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Title: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: zenrat on July 02, 2019, 05:07:55 am
The way i see this one is a mild engine up front in the usual position for picking the kids up from school. getting the groceries, driving to work etc and a wild one in the back for having fun, going fast and leaving rubber on the road.
Two engines, each with a clutch and one manual transmission.  Transmission more or less in the usual position with a transfer case between it and the front engine's clutch.  Rear engine, mounted over the rear axle, drive taken by shaft from its clutch to the transmission via the transfer case.
Drive from the transmission to the rear axle by shaft in the conventional way.
To drive on the front engine lock the rear clutch disengaged.  To drive on the rear engine lock the front clutch disengaged.  Two clutch pedals I think.
Each engine will have its own separate fuel and cooling system.
Front engine will be a stock 327ci Small Block Chevy.  Rear engine will be a supercharged 421ci Pontiac.  Transmission  will be a Chrysler A883 four speed manual.  Rear axle will be a Ford 9".
All this will be mounted on a modified '58 Edsel chassis which will carry the 1965 Chevy El Camino shell.

I will be combining parts from the kits below, some resin from www.thepartsbox.com and bits from my parts boxes.
(https://www.modelroundup.com/v/vspfiles/photos/AMT-6062-2.jpg)
(https://www.modelroundup.com/v/vspfiles/photos/AMT-30033-2.jpg)
(https://images43.fotki.com/v1635/photos/5/504634/6527009/Competition_Parts_Pack_Box_4-vi.jpg)
(https://cdn3.volusion.com/qzhug.remqt/v/vspfiles/photos/RMX854202-2.jpg?1481717643)

So far I have glued the SBC engine halves and put some filler in the big hole through the sump where the front axle passes (yes, its one of THOSE kits...), lobbed some of the chrome plated Poncho parts into the stripping tank and put filler where the top of the Edsel framerails is moulded open.
The Edsel chassis is one I bought part built which had been glue bombed.  I had to remove the front suspension with sprue cutters so the parts didn't survive and i'll have to build something up from what I can find in my boxes of bits.
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: scooter on July 02, 2019, 05:14:28 am
So, you're basically making a Lemons racer  :wacko:
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on July 02, 2019, 05:17:12 am
 ;D

Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: loupgarou on July 02, 2019, 06:42:17 am
What's the BIG engine in the back of the AMT parts boxtop?  :o
Excuse my question: where do you will put kids, groceries etc with one engine front and another back?  ;D

Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: JoeP on July 02, 2019, 08:22:48 am
Homina homina homina!    :wub:
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 02, 2019, 09:03:17 am

What's the BIG engine in the back of the AMT parts boxtop?  :o


It's an Allison V-1710, AMT put it in one or two kits in that period, as well as in the Parts Packs.

And the funny looking one in front of it with the pale blue block is the Chevrolet Corvair flat six engine, and that could be built with or without the turbocharger, very handy for car modellers.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 02, 2019, 09:07:31 am

The way i see this one is a mild engine up front in the usual position for picking the kids up from school. getting the groceries, driving to work etc and a wild one in the back for having fun, going fast and leaving rubber on the road.
Two engines, each with a clutch and one manual transmission.  Transmission more or less in the usual position with a transfer case between it and the front engine's clutch.  Rear engine, mounted over the rear axle, drive taken by shaft from its clutch to the transmission via the transfer case.
Drive from the transmission to the rear axle by shaft in the conventional way.
To drive on the front engine lock the rear clutch disengaged.  To drive on the rear engine lock the front clutch disengaged.  Two clutch pedals I think.
Each engine will have its own separate fuel and cooling system.
Front engine will be a stock 327ci Small Block Chevy.  Rear engine will be a supercharged 421ci Pontiac.  Transmission  will be a Chrysler A883 four speed manual.  Rear axle will be a Ford 9".
All this will be mounted on a modified '58 Edsel chassis which will carry the 1965 Chevy El Camino shell.


There's going to be drive shafts EVERYwhere under that model!  :o

Does the Charger supply the transmission? If so I'll take the rest of it off your hands, you don't want something like that cluttering up your workbench, do you?  ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on July 03, 2019, 04:53:01 am
Loupy - the shopping goes in the cab with the driver while the kids can sit in the bed with the second engine.  Kit is correct about the big engine in the AMT kit.  I have a pair of them and a part built tube chassis to mount them in.  I just need to get motivated.

