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GROUP BUILDS => The Engines - More or Less G.B. => Topic started by: kitbasher on July 01, 2019, 08:41:21 am

Title: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on July 01, 2019, 08:41:21 am
No not THE Wellington, rather A Wellington.  Mercury-engined Wellesley development for the general reconnaissance role that in the so-called real world was briefly undertaken by the Avro Anson, and for the torpedo bomber role by the Vickers Wildebeest.  Using the Matchbox Wellesley and old-school Airfix Blenheim engines/undercarriage.  if it ends up lugging a torpedo that'll come from a Matchbox/Revell Beaufighter.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 01, 2019, 12:46:25 pm
The model started as a part-build (entry okayed by the Mods before the GB began). 

This weekend stripped of paint ready to take the new parts.  Blenheim engines assembled, one undercarriage unit built and fitted to the lower half of the Blenheim u/c nacelle.  This came from  the Blenheim that’s being cross-kitted with an Airfix Boeing Clipper to create a Bristol Beaumaris (highly stalled build, see https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=oif2a6ank72sbo6ubqgt408kj1&topic=36984.0).

Wellesley undercarriage doors fitted to fill in the wheel wells.  The sole undercarriage unit has been fitted to a wing.

To where the Wellesley’s single Pegasus would be fitted a modified resin (IIRC from The Wooksta) Mosquito NF.XIII thimble nose has been added.  Needs fairing in and sanding to shape but otherwise a good match in terms of size and shape.  Would have used an NF.II/FB.VI nose fairing if I’d had one.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 15, 2019, 10:29:55 am
Progress with the Wellington.

Part-build as okayed by the mods, having been duly stripped and with the Mosquito nose fitted. 
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48738447147_d11ceb46a3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hfRhjg)

Engines and nacelles fitted, with some PSR done. Plan is to fit two .303 MGs in the nose and keep the single Vickers gun in the rear.  Had contemplated 4 up front as with the Mossie but late-30's British aircraft could be somewhat undergunned.  That informed not fitting a turret in lieu of the original Wellesley configuration. A more extreme build would have had the nose tampered with rather more extremely to get a Martin B-10 look.  but that would mean the 'Wellington' never being finished in time for the GB deadline!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48737900813_7d03667a9e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hfRhjg) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48738407702_5157bcb820_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hfNtUH)

 (https://flic.kr/p/2hfR5Ab)
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 15, 2019, 10:33:57 am
That's looking VERY believable Dave, I like it a lot!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 15, 2019, 10:48:06 am
That's looking VERY believable Dave, I like it a lot!  :thumbsup:

Thanks Kit, it's a build that's been high on my list forever and feared someone would beat me to it.  Amazed they haven't to be honest.

Another quandary is bomb load.  Use the Wellesley wing fairings or strap bombs to the wings.  I've some Airfix Fairey Battle 250 pounders that would do the trick - four would result in a bomb load only 200 lbs less than a Blenheim's but half a Wellesley's.  Still a lot more than (spoiler alert) an Anson I carried in the GR role at the start of WW2.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 15, 2019, 10:49:42 am

Another quandary is bomb load.  Use the Wellesley wing fairings or strap bombs to the wings. 


All of the above?  ;)
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 15, 2019, 11:59:41 am
Put the panniers on and got for a mid war scheme - Dark Slate Grey over Dark Sea Grey with Azure Blue undersides - as worn by the last Wellesleys in service used for ASW work in the middle east.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 15, 2019, 01:14:51 pm
Panniers!  That’s the word I was looking for!!

Yes that late-career scheme is interesting, have seen a Wellesley finished that way on Britmodeller.  Tempted but at the mo am planning the ‘Wellington’ to be what entered service instead of the Anson on GR duties.  A bit of timeline jiggling to consider.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: dogsbody on September 15, 2019, 05:33:57 pm
Panniers mounted between the engine nacelles and the fuselage? Maybe?
Chris
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 16, 2019, 12:41:38 am
Oh, that's looking sexy!  :wub:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 16, 2019, 10:55:46 am
Panniers mounted between the engine nacelles and the fuselage? Maybe?
Chris

Hadn’t considered that option.  Mmm.  It’ll be that or the panniers outboard of the engines.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 24, 2019, 01:12:52 pm
Oh, that's looking sexy!  :wub:

You flirt!

Both engines/nacelles now faired in, have decided to go with the panniers but outboard of the engines.  Two MGs in the nose as well.

No modelling for a few days (mini-break in Paris), but must step up the pace when I get home at the weekend.

Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 26, 2019, 05:12:28 pm
Right on!!!
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 29, 2019, 06:30:37 am
As indicated in a previous update, I've gone with the panniers but they will be positioned further out along the wing than the Wellesley had them, this due to their proximity to the 'Wellington' engine nacelles.  Panniers about to have their paint stripped off.  All of the Airfix Blenheim engine parts are attached - chopped out sections of the spindly spiky exhausts (intended for the French option - don't forget I'm talking the original Airfix Blenheim not the current one) to form fuel vents and added them to the undersides of the wings.

Discovered the source part-build's rear Lewis Gun is missing - thankfully I've a pair of Aeroclub items (far superior to the plastic original anyway), so will use one of those.

Close to staring the painting - eeek!


Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: NARSES2 on September 30, 2019, 07:24:35 am
chopped out sections of the spindly spiky exhausts (intended for the French option - don't forget I'm talking the original Airfix Blenheim not the current one)

French version ? Am I missing something ?
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on September 30, 2019, 09:29:29 am
chopped out sections of the spindly spiky exhausts (intended for the French option - don't forget I'm talking the original Airfix Blenheim not the current one)

French version ? Am I missing something ?

Maybe!  Both new and old Airfix Blenheim IVs come with RAF and Free French marking options.  The former has stubby exhausts, the latter more of the ‘hedgehog’ style associated with, e.g. Beaufighters.

The Old Mk IV’s exhaust options are best described as ‘stubby indistinct’ and ‘snake with rigor mortis and a bad case of acne’.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: NARSES2 on October 01, 2019, 06:34:14 am
Right, Free French  :thumbsup:

I thought that maybe the French had looked into the possibility of putting the Mk I Blenheim into service with the Armée de l'air immediately prior to WWII during their hasty rearmament and I'd missed it. They had quite a few one offs for trials, including at least one Spitfire.

Now that has given me an idea though. A Mk I in French 3 colour upper camouflage colours ?
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on October 08, 2019, 03:16:28 pm
Really trying hard to get this finished by the revised deadline.

Painting has started, duralumin undersides done (inevitable touching up anticipated), dark earth and dark green base coats applied to the uppers.  Tyres need doing, and a few odds and ends need fitting and painting eventually.

Top coats, decalling and varnishing will right up to the wire.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on October 13, 2019, 01:56:29 am
Some work-induced time-inhibiting setbacks plus a wedding have slowed progress.

Close to finishing by the deadline but not close enough - and I doubt the mods would grant a further extension (and I don’t have the brass neck to ask!), but will do as much as possible today and post pics later.

Will ensure it’s ready for Telford.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: NARSES2 on October 13, 2019, 06:37:58 am
I'll almost certainly be moving mine to the regular build section, so let me know if you'd likes yours moving Dave
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on October 13, 2019, 08:48:46 am
I'll almost certainly be moving mine to the regular build section, so let me know if you'd like yours moving Dave

Will think about it, Chris.  Might do what I’ve done a couple of times before and just pop the beauty pics in the build thread.  Dunno yet.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on October 13, 2019, 11:40:56 am
Anyway, final progress pics before the GB ends.  Will get a few odds an ends done this evening an few more tomorrow but next weekend now is the earliests it'll be finished.  Ah well.

The transparencies were surprisingly fiddly.  I say surprisingly as in my experience Matchbox kits have always fitted well.  Even the Meteor NF to me isn't as bad as some make it out to be.  The cockpit wasn't spot on (but wasn't too bad), while the rear gunner transparency was very odd.  Underscale I'd say.  Don't recall having such issues when I built my only Wellesley, but OK it was 20 years ago (and then it was left behind in Saudi Arabia).  Anyway, lots of Kristal Klear used around both and I think more needed for the gunner's transparency.

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Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: NARSES2 on October 14, 2019, 06:39:07 am
That's surprisingly attractive. A slightly longer nose, PR Blue overall and SEAC roundels would make it even more so  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on October 14, 2019, 07:28:07 am
That's surprisingly attractive. A slightly longer nose, PR Blue overall and SEAC roundels would make it even more so  :thumbsup:

Thanks Chris.
 
Technology a bit too old for SEAC scheme, but Tropical Sea Scheme circa 1941 would be nice for a Vildebeest alternative.  Wellesleys were of course designed to drop torpedoes.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: NARSES2 on October 15, 2019, 06:49:57 am
That's surprisingly attractive. A slightly longer nose, PR Blue overall and SEAC roundels would make it even more so  :thumbsup:

Thanks Chris.
 
Technology a bit too old for SEAC scheme, but Tropical Sea Scheme circa 1941 would be nice for a Vildebeest alternative.  Wellesleys were of course designed to drop torpedoes.

I suppose so. I always forget how late the what I regard as the "classic SEAC" scheme came about. It is probably my favourite scheme though  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington - FINISHED!
Post by: kitbasher on November 17, 2019, 04:01:38 am
So it missed the extended GB deadline but was ready for Telford.

A twin-engined development of the Vickers Wellesley, the Wellington emerged following an Air Ministry rethink of its maritime reconnaissance requirements in the mid-1930s.  The Avro Anson had been ordered in response to a request for tenders issued by the British Air Ministry for a maritime reconnaissance aircraft.  The type was placed into service with the Royal Air Force in 1936 and was initially used in the envisioned maritime reconnaissance operation alongside the larger flying boats.  The Air Marshalls quickly realised that the Anson's offensive weapon load was paltry; more was needed, and soon.

Meanwhile, Vickers had launched production of its Wellesley bomber.  Although a single-engined design, it's bomb load and range were considerably greater than the Anson's, and the Air Ministry saw potential in a 'fast-track' adaptation of the design to better satisfy its land-based maritime reconnaissance needs.  Two engines were required; although reliable, the Wellesley's single 925 hp Bristol Pegasus XX wasn't enough in the event of an engine failure over water, so Vickers took the simple expedient of replacing it with two lighter Bristol Mercury engines that each pushed out 920 hp.

Other than the engine mountings, main undercarriage and nose profile, the Wellington was essentially identical to the Wellesley.  while speed was increased, range reduced but it was still better than the Anson's and the bomb load still more than three times greater.

Wellingtons entered service in early 1938 and were the mainstay of Coastal Command's land-based maritime reconnaissance force until supplemented by the Hudson.  In the European Theatre they were slowly replaced by more capable types as the war progressed but continued to give sterling service over the eastern Mediterranean, the East African coast and Indian Ocean up to the end of 1944.  They also served in the search and rescue role over UK territorial waters (dropping inflatable life rafts and other survival gear from the distinctive panniers) right up to the end of 1946.

The model depicts Vickers Wellington I L1336, MW-F of 217 Squadron, based at St Eval during July 1940.

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The real L1336 was a Blenheim I (kitted by FROG), while the real MW-F was Anson I K6285. (https://flic.kr/p/2hKbjM6)
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 17, 2019, 04:53:57 am
Sr. Eval 1940? My Dad was there then, it's a pity he's no longer with us or I'd ask him about the Wellingtons.  ;D ;)

CRACKING model there Dave, I'm pleased to have seen it for real at Telford.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on November 17, 2019, 06:05:29 am
Thanks Kit, and I’m sure your dad DID tell you about the Wellingtons, you’ve just forgotten ;)
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: NARSES2 on November 17, 2019, 06:08:22 am
Glad to say it looks as good in the flesh as in the photos.

Nice one sir  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 17, 2019, 04:53:10 pm
Absolutely perfect!  :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: Old Wombat on November 17, 2019, 05:21:43 pm
Now, if you'd put a Wellington Bristol Pegasus Mark XVIII engine on the nose in place of the Wellesley's Pegasus XX (How did the XVIII end up with more power than the XX?) you'd have built my Vickers Welleslington concept!

Very nicely done, sir! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 17, 2019, 05:23:25 pm
Very good!!!  Came out a winner for sure if you ask me!
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: zenrat on November 18, 2019, 02:06:15 am
Noice.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 19, 2019, 12:45:01 am
That's a lovely piece of work!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: comrade harps on November 20, 2019, 04:09:34 am
That is really nice  <_<  :wub:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: TomZ on November 20, 2019, 10:33:44 am
Nice!!

TomZ
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: comrade harps on November 20, 2019, 03:50:04 pm
Just curious, what are the upper surface colours? I'm not sure if I'm looking at grey and green or grey  green and dark grey or if there's brown, dark grey and green?
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: kitbasher on November 20, 2019, 11:18:06 pm
Just curious, what are the upper surface colours? I'm not sure if I'm looking at grey and green or grey  green and dark grey or if there's brown, dark grey and green?

Dark Earth/Dark Green uppers, Aluminium undersides, comrade.  The camouflage pattern is that applied by the RAF to twin-engined aircraft and the colours and national markings are those applied to Ansons in 1940.  Will post up a pic showing the real MW-F later.
Title: Re: Vickers Wellington
Post by: comrade harps on November 21, 2019, 01:13:06 am
Just curious, what are the upper surface colours? I'm not sure if I'm looking at grey and green or grey  green and dark grey or if there's brown, dark grey and green?

Dark Earth/Dark Green uppers, Aluminium undersides, comrade.  The camouflage pattern is that applied by the RAF to twin-engined aircraft and the colours and national markings are those applied to Ansons in 1940.  Will post up a pic showing the real MW-F later.

That makes sense. Thanks:)