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Title: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 05:58:43 am
I have already drawn many Lightnings, Mustangs, Mirages with unconventional number of engines, but I am willing to invent some more. Thanks for this challenge.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 06:44:23 am
First, here are P-38 Lightnings with a 3rd engine, central, tractor, above:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_et.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 07:52:46 am
And Mustangs with an additional engine, for antitorque effect (and increasing speed also):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_ch.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 08:30:12 am
Like the English Electric Lightning, the Mirajning (derivative of the Mirage 5) featured 2 jets one above the other, without asymmetry if one is shut off for cruise flight:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_co.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 09:12:08 am
The (single-engine single-seat) Twin-Engine Mustangs were not (twin-engine twin-fuselage) Twin-Mustangs...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_ba.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 01, 2019, 11:22:19 am

Like the English Electric Lightning, the Mirajning (derivative of the Mirage 5) featured 2 jets one above the other, without asymmetry if one is shut off for cruise flight:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_co.jpg)


Looking very much like a Nord Griffon, also French.  ;D

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/7488/1Rba4C.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 09:35:03 pm
The Mirajning (and the EE Lightning) had 2 turbojets, 2 jet exhausts.
The Nord Griffon had a turbo-ramjet (does this count as 2 engines ?), 1 jet exhaust.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 09:53:06 pm
There were Mustangs having 3 little jets in the tail for boosting performance:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_ci.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 01, 2019, 11:37:55 pm

The Mirajning (and the EE Lightning) had 2 turbojets, 2 jet exhausts.
The Nord Griffon had a turbo-ramjet (does this count as 2 engines ?), 1 jet exhaust.


Yes, I know that Tophe, but the layout is similar to your design. I think the turbo-ramjet did count as being twin-engined,  even though the turbine was actually inside the ramjet part.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 02, 2019, 12:14:54 am
Thanks!

I think the turbo-ramjet did count as being twin-engined,
Does a motorjet (piston + afterburner) also count as 2 engines?

More simple, the Turbomeca Mirage used 2 little jets:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cp.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 02, 2019, 01:36:03 am
The small diameter rear propeller has 6 blades:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_bg.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 02, 2019, 06:14:28 am
On the P-512s, each nose had 2 tractor engines:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_cj.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 02, 2019, 11:41:22 pm
The small diameter rear propeller has 6 blades:
These other push-pull Mustangs had normal propeller on the rear but featured a nose wheel (and tail up):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_bi.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 03, 2019, 01:22:43 am
Some tandem Twin-Lightnings had 4 engines:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_eu.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 03, 2019, 04:19:13 am
This 3-engined Mustang biplane was the missing link between P-51D and P-82:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_ck.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 03, 2019, 07:10:57 am
With just these profiles, I don't know if the Mustalinas biplanes had 2 or 3 engines (1 ou 2 engines above):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_bj.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Robomog on July 03, 2019, 07:35:05 am
oooh !   Like that Mustalina, a good one to do in plastic !

Mog
>^-.-^<
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 03, 2019, 09:48:14 am
Does a motorjet (piston + afterburner) also count as 2 engines?
Anyway: piston+turbojet = 2 engines:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_bk.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 03, 2019, 10:58:56 am
The 8-engined B-52 was so impressive at Le Bourget airshow (1969?), French generals wanted 8-engined aircraft also:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cq.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 03, 2019, 10:48:54 pm
Mustangs with rocket engine(s):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_bm.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 04, 2019, 03:46:21 am
Rocket 4-engined Lightnings: (fast!)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_ew.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 04, 2019, 11:21:21 am
When the Lightning became a sailplane, step by step, its big wing was cleaner and cleaner:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_ex.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 04, 2019, 05:11:08 pm
LOVELY!  :wub:
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 11, 2019, 05:17:58 am
Thanks!

from https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=20326.4860 :
More seriously, dear tonton42 sent me (as PM) a photograph of the beautiful Taurus G4 Pipistrelle, so I show here the Lockheed ancestors of it:
There were Twin-Mustang ancestors of the Pipistrelle too, single-engined:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_cm.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 13, 2019, 11:33:07 am
Another Mirage5 with 4 engines, the Mirage 5B1 was copied by pirate engineers "designing" the B-1 Lancer... :-\
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cr.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 14, 2019, 10:27:02 am
The P-82s had a length much bigger than the P-51s, but some twin-engined twin-fuselage P-51s were designed in 1941-44: symmetric P-51ZA, P-51ZC, P-51ZD, P-51ZJ (with the same profile as P-51A, C, D, J hiding the tailplane), asymmetric P-51ZAC, P-51ZDJ:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_bs.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 19, 2019, 09:48:10 pm
The Mustangs built in USSR were, like the S Sparka, twin-engined, and fast!:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_co.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 21, 2019, 02:30:09 am
This Mirage 5000 derivative of the 5 (with twin jets and twin noses) was not mass produced: the Armée-de-l'Air answered "we could buy 30 copies but we have not the budget to buy the huge ladders to climb aboard..." :-\ :angry: ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cs.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 21, 2019, 02:39:44 am
With 3 engines, the Pyramid Mustang was an invention of my son (10 y.o.), I just had to make it as drawing:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_cp.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 21, 2019, 03:20:57 am
Jacky's got potential their Tophe.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 24, 2019, 03:55:31 am
Thanks!

The Delanne Lightnings were much faster than the underpowered American Lightnings:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_ff.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 24, 2019, 07:09:27 am
There were fast Mustangs with twin lateral engines driving central propellers, but... I don't know on which planet :unsure: :-\
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_ca.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 24, 2019, 09:49:45 pm
I was not remembering the transmission words for the ones above, I think this is "by shafts and gears", no?
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 26, 2019, 07:02:02 am
Our friend PYF42 did not finish his Mustang/Whirlwing model, but as drawing it is more easy:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cb.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 27, 2019, 09:26:33 pm
Our friend PYF42 did not finish his Mustang/Whirlwing model, but as drawing it is more easy:
Before the triplex-engine mass production, the prototypes were "just" twin-engined…:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cd.jpg)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_ce.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 29, 2019, 09:19:25 pm
In these families, some mass-produced twin-engined models were pushers:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_ch.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on July 31, 2019, 08:41:20 am
Among Mirages 5 with 2 jets, some were looking like Mystère 20 and HondaJet:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cv.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 07, 2019, 09:17:49 am
Among the P-51s with piston + jet tail, only the DC-10 version was mass produced but this is true, this is History! (alas, due to the top top secret, all articles about the Mustang DC-10 are using fake photographs, of an airliner!!!):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cm.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: kerick on August 07, 2019, 05:43:02 pm
I've been thinking about an F-86 with two engines like the Skyfox conversion of the T-33. Perhaps a J-85 engine in a pod on each side of the fuselage and a nose cone over the air intake.

Here's a pic of the Skyfox.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48484543102_df893cb06f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gSpXuj)

Do you think you could draw an F-86 similar to this? I'm afraid I don't know how to do it on the computer.
Your P51DC-10 is awesome!
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 07, 2019, 09:37:37 pm
Thanks!
Is your dream like this?:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_co.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 08, 2019, 04:01:38 am
Is your dream like this?:
As far as I am concerned, I would use a canard layout with these rear jets:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cp.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 08, 2019, 08:23:53 am
The Mirage 5LR (long range) was a new interceptor: instead of waiting on the ground and taking off in urgency to counter an enemy, it was waiting in altitude (subsonic flight on the piston engine in the nose) during hours, only using jet and afterburner for a supersonic dash if necessary:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cw.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: kerick on August 08, 2019, 11:38:11 am
Thanks!
Is your dream like this?:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_co.jpg)

Just like that! Well done! The Mustang versions are an extra bonus. Thank you very much.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 08, 2019, 09:42:08 pm
Thanks a lot!
The Mustang addition was not a bonus but a need to match the title of this topic... ;)

Now here is a subsonic COIN twin-turboprop Mirage:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cy.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 09, 2019, 01:04:58 am
Put those props/engines on swivels and you've got a VTOL Mirage too.  ;D
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 09, 2019, 05:27:00 am
Thanks! (with tilting propellers of course):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_cz.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 09, 2019, 09:00:43 am
There was a Mirage prototype with 4 jets like on the Su-10 and Short Sperrin:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_db.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 09, 2019, 02:26:09 pm

There was a Mirage prototype with 4 jets like on the Su-10 and Short Sperrin:


Or the Vickers Swallow too, except the Swallows jets pivoted as the wings swept.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 09, 2019, 10:03:05 pm
Uh? How do you know this relation to the Swallow? In France it is still top secret so many years later…: :-\ :unsure: ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dc.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 09, 2019, 10:22:50 pm
Still about top secret aircraft with 4 jets: here is the one that broke the sound barrier in 1945, a "special" Mustang…
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cr.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 11, 2019, 07:58:52 pm
The young designer Shakespear Jr wondered: "the Mustang is a push-pull fighter, all right, but 'twin-boom or not twin-boom?', that is the question!". Alas the USAAF Orders Department answered : "None!".
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_ct.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 12, 2019, 12:21:10 am
With more than just 2 engines, the P-38 reached the transsonic speeds, destroying the airframe alas:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fo.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: sideshowbob9 on August 12, 2019, 03:46:34 am
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dc.jpg)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_ce.jpg)

I LOVE these!  :wub:
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 15, 2019, 07:03:52 am
Thanks!

Then in late 1944, the USAAF required a Mustang modification, with at least 3 times more speed and a free nose like the P-38. It was built and flown, alas it crashed against the sound barrier:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_ct.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 15, 2019, 07:54:02 am
They should have swept the wings and tail and then it may have broken THROUGH the sound barrier......  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 15, 2019, 09:02:13 am
Yes Kit, you are very right: I have checked the archives, and... the one below (designed in 1945) reached Mach 1.02 in 1946 (April 1st), in a vertical dive, before crashing on the ground, but with a medal of Honor for the pilot ('s widow): :-\ ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_cv.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 15, 2019, 09:50:18 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 17, 2019, 07:07:20 am
thanks!

And you know: the TriLightnings and QuadLightning were fast but with bad maneuverability:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fw.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 17, 2019, 07:42:02 am
Among the lighter derivatives, 2 of them were single-engined:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fx.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 17, 2019, 11:05:04 pm
The airplanes being both asymmetric and supersonic are very rare. This twin-engined Mirage was one of them:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dd.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 25, 2019, 11:19:18 pm
Inspired by Dizzyfugu's quad-engine Boeing 727 (see https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=46769.30 ), here is a subsonic Mirage with 4 engines as well:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_df.jpg)
PS. Here VC does not mean Viet-Cong but Vickers Copyright or something like that.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 26, 2019, 06:56:37 am
from my double F-20 topic:
Years ago I started a project to siamese two F-5s together belly to belly to make a four-engined version.
These BeBe-38A, B, C have a Weaver Copyright! Thanks!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fy.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 27, 2019, 11:35:15 pm
Another weird twin-engined Mirage 5 (refused), with jets happy to eat the pilot if using his ejection seat:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dg.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 28, 2019, 06:34:19 am
These BeBe-38A, B, C have a Weaver Copyright! Thanks!
Here are other Lightnings with 4 engines driving 2 sets of contrarotative propellers, with shaft and gear:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fz.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 28, 2019, 10:52:10 am
In the famous code "P-51D", what was the meaning of D? I think this stands for Dornier:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_cx.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on August 31, 2019, 12:24:33 am
This is famous, this is History: after the (Mustang P-51D) Dornier 335 push-pull came the (Mustang P-51C) Cessna 336 push-pull and its derivative the Cessna 337.  Not crazy dreams of mine but mass produced aircraft! ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_db.jpg)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_dc.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: NARSES2 on August 31, 2019, 02:30:26 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 01, 2019, 08:08:46 am
The Mirage 5 LR was abnormal having 2 engines but this was not its main special feature...:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dh.jpg)
(being a VTOL tailsitter with annular wing was more impressive)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 01, 2019, 10:17:44 am
Like a supersonic Coleoptere!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 03, 2019, 04:21:16 am
Thanks!

And among Lightnings whose pilot is lateral, one had 3 engines (center below):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_gb.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 04, 2019, 09:02:54 am
Similar to Lightnings, Mustangs were mainly twin-boom twin-engine single-seaters:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cv.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 04, 2019, 10:08:12 am
Similar to Lightnings, Mustangs were mainly twin-boom twin-engine single-seaters:
Some versions had less cooling and more speed (and more beauty according to me [I am not very serious, sorry]): ;)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cw.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 05, 2019, 04:20:30 am
Other versions had 4 booms or 2 little ones:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cx.jpg)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_cz.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 06, 2019, 05:49:50 am
Other versions had 4 booms or 2 little ones:
Some other Mustangs had a single boom, but of course they had 2 engines: ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_da.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 06, 2019, 07:24:26 am
Of course, many 3-engined Mustangs have also been built, but less than 1,000 copies of each one: ;)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_db.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 06, 2019, 08:15:10 am
There were also single-boom 3-engined push-pull Mustangs but they failed to reach success: ;)
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_dc.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 06, 2019, 09:57:15 am
The major Mustangs with single boom had no lateral engines:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_dd.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 06, 2019, 10:42:00 am
The biplane version of the Mustang had increased maneuverability but required an additional little engine (because of the bigger aerodynamic drag):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_de.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 06, 2019, 10:42:15 pm
Fighters with 4 piston engines were very rare, maybe this Mustang prototype was the only one ever...:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_df.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 07, 2019, 08:43:18 am
The Tri-Stang of PR19_Kit (at https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=37049.180 ) was a P-82 with 3 tractor engines,
and my Triplestang below is a P-51 with 3 push-pull engines:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_df.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 08, 2019, 02:19:49 am
Becoming triplex-boom, the Lightning had room for many engines:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_gd.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 08, 2019, 11:03:42 am
Mustangs were mainly twin-engine single-seaters
Some rare Mustangs were featuring 3 little engines, this was very safe:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_dm.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 09, 2019, 09:44:51 am
In "fact" (I must tell you "The Truth"): the Trislander was a derivative of Mustangs, here are the missing links with passengers:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_do.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 09, 2019, 11:44:48 am
The P-51AT used a little extra engine as pusher for anti torque reason, with high success:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_dp.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 13, 2019, 11:04:32 am
In 1971, the only twin-engined biplane reaching Mach 2 was a Mirage:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dj.jpg)
Despite its long range, no order came, and the taxpayers smiled...
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 23, 2019, 11:40:50 am
The twin-engined Mirage 5X-3 was very sharp but failed to become supersonic... :-\
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dk.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 23, 2019, 12:02:45 pm
Looks like a baby Mirage IV.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 24, 2019, 05:53:45 am
Thanks Kit! ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage6_dm.jpg)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 24, 2019, 06:21:03 am
Now there's a thought...…

The Mirage IV has a very wide rear decking as it's twin engined, and twin fins would suit it very well. It'd look like a manned Navaho missile even!

And I have TWO Mirage IV kits in The Loft at home as well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on September 24, 2019, 10:38:47 am
Uh, thanks to remind me the twin-fin version of the Mirage IV: ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Mirage_iv_biderive.jpg)
But this one has 3 engines side by side, even it cannot be seen from this angle (or is this a requirement of this GB?) ;)
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: wuzak on November 21, 2019, 04:22:11 pm
Before the triplex-engine mass production, the prototypes were "just" twin-engined…:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_ce.jpg)

Were there any derivatives like the Grumman XF5F.
Title: Re: Lightning, Mustang, Mirage with abnormal number of engines
Post by: Tophe on November 21, 2019, 09:21:23 pm
Thanks for this question, while… as this GB is closed now, I answer in my Mustang CGI topic:
https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=4461.2190