Kit - the Revell '68 boxing shown came with two engines (Hemi & Magnum) and two trannies (auto & manual).  I built it as an automatic Hemi car like this...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4239/35856060986_46bd7033e1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCtFJ3)Charger Cracks 006 (https://flic.kr/p/WCtFJ3) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
...and then when the paint cracked (lacquer over enamel - you can see it in the pic on the roof and bonnet) I stripped it and redid it like this.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4307/35896908675_7b4711219e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WG63jx)68DodgeChargerWreckscued005_zps87273f22 (https://flic.kr/p/WG63jx) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The manual transmission has been sitting in a parts box waiting to be used.

Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 03, 2019, 05:04:15 am
The Charger looks tremendous Fred, in either version.  :thumbsup:

That model's my all time fave American car!  :wub:
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 03, 2019, 03:33:58 pm
Dude this is nutty as hell, go for it!  ;D :wub:
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on July 04, 2019, 04:38:16 am
... go for it!  ;D :wub:

Roger that.

Today I did some work on the front engine (sanding, filling, sawed off the gearbox) and moved the parts of the rear engine i'm stripping from the caustic soda (removes chrome) to the brake fluid (removes the lacquer that was under the chrome - caustic soda also does this but brake fluid does it quicker).
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: Scotaidh on July 05, 2019, 02:07:40 am
One of my favourite sci-fi writers (Alan Dean Foster) did a short-story in which a custom-car builder - call him "Gus" 'cos I can't remember - was challenged to a drag race - winner got to keep Gus' soul. 

The car that Gus normally used for racing was described as an early-70s powder-blue Dodge station wagon was a blown & blue-printed 500 hp 426 Hemi that powered the front wheels.  This was what was normally used to power the car around town.

Strictly for racing, displacing the rear seats and cargo area was a 960 shp T53-L-5 turboshaft engine & reduction gears that powered the rear wheels.

For this race, Gus replace the T53-L-5 with a T53-L-11 (1100 shp). 

I don't build cars 'cos I always duff it up, but for those that do - here's a project idea for this GB.  :)

Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on July 05, 2019, 03:45:59 am
One of my favourite sci-fi writers (Alan Dean Foster) did a short-story in which a custom-car builder - call him "Gus" 'cos I can't remember - was challenged to a drag race - winner got to keep Gus' soul. 

The car that Gus normally used for racing was described as an early-70s powder-blue Dodge station wagon was a blown & blue-printed 500 hp 426 Hemi that powered the front wheels.  This was what was normally used to power the car around town.

Strictly for racing, displacing the rear seats and cargo area was a 960 shp T53-L-5 turboshaft engine & reduction gears that powered the rear wheels.

For this race, Gus replace the T53-L-5 with a T53-L-11 (1100 shp). 

I don't build cars 'cos I always duff it up, but for those that do - here's a project idea for this GB.  :)



I like it. Should shred tyres nicely.
I don't recollect ever reading about a 426 Hemi in a fwd application but I suppose you could, with an appropriate adaptor mate one up to an Eldorado/Toronado transaxle.
Closest I could build in 1/25 with what I have at hand is a 66 Chevelle Wagon with a Chevy Citation V6 driving the front wheels and a Napier Sabre hooked up to a ZF transaxle in the back.
Coincidentally (there are no coincidences - Robert Anton Wilson) I am currently re-reading Alan Dean Foster's Icerigger prior to reading it's sequel, Mission to Moulokin which I didn't know existed until I recently found it in a second hand bookshop.  And apparently there is a third book to complete a trilogy - The Deluge Drivers.

I sanded the filler on the chassis today.  I used Tamiya polyester putty so it stank.  It'll need another application.

Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on July 07, 2019, 02:31:10 am
Engine building today.
The front engine is  nearly resdy to have the basic assembly painted while the rear one is out of the stripping tanks and is in the process of being assembled.
I have also started scratching up the transfer box that will link the two engines.
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on July 28, 2019, 04:51:38 am
I really should take some snaps.

Both engines have the basic construction done and their blocks painted and I have scratchbuilt a transfer case.
Today I started to fit the engines into the chassis.  Front engine needs the standard Edsel transmission crossmember rotated through 180 degrees which I have done and the glue is drying.
I have also started cutting the pickup tub interior from the body.
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 28, 2019, 07:32:27 am

I really should take some snaps.


Yes, you should.  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on July 29, 2019, 05:00:42 am

I really should take some snaps.


Yes, you should.  :thumbsup: ;D
So I have.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48403496256_4ae9d21884_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gKfz5U)Twin Camino WIP 29-07-2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2gKfz5U) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Front engine (Small Block Chevy painted Orange) sits nicely in the standard Edsel engine mounts.  Only modification needed was to rotate the transmission crossmember by 180 degrees to get it to sit under the transfer case.
I have yet to build the mountings for the rear engine (Pontiac 421SD painted Pontiac Engine Blue) but it has its clutch attached and will have a drive shaft where the pink line is.
The blue line is where drive from the transmission to the rear axle (asymmetric Ford 9") will go.
Next stage is to scratchbuild the rear engine mountings, come up with some rear suspension and find some front suspension and steering to replace the Edsel parts that died during the glue bombing.
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 29, 2019, 05:24:44 am
Very impressive engineering there Fred, I like it a lot.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: zenrat on August 04, 2019, 05:24:58 am
Since the above pic I have found some front suspension (Definitely Revell - possibly '69 Corvette but I will be adding parts from a n AMT '70 Monte Carlo) and added mountings for it.
This enabled me to offer up the body to check rear axle location.  The result of which was that I found I needed to shorten the wheelbase of the chassis by 5mm.
I did this by cutting a section out of each rail just behind the two mounting brackets on the inside of the parallel centre section of the chassis.
I glued it all back together and plated the top where it won't show.
After letting the glue dry overnight I started adding tubes the mountings for the rear engine and rear axle.
I want the engine mounted as close as I can get it to being directly above the rear axle and to achieve this I had already replaced the crossmember with the square (shock mounting) tabs with one further back.
As usual with this sort of work I have only a vague design in my head and make it up as I go cutting and gluing bits where I think they are required.  Lots of offering up engines and axles takes place and sometimes bits have to be pulled or moved off before the glue sets.

I've just looked at my concept sketches and they say "scratchbuilt double wishbone IRS".  Well that's not happening.  I'm instead going for a live axle hung on either a coil sprung two link or four link set up.
I have a complete 1/25 scale white metal aftermarket Hot Rod four link rear end in the stash which I considered using but as always when I get it out and look at it I thought "no, it's too nice - this one won't do it justice".

Anyhoo, once I get both engines mounted I can then get on with fabricating the interior bodywork and things should speed up a bit.
Title: Re: Two engined Chevy El Camino
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 04, 2019, 10:34:43 am

I have a complete 1/25 scale white metal aftermarket Hot Rod four link rear end in the stash which I considered using but as always when I get it out and look at it I thought "no, it's too nice - this one won't do it justice".


I've got one of those kits, and the rest of the chassis too, and I have similar thoughts when looking to use it in a build.  ;D

One day I'll get an idea that will REALLY be worth using it on.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 09, 2019, 03:59:50 am
Most of the Hot Rods i've been building lately have been pre '69 so a 4 link wouldn't be appropriate.  I do have some plans for later ones though.

Last few days i've made (from sections of sprue) a drive shaft loop in the rear engines clutch case mounting crossmember and have started on scratching mountings for the other end of the engine.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 10, 2019, 01:23:37 am
Both engine mounts are more or less finished.  Toothpicks represent drive shafts.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48501396596_31deb40d32_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gTUkrN)Toucam WIP 10-08-2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2gTUkrN) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: NARSES2 on August 10, 2019, 02:28:32 am
So the rack is still in use in Australia then ?  ;)

Looks like something in the Tower of London.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 10, 2019, 04:07:04 am
Nice dual drive train there Fred.  :thumbsup:

Looks like it was engineered in Solihull.  ;D
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 10, 2019, 04:27:57 am
Nice dual drive train there Fred.  :thumbsup:

Looks like it was engineered in Solihull.  ;D

That bad huh?

 :o
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 10, 2019, 05:02:34 am
Nice dual drive train there Fred.  :thumbsup:

Looks like it was engineered in Solihull.  ;D

That bad huh?

 :o


Hehehe, the quality of L-R Solihull's transmissions is pretty darn good, but their structures, and especially their electrics are diabolical!
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: NARSES2 on August 11, 2019, 06:09:27 am
Nice dual drive train there Fred.  :thumbsup:

Looks like it was engineered in Solihull.  ;D

Did they really use cocktail sticks as drive shafts ?  :angel:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: scooter on August 11, 2019, 08:07:21 am
Nice dual drive train there Fred.  :thumbsup:

Looks like it was engineered in Solihull.  ;D

Did they really use cocktail sticks as drive shafts ?  :angel:

Scaled up, they were probably surplus to requirement RN spars. :wacko:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 11, 2019, 08:08:29 am
Nice dual drive train there Fred.  :thumbsup:

Looks like it was engineered in Solihull.  ;D

Did they really use cocktail sticks as drive shafts ?  :angel:


Having seen some of the results of tests they did on our transmission rig, I think they may have done!  :o

When you see a 4 ft long drive shaft that's apparently been tied into a knot you start to wonder what the devil they've been doing with the rig!
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 16, 2019, 05:10:02 am
I've started on the body.  I've removed the tub and radiator support panel and have installed two firewalls.
Front one is from the kit and rear one is scratchbuilt.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48550123942_7e325b81d1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gYd5os)Toucam WIP 16-08-2019 01 (https://flic.kr/p/2gYd5os) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48549978531_19bef8579f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gYckan)Toucam WIP 16-08-2019 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2gYckan) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 19, 2019, 03:02:18 am
Started work on converting the dash from wrong side drive to right hand drive.
First of all I cut out the asymmetric top and front leaving the curved back part that fits snugly up against the windscreen (from experience it is much easier to retain this part than to modify a dash from another car or make a completely new one)...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48574041976_878fe21fc9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2h1jEom)Toucam WIP 19-08-2019 01 (https://flic.kr/p/2h1jEom) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
...and then I cut and glued in a replacement top...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48574191232_cfb5413d78_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2h1kqKJ)Toucam WIP 19-08-2019 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2h1kqKJ) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
...followed by the instruments cut out of the original front.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48574041641_d518e2a851_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2h1jEhz)Toucam WIP 19-08-2019 03 (https://flic.kr/p/2h1jEhz) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 19, 2019, 08:58:29 am
Ingenious method there Fred.  :thumbsup:

I'll make a note of that as I want to swap my Tamiya Volvo 850 Estate kit from LHD to RHD.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 19, 2019, 10:22:12 am
The ol' slice 'n slide!
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 20, 2019, 04:45:43 am
I've tried to scratchbuild complete new dashboards in the past and always failed to get them to fit correctly against the windscreen.  Keeping the back and sides of the original solves that problem.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 23, 2019, 04:10:28 am
More dash work and after hacking away great chunks of the interior tub to clear the transmissions I am now rebuilding it to enclose the drive shafts.
No pics though.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: Rick Lowe on August 23, 2019, 09:10:52 pm
Hey Fred - a bit of an OT hijack (sorry for the inconvenience, Citizens) but have you ever found a source of the small-diameter vinyl tubing they often give you for eg sparkplug leads or m/c cabling?
I've been looking into heat shrink tubing, but I'm not convinced it's the same stuff and I'd like to have some on hand for the odd application.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 24, 2019, 01:55:18 am
Rick answered via PM - but basically go to www.thepartsbox.com

More work on the dash and interior tub today.  Dash will need notching to clear the rear engines prop shaft housing.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: Rick Lowe on August 24, 2019, 03:58:39 am
Rick answered via PM - but basically go to www.thepartsbox.com


Yup, I should have said - thanks for the info, much appreciated.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2019, 04:37:53 am
Rick answered via PM - but basically go to www.thepartsbox.com


Yup, I should have said - thanks for the info, much appreciated.  :thumbsup:


I'd confirm how good they are, even at 12000 miles range.

I got some of their stuff, on Fred's recommendation  :thumbsup:,  for the RW Caterham Severn I did earlier in the year and it was superb stuff.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 24, 2019, 05:06:42 am
Very nice people too.
Wiring and tubing are in the Engines section of the shop.

Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: rickshaw on August 25, 2019, 07:41:33 pm
My goodness, I live about 45 minutes from the Partsbox!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on August 26, 2019, 05:17:24 am
My goodness, I live about 45 minutes from the Partsbox!   :thumbsup:

I wish I did.

FInished the initial structural construction of the structure of the transmission tunnel today.  I hope it fits over the gearbox.  I couldn't test fit it because I used rather a lot of glue.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: Old Wombat on August 26, 2019, 05:24:36 am
My goodness, I live about 45 minutes from the Partsbox!   :thumbsup:

I wish I did.

FInished the initial structural construction of the structure of the transmission tunnel today.  I hope it fits over the gearbox.  I couldn't test fit it because I used rather a lot of glue.

20km or 20min, according to Google Maps (they must drive slow). ;D ;)
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 06, 2019, 03:09:13 am
When I rule the world it will be compulsory (along with all parcels having to be sent in easilly stacked boxes) for all model car kits to have standard wheel fittings.

Today I sleeved the Monogram front wheels to fit the Revell axle stubs.  This required two sizes of styrene tube and an aluminium sleeve.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48687535822_aab155e3f4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hbmm9N)Toucam WIP 06-09-2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2hbmm9N) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Could have been worse, I could have been trying to use Tamiya wheels with male fittings.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 06, 2019, 05:11:54 am

When I rule the world it will be compulsory (along with all parcels having to be sent in easilly stacked boxes) for all model car kits to have standard wheel fittings.


You've got my vote already Fred.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: scooter on September 06, 2019, 09:03:59 am

When I rule the world it will be compulsory (along with all parcels having to be sent in easilly stacked boxes) for all model car kits to have standard wheel fittings.


You've got my vote already Fred.  :thumbsup:

I rarely build cars, but you've got mine as well.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 08, 2019, 03:15:16 am
Sorted the rear wheel fitting today and so can provide a mock up.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48697534153_b747084872_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hceAiP)Toucam WIP 08-09-2019 01 (https://flic.kr/p/2hceAiP) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48697534143_935e4c3e77_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hceAiD)Toucam WIP 08-09-2019 02 (https://flic.kr/p/2hceAiD) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Next job is inner bodywork under the bonnet and in the tub.

Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 08, 2019, 04:05:51 am
That's certainly going to be LOUD!
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 08, 2019, 04:36:51 am
That's certainly going to be LOUD!

Not when driving on the front engine.  Plan is a mufflers and pipes exiting just in front of the rear wheels.  The rear engine though will have zoomies. :wacko:

You can't tell but I have changed the tyres.  The ones I was using were just a touch too wide and fouled the bodywork.  I found another Monogram set in my "special wheels" box which unusually the rims fitted into perfectly.  They are from the '30 Ford Woody which was retooled with new wheels and tyres at about the same time as the '66 Chevy Malibu the kidney bean mags came from.  As they are from the same time period that might be why the swap is possible even though the actual tyre is narrower on the Woody set.  Rims are a little large and tyre profile a little low IMO indicating they date from the eighties.

Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 08, 2019, 12:35:22 pm

Not when driving on the front engine.  Plan is a mufflers and pipes exiting just in front of the rear wheels. 


With cut-outs for when it's in dual engine mode?  :wacko:

Nice move on the wheels.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 12, 2019, 03:26:27 am
Panelling in the tub has begun.  It may not look much but because of the complex shape along where it meets the chassis this took a while.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48721075036_04865b5084_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hejfc7)El Toucam WIP 12-09-2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2hejfc7) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
I'm hoping I can use inner wings from my parts box in the front.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 13, 2019, 02:35:00 am
So there are now filler panels running from the top of the inner side panels to the sides of the tub.
Glue is drying.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 17, 2019, 02:50:45 am
So here's the structural panelling in place in the tub and a start made under the bonnet.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48747963733_c9b4f143b5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hgG4gk)El Toucmas WIP 17-09-2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2hgG4gk) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 17, 2019, 02:03:21 pm
Quite the adept modeller here!!  Nice.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 18, 2019, 04:20:21 am
Thank you Brad C.

One side of the front now has all the panels in place while the other still needs the rear piece.
Then they'll need trimming, smoothing and some bits & bobs attached for surface texture.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 19, 2019, 02:01:45 am
All panels in place in the front engine cave.  They still need trimming.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48758064558_1303d47d7a_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hhzPTu)El Toucam WIP 19-09-2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2hhzPTu) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 19, 2019, 04:44:05 am
That's looking VERY good Fred.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 20, 2019, 05:12:19 am
Thanks Kit.  Structural work all finished today and i've moved on to adding texture to the panelling which is looking a bit plain.  Just some half round styrene which will look like strengthening ribs have been pressed in.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: loupgarou on September 20, 2019, 08:34:39 am
I hope you keep checking if the engines fit inside the new panels.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 21, 2019, 07:01:30 pm
I hope you keep checking if the engines fit inside the new panels.

Yep.  No problem.  I've been caught that way before.
I am hoping to get the first shot coat of primer on the body today.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 22, 2019, 05:35:59 am
Body is primed.  Let the PSR begin...
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 24, 2019, 05:20:02 am
Minimal PSR on this.  Today I foiled the scripts and emblems moulded on the body (and nice and crisp they are too - I suspect AMT restored the moulds before this release) and then put another light coat of primer over the foil.  Paint next.  I'm going to preshade it like the magazines would have us do on aircraft models.  I'm interested to see how this works on a car body.  If I can keep from putting the paint on too heavily thist should give it a patchy and aged look.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 27, 2019, 02:35:39 am
Ready for colour.
I did some semi random preshading on it today.
Having decided to paint it purple i've now changed my mind and it's going to be blue.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 29, 2019, 03:02:06 am
Paint.
Vallejo IDF Blue.  Or US Intermediate Blue depending on when it was purchased.  I did a blotchy black preshade and the a patchy lightened overspray using "organic" templates.  It gives it the faded and worn appearance I was looking for.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48813435052_43962f2f58_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hntBBb)El Toucam WIP 29-09-2019 (https://flic.kr/p/2hntBBb) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 29, 2019, 09:15:39 am
Yeah, there we go!!!  Looks good to me.. love that color.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on September 30, 2019, 02:26:52 am
Camera and lighting have lightened the shade a touch but it looks nicely sun bleached and worn which is the look I was after.
Painted the underside of the bonnet and the front inner wings today and started assembling the drive train by gluing the front engine into place.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: TallEng on October 09, 2019, 09:04:54 am
looks interesting :thumbsup:
do you think you could use the "organic" templates to make rust patches?
not sure if you would spray the rust patches afterwards or rust as the base colour and the original over,
or the otherway around?
just an idle thought....

regards
keith
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on October 10, 2019, 01:53:46 am
You could indeed use them for that.
When I put serious body rust on a model car I use  two part "trick paint".  the first part contains lots of iron and when it is dry you brush on the second part which oxides it producing real rust.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4266/35855520685_1b4bbc6e88_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WCqV7v)25TTallTRatRod001_zps12adf67f (https://flic.kr/p/WCqV7v) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

I'm not sure i'm going to finish this by the deadline but i'm giving is a good try.  Today I was bending styrene rod with steam to produce the exhausts for the rear engine.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 10, 2019, 02:54:18 am
Yes, only four days to go.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on October 10, 2019, 03:24:01 am
Oh well.  If it happens it happens.  Otherwise it don't.
I've got two on the finished list.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on October 13, 2019, 01:14:56 am
OK, i'm pulling the pin on this one.  No way i'm going to get it finished by midnight tomorrow.  Not and do the sort of job I want to do.
Can you move it to the relevant location please Chris.

Here's the pics from the last few days.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48888837096_1e6c1017b7_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hu951q)El Toucam WIP 13-10-2019 04 (https://flic.kr/p/2hu951q) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48888301768_e18c1f7cf5_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hu6jSC)El Toucam WIP 13-10-2019 05 (https://flic.kr/p/2hu6jSC) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48888301728_f238f040ce_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hu6jRW)El Toucam WIP 13-10-2019 06 (https://flic.kr/p/2hu6jRW) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48888301643_86983bd82b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hu6jQt)El Toucam WIP 13-10-2019 07 (https://flic.kr/p/2hu6jQt) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

All the major work is done (I got the rear suspension set up today) but like with a real car build I under estimated how long it was going to take to finish off all the little things like cooling, fuel and a battery.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 13, 2019, 06:06:56 am
It's looking VERY good anyway, I love the stance from the side view.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: NARSES2 on October 13, 2019, 06:39:41 am
OK, i'm pulling the pin on this one.  No way i'm going to get it finished by midnight tomorrow.  Not and do the sort of job I want to do.
Can you move it to the relevant location please Chris.



Will do

Now done
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: Old Wombat on October 13, 2019, 07:06:23 am
Lookin' good, Fred! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on October 15, 2019, 03:04:24 am
Thanks folks.  I'll finish her off.  Have no worries about that.  New deadline is next months Model Car Club meeting on 2nd Monday of the month.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on October 17, 2019, 04:04:35 am
Little steps.

I have painted the rear suspension radius rods and coil-overs and I have scratch built a fuel injection pump.
I have also started work on the fuel tanks.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on October 18, 2019, 06:19:43 am
Major step forward today.  Sat it on my glass plate (to ensure all four are on the ground) and glued up most of the rear suspension.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 18, 2019, 06:47:56 am

Major step forward today.  Sat it on my glass plate (to ensure all four are on the ground) and glued up most of the rear suspension.


That's always a defining situation with a car model.  :thumbsup:

I use a mirror and then I can see if any of the bits have come misplaced at the same time.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on November 02, 2019, 05:00:49 am
I've been slowly making progress with this.
I want to get it completed before I start the car build for the Out of Retirement GB.
It is nearly there.  Fuel tanks have to be finished off and fitted.  There are two.  One big one for the front engine (a tank from one of my parts boxes slightly fettled) and a smaller moon style tank I have scratch built.  Both are undergoing PSR.
Other than that I just have to mount the rear engine and its drive shaft and then do a bit of weathering.

Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on November 03, 2019, 03:16:42 am
Rear engine is in place.
Fuel tanks have been sanded and primed.  More PPP will be needed.
I have also started scratchbuilding a truck battery.  This will be situated on a mesh platform right at the back of the tub behind the rear engine.  Using a truck battery and fitting it as far back as possible is an old Gasser trick to improve weight distribution for a better launch.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 03, 2019, 09:31:30 am

  Using a truck battery and fitting it as far back as possible is an old Gasser trick to improve weight distribution for a better launch.


And with a whole 'extra' engine up front it's going to need every ounce back there!

One reason why my Imp always beat the Minis off the line, even though the engine was cast from aluminium.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on November 04, 2019, 03:16:10 am
Battery is built and will get primer tomorrow.
I couldn't find the reference photos I took of a real truck battery but I copied the dimensions from one I built for a '32 Ford.
Drive shaft for the rear engine is installed and I put more putty on the tanks.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on November 07, 2019, 02:45:32 am
Crawling to the finish line...

Attached the front engines fuel tank today and scratchbuilt a frame to hold the rear engine's (scratchbuilt) moon tank.
Ummmed and arrred over whether to paint the (already gloss black) moon tank Alclad Chrome or Mr Metal Aluminium.  I went for the aluminium as IRL the tanks were spun aluminium which while it may have been polished wasn't chromed.  Also the overall finish of this is slightly shabby and there is  already enough chrome in the back in the form of the valve covers, blower and scoop.

I'm hoping to have it finished by Monday night as it is the Model Car Club model of the year comp.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: Old Wombat on November 07, 2019, 02:51:20 am
Gouda luck with that! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on November 07, 2019, 03:30:02 am
Thanks mate.

Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2019, 03:59:41 am
This is sounding VERY good Fred!  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: scooter on November 07, 2019, 05:58:40 am
This is sounding VERY good Fred!  :thumbsup: ;D

Bet it would sound very good (and loud) as well.
Title: Re: Chevy El Toucam
Post by: zenrat on November 10, 2019, 03:34:31 am
1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49042394672_647b7623f2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHH6jQ)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 11 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHH6jQ) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

A dual purpose vehicle this one.  In the front an (almost) standard Chevrolet 327ci small block V8.  A reliable, economical and eminently drivable engine for commuting, shopping and general driving about duties.
In the back a supercharged Pontiac 421ci Super Duty V8.  A tuned to the nines full on drag race engine.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49042182646_a8243fa528_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHG1id)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 16 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHG1id) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

El Toucam can be driven on either engine (or both if you really want to) through the same Chrysler A883 four speed manual transmission.  The engine not being used being locked out of engagement using the same technology as a line lock (used to lock the front brakes of a car while spinning the rear tyres prior to a drag race).  A transfer case connects the engines to the gearbox.
Rear axle is a four link suspended Ford 9".

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49042395227_b943b781b1_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHH6up)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 5 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHH6up) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

The rear engine, being a full house race engine was not fitted with a starter motor but can be started be placing the transmission in neutral, starting the front engine and then engaging both clutches.
A separate fuel system is provided for each engine.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49042183221_499c910217_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHG1t8)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 8 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHG1t8) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49041679363_b86dc4626c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHDqFV)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 9 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHDqFV) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49041678988_36a073a338_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHDqzs)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 13 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHDqzs) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49042182881_9bfe73820c_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHG1ng)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 12 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHG1ng) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49042394082_b6cebe6d8a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hHH69E)'65 El Camino - Toucam  - 18 (https://flic.kr/p/2hHH69E) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

The Model.
Started for the Engines; More or Less GB (and missing even the extended deadline) El Toucam is an AMT '65 Chevrolet El Camino body mounted on a shortened AMT '58 Edsel Pacer chassis.
Front engine is from the El Camino kit.  Rear engine is an AMT parts pack item.  Wheels are from a Monogram '66 Chevy Malibu Street Rat.  Tyres are from my parts boxes.  Lots of everything else was scratchbuilt.

I have been pondering whether you could engage the rear engines clutch while cruising on the freeway in order to start it and get an overtaking speed boost.  Or if that would just explode the rear clutch.

And yes, no number plates.  I forgot them but noticed I had done so when taking the pics and have since added them.

Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: Old Wombat on November 10, 2019, 04:16:11 am
Not a car I'd want to drive - far too complicated - but what a beast! ;D
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 10, 2019, 05:01:55 am
That's looking very cool. I esp. like the simple livery.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: kitnut617 on November 10, 2019, 07:24:16 am
Um, there might be a simple answer to this, but with the rear engine facing backwards like that, wouldn't that make the rear axle run as if in reverse  :-\
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: scooter on November 10, 2019, 07:55:34 am
Um, there might be a simple answer to this, but with the rear engine facing backwards like that, wouldn't that make the rear axle run as if in reverse  :-\

Transmission for the rear engine spins opposite the front transmission.
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 10, 2019, 08:59:42 am
Marvelous work!!! 
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: loupgarou on November 10, 2019, 01:37:55 pm
Fantastic!
Would that be street legal, and would it work in real life?
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 10, 2019, 01:41:18 pm
I absolutely LOVE that Fred!  :wub: My kind of truck.  :thumbsup:

It'd give new meaning to the 'Run what ya brung' class at the local strip.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: zenrat on November 12, 2019, 03:38:57 am
Thanks folks.
Model of the Year at the Model Car Club was postponed until next month due to only two of us bringing entries.

Um, there might be a simple answer to this, but with the rear engine facing backwards like that, wouldn't that make the rear axle run as if in reverse  :-\

Transmission for the rear engine spins opposite the front transmission.

No, I thought of that.  Initially I was going to say that the rear engine was modified to run backwards (not too hard to do - basically* only a retimed camshaft is needed) but then I realised that as the rear engine would require higher overall gearing then I could kill two birds with one stone by adding an extra gear in the transfer case which both changed the direction of the drive from the rear engine and geared it down.

*OK, so it's not quite that simple but it isn't rocket surgery.

Fantastic!
Would that be street legal, and would it work in real life?

Legality would depend on which engine you were using.  If it was the rear one then then answer would be WHAT DID YOU SAY?  I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THIS ENGINE...
If it was the front engine then surely it would just be like doing around with a spare engine in the back...
As for would it work?  I like to think it would.  I put a lot of thought into figuring out how to do it so you could run on either engine.

Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 12, 2019, 10:34:01 am
Now that is an interesting thought. A car that goes from street legal to illegal at the "flip of a switch." I wonder......  :unsure:     I've watched a lot of Street Outlaws before it apparently became crap and it sure would have helped them guys get out of a bind. Test hits on the monster then shut it down before the cops arrive.  ;D
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: Captain Canada on November 12, 2019, 06:41:29 pm
Nice work ! Love the underside shot ! Great drive train.
Title: Re: 1965 Chevrolet El Camino - El Toucam. Finished pics on page 6
Post by: zenrat on November 13, 2019, 01:57:35 am
Thanks folks.