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Title: Mustang Flapjack (finished page 5)
Post by: Tophe on June 27, 2019, 10:30:41 pm
My next model project may be a combination of Heller P-51D and Boeing 390 (Unicraft 1/72, see http://www.unicraft.biz/on/b390/b390.htm and our friend TomZ built one see http://www.unicraft.biz/bigph1/b390-zuijdwegt.htm ). The kits are not ordered yet but maybe soon. ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_ad.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on June 28, 2019, 01:41:25 am
Interesting project. :) 
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 02:46:56 am
Thanks. ;)
Now the Boeing part is ordered, and I may buy the North Am kit when I want in the toy store in the town near here.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: zenrat on June 28, 2019, 03:40:09 am
Flaptang...

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 04:03:44 am
Thanks for this funny name! ;D Adopted! :thumbsup: (Copyright zenrat? expensive?) :unsure:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: zenrat on June 28, 2019, 04:43:40 am
Thanks for this funny name! ;D Adopted! :thumbsup: (Copyright zenrat? expensive?) :unsure:

Free to my friends.

 ;)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 05:33:54 am
Hurrah! ;D
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 28, 2019, 06:27:55 am
I can already see the Twin-Flaptang, made from a Vought XF5U-1 wing with a Mustang engine pod on each tip, with a Mustang canopy in the middle.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on June 28, 2019, 06:47:38 am
I can already see the Twin-Flaptang, made from a Vought XF5U-1 wing with a Mustang engine pod on each tip, with a Mustang canopy in the middle.  ;D ;)

That would probably have worked better than what they actually used.  :D
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 07:29:47 am
I can already see the Twin-Flaptang, made from a Vought XF5U-1 wing with a Mustang engine pod on each tip, with a Mustang canopy in the middle.  ;D ;)
That would probably have worked better than what they actually used.  :D
;D Thanks for this similar idea (like a family...): I draw it but I will not build this one I think:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_af.jpg)
With these "normal" propellers, maybe the Twin-Flaptang would be less STOL than the F5U but faster(?) :unsure:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: kerick on June 28, 2019, 07:47:54 am
You know this is how all the flying saucer stories started!
Tophe, you will be getting a visit from the Men in Black soon.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 08:02:03 am
I have not seen the Men in Black films sorry, but Wikipedia explains and I understand :thumbsup:
Here is a slanting view of the Flaptang project (to be built soon: in 1945)... :unsure: :-\ ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_persp_A_ce.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: b29r on June 28, 2019, 08:13:21 am
I'm popping the popcorn right now, to sit back and enjoy this  :wub:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: kerick on June 28, 2019, 08:20:12 am
I agree with the popcorn idea! This will be fun to watch. Will you go with the dark sea blue paint color?
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 28, 2019, 08:48:12 am

With these "normal" propellers, maybe the Twin-Flaptang would be less STOL than the F5U but faster(?) :unsure:


More than likely, as the F5U didn't fly at all, STOL or no.  ;) ;D

Your drawing is EXACTLY how I imagined it, I like that a lot.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 10:21:18 am
Thanks!
As far as I am concerned, I don't require airplanes to fly: for me they are just pretty objects (except the very old pioneers, not aerodynamic).
And concerning the what-if absurd spirit, here are cousins of the Twin-Flaptang:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_ah.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: kerick on June 28, 2019, 10:47:08 am
Now I have another idea for something I must build! The list is very long! Donít worry, it would be different from the Flapstang.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on June 28, 2019, 10:51:37 am
 :thumbsup:

At first I thought you meant this:
(http://www.oldmodelkits.com/jpegs/m/Monogram%207503%20Flap%20Jack.JPG)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2389/5713452748_71f92d5cda_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 11:31:03 am
Now I have another idea for something I must build! The list is very long! Donít worry, it would be different from the Flapstang.
Thanks to be inspired by my delirium. ;D

At first I thought you meant this:
Thanks I did not know this, I may use the profile to add a Mustang/Monogram-Flapjack hybrid. I may try.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on June 28, 2019, 12:40:51 pm
I thought this version might be more to your taste, Tophe.

(https://i.imgur.com/IXSb5r4.png)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: TallEng on June 28, 2019, 01:16:06 pm
That last one looks like it would fly like a Catherine wheel :o
Unless of course the rear engine is a pusher?
And like a lot of Tophe designs on the Mustang I'm strangely drawn to it :wub: (luckily I don't have a Flapjack, although Mustangs...) ;D

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 28, 2019, 09:11:43 pm
Thanks!

I thought this version might be more to your taste, Tophe.
:wub: Wow! So good a dream! And now the name Scotaidh appears in gold letters in the History of Asymmetric Aircraft (at the temporary end of my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Asymm_addition.htm )... :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on June 29, 2019, 02:13:30 am
Thanks!

I thought this version might be more to your taste, Tophe.
:wub: Wow! So good a dream! And now the name Scotaidh appears in gold letters in the History of Asymmetric Aircraft (at the temporary end of my site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/Asymm_addition.htm )... :thumbsup: :bow:

Oh - thanks, buddy!  Really, compared to you I'm just a neophyte at this stuff.
I was just thinking I might have to try one of these - I have lots of small plastic saucers I bought for the Plate challenge.  I'd need to get in some cheap Mustangs - not my favourite plane, so I don't have any in stock, so to speak.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 29, 2019, 04:07:21 am
 I am glad you are inspired... ;)

 
At first I thought you meant this:
Thanks I did not know this, I may use the profile to add a Mustang/Monogram-Flapjack hybrid. I may try.
The missing links are proving the Monogram Flapjack was a Mustang (thanks!), see:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_at.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: ericr on June 29, 2019, 04:57:56 am


another excellent thread !  :thumbsup:

full of surprises and mind-boggling stuff  ;D

Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 29, 2019, 06:20:07 am
Thanks a lot!
While, now, the crazy delirium is finished and, seriously, I present the 2 "normal" versions of Scotaidh's asymmetric marvel:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_aj.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on June 29, 2019, 08:07:13 am
Ha!  The four-engined one reminds me of a flying squirrel!  :)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: kerick on June 29, 2019, 08:13:49 am
With the two cockpits can it fly equally well in either direction???
Canít wait to see what the landing gear looks like!
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 29, 2019, 09:36:48 am
With the two cockpits can it fly equally well in either direction???
Yes, but the problem was creating a Variable Profile wing (to produce lift in both directions).

Canít wait to see what the landing gear looks like!
Sorry I will not build this one (only the P-51DB-390), but probably there would have been 4 main landing gears.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 29, 2019, 12:31:17 pm
I like the pusher version, bit it'd need VERY tall landing gear, as the Flapjack had a huge angle of attack for take-off.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 29, 2019, 10:13:14 pm
A very tall landing gear would be fragile, so this design would be refused in the design bureau, but we what-ifers may enjoy the waste coming from wrong designs, exploring imperfect possibilities... ;D
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 30, 2019, 07:56:04 am
With the prototype V-173, it would be possible also:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_ak.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on June 30, 2019, 09:59:19 pm
And there was like a Flapjack Tristang:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_am.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 30, 2019, 10:54:42 pm
Oh yes!  :thumbsup:

It'd cost a FORTUNE to build in plastic though.  :o

And shouldn't it have a contra-prop on the centre engine?
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 12:03:43 am
Yes, thanks! :thumbsup:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_an.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 01:30:10 am
The same could be done on the Boeing basis:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_ao.jpg)
I will not build this one anyway, but the single engine one. I have ordered the Mustang kit because I needed tubes of putty and they will come together to my home, but a single Mustang, not 3... :-\ ;D
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 01:52:39 am
Out of the Flapjack subject, here is the related Triplex Engine Mustang, "normal"... ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_ap.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: zenrat on July 01, 2019, 03:17:23 am
Out of the Flapjack subject, here is the related Triplex Engine Mustang, "normal"... ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_ap.jpg)

Tritang?  :unsure:

Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: ericr on July 01, 2019, 03:33:14 am
The same could be done on the Boeing basis:



I will not build this one anyway, but the single engine one. I have ordered the Mustang kit because I needed tubes of putty and they will come together to my home, but a single Mustang, not 3... :-\ ;D


great ideas, very doable in plastic (with a sufficient stash, that is)



Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on July 01, 2019, 03:57:42 am
Out of the Flapjack subject, here is the related Triplex Engine Mustang, "normal"... ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_ap.jpg)

Tritang?  :unsure:

I think the only role for this aircraft is reconnoissance.  There's certainly nowhere to put ordnance without resorting to synchronization - and I've never liked that.  It seems to me that it'd reduce the rate of fire - only a good thing in hand-held weaponry, IMHO.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 01, 2019, 04:21:52 am
I think the only role for this aircraft is reconnoissance.
In my (pacifist) mind, the only role is "enjoyment" (for dreamers)... ;D
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on July 01, 2019, 10:59:59 am
I am glad you are inspired... ;)

 
At first I thought you meant this:
Thanks I did not know this, I may use the profile to add a Mustang/Monogram-Flapjack hybrid. I may try.
The missing links are proving the Monogram Flapjack was a Mustang (thanks!), see:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil02_at.jpg)

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Love it.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 02, 2019, 12:14:55 pm
Thanks!
Ahem, I would not be myself without considering (at least) one asymmetric version:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_dessu_A_aq.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: kerick on July 02, 2019, 04:15:48 pm
I think the only role for this aircraft is reconnoissance.
In my (pacifist) mind, the only role is "enjoyment" (for dreamers)... ;D

Reconnaissance over the beach in the summer time.......
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Captain Canada on July 02, 2019, 05:44:35 pm
Great ideas Tophe. The Mustang is such a beautiful, shapely aeroplane, you can only make it better !
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: kerick on July 02, 2019, 09:12:57 pm

I will not build this one anyway, but the single engine one. I have ordered the Mustang kit because I needed tubes of putty and they will come together to my home, but a single Mustang, not 3... :-\ ;D

If you order an F-82 that would be only one more kit..........
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 05, 2019, 03:05:41 am
Too late: the order has been sent days ago.
And remember the F-82 was not at all a double Mustang (source: book "Edgar Shmued, Mustang designer"), but adding Mustang canopies to a twin-fuselage independent (far bigger) drawing (RD-1410 if I remember well).
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 08, 2019, 04:26:27 am
The Mustang kit arrived quickly from France, but I am still waiting for the Boeing 390 coming from Ukraine.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3242_p51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 08, 2019, 09:39:07 am
This afternoon, I had the great joy  ;D to receive the Boeing 390!
Igor has been very efficient in urgent delivery (I told him I may be absent, in hospital, if the parcel comes late)...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3244_p51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 08, 2019, 09:41:35 am
With a few drops of glue, the project takes shape already...
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3245_p51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 08, 2019, 09:58:35 am
Another Tophe Wonderplane in the making!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: ericr on July 08, 2019, 10:05:28 am
Another Tophe Wonderplane in the making!  :thumbsup:


 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 10, 2019, 09:19:04 am
Thanks a lot!

Update (before sanding):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3246_P-51Bo-290.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: kerick on July 10, 2019, 10:56:12 am
Lots of potential there, both on the right and left! Iíll be watching for further updates.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 13, 2019, 12:34:26 pm
Thanks!

Going on:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3266_P-51Bo390.jpg)
A lot of PSR is coming...
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 14, 2019, 03:05:17 am
Today's update:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3268_P51Bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 15, 2019, 09:09:19 am
update with more putty:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3273_p-51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: TomZ on July 15, 2019, 11:30:21 am
Looks good Tophe!

TomZ
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 15, 2019, 02:19:38 pm
Very promising.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on July 16, 2019, 01:38:56 am
Hmmm - you've out-ovaled the Spitfire's wings ... I didn't think that possible!  :D  Well done!    :mellow:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 16, 2019, 01:54:26 am
Thanks a lot! ;D
(I hope the final result will not disappoint youÖ) :unsure: :-\
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on July 16, 2019, 01:59:52 am
Disappoint?  Never so far. 

Surprize?  Oh, hellz yeah!  :)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 16, 2019, 10:12:48 am
Thanks! ;D

Today much progress on the Boeing-fuselaged part, very little progress on the North-Am-fuselaged part: :-\
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3276_p51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: ericr on July 16, 2019, 11:05:10 am

they are both taking shape
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 19, 2019, 03:45:15 am
Thanks!
while... PSR is a rather boring step, and not to loose enthusiast, I had fun drawing mixes of Boeing 390 Flapjack and Lockheed P-38:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fe.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: salt6 on July 19, 2019, 10:49:22 am
Thanks!
while... PSR is a rather boring step, and not to loose enthusiast, I had fun drawing mixes of Boeing 390 Flapjack and Lockheed P-38:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fe.jpg)

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on July 19, 2019, 12:49:21 pm
Thanks!
while... PSR is a rather boring step, and not to loose enthusiast, I had fun drawing mixes of Boeing 390 Flapjack and Lockheed P-38:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fe.jpg)

I like those!  I may have to build one ... just need the wing.  Hmmmm ...
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 21, 2019, 08:26:19 am
Thanks a lot!
Now building the 2 models seems finished, ready for paint:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3280_p-51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 21, 2019, 08:33:44 am
With blue paint, the white & beige mixes find unity... ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3281_p-51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 22, 2019, 04:56:04 am
Now painting the side above (the black pen will finish them tomorrow probably):
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3282_P-51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 23, 2019, 10:05:03 am
The models are finished, I feel satisfied... ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/IMG_3295_p-51bo390.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 23, 2019, 10:06:52 am
From 4 angles:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_IMG_3286_p-51bo390_x4.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack (finished page 5)
Post by: ericr on July 23, 2019, 01:22:37 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack (finished page 5)
Post by: kerick on July 23, 2019, 01:32:30 pm
Very nice! I would have never thought of that!
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Tophe on July 26, 2019, 05:59:17 am
I had fun drawing mixes of Boeing 390 Flapjack and Lockheed P-38:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fe.jpg)
I like those!  I may have to build one ... just need the wing.  Hmmmm ...
Thanks!
If I were rich... I would offer you one copy of Unicraft Boeing 390... (alas I am ill, disabled, and the AXA so bad insurance company refused to pay)... :-\ :angry: :unsure:
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack (finished page 5)
Post by: TallEng on July 26, 2019, 09:48:46 am
I have no idea why,
but to me there's definitely some kind of flying squirrel vibe to that last P.38/390 flapjack mix  :thumbsup:
Just as well I don't possess a P.38 type Lightning.... With a spot of filler and some plastikard that ought to be
Eminently doable :lol:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack
Post by: Scotaidh on July 26, 2019, 11:01:37 am
I had fun drawing mixes of Boeing 390 Flapjack and Lockheed P-38:
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P38_persp_C_fe.jpg)
I like those!  I may have to build one ... just need the wing.  Hmmmm ...
Thanks!
If I were rich... I would offer you one copy of Unicraft Boeing 390... (alas I am ill, disabled, and the AXA so bad insurance company refused to pay)... :-\ :angry: :unsure:

Many thanks for the thought, my friend - but I thought I'd have a go at using plastic plates for the wing.  I still have a bunch of those from the "Plates in Space" Challenge I put out on StarShipModeler.  Not knowing what I would build, I just bought a bunch of plate-shapes from the Dollar Store.  In the end, of course, I used something else so I still have most of the plates.  :)
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack (finished page 5)
Post by: Tophe on July 26, 2019, 07:19:23 pm
Great! :thumbsup:
(Plastic plates or plastikard or resin parts, all would be well!) ;D
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack (finished page 5)
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 26, 2019, 08:16:58 pm
Hey, very nice!! I do like these!  The Flapjack looks down near aquatic.
Title: Re: Mustang Flapjack (finished page 5)
Post by: TomZ on August 05, 2019, 11:03:05 am
I love those. Looking great Tophe!

TomZ