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Title: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 14, 2019, 09:55:22 pm
I've wanted to add something different to my growing collection of 1/144 airliner aircraft that isn't an actual airliner yet maintains the theme. I came up with an F-4F Phantom that could be some sort of (small)parts/mechanic/pilot courier/mover of some sort.

I bought a kit that seems very simple.. all the wings and stuff are single pieces instead of two, etc. I'm deleting the missiles and pylons so it just gets easier. Part count is very low! An almost superflous pair of seats are provided (which I've already glued right in  ;D) but the cockpit is non-existent aside from the general shape of it.

(https://i.imgur.com/2XQFCeU.jpg?1)

It seems to be a nice little kit from what I can tell.  :laugh:  This is great! The point of this build is to do something relaxing. Here's the wares and the transfers that came from an Airfix BAC-111 kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/XHI8HTE.jpg)

I've started it on it already and have managed to clip out all the major components and clean away the burrs. I've glued some parts together already (the seats) and I've filed edges and done away with flash. I'm not sure if it was necessary or not but it was fun to add three BB's to the front for ballast.  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/gxer6pH.jpg)

Next up I'll join the fuselage halves.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: Tophe on May 14, 2019, 10:19:41 pm
I like this project of turning a killer into a civilian craft, yes! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: ericr on May 15, 2019, 12:37:23 am

nice idea !

Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: Flyer on May 15, 2019, 01:16:56 am
Cool, civvie Phantom, great idea  :mellow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: Old Wombat on May 15, 2019, 03:01:30 am
Like I said: Airline Wars! ;D :wacko:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 15, 2019, 03:16:08 am
A BCal Phantom, the mind is WELL boggled!  :thumbsup: :o
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 15, 2019, 08:49:42 am
Thanks everyone!!!!

I think the toughest part of this one will be painting the canopy lines on the clear piece. There are none. It looks like an F-16 canopy.  I'm going to keep it simple if I can... it's going to be white. I'll make the tail blue. There will be the lion's head there. "British Caledonian" will be right on the sides in the obvious position and the cut down cheat line beneath it. That cheatline... I'll have to cut the decals lenght-wise to make them nice and thin to fit. Otherwise not much going on..  I'll paint a little silver color here and there like on the stabs where the exhaust hits and maybe a couple accents on the underside or something. Should be done in a matter of days I hope. Although... problem is I'm starting to run out of supplies... things like primer.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 15, 2019, 09:04:21 am
Try pre-painted strips of tape for the canopy bars, and then varnish over the top of them. It's a lot easier than all that 'single bristle brush work'.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: strobez on May 15, 2019, 09:19:40 am
Oh... I love this idea.  I have about seven boxes of that kit, so I know it well.  I can?t wait to see how this turns out!
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 15, 2019, 08:06:27 pm
Thanks, folks! 

I already have a plan for the canopy; a Sharpie! I've done it before on my little blue/orange glider. My favorite marker has a tip that tapers down small enough that it should work great. Last time, I painted both the inside and outside of the canopy. I'll try that again. I've heard that over many years the marker ink can fade to a weird yellow color.... but it's simple to just touch it up ever so often. I'm going to make the upper nose and cockpit surround black anyway for anti-glare purposes so it should work out.

Here she is for now:

(https://i.imgur.com/4HV4HaZ.jpg)

Everything is together aside from the gear, doors, and the two drop tanks.

Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: strobez on May 15, 2019, 09:43:52 pm
I'm loving how this is coming together.  I've always looked at this F-4 kit with a bit of disdain... but you're quickly redeeming it in my eyes.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 16, 2019, 12:10:47 am
I see Greg has built one of those super huge Tamiya paint pots for you too Brad..................  ;D ;D
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: NARSES2 on May 16, 2019, 05:51:43 am
Try pre-painted strips of tape for the canopy bars, and then varnish over the top of them. It's a lot easier than all that 'single bristle brush work'.

Especially if you use pre-cut micro strip as your starting point  ;)

I see Greg has built one of those super huge Tamiya paint pots for you too Brad..................  ;D ;D

 ;D ;D

Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 16, 2019, 09:26:13 am
 ;D ;D ;D



As to the kit.... my two gripes so far are the lack of lines on the canopy and the tail planes going on was a bit problematic. Two minor issues so far. Panel lines are a bit pronounced perhaps? Oh, I had to do a wee bit of whittling and sanding around the frame where the canopy goes on to get it to fit perfectly snug. Also pretty minor. I guess that's actually 4 issues?

Oh well, compared to everything else I've been working on lately this is a dream! By this stage in my 1/144 gunship I'd already lost countless hours to PSR and the like.  ;D
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 18, 2019, 11:23:49 am
Everything is primed. I'm going to put a couple coats of white paint on it and let it dry up then sand it all real smooth then finish the coats. Tail will be blue. Lastly, the top of the nose and the cockpit surround will be painted black for anti-glare.

(https://i.imgur.com/e3J73os.jpg)

Next time I work on it, I'll be doing the aforementioned painting along with painting the gear and gear doors. I guess I can try to paint the cockpit area a little as well.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 18, 2019, 04:22:01 pm
She's nice and white. I still need to sand it and finish painting it.

(https://i.imgur.com/fT1F55u.jpg)
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: Flyer on May 25, 2019, 05:18:02 pm
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That pic looks like a civvie Phantom intercepting, shadowing or escorting a civvie gunship  ;)
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: Old Wombat on May 26, 2019, 12:54:06 am
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

That pic looks like a civvie Phantom intercepting, shadowing or escorting a civvie gunship  ;)

 ;D ;D :thumbsup:

Take out the opposition's air fleet on the ground! :wacko:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: Tophe on May 26, 2019, 01:55:32 am
She's nice and white.
Yes: very nice and... very white. ;D
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 26, 2019, 05:18:46 am
Thanks!! How often do we get to see a white Phantom? Outside of the Thunderbirds, I can't even think of any off-hand. Of course, it's early and the coffee isn't working yet but I know for a fact that most are painted pretty dark aside from special schemes.

Paused work on this one until I can more paint. My white has become fouled and lays down several chunks with each brush stroke so I'm going to strain it later/throw it out and buy some more. I'm wanting a can of rattle can white anyway so I can save the eons of time it takes laying down multiple coats with this acrylic.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 21, 2019, 06:44:15 pm
All done!  :lol:

The pictures are lousy as usual. I will get better ones in daylight in a day or two. The sun has already gone down too far to be of use today but I just can't wait to show you all my build!  :rolleyes: ;D

So, here she is.... a 1/144 British Caledonian F-4F .......  pilot shuttle/ parts runner/ VIP craft/ utilit vehicle/ what have you:

(https://i.imgur.com/h8dwXKQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/I4K9tai.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/osxKOiv.jpg)

Have to have one with the ubiquitous TET bottle  ;D......

(https://i.imgur.com/LFqtalY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/HMQgaJW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/MQPVqRJ.jpg)


And this time I remembered to find another airliner in same scale to put with it, my whif Air-Cal BAC-111:

(https://i.imgur.com/ipjhwVE.jpg)



Sorry about the dark yet washed out photos. I will get some outside pics at some point and also have plans to upgrade my camera equipment as soon as I can afford it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: salt6 on June 21, 2019, 07:10:59 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Tophe on June 21, 2019, 08:53:04 pm
Good! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TallEng on June 21, 2019, 09:35:31 pm
Nice :thumbsup:
pity the 1-11 wasn't in Bcal colours as well,
amazing the smallness of the 1-11 or the bigness of the Phantom ;D
When you see them together.
Regards
Keith
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Old Wombat on June 22, 2019, 01:36:51 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: zenrat on June 22, 2019, 01:57:28 am
Nicely done Brad C.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 22, 2019, 02:02:31 am
A VERY fast 'executive jet' if ever I saw one!  :thumbsup:

And it looks really good in the BCal scheme too.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: ericr on June 22, 2019, 02:29:02 am
 :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Scotaidh on June 22, 2019, 03:40:37 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 22, 2019, 07:42:02 am
Thanks y'all!!! This is my favorite Phantom now.  ;D
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 22, 2019, 07:48:31 am
Nice :thumbsup:
pity the 1-11 wasn't in Bcal colours as well,
amazing the smallness of the 1-11 or the bigness of the Phantom ;D
When you see them together.
Regards
Keith

Oh hey!!!! It just struck me that... I didn't plan it (sitting them both for the pictures, I just wanted one of my 1/144 scale planes) , but that 1-11 is where the B-Cal transfers came from!!!    ;D   


I agree, how nice would it be to see them both sitting there matching? That would be fun... I'll have to build a proper B-Cal jet. Maybe a 727 or something.  :wacko:


And thanks again, everyone. Thanks for stopping by.  :mellow:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 22, 2019, 09:03:14 am
A DC9-30 would be more subtle, much more like a 1-11 than a 727..........  ;)
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 22, 2019, 10:32:22 am
This is true but it doesn't have to be like the 1-11, just be in the glorious B-Cal livery.   :wub:  I'm moving into tri-jet range now and am going to leave twins alone for awhile.  :o ;D  Then again, this would be a project way down the road anyway because the first 727 I do is going to be USPS livery anyway (oops, real world alert  :unsure: :-\ ;D). Been looking forward to that one for quite some time and I finally have a few 100's in the stash that the decals go with so it's probably all academic at this point.  :wacko:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144
Post by: Weaver on June 22, 2019, 12:26:48 pm
Nice one!  :thumbsup:

The backstory could be that the Chairman's a warbirds fanatic and this is his 'executive jet', allegedly justifying it's existance with 'route-proving' sorties (to places like Saint Tropez, etc..), as well as carrying urgent spares to stranded B-Cal aircraft that 'just happen' to be in nice places... :wacko:

A non-standard external baggage/parts pod on the centreline pylon might be an idea.


Thanks!! How often do we get to see a white Phantom? Outside of the Thunderbirds, I can't even think of any off-hand. Of course, it's early and the coffee isn't working yet but I know for a fact that most are painted pretty dark aside from special schemes.

The CCV demonstrator Phantom with canards was white with a blue stripe. Apart from that, I can't think of any except special schemes either.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Captain Canada on June 22, 2019, 01:07:40 pm
Bad idea. The pilots would all conspire to manufacture 'snags' so they could take turns running parts to each other lol

Does look good like that tho !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 22, 2019, 02:03:21 pm
The RAF 'Alcock & Brown' Phantom was NEARLY white, a big white stripe on a very pale grey aeroplane...........
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 23, 2019, 07:53:16 am
Bad idea. The pilots would all conspire to manufacture 'snags' so they could take turns running parts to each other lol

Does look good like that tho !

 :thumbsup:
Thanks, T.!!!!!!!    I could see that happening!  ;D

Hell, maybe that's part of it. For the Captains and other pilots, perhaps they're allowed incentive rides. They can pilot if qualified, or ride in the back if not. They can go out over the Atlantic real quick, go supersonic, refuel on a VC-10 Tanker (coincidentally, I have plans in the works for a Civilian Tanker VC-10 build!!! ) do some negative G roller coaster stuff, then come home with full barf bags and pilots ready to sign new contracts.  :wacko: :wacko:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED,Updated***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 23, 2019, 02:27:32 pm
Got some outside pictures. Some weren't too bad, either! 

(https://i.imgur.com/CP5ye1e.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IU4ykAy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Qw3gWmn.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ca5CRne.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tf0Hydf.jpg)

Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 23, 2019, 03:04:26 pm
That REALLY does look the business Brad, super job.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 23, 2019, 03:17:29 pm
Thank you! I'm tickled pink with this lil feller! It was a bit of a rush job but I don't think it suffered too much for it, especially being so small. 

I will gladly be re-visting the 1/144 "Airliner Fighters" motif in the future. The hard part is finding decals but certain 1/200 can work quite well if it comes from a smaller sized airliner (and I have a large enough 1/144 fighter plane). Other things to consider are the fuselage... gotta have enough real-estate to get the "billboard" effect that airliner fuselages have in order to cram the decals on. Something like an F-14, even though it is very large (for a fighter), would be hard to make work opposed to something like this F-4 that had a nice stretch of space for the name.

Fun stuff, I had blast making it and daydreaming about others is fun, too.  :lol:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: The Rat on June 23, 2019, 04:50:51 pm
She's a beaut!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 23, 2019, 05:15:37 pm
Thank you!! Anything we can do around here to beautify a brick.  ;D 

Although, I've never understood the "blah blah even a brick can fly...." routine about the F-4. It's supposed to be ugly I guess. I don't see it. Not that it's the most beautiful thing out there, but "ugly" and "brick" certainly don't come to mind.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Cobra on June 23, 2019, 05:16:11 pm
Superb Job :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Really Came out Great! Looking for Other Airline Ideas? Dan
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 23, 2019, 05:17:57 pm
Superb Job :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Really Came out Great! Looking for Other Airline Ideas? Dan

Thanks, bud!

Quote
  Looking for Other Airline Ideas?

Always......    :wacko: :mellow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Cobra on June 23, 2019, 05:45:42 pm
think you try doing a Typhoon in Air France Colors? or Maybe do a Mirage 2000 for Alitalia? just a Few Ideas for You to Look at. Dan
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 23, 2019, 06:28:09 pm
Done a little looking and enough "stuff" exists for sale that the possibilities exist. I'll dig deeper and see what I can come up with. Finding the kits is one thing, the decals.........    :o


Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 25, 2019