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GROUP BUILDS => The Engines - More or Less G.B. => Topic started by: TheChronicOne on June 19, 2019, 08:38:08 pm

Title: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 19, 2019, 08:38:08 pm
I'm going to go ahead and plunk down a property stake in this GB because I'm very much looking forward to making this build!

I'm taking two of what are reported to be crappy kits and smashing them together. I'm hoping the overall fitment and engineering is nice and the "crappy" part refers to accuracy or something (wishful thinking I bet).  ;D   Since it's whif, the "accuracy" doesn't matter worth a flip but I don't want to spend eons on PSR.  :thumbsup: 

So anyway, two Mister Craft SUD Caravelle kits will be sacrificed.

(https://i.imgur.com/HwVD1Zo.jpg)

I'm going to add a couple engines to the two existing in a VC-10/Tu-62 type of configuration. At the same time, I'm going to insert a fuselage plug forward of the wing to stretch the Caravelle. The added fuselage length will magically balance perfectly with the additional engines for a most glorious aircraft.

Livery TBD.  Leaning toward United, though. It's such a lovely scheme... 
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: rickshaw on June 19, 2019, 10:14:48 pm
Remember, you are not allowed to start until 1 July!
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 20, 2019, 12:48:23 am
Who mastered the Mistercraft Caravelle? Is it a re-pop of the old Airfix kit?
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Nils on June 20, 2019, 02:30:06 am
ive built it some time ago, its horribly old, its a rebox of the60's RUCH/RPM kit.
we really need a new tool caravelle kit in this scale.

https://hangar47.com/se-210-caravelle-preview/
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 20, 2019, 07:13:09 am
Looking at the sprue shots, that IS the Airfix kit for sure.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 20, 2019, 07:33:55 am
I heard it was a clone but can't remember who said it though. Makes sense considering the separate door pieces. A handy kit feature that I .... don't like.  ;D  At least there's just one on this thing, unlike the bigger ones like 747.  ;D 

I just happened to have my Airfix kit available. Top is Mistercraft, bottom is Airfix:

(https://i.imgur.com/wXQ2CMJ.jpg)

Yup, definitely Airfix roots. Some changes have been made, however....   nose shape and the windows. The new windows are HORRIBLE. They's TOO sharp and they all sit tilted!!  ;D  I'm praying that the black border around the kit window decals will sit over these just right to correct them.

Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 20, 2019, 02:31:32 pm
Remember, you are not allowed to start until 1 July!

Wilco!!! In fact, I might not even be able to start it until a day or two later with the nutty schedule I've made for myself mowing lawns.  ;D

Funny thing is, before I knew this GB existed, I nearly started this thing about 3 weeks ago and stopped because I didn't have a miter box.  :o ;D  SO, thanks to not having necessary supplies, I get to participate. One of very few times where not having the things I need winds up benefiting me.  :wacko:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 03, 2019, 04:27:47 pm
As anticipated, I'm a couple days late getting started, but I'm finally underway!  :laugh: 

It was bit awkward using my razor saw and miter box (first time) but did the appropriate cuts to the two sets of fuselage halves. It turned out a bit wonky and I had to use my big file to get everything back in alignment. It wasn't bad, however, so it didn't take long and it now looks really nice!! I've eyeballed it from multiple angles; down the nose, from the bottom, top, all sides, etc. and it is nearly dead on. There will be slight gaps where the cuts were made but easily filled and sanded over.  :thumbsup: 

After that, I cut out some sprue rods and glued a couple into the forward and a couple more into the rear sections of the halves on either side to serve as alignment, reinforcement, and "slides" to allow me to make fine adjustments once I join the front and rear fuselage pieces.

Here's a bit of what the extra length will look like.

(https://i.imgur.com/vZc361d.jpg)

It's not a huge extension. I don't know anything about the engines that were on the Caravelle that are represented with this kit, but I imagine with 4 of them, she'll be overengined.  :wacko:    Perhaps in my background story, one reason why this thing was made was in order to do over ocean flights, despite having a surplus of engines making it heavier and more expensive (although slightly offset by the additional seats of course!   ;D  ).   Or whatever.. I'm not too good at background stories and all that.  :angel:

I came up with a solution to the windows problem of having to deal with decals that are clear where the windows are, and meant to overlap the clear windows that I glued in. Well, in order to avoid all KINDS of problems (spacing, aligment, accuracy, etc. ) I'm going to go ahead and fill them all in and later on paint a black stripe down the fuselage like a cheatline (which it really is in this instance!! ) and when I put the decals on, the clear window holes will sit on the black strip and I will have avoided all the drama.

So that's that I guess. Here's one of the cut fuselage halves, windows in, and with the alignment posts.

(https://i.imgur.com/lIdyEka.jpg)

 :lol:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: kerick on July 03, 2019, 06:35:03 pm
I love it when a plan comes together!!
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Old Wombat on July 03, 2019, 08:07:09 pm
You taking on Kit in the str-r-retched airliner stakes, Bro? :o

Brave man! ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Tophe on July 03, 2019, 10:04:36 pm
I'm going to add a couple engines to the two existing in a VC-10/Tu-62 type of configuration.
I love this project! The first aircraft I went aboard was a Caravelle (aged 7 months old in summer 1964) and I clap my hands for this family extension! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 03, 2019, 11:31:19 pm

You taking on Kit in the str-r-retched airliner stakes, Bro? :o

Brave man! ;D


He's got a loooooong way to go.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 04, 2019, 12:12:04 am
I like the idea and the concept, too - and esp. with a Caravelle this change should look great. Considered such a build, too (with resin engines for a VC10 which I saw in a LHS), but shelved the idea becaue I was not quick enough.  ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 05, 2019, 02:52:51 am
You taking on Kit in the str-r-retched airliner stakes, Bro? :o

Brave man! ;D

I'd have to buy 10 more of these things to reach that level.  ;D   

Which leads me to my next thought of what to do with a stubby engine-less Caravelle (the left-overs). I'd like to kitbash and scale o rama it into a 1/72 trainer or possibly attacker or something.


Thanks everyone!!!   More today. I'd like to get the new fuselage together if I can but I need to add weight still and put in doors and....  uhh... bulkheads and maybe one or two other little items before I do so but I'd sure like to have a look at the fully-together lengthened fuselage. I can then grab the wings and mock eerything up for a pic or two.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 05, 2019, 03:08:19 am
I did this to a Mistercraft Caravelle...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/3750/33092075292_31df1db057_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sqex5h)
1:144 Ilyushin Il-60A (NATO ASCC code: Cake); aircraft "CCCP-60014" of the "Аэрофло́т-Росси́йские авиали́нии (Aeroflot-Rossiyskiye avialinii, Aeroflot Russian Airlines); Moscow Vnukovo Airport, 1976 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/Sqex5h) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on July 05, 2019, 04:00:09 am
...Which leads me to my next thought of what to do with a stubby engine-less Caravelle (the left-overs)....

Easy, you build an unpowered tow behind passenger capsule - AKA super budget ultra economy class.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 05, 2019, 09:00:49 am
I did this to a Mistercraft Caravelle...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/3750/33092075292_31df1db057_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sqex5h)
1:144 Ilyushin Il-60A (NATO ASCC code: Cake); aircraft "CCCP-60014" of the "Аэрофло́т-Росси́йские авиали́нии (Aeroflot-Rossiyskiye avialinii, Aeroflot Russian Airlines); Moscow Vnukovo Airport, 1976 (Whif/kitbashing) (https://flic.kr/p/Sqex5h) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr


Wow, that is fantastic, bud!!!!  Did your kit come with the Aeroflot markings?  I read a review that said one boxing came with them but mine didn't. I WAS going to use them on my quad here but going to go with United instead.

Your build has me re-thinking my left-over parts. ... . . ...               
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 05, 2019, 09:03:07 am
...Which leads me to my next thought of what to do with a stubby engine-less Caravelle (the left-overs)....

Easy, you build an unpowered tow behind passenger capsule - AKA super budget ultra economy class.

 ;D ;D ;D

I could even come up with a halfway plausible back story for it....    the tow-behind would contain people going to a different place than the main aircraft's final destination. This is their solution to "stop-overs" or whatever they're called. Just drop off the people in the glider over in St. Louis on the way to Denver w/out having to stop.  :wacko:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: loupgarou on July 05, 2019, 09:05:31 am
...Which leads me to my next thought of what to do with a stubby engine-less Caravelle (the left-overs)....

Easy, you build an unpowered tow behind passenger capsule - AKA super budget ultra economy class.

 ;D ;D ;D

I could even come up with a halfway plausible back story for it....    the tow-behind would contain people going to a different place than the main aircraft's final destination. This is their solution to "stop-overs" or whatever they're called. Just drop off the people in the glider over in St. Louis on the way to Denver w/out having to stop.  :wacko:

IIRC, has been tried in Russia in late forties.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Rheged on July 05, 2019, 09:16:41 am
...Which leads me to my next thought of what to do with a stubby engine-less Caravelle (the left-overs)....

Easy, you build an unpowered tow behind passenger capsule - AKA super budget ultra economy class.

 ;D ;D ;D

I could even come up with a halfway plausible back story for it....    the tow-behind would contain people going to a different place than the main aircraft's final destination. This is their solution to "stop-overs" or whatever they're called. Just drop off the people in the glider over in St. Louis on the way to Denver w/out having to stop.  :wacko:

IIRC, has been tried in Russia in late forties.

Railways in Britain did this years ago, they were called SLIP COACHES......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_coach (http://......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_coach)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 05, 2019, 10:01:59 am
Fascinating stuff!   

Hmmmm.....   "United Airlines, introducing Slip Glider Service across the continental United States." 
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 05, 2019, 12:58:18 pm
Weight is in, door is in, and I glued it all together and threw a splint on it and a couple shims. (oops heheheh , I'll do better next time, this my first "cut and extend.." lol )

(https://i.imgur.com/Ma2TSzy.jpg)


Going to start on the wings next then maybe get the engines started so I can figure out the best way to glue the extras on.  :unsure:

Also thinking about giving this a proper name. This would be, if I'm correct, the "Caravelle 13." Are the French superstitious? Perhaps I can make it the "14." Sud Se-213-13(or 14) Super Caravelle or more likely simply the "Caravelle 13 (or) 14".  :unsure: 

Lastly, on an interesting note.... I was looking at the Caravelle 12 and counted the windows then counted mine. 21 each (per side). HMM.... thing is, mine is considerably longer (I did a direct comparison with an image the same size as my model parts). Anyway... so.. same windows, yet mine is longer....  this tells me the window sizing/spacing is off on the kit. They must also be off on the transfers as they are meant to overlap the clear windows. Of course, none of this is a problem here in the alternate universe, but notable.


Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 05, 2019, 06:02:20 pm
Managed to reach my goal today.  <_<

Fuselage is together. There's a pretty decent gap at some points along my join but the important thing is that it is all aligned. THANK GOD. I was worried about that in particular. Thankfully the fuselage is straight through ALL angles. I'm pretty sure that I'm having beginners luck here but I'd like to think that some of my forethought helped me along. I'm just really happy it's not crooked or drooping or anything. I need to knock on wood, I guess. But then again, I'm not in to superstition which leads back to naming this thing....  perhaps I WILL go with "Caravelle 13." (am I tempting fate or what....  ;D :unsure: :wacko:  )   Oh well....   

(https://i.imgur.com/htXnZRB.jpg)

Wings are just mocked up, although the mains are glued together and will just need a bit of sanding along the edges. The tailplanes are two pieces instead of four which is nice.  :lol:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: kerick on July 05, 2019, 07:34:28 pm
Just don't name it until the painting is done! Problem solved! :wacko:
I love the way this is coming together. :mellow:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 06, 2019, 12:37:14 am
Yes, there's a MisterCraft boxing that comes with Aeroflot markings - they belong to a French movie prop, but the decals needed some improvisation to fit onto the modified model.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on July 06, 2019, 02:32:37 am
Looking good Brad C.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 06, 2019, 09:16:14 am
Just don't name it until the painting is done! Problem solved! :wacko:
I love the way this is coming together. :mellow:
Brilliant! That's what I'll do.... that is long ways off so give me plenty of time.  ;D    Thanks!

Yes, there's a MisterCraft boxing that comes with Aeroflot markings - they belong to a French movie prop, but the decals needed some improvisation to fit onto the modified model.
Damn, see, I wish I had THAT boxing! This would look more natural as something "Soviet" I think. Still, the United livery is very nice but I had been looking forward to the Russian markings. Interestingly enough, while my boxing is newer and missing those decals, they still included the full color guide for them in the paper work which is nice at least.  :thumbsup: 

Looking good Brad C.

 :thumbsup:
Thanks!!

I'm kind of amazed to be honest. I'll be putting sheet styrene a couple places around that gap but otherwise this is coming together rather swiftly which is a bit unusual for these airliners. I'm sure it will start kicking me arse at some point though. I don't care... as long as the thing is straight I'm happy to deal with any other problem. A crooked fusleage, however, would be a deal breaker.


EDIT: Hey wait a minute!! This shows you how thick I can be sometimes... here I am wondering if the French are superstitious and worried about the number 13 when it's already in the damn name. Se-213?    :unsure: ;D     

EDIT: OK, I figured it out!  It's Se-210!  I don't know where Se-213 came from?  :unsure:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 09, 2019, 03:40:29 pm
Check this out! Here's not a walk around, but a walk-inside a Caravelle. It's really nice inside and all the stuff is there. Pretty neat!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi_AisTqvhc&fbclid=IwAR3Y32rknehX2sQSNiGcnr18vbDrC4qGuaGpaNZuzbYin9qWmWuKsrOrNd4

Not much going on with the build. I've shored up the extension join a bit and am about ready to smooth it over along with the windows then begin the sanding process. If I can get my lazy arse in gear, I could do that pretty soon but I've been in a post-work "haze" and have largely sat here all afternoon watching tele.  ;D :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: ysi_maniac on July 09, 2019, 07:15:49 pm
This is going to be great.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 26, 2019, 01:07:19 pm
Thanks, bud!!!!!


Alright, tons more sanding and putty work has been done. The fuselage is smooth, straight, and all the panel lines obliterated. I need to put a tiny bit of putty on the main door and then fill in the gaps at the wing roots and smooth that down. I also need to do the same on the belly where the wings hit the fuselage. A bunch of other things done in the name of refinement have also been done. Sanding the wings, APU intakes are on, etc.

(https://i.imgur.com/WNsf3Yj.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on July 27, 2019, 02:49:42 am
Proportion wise, that looks like a bought one.  IMO anyway.

Approved.  You may continue... ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 28, 2019, 05:10:34 pm
Thanks, big homie!!!

More work done. This, being a kit that is what it is, had humoungous gaps at the wing roots so I've filled those in then brought out various things to sand them smooth. The curves on this thing.....   my sponge wouldn't even get in there without gouging the side of the fuselage... I had to break out my color coded spring-whatevered sanding sticks and they worked great. They were expensive, but worth every damn penny. I'm getting off track, though.... so anyway...  I've also worked on the engines. I stupidly put them all together before refining the cowling leading edges and I now have a mess on my hands but I'm muddling through. Also, I'm not sure I put the fan blade things in correctly and I may need to do.... something... to fix it.   ?   :unsure: ;D 

Oh well, we're at the point now where we can really see the crux of the group build with the additional engines:

(https://i.imgur.com/3nVWPJQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: rickshaw on July 28, 2019, 05:12:23 pm
A mini-VC-10!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 28, 2019, 06:43:55 pm
Yeah, that's the spirit! One day, I'll have an actual VC-10 built and a Tu-62 then I'll line all three of these up for pictures!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Tophe on July 28, 2019, 07:19:54 pm
Good! :wub:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 28, 2019, 11:55:22 pm
Uh, pretty!  :wub: Works very well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Weaver on July 29, 2019, 12:47:58 am
That's looking sweet - very convincing and an excellent JMN-baiter. :thumbsup:

If it was mine I'd come up with a very 'safe' backstory that I could add lots of credible-sounding facts and figures too, then leave it on the show table with a 'helpful' data card and watch people scratch their heads and run off to consult references on one of the book stalls... :wacko:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 29, 2019, 01:20:46 am

If it was mine I'd come up with a very 'safe' backstory that I could add lots of credible-sounding facts and figures too, then leave it on the show table with a 'helpful' data card and watch people scratch their heads and run off to consult references on one of the book stalls... :wacko:


Way to go!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: loupgarou on July 29, 2019, 04:50:31 am
A project for a bigger, longer-range SuperCaravelle could well be logical by Sud Aviation.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 29, 2019, 07:14:45 am
Thanks, everyone! Stay posted... this has largely gone on trouble-free so far so I'm sure some sort of disaster is inbound and will make things interesting.

Definitely someone ought to make a story for this.   :wacko:   

I've been thinking on and off about what this thing is all about but I just sort of loosely came up with "well maybe now it can fly over new ocean routes" but then again how much further? I don't even know the range of the original Caravelles, never mind one that is potentially twice as thirsty so just how plausible is this over ocean flight stuff anyway? Extra passengers and more weight in the aircraft itself are going to move numbers around as well. Could wind up that considering the range not many usuable routes open up making it nonsensical. Sort of on that note I would need to consider where this thing is at and what airline it is operating with. United in this case. So...  maybe the whole over the ocean stuff is out and perhaps this is a United Airlines only variant simply made to haul more people across the continental United States' wide areas.  They had plenty of other stuff for transcontinental flights.     Lots to consider.  ????    Back story always been my weak point.  ;D   
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 29, 2019, 08:03:02 am
If it's a United variant, it could also be an extended range and capacity version for destinations in Middle/South America with a "hot and high profile"? Very special, though.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 29, 2019, 10:39:51 am
Fascinating.... then I could slap some RATOs on the belly and have DF/W to Mexico City routes. Not that special, really! It actually seems pretty plausible? Good idea, bud. I like it. Guess I'm going to have to see what sort of mileage and stuff we're working with here. Further, perhaps the extra engines could somehow open up a route across the Gulf of Mexico over to the Yucatan Peninsula and their tourist trap From places like...uhhh....  Houston, Miami, or something.  :unsure:


EDIT: I looked it up... the range of the Caravelle listed at wiki (I don't know whether they which variant they use, however, but it's good enough) is BARELY enough as-is to get from DF/W to Mexico City. Well, now, with my super stretch with more fuel capacity it will now suddenly be able to go just enough further that it can top off fuel and make it all the way there and maintain fuel reserve. Bam... so, now, it's in Mexico City and needs to get back to D/FW and is super heavy with fuel to make the trip..... enter: RATO.  :wacko:   They did it with 727s and it was glorious.  :angel:     (and DC-9's but I don't know if they ever fired them out of Mexico City)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: The Rat on July 29, 2019, 08:03:01 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/3nVWPJQ.jpg)

That is looking very good. I mean, really good. Like, double-plus good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 30, 2019, 02:08:19 am
Thanks, brotha!!  <_<     

I'm glad this is spurring interest. Makes me want to get right back to work on it! I have billions of errands to run today, but....once I'm done, it's back to this!  ;D   Going to work some more on the engines. They need a lot. The engine cowlings need to be fixed. I still can't figure out why I didn't do that before I glued it all together. I got in a hurry...   :banghead:   I'll fix that then....  then I have the last bit of sanding to do on the plane itself on the belly where the wings and fuzelage cross. There's a pin-hole in the door I need to fill as well but after that I can prime this bad boy and hope it looks alright.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 30, 2019, 02:39:26 am
Fascinating.... then I could slap some RATOs on the belly and have DF/W to Mexico City routes. Not that special, really! It actually seems pretty plausible?

Had this idea for a four-engine Boeing 727.  ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 30, 2019, 02:46:26 am
Fascinating.... then I could slap some RATOs on the belly and have DF/W to Mexico City routes. Not that special, really! It actually seems pretty plausible?

Had this idea for a four-engine Boeing 727.  ;)

What better time than right now to make a go of it, T!   :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 30, 2019, 03:11:02 am
Well, it would be a costly affair: need a basic kit, the engines and probably a decal set...  :-\

But the GB would be the right occasion, totally agree, and it would be a suitable sister ship to your build.  ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 30, 2019, 08:26:17 am
And the 4th engine could be on top of the middle one.  ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 30, 2019, 08:32:44 am
Or side-by-side, would also look cool.  ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 30, 2019, 09:27:20 am
I always thought it would be neat to have a set-up with two engines at the rear and two hanging from the wings. I think it would be cool, I don't think I've ever seen such a configuration even drawn.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 30, 2019, 09:44:22 am

I always thought it would be neat to have a set-up with two engines at the rear and two hanging from the wings. I think it would be cool, I don't think I've ever seen such a configuration even drawn.


Like a DC10 or Tri-Star with an extra #2 engine?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 30, 2019, 10:25:25 am
Yup! It would be pretty fantastic.


I made a design drawing.  :wacko:



(https://i.imgur.com/YsBYV1f.png)
The CC-110 (Chronic Commercial)  "Split-Quad"
 :unsure:



...


 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: JayBee on July 30, 2019, 11:35:50 am
And the 4th engine could be on top of the middle one.  ;D

Now that is a realy interesting concept, especially when you try and visualise it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 31, 2019, 02:44:01 am
Well, it would be a costly affair: need a basic kit, the engines and probably a decal set...  :-\

But the GB would be the right occasion, totally agree, and it would be a suitable sister ship to your build.  ;D

Hmm, this thought did not leave me, so I took measures to potentially tackle the quad-727 idea. It's a matter of budget and time, though, but a whiffy airliner is always a neat diversion from military kits. We'll see...  :mellow:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 31, 2019, 07:18:58 am
I'll thrash you if you don't!!!!  :angry: :angry: :angry: ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 19, 2019, 12:42:20 am
Any news here?
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 19, 2019, 06:59:19 am
In fact, yes! I spent a fair amount of time yesterday on it and that was after some spent a couple days ago. I'm getting the finish nice and smooth for paint. That comes today.... she's going to be painted gloss black in preperation for NMF finish. I'll stop in the middle point and put the cheatline/window decals on while it's still black, however, to get windows then I'll mask that off and paint the NMF. In fact... I've decided the entire thing will be NMF per keeping weight and cost down. Lighter the better for hot and high! We can say the paint scheme is just another part of the quad experiment and trying to milk extra power and a tiny bit of range out of the Caravelle.

I need to get busy on the engines... I'm not even sure where the damn things are at.  ;D I can't remember how much work I got done on them as far as puttying the gaps.

Should have some updated pictures later.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 19, 2019, 07:43:53 am
Looking forward to it. Let's see which quad-engine airliner takes off earlier.  ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 19, 2019, 08:02:34 am
Roger that! If my engines aren't a disaster, I'll be giving you a run for your money.  :thumbsup: :wacko: 
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 19, 2019, 11:22:52 am
I forgot about my paint limitations!!! I have to wait 48 hours plus after I spray this black before I can gloss it. Since I'm going to put on the cheatlines now, before I spray NMF, I need to gloss over them to seal them. Add to that, I don't like this initial couple of coats. I need to do more sanding then re-spray so this will add a few more days so any hopes of being done with this soon are out the window.

With that said, she IS well on her way at least! With NMF, I need the finish to be better than what it is however. (especially on the wings) So, for now, I'll let this sit and dry/cure until Wednesday afternoon at least then I'll wet sand it and try another couple of coats of black paint.  :thumbsup:

(https://i.imgur.com/MPb6OxJ.jpg)

Found the engines and worked on them some and they look really good!!! Minimal work on them. I had to putty a wee bit more in the gap but they'll be painted pretty soon. The fronts of the cowling rims look junky but not much I can do about that.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 01, 2019, 02:42:35 pm
I've mentioned this build a few times over in the blog. No real progress has been made, however. I've simply been dealing with paint issues with the gloss black. I was getting orange peel and terrible finish so I sanded for more coats then the new coats crazed (even after waiting after the wait period directed on the can, I follow the directions because the people who wrote them know far more than I ever will) but it still crazed in a spot. I think I contaminated the surface so it was likely my fault and I am known to spray too heavy. That said, this paint is tricky and it doesn't take much for it to have a bad reaction.

Enough of that, I'm trying to fix it all. I've sanded it back down again... I made a bunch of passes and did my best to hit the tight spots which are difficult to get into sometimes but I think I did it well enough. Time for more paint! She's ready!!

(https://i.imgur.com/GxrYiFd.jpg)

BUT WAIT! After I washed it last time, I left it outside to dry then in TYPICAL FASHION, it finally rains for the second time in two months and it does so for 4 hours straight and my stupid airplane become flooded.  ;D  It's been drying again for a couple days but water is still leaking out of it which is a NO-GO situation for paint so I'm again having to wait on it. So, I found something else to work on and got the engines finishes (the putty work). They're now solid units with no weird gaps in the middle or anything. They look like they were designed this way from the get-go so I'm quite pleased with them. I even managed to fix the cowling rims a little bit.  :thumbsup:

That's it. Next round will be to try to paint the fuselage then I will paint the engines and gear/gear doors. 
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 01, 2019, 03:13:48 pm
It'll make a nice pairing with Dizzy's 727-300.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 01, 2019, 06:24:59 pm
Man, that looks good!! I'm going to .... wait,..... I wasn't the only one, now was I? ... WE all need to pile on Thomas more often every time he has a notion to do something like this.  ;D  Imagine all the glorious kitbash airliners.....     :::drool::::     :lol:

I hope, and I THINK, mine will come out looking pretty sharp, too.... we'll see. They're both going to be shiny NMF birds climbing mountains in Mexico.... it's a shame we couldn't park them side by side for pictures at the end.    Or could we.......     ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Tophe on September 01, 2019, 08:28:14 pm
wonderful... :wub:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 02, 2019, 01:11:06 am

 ;D  Imagine all the glorious kitbash airliners.....     :::drool::::     :lol:


I've been doing it for years now.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 03, 2019, 07:40:52 pm
Well, back to work on this one and this time the paint worked beautifully. Glorious!

Well, not quite... I skipped an entire sanding stage and have scratches I need to sand away that are telegraphing straight through the finish.  :rolleyes:   ;D    I spaced on this one... I completely intended to use my finer sand paper after using my sanding sponge but forgot. Just one of them things, I guess. I did the same thing with the engines! Paint went down great but since I forgot to finish smoothing the surface they're scratchy.

Luckily, on the fuselage, it's just in a small area. Either way, I'll need to sand things down once again and re-coat. Bonus to this is that the finish should, barring me doing something wrong, get better in theory each time I do this. In fact, this is what "they" say to do... sand and polish and do coats over and again then you get that candy showroom finish. I'm too lazy for all that and don't mind the "lesser" results however, but I can't have the scratches. I'll get those off and spray it again then we should be ready for the NMF paint.

(https://i.imgur.com/zCC5SpY.jpg)


Also have been painting the gear and doors. Some little bit left to go on those then I can clear them to seal it in then they're finished and it's just a matter of getting the paint finish right on the fuselage so I can progress.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Tophe on September 03, 2019, 09:36:11 pm
congratulations! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on September 04, 2019, 04:21:18 am
You're getting there.  It's looking good.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 04, 2019, 05:20:22 am
Go go go!  :thumbsup: Looking forward to see the trigger for my 727 finished!
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 05, 2019, 02:09:11 am
If I can get past this current paint situation, things should start to move more rapidly. Every time something goes afoul with the paint I lose AT LEAST 48 hours due to the wait time before I can mess with it again.

Right now, I need to sand it down and paint it again. No biggie....  I can spend an hour or two on that and get it really really smooth and if the paint goes down like it did last time it'll be in great shape. At that point I need to wait a couple days before I put the cheatline decals on then I need to gloss it. Even though it says it's OK after 48 hours, it'll probably craze again ANYWAY so I'm going to wait a further two days after that before I try it. Then, I'll need to wait another 2 days... no, probably 4.... to be safe... before I can throw the NMF paint on there. THEN, it has to dry up a couple days then I can decal it and I'll be done.  ;D     So.... if all goes well, about two weeks from now seems about right. I'm not too worried about missing the deadline but if anything goes wrong with these steps, I'll be needing the 2 weeks of wiggle room. Don't think I'll need to take advantage of an extenstion, though. Should finish on time regardless of mishaps.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 05, 2019, 01:15:47 pm
Last update for now! Doing a little more painting on the gear and gear doors. All I have left of those now is to paint the hubs, then clear coat it all, then finally spray the outsides of the doors silver.

Engines are still a mess with the paint. I'll be having to sand and re-paint them a couple times to get the scratches and stuff out but at least the process is underway.

The aircraft itself is "caught up." The last coat of paint is on and everything looks fine! In a few days I'll apply the cheatline transfers then clear gloss everything and pray it doesn't craze. If it doesn't, I'll simply mask over those cheatlines then spray it all NMF then we're done painting. If if DOES craze, I'll have to wait a while for it to dry then sand it down and re-paint one last time but leave the gloss coat off... won't need it at point, it's just to seal in the cheatlines so I can mask over them.

SO... good news! We're moving forward again.  :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 06, 2019, 03:00:02 am
Yeah!  :lol:

It'll surely be looking great!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on September 06, 2019, 03:56:19 am
I keep coming back to this picture...
(https://i.imgur.com/zCC5SpY.jpg)
...because with the colour and the sheen and the slot in the nose looking like a mouth it just keeps making me think of H.R.Giger's Alien.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 06, 2019, 11:50:18 am
Ha!!  Yeah, I see it too, now!   ;D

That nose came from a Comet after all, so if the shoe fits....    :wacko:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 14, 2019, 05:00:17 pm
It seems I've worked past the problems with the black paint and most problems with the finish. There's a flaw left over that keeps sinking in that I'm wondering how much worse will get. I was planning to plot out the transfers to see if any would go over this area and help hide the problem but... now I can't do that. I may have to "go back" and fill this in with putty and start PSR over. Hopefully not, once I have new transfers (more on this in a moment) I'll do the same thing and see if they cover the area or not.

The main thing going on right now are the transfers. I lovingly wasted about 2 hours trimming out and measuring the cheatlines to get them to fit on this extended fuselage only for them to shatter and go bad. I didn't see this coming...  these were immaculate looking, new sheets just a few years old... not like I'm using some 40 year old Airfix sheet that sat out in a garage in the weather extremes. I can probably salvage a lot of the smaller stuff with decal fix, though!

Problem is though, I now need new transfers. Problem with THAT is I'm not trying to spend any money on this and even if I did I'd have to track down two identical sheets since this thing is longer than the original Caravelle. OK, well, why not simply grab some new ones from my own decals stash? I do have some things that MIGHT work.... but....  THE WINDOWS. The Caravelle windows are somewhat fancy being rounded triangles. Kind of a cross between an egg and a triangle, yeah? I have plenty of airliner windows decals I can use but none of like this so I'll be force to use the "square" windows and I guess alter the backstory to explain it. I'm thinking maybe Boeing license built the Caravelle in this alternate universe and maybe a cost saving mechanism was to use their "normal" windows instead of the Caravelle ones.

Seems like a decent idea I guess. I'm going to dig through my stuff and see what I can come up with. I have a sheet of Western/Brannif/Ansett transfers and of course a ton of "traditional" airliner windows so who knows what nutty stuff will come of it.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 15, 2019, 09:40:47 am
Back to the drawing board! I've already found solutions to all the problems aside from backstory which I could even omit completely and let the viewer come to their own conclusions.

So... sometimes it's fun when things go wrong. I've decided now that this will be a Braniff machine and I get to create my own "colors." I don't think they had anything involving black, did they??? Black on the bottom? Well, I think I'll make mine black on the bottom (out of convenience, for obvious reasons) and.....  maybe a tan light brown sort of sand color up top. Or something. I think it would look good and once the wings are painted properly the mix of colors should all work out.

(https://i.imgur.com/QQ1YzDx.png)
Like this, but new colors.

Windows. I have none for Caravelle but i have plenty of "American" ones. I'll just use those. No one will be the wiser aside from airliner nerds and, well, this entire thing is alternate universe bullshittery anyway so why not?! We can just say it was license built or something.  :laugh:

It'll be a Braniff Brad-whif.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 15, 2019, 10:48:10 am

It'll be a Braniff Brad-whif.


YEEeeeeeeeaaaah!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Braniff Rules OK!  ;D

If Douglas, Lockheed or Boeing had built it under licence it'd have made much more sense for them to use their own window shapes, even if they did have to modify the fuselage skins to accept them. Tooling up for just a few tri-angular windows would have cost a FORTUNE!  :o
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 15, 2019, 01:33:07 pm
Then it's Settled! 

Of the contenders, I view Boeing as the least likely to be the ones because they wouldn't need it, so.... the Lockheed Caravelle...  "Oh no, two Electra II disasters in a row, what a failure.... we need a replacement NOW and need to fully enter the jet age but we don't have the time, call up Sud."  :angel:

Sounds good to me. Lockheed then jumps on the phone to grovel to Braniff and sell their souls to satan to subvert the 727.....
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 15, 2019, 05:17:13 pm

Of the contenders, I view Boeing as the least likely to be the ones because they wouldn't need it, so.... the Lockheed Caravelle...  "Oh no, two Electra II disasters in a row, what a failure.... we need a replacement NOW and need to fully enter the jet age but we don't have the time, call up Sud."  :angel:

Sounds good to me. Lockheed then jumps on the phone to grovel to Braniff and sell their souls to satan to subvert the 727.....


And that's where they got the idea of the JetStar from............ ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 16, 2019, 06:34:50 pm
I looooove me some JetStar.  :laugh:  I have the lil Roden kit with the pretty blue livery. Such a good looking jet in my opinion...   


For my Caravelle. I've been rather exhausted lately so work is very slow but I've managed a good bunch of masking work on this.

(https://i.imgur.com/s6ugIH3.jpg)

I need to finish the bottoms of the wings. It looks so easy and simple to mask straight lines across an airliner model but it ISN'T. All the curves and the countours and stuff at the wing roots, etc. Keeping the line looking visual straight as the tape runs through tapering curves at the nose, etc. It's mighty tedious and you have to keep looking at it from different angles and adjusting over and over again....     

I'll finish the rest of the masking on the bottom then I think I'm going to paint the wing upper interiors with grey, then mask that off and paint the rest with silver. The silver will serve to finish painting the wings and also serve as the little thin horizontal line that splits the two fuselage colors. I'll also mask off parts of the fuselage by the engines where the exhaust would burn the paint. At some point after all this, a bunch more masking will occur then time for the second main color.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 17, 2019, 12:58:17 am

 All the curves and the countours and stuff at the wing roots, etc. Keeping the line looking visual straight as the tape runs through tapering curves at the nose, etc. It's mighty tedious and you have to keep looking at it from different angles and adjusting over and over again....     


Ah yes, the 'joy' of airliner modelling...............  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 17, 2019, 08:44:04 am
You'd think it would be a simple affair working on them...  no weapons, much smoother more streamlined shapes ... etc.... BUT NO way, man!!!   ;D  I've had airliner build WAY eclipse military builds in sheer effort it takes to finish one.

More work to be done on this today, maybe. I have to sit down and figure out my work schedule for the next couple of weeks and I might shift some things around to avoid bad weather and I COULD wind up with a "free" day today to work on stuff. Now that would be cool! Time to go look at the calendar and weather map.

Either way, next round of work is to finish off the wing masking on the bottom side of the model then I'll paint the grey on the wing tops, let that dry, then mask it off then time to paint silver.  :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 17, 2019, 03:58:45 pm
Working more on the masking. This part was rough... I had to drag out my 2mm tape and keeping it all straight across the wing roots was time consuming. It's done now, and I can sleep better knowing I didn't half-arse this aspect of the build. When all is said and done, this area will look good instead of like some lazy paint job on a toy.

(https://i.imgur.com/TQX7MJB.jpg)

Next up....there is a dent in up front where the super glue I used went hot and messed up the plastic. I always figured just styrene glue would do this but I've learned the hard way that large concentrations of CA will warp plastic, too. Long story short, I need to fill this in and correct it. There's no way to hide it. I suppose this is what I have to do next.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on September 18, 2019, 04:11:07 am
You'd think it would be a simple affair working on them...  no weapons, much smoother more streamlined shapes ... etc.... BUT NO way, man!!!   ;D  I've had airliner build WAY eclipse military builds in sheer effort it takes to finish one...

Shiny paint.  Much more demanding when you can't just hide imperfections with flatter clear coat.   ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 18, 2019, 03:40:14 pm
Ain't that the truth! With all the clean lines and no distractions it's more difficult to hide them sins.  ;D ;D 


Speaking of sins... I bit the bullet and have puttied the dent in the fuselage. I didn't let that stop me from continuing on the rest, however. I masked everything up then sprayed grey onto the wings to get the interior guarded surfaces then let it dry and started masking it so I can paint the rest NMF. I'm going to have to go pick some of that up, so it might be a few days before it happens.

(https://i.imgur.com/QKwM9UK.jpg)

I've also spent more time sanding the engines. They're ready for paint are also waiting on that silver paint. I was initially painting them gloss black to use my fancy metal finish paint but at this point I need to hurry up and the silver rattle can stuff will be fine. I've used it in the past and it turned out quite nice, even after hitting it with gloss: 

(https://i.imgur.com/LwjzSfF.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on September 19, 2019, 03:49:34 am
Good luck with your painting mate.  May your paint behave.
I had a rattle can of red oxide go bad on me today - splattered over both hands, my face and my tee-shirt.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: loupgarou on September 19, 2019, 04:48:47 am
Good luck with your painting mate.  May your paint behave.
I had a rattle can of red oxide go bad on me today - splattered over both hands, my face and my tee-shirt.

You houd remember to check which direction the nozzle is pointing!  ;D :wacko:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: NARSES2 on September 19, 2019, 06:00:56 am
Good luck with your painting mate.  May your paint behave.
I had a rattle can of red oxide go bad on me today - splattered over both hands, my face and my tee-shirt.

You houd remember to check which direction the nozzle is pointing!  ;D :wacko:

Should also check if it's a "Northern" or "Southern" Hemisphere issue can  :rolleyes: ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 19, 2019, 06:13:26 am
Don't feel bad, I was priming my Tristar yesterday when mid way through I grabbed the wrong can of paint entirely. An unshaken can of white.....   WOOPS!     I quickly grabbed the primer and covered right over it but I'm not sure or not whether it'll affect that little patch where I goofed up.  ;D ;D

Hell, my silver paint gave up the ghost completely yesterday.... the stem is messed up... it started spraying splotches onto my engines then stopped spraying completely. Pretty sure I'm going to have to sand those engines down AGAIN because of that but oh well.  Headed to the store this morning to get more paint.


Downhill slide on the masking, I think... I need to finish the wing uppers then it's time to paint silver... the silver will be for the main wing edges, for the tail planes, and for an arear by the engine exhausts. Also, the silver will be the cheatline. After I spray I'll mask all that up then the only thing left to paint is the upper fuselage then I can unmask the entire shootin' match and start decalling.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 19, 2019, 12:06:11 pm
Really rolling now! I finished masking and even finished the repair up by the nose on the roof. Next I'll let this stuff dry up a couple days then do the last round of masking to keep the silver portions. I picked out a khaki color for the top. I hope it looks good.

(https://i.imgur.com/NTiNBir.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: NARSES2 on September 20, 2019, 07:06:51 am
Shiny  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 20, 2019, 09:39:51 am
She certainly is! I haven't tried this paint before. I went down dry it seemed... I could see flakes of metallic stuff floating around in the air. Damn glad I was outside!  It leaves a strange sort of rough finish. I'm not sure if that's the way this is supposed to work or I did something wrong. I'm eager to see what it looks like with gloss over the top then I'll decide whether it's "ok" or not. I just need it to react well with gloss clear so it smooths out and take decals. I can deal with the weird finish because.... I rather like it!

Going to work on this stuff today I think. I'm going to test a small part of this to see if it takes gloss clear....if it does, I'll throw a couple light coats of that on there to smooth out the silver then I can mask it over and start painting the brown color.  I can't WAIT to un mask it at the end and see what it all looks like.  :mellow: :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 20, 2019, 01:10:50 pm
Painting has turned out well! It would seem I need to go back and do the gear wells, however....  woops!!! No biggie, I also need to mask out a space for the wing walks. Already started on that....


(https://i.imgur.com/wP8joVz.jpg)

Glad that silver line worked out. That's the smallest masking tape I've used to date at 1mm wide. Sure as HELL came in hand... .cutting out that little thin strip from wider tape would be ..... un-fun. 

Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 20, 2019, 04:13:20 pm
Been refining things and I've started applying some of the transfers. I need the windows on first, naturally, so I can align everything else but I'm going to stop here. This hasn't exactly been easy... let's just say I've had to break out the Microscale decalfix and of course gettting the things to line up straight is tedious. No matter, it seems to be going well now and I'll pick this back up another day. Quitting while I'm ahead.  Next up I'll be finishing the windows then on to the door outlines and emergency exit outlines.

(https://i.imgur.com/jp9FLGS.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 20, 2019, 06:32:00 pm
Rocking along there, Brad - looks good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 20, 2019, 07:03:55 pm
Thanks, hoss!! I'm really excited about this one right now... getting the paint knocked out is always a monumental task with these airliners.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: NARSES2 on September 21, 2019, 02:30:00 am
That is looking good Brad  :thumbsup:

... getting the paint knocked out is always a monumental task with these airliners.

It certainly is. That's why I admire the builds on the Airliner SIG at UK shows because I know my painting abilities aren't up to it.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 21, 2019, 10:49:50 am
It's nutty!! Some of these folks are so good that I've seen pictures of models that have fooled me. My buddy Brad Shinn makes some of the best stuff around...   

Just quickly glancing at his stuff, I found one of Brad's builds that I guarantee I could show to people and 99 out of 100 would never question it.

(https://i.imgur.com/qGTUtVb.jpg)
Brad Shinn

Magnificent!!!! I'd like to be half that good some day.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 21, 2019, 06:43:09 pm
Getting there. Should be done the next time I work on it. The painting is done and masking removed. I've also attached the gear. Working on gear doors and the windscreen now.

(https://i.imgur.com/lBZ4LCu.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Old Wombat on September 22, 2019, 04:48:35 am
Looking good, for a civilian. ;) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on September 22, 2019, 05:27:10 am
Is that beige, taupe or mushroom?
 ;)

It's looking very good.  Hope the glass gives you no sh1t.

Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 22, 2019, 06:12:27 am
It looks very 'Braniff' already, that's JUST the sort of odd-ball colour they'd have used.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 22, 2019, 10:28:03 am
 ;D    Thanks folks!!   Back to it tomorrow.  Not exactly sure how to approach the windscreen but I have some ideas and plenty of time to work on it.

*I* call it "tan" but the can said "Khaki".  Not a bad looking color and pairs decently with the black bottom. I could have done something really weird like... robin egg blue or something and I was tempted but I don't even think I have enough gumption as Braniff actually did with some of their colors and combos.   :angel:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Scotaidh on September 23, 2019, 02:18:45 am
Just want to say I'm so very jealous of your paint skills.  I can't manage anything like that - my few attempts at anything civilian have been outright disasters, paint-wise. 

I've always liked the shape of the Caravelle - I wish it'd had a longer & wider service life.  I'm glad to see you breathing new life into it!  ;)



Braniff had some extremely bold schemes.  As a marketing gimmick it seems to have worked really well - we're talking about them how many years after they went bust?  :)

Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: Old Wombat on September 23, 2019, 02:55:34 am
If it was such a great marketing gimmick, why did they go bust? :unsure: ;)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 23, 2019, 03:34:17 am
 ;D De-regulation "something something."  :angel:  Lots of airlines were swallowed up in that time period. One two punch... de-reg in the US and the Oil Crisis one after another in short span. At least.... that's it in a nutshell.  "List of defunct US airlines" on wiki is one of my favorite places to peruse old airlines schemes and there are lots of casualties of the 70's-80's in there.

Scotaidh, thanks, bud!! I've been determined to "crack the code" as it were to rattle can painting because if I can, it should, in theory, be the quickest and easiest way to paint a thing. I've focused heavily on it over the past nearly two years now along with my "airliner university" plan of action to learn and build airliners. As a result, I'm making headway on the painting and starting to get some really nice results with less effort. I still mess things up from time to time (orange peel on some parts of this one) but on the whole it's turning out to be a viable method of painting. If it it can work for airliners and their demanding schemes, then it should also work for other less demanding things.

Masking is important... the favorite part of my breakthroughs in rattle canning have been being able to mask things, even tiny things like 1mm wide long line... without paint bleed and without having to resort to "sealing" techniques which make the paint thick at borders and create ridges. Proper application is good but having PROPER, QUALITY masking tape has made a huge difference. Having an arsenal of different sizes has been a life saver, as well. I picked up some a few months ago...it was pretty pricey but worth every penny.


Should be done with this one today. I've done some thinking about the glass and now that I've rested up a couple days without working on it I'm more willing to devote some time to it this afternoon instead of going straight for the glory. So....  what I might do is just mask around the cockpit windscreen opening and paint a silver border around that... then just paint the canopy by hand...  a few vertical silver lines places here and there ought to do it, I suppose. The only other option I can think of is to put the clear piece in then throw a windscreen decal over top of it which might not work very well.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: zenrat on September 23, 2019, 04:39:12 am
One important factor in rattle can painting is to know your paint and know your nozzle...

...and when you think you've got them sussed they'll change the formula or the design on you...

 :banghead:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 23, 2019, 08:50:15 am
That got me one time....  I used some appliance epoxy and I wasn't prepared for it to come out in a fan shape instead of the traditional "cone." Luckily it did't cause any problems but man was I surprised!
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 23, 2019, 03:04:17 pm
All done. Windscreen gave me over three hours of hell but I finally got it to a point where it's decent enough. Not the best but uhhhh... not the worst!

(https://i.imgur.com/esZnkEK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/YYYEcBe.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/f9UjBLO.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UOxeUCU.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/h2xajFs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Q4Qj1Pu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pedvWcc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ojl3WQS.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: Old Wombat on September 23, 2019, 07:24:46 pm
Wonderful build, Brad! Well done! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 23, 2019, 08:03:44 pm
Thanks! I cut some corners all over the place but all the main aspects worked out great. Slowly getting used to the idea of hacking things up and making "new" things out of putty and all that. More goofy stuff is definitely on the way.  :mellow: ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: Tophe on September 23, 2019, 09:21:06 pm
Great! Fabulous model! :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: zenrat on September 24, 2019, 03:54:00 am
Very well done.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: rickshaw on September 24, 2019, 04:25:50 am
I must admit, that looks rather good.  I love the Comet style nose on it.  Looks the part!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 24, 2019, 04:52:49 am
Oh YEAH Brad, that REALLY looks the business!  :thumbsup:

Braniff Rules OK!  ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: loupgarou on September 24, 2019, 04:53:21 am
Beautiful. A lot of work but came out very well.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: NARSES2 on September 24, 2019, 06:40:12 am
That's simply gorgeous  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 24, 2019, 07:53:54 am
Now that's looking sexy!  :wub:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 24, 2019, 09:55:31 am
Thanks y'all!!! I'm glad people like it.   I can't help but wonder what the original vision would have looked like but I can honestly say I like this livery so much that I'm glad the original went bad. Also, while I think the Caravelle windows are probably THE coolest windows in the sky I was also glad I switched them up. It makes this thing look more "American Industrial" and less "Fancy French Artsy Stuff."  Kind of drives home the point that this is American built. Cockpit glass was completely fictional... the outline is that of the original but the panel lines match up with a Fokker F-28......       So....  the screw ups really added into the "this is different" aspect of the build. Surprise seat of your pants what ifs can be the best!

Also, I can't tell if he was being serious or being "comparative" in nature but one person on Facebook was like, "Isn't this a VC-10?"   ;D   I can't tell if he was saying, "well, didn't you just plug a hole in the market that was already filled by the VC-10?" Or if he was saying, "Did you just build a VC-10 model and change the name?"  hahahha   

I had a lot of fun on this one.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 28, 2019, 12:41:06 pm
Very nice, Brad! I like how this has come out.  :thumbsup:

Yeah, time and practice are the best ways to improve, and shows you that sometimes there simply aren't any shortcuts to gaining experience.

I wish there were more military options in (large, cheap) rattlecans, other than generic 'Sorta-close Green', or 'Kinda-like Grey', but it is what it is.

Little changes with a cumulative effect - "Oh, a Caravelle... wait, that's not right - or that... what else is different?" Keep 'em guessing!

And I like the way that sometimes an accident flukes into exactly what you had in mind, or better, and you couldn't have done it better if you'd tried!  ;D
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 28, 2019, 08:21:32 pm
Big thanks, homie!! I love how this one turned out....    It's so nice sometimes when things go wrong! 

I was looking at pictures of "regular" Caravelles earlier and they looked strange to me.....   ;D    "Oh man, it's so SHORT!"  ;D ;D ;D ;D     Good fun....


Here's the thing.. I still have the remnants left over... were I to find some adequate engines, I could make a super-short Caravelle "Biz-jet."    :rolleyes: :lol:
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2019, 09:12:07 pm
Way to go!  :thumbsup:

That's what I did with the bits left over from my tandem wing DC9TW, and came up with the DC9BJ (which stands for 'Business Jet.......)

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4276/tx7h.jpg)
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 29, 2019, 12:48:34 am

Here's the thing.. I still have the remnants left over... were I to find some adequate engines, I could make a super-short Caravelle "Biz-jet."    :rolleyes: :lol:

I'm sure you could find some - or turn some up, now you have a Mini Drill...

Scale-o-Rama it into a 1/72 BizJet, maybe?
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 29, 2019, 09:34:41 am
Kit, I think you dang near came up with an Egg-Liner there!!! It looks like one of them egg planes with the strange proportions! Hahahah   BJ Indeed...  Good thing you headed that one off at the pass. Jokes galore. Ya know, my middle names is James so it's really EASY to guess my initials...  my folks used to call me "BJ" when I was little. Nick name.. no biggie..but now that I'm grown? You best believe I keep that little tidbit tightly under wraps.  ;D

Rick, I might try that drill out today!! I found some batteries last night. I remember I set some aside for my drone (that I bought like two months ago and haven't even flown yet...   :rolleyes: ) remote controller. I can see this thing coming in handy BIG TIME down the road. Almost every build I find myself wishing I had something, usually a cutting wheel, what would/could be provided by the rotary tool here. I mean.. I have a big DeWalt drill (and I HAVE used it once on a build) but it's so bulky and heavy. This is going to be great.. I should have bought one years ago.
Title: Re: Quad Engine Super Caravelle ****FINISHED****
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 29, 2019, 10:24:06 am
They are handy, though I need to watch the rpm... my old one started at 5000, so had to be careful not to melt the plastic... it died and the new one starts at 10,000... it was a present, so I'm not going to b!tch and moan - just have to be even more careful.

Useful for a field-expedient lathe, though.

A battery screwdriver is better for drilling. Finally scored a cheap one and it's all kinds of useful for certain applications.