottom. I think this looks the cleanest. 

E-3 (and early KC-135, 707/720, had the large fairing over the front of the engine.  (alternators there?)

Well, I will have 4x TF-33's enroute from a C-141, courtesy of Hobbes. (THANK YOU!). And, sandiego, thanks for the inspiration!

Curiously the C-141 pylon and cowling is totally different extending all the way to the rear of the engine, and is much cleaner looking. Curious what you are thinking Nighthunter!

The outer pylons are very short. 

Bare J-37 TF-33 at the top   

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Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *engine work*
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2019, 09:53:20 am

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PR19_Kit:  Oddly their Douglas jets, DC8s and MD80s, are miles better than the others, very strange         


Kit think my comment is more about the quality of the Hobby Craft mold, -very crisp.  My last Minicraft B-29 was much less crisp, and the E-3 is as well.  Softer and thicker plastic in the Minicrafts.   


That's what I meant too, the Minicraft Douglas jets are much better quality mouldings than the equivalent Boeings. I can't imagine why they should be so different.
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *engine work*
Post by: sandiego89 on September 28, 2019, 11:15:59 am

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PR19_Kit:  Oddly their Douglas jets, DC8s and MD80s, are miles better than the others, very strange         


Kit think my comment is more about the quality of the Hobby Craft mold, -very crisp.  My last Minicraft B-29 was much less crisp, and the E-3 is as well.  Softer and thicker plastic in the Minicrafts.   


That's what I meant too, the Minicraft Douglas jets are much better quality mouldings than the equivalent Boeings. I can't imagine why they should be so different.

Oh ok, gothcha, wonder if they were done in different eras?
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *engine work*
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2019, 01:39:35 pm

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PR19_Kit:  Oddly their Douglas jets, DC8s and MD80s, are miles better than the others, very strange         


Kit think my comment is more about the quality of the Hobby Craft mold, -very crisp.  My last Minicraft B-29 was much less crisp, and the E-3 is as well.  Softer and thicker plastic in the Minicrafts.   


That's what I meant too, the Minicraft Douglas jets are much better quality mouldings than the equivalent Boeings. I can't imagine why they should be so different.

Oh ok, gothcha, wonder if they were done in different eras?


I think so, the DC8 and the MD80 are relatively recent, meaning in the last 10 yes maybe.
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *pylon work*
Post by: sandiego89 on September 29, 2019, 06:59:23 am
Went with the stock B-47 pylons.

1/72 Harrier bomb half serving as the bulge for the outrigger gear. 

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Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *engines hung*
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 29, 2019, 10:24:51 am
Coming along nicely.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-47F Stratojet (4-engined) *engines hung*
Post by: NARSES2 on September 30, 2019, 07:25:28 am
Coming along nicely.  :thumbsup:

It is indeed
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on October 07, 2019, 01:22:53 pm
Complete

B-47H of the 441 Bomb Squadron, March Air Force Base, 1963. 

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Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 07, 2019, 01:24:54 pm
SUPER job Dave, love the NMF, that looks superb.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 07, 2019, 01:35:12 pm
Wow, that is downright impressive!! He's right, that NMF looks so good I want to throw mine in the trash!!  (no I would never do that hahahahah!)   I like this better than the orignal.  :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: jalles on October 07, 2019, 05:03:33 pm
I like this better than the orignal.

I couldn't agree more, that looks fantastic!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: Weaver on October 07, 2019, 05:30:15 pm
That look great - well done!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: Old Wombat on October 07, 2019, 06:08:46 pm
Great build! :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: McColm on October 07, 2019, 08:59:52 pm
Looks brilliant  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: zenrat on October 08, 2019, 02:50:07 am
Looks like a bought one.
Good job Dave.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: NARSES2 on October 08, 2019, 06:25:26 am
Beautiful  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: The Rat on October 08, 2019, 04:44:04 pm
Jaw, meet floor.  :bow: :cheers: :party:
Title: Re: B-47H Stratojet (4-engined) *finished*
Post by: Rick Lowe on October 09, 2019, 12:12:39 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: