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GROUP BUILDS => 2019 One Week Build => Topic started by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2019, 07:44:55 am

Title: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2019, 07:44:55 am
Gonna be a BD-5 of the Luftwaffe. I wish I had more to say but uhh... I guess the write up is as simple as the project should be.

My choice in markings was sort of forced on me due to how small this thing is. Seems the only decals I have that would fit on these were German....  just so happens that I had them handy from the kit (1/144 F-4F) was I already working on. VERY convenient.  Anyhow... the more I think about it, the more I like the idea actually so this is good!

(https://i.imgur.com/8BShzPI.jpg)

Plans are to paint it with a half camo half light grey type thing. Camo on the tops with a scalloped transition to grey sides. Should be easy.... thing is so small, just hand paint it and it's hard to mess up lines when they aren't straight to begin with.  ;D

What function does it serve? Who knows... this is going to be the prop version so perhaps it's suitable as some sort of forward observer or some such.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Snowtrooper on June 05, 2019, 01:33:38 pm
Back when the idea was hot, "light battlefield aircraft" were also considered for anti-helicopter role. Which is a Very Bad Idea for Bede since it will die horribly if a gunship even looks at it and is unlikely to be able to carry much in the way of firepower. Theoretically, some Stinger tubes might be feasible, especially with an uprated engine; machine guns won't do much against attack choppers and autocannons weigh as much as the entire plane.

Light strike was another popular envisioned role, again the Bede is thoroughly unsuitable for such a job and even generally the concept seems odd, because ground attack usually warrants some degree of armouring to withstand hits or speed to avoid said hits. In counter-insurgency a light plane will do just fine, and can actually be more cost effective than a big heavy strike fighter, but in a contested airspace smack in the middle of two mechanized armies complete with pintle-mounted MG's on every vehicle and plenty of self-propelled AA platforms? How about no.

Battlefield observation, artillery spotter, or forward air controller would seem more plausible, at least observation aircraft have managed to survive even without heavy armour - mainly because they loiter some distance away and do not need to set up bomb run or guide a missile in, and ground pounders might even think they should not expose their position by firing at something that may not have detected them yet and is specifically enticing them to do that.

That said, light battlefield aircraft were envisioned specifically to the Central European front, so a Luftwaffe Bede in such a role makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Old Wombat on June 05, 2019, 06:02:28 pm
I'd look at cobbling together a fairly simple nose & wing-tip IR recce package (remembering that the BD-5 has no ground clearance to speak of) & paint her up for nocturnal low-level battlefield reconnaissance missions.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2019, 06:21:58 pm
Thanks for the information and input!!!

I love the suggestions too, but I'm going to be lucky to even finish the thing let alone mod it!  ;D  Just so happens the same week of the GB is one I already have jam packed with paying work that is going to not only take my time but sap my energy. I'm actually genuinely worried that I won't be able to make the deadline.  :unsure: 
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: The Rat on June 05, 2019, 07:36:32 pm
I put a downpayment on the factory-built version of that, but problems getting the engine certified screwed the whole project. :-\
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 09, 2019, 07:01:16 pm
That's a bummer.... how amazing would it be to tool around in one of these!!!! HAS to be one of the best flying experiences known to mankind.  The size and cockpit... it's close to just having the ability to fly as a human being. Truly "strapping on" on aeroplane!

Before I get carried away, an update on mine...    I was worried I wouldn't be able to even work on this let alone finish but I've found some time and things are going well. All the construction is done aside from gluing on the canopy and gear. I've sort of made a mess of things with Tamiya putty in gaps, however, but I hope to be able to fix it all in no more than two hours of slow-ish work. I thought about leaving the seams but I just can't...  problem is, this is so small it'll be a bit difficult sanding it all down. Should work out alright, though!


Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: kerick on June 09, 2019, 08:22:12 pm
Don't get rushed! Take a little extra time and it will come out better. Speaking for myself, I'd rather have a well done model and miss the deadline than make the deadline and have something come out poorly. Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Old Wombat on June 09, 2019, 09:08:20 pm
Don't get rushed! Take a little extra time and it will come out better. Speaking for myself, I'd rather have a well done model and miss the deadline than make the deadline and have something come out poorly. Just my $0.02.

+1
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 10, 2019, 07:52:00 am
Received! OK, you guys win, I'll do this thing right. No seams or splotchy putty jobs.  :mellow:

It doesn't look so bad this morning. A couple areas are indeed pretty tight but I have sanding sticks and my Swiss file set along with multitudes of different sand paper.

Hard to see, but here's the bottom. It'll be much smoother than the steps and gaps that were there before.

(https://i.imgur.com/3iToq8j.jpg)


Then some fun with sizes. Compared with a 1/72 Trojan and a Sea Fury. Makes the Bede seem as if it belongs in 1/144 scale. Makes me want to whif up a U-2 as an aircraft carrier with little Bede parasites attached to the wings.  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/g9p8PA0.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FImZDQL.jpg)

Then I threw in a 1/144 Phantom.

(https://i.imgur.com/y5k2KpL.jpg)

Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Tophe on June 10, 2019, 08:03:49 am
elegant + tiny = cute!
wow! :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 10, 2019, 08:54:10 am

 Makes me want to whif up a U-2 as an aircraft carrier with little Bede parasites attached to the wings.  ;D


And why not?  ;D
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 14, 2019, 08:34:56 am
Alright! Update! I lost a lot of time to a tooth ache, BUT I've sanded most things to a good finish. The wing root seams looked off to me though so I slathered them up with putty last night (I don't think I did a very good job, it was pretty messy  ;D) and will let it dry today.

I'm doubtful about making the deadline but I'll be back at it tomorrow. I have to mow my lawn.... work before play and all that. Good thing is, though, is at least I'm HOME instead of out mowing others' lawns so I can take breaks, come inside and cool off, and work on this lil feller 15-20 minutes at a time, then "let it dry" while I go back outside and mow or whatever.  :wacko:    Pretty slick idea and it might just work.

So, tune in tomorrow and we'll see how it goes! I still have a lot of work left. -- I need to sand down all that putty, prime again, paint, clear, decal, clear again, then do the fiddly stuff.

---Good parts are:   the gear look super easy to attach. I don't even recall SEEING any gear doors or anything so it's just putting on the two gear I guess.  ;D   Canopy should be simple. It has one single straight line that needs painted on then I just PVA it in place. The thing overall is so small, too, that it helps greatly to speed things up so I'm actually pretty excited to try to get it done. 
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: NARSES2 on June 15, 2019, 01:46:38 am
Commiserations re the toothache, can be one of the worst pains out there
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 15, 2019, 05:48:27 am
This is the worse one, hands down, I've ever had. Pure misery. I did nothing yesterday but sit, eat pills, and wish to feel better. It's a tiny bit better today, thankfully, so I'm heading in the right direction but it's still overwhelming. If I could get into an emergency dentist today I would but I don't think that's possible on Saturday morning and I have to work. I've contemplated trying to tie a string to it and do the door knob trick but the tooth is already a bit broken and I might not get a good grip with the string and I could make it worse so I'm just stuck until Monday.

Not looking good for the little Bede right now.  I'm trying to get someone over to mow my lawn so I can spend time on it but if this stupid tooth ache problem doesn't feel better I won't be getting anything done anyway.

BUT, I ain't giving up. I'm going to give it a try and see how it goes.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: NARSES2 on June 15, 2019, 06:02:26 am
Commiserations again. Hope you can get it sorted on Monday
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 15, 2019, 06:07:25 am
Thanks, bruh!!! I've contemplated having the whole fleet taken out (of my teeth of course) and replaced with the faux screw-in type. All that sounds pretty damn painful itsel , however, but imagine.... after being done having nice teeth that will never hurt again!

You know, I think the movie Cast Away (was it?) w/ Tom Hanks did a pretty good job illustrating how painful mouth pain can be. No ice skate surgery for me, however...   :o ;D
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: NARSES2 on June 15, 2019, 06:19:32 am
Thanks, bruh!!! I've contemplated having the whole fleet taken out (of my teeth of course) and replaced with the faux screw-in type.

Strange you should say that. Up until the 50's it was relatively common among the "working classes" for kids to get a complete set of false teeth as a 16th birthday present  :o Both my mother and father had it in the late 30's and my brother who's older then me had his in the mid 50's. All your teeth out and a new set so as you were set for the world of work. They would have all left school at 15, maybe 14 in mum and dad's case.

By the time I got to that stage the NHS dental service had well and truly kicked in, thank the Lord.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Tophe on June 15, 2019, 06:33:15 am
poor friend... :-\ :unsure:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 15, 2019, 06:35:19 am
@Chris: Ha! Fascinating, I remember reading about that recently and had forgotten. Makes a lot of sense in so many ways. -I've already had big problems with my teeth over the years before I even reached 30 and had.... ohhh.... I think the grand total was 9 teeth taken out.....the wisdoms, all 4 neighbors to the wisdoms,  (all 8 of those take out at once) and then a week later the 9th tooth that has started to decay at the gums.

I've a bit of a crowded jaw and it's made problems. The wisdom teeth all turned completely horizontal and were making pressure on my jaw and those teeth right next to them. That was a pretty painful ordeal as well.  Funny, it was 10 years ago, pretty much to the month, that I had all that work done and now here I am again...       BUT ANYWAY, point being... is that I'm not even 40 yet and I've already lost 9 teeth and two more need to go.  I'm not really going to have a whole lot of teeth left at this rate.  ;D       IN RETROSPECT, if I had just had them all out 2 decades ago I could have avoided so much pain. The initial pain would have been terrible but it would be a one time ordeal. Never had good access to dental care and this is the result I guess. And yes, I paid for that work 10 years ago OUT OF POCKET to the tune of $3,000+     That was a rough year. Also the year I was diagnosed with Trigeminal Neuralgia.  Had a 10 year long headache thanks to that one and wouldn't you know it makes the tooth pain even worse as well??  :o :o :o

None of this has to do with modelling, of course.  lmao    ;D ;D
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 15, 2019, 06:36:10 am
poor friend... :-\ :unsure:
Thanks, Tophe...        hopefully I'm getting better.  The pain medication is working now, too, so hopefully the rest of the day will be less painful!
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 15, 2019, 09:18:00 pm
All done!

(https://i.imgur.com/zvVs2jq.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/W8K8fyp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1cKza7A.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/HcK2Dp6.jpg)
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Old Wombat on June 16, 2019, 12:27:55 am
Cute! ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: zenrat on June 16, 2019, 02:55:43 am
Good job Brad C.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Tophe on June 16, 2019, 03:35:24 am
Congratulations! (great little model + in time!) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: NARSES2 on June 16, 2019, 06:23:19 am
Cute! ;D :thumbsup:

Tis indeed  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 16, 2019, 07:45:43 am
Thanks everyone!! This little things cracks me up. It's so damn small!  ;D  :o      I forgot to take some more pictures with other things for scale reference but it's amazing how small it is. But, for its size, it seems to have some pretty long wings which is a nice feature.

I'm going to continue to snap up these kits every time I find one. So many ideas for them including gluing two together, etc thanks to Tophes glorious works. No shortage of things to be done with these and they're easy to build.

Easy to nitpick, however... where in the hell are the gear doors?  ;D ;D  I was happy not to have to fiddle with them, but, they are missing for people who don't like having models with missing pieces which is likely the majority of us. The fitment is all nice, but, leaves seams. Next, while the plane itself is so small, relatively speaking the cockpit is large and open and needs more detail than just the very plain seat... not even a control stick. People might want to create some stuff to go in there, I didn't have time. Next up.... these are very tail heavy but there is no room to fit enough of anything whatsoever that I can tell into the nose without it being visable through the large canopy. Just some things to note while they're fresh on my mind. (I would love to see how people address the tail sitting problem without resorting to a post)        In conclusion, though, so very easy to build and a lot of fun.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:       
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Tophe on June 16, 2019, 07:58:20 am
So many ideas for them including gluing two together, etc thanks to Tophes glorious works.
Thanks to you, as your model topic  :thumbsup: inspired my drawings topic  :unsure: ...
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 16, 2019, 09:32:06 am
Funny how that works!  ;D :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 16, 2019, 10:05:58 am
Does the BD-5 have gear doors?  :unsure:

I'm not even sure if the main gear retracts, but for sure the nose gear does and folds underneath letting the nose drop onto the ground so you can park your other BD-5s closer to it.............  ;D
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Weaver on June 16, 2019, 12:15:48 pm
Nice one: it looks really good in that scheme. :thumbsup:

How about fixing the nose weight problem with a white-metal pilot figure? Elheim's Civilian Helicopter Pilots should do nicely.

Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 17, 2019, 04:02:55 am

All the gear retracts, as for the folding nose gear on the ground, I reckon your thinking of the Rutan Vari Eze...

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/32672/why-is-the-nose-landing-gear-of-a-rutan-vari-eze-up-during-parking


You're right, I am.  :-\

Ignore my previous post.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 17, 2019, 05:15:43 am
What all y'all said.  I just don't know why LS didn't include them.   ;D  :o :unsure:

(https://i.imgur.com/zpJHLjP.jpg)

Mr. H. That would do nicely!!! A metal pilot might/probably work (he sits pretty close over those main gear) ... I don't think anything short of that would be massive (heavy) enough. Would be worth a shot, -  I think I figured that if I do it before I close the halves up, that a single BB or a small piece of lead would fit behind the dial panel but that wouldn't even touch the weight problem.

And thanks... it turned out better than I was expecting.


EDIT: Also not included is that little intake bit there on the bottom.
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Tophe on June 17, 2019, 05:25:23 am
 :-\ :unsure: Ahem, your words are surprising: Realist modellers may blame the lack of some Real parts, but for what-ifers such invention could be welcome, no? ;D
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 17, 2019, 05:38:07 am
Hell, I thought it was great because I didn't have to mess with and get to blame the lack of doors on the kit maker instead of the carpet monster for a change.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 17, 2019, 06:45:42 am

(https://i.imgur.com/zpJHLjP.jpg)


And whadya know, there's a Vari Eze, the one I got the BD-5 mixed up with, right there at the back of the pic doing its 'nose down' thing!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 17, 2019, 10:12:10 am
Ha!!! I didn't even notice it back there!! Hell of a coincidence!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: Captain Canada on June 25, 2019, 05:33:35 am
Nice work on that wee bird ! Looks good in German markings.

Cheers !
Title: Re: BD-5 Luftwaffe
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 25, 2019, 11:49:30 am
Danke!   ;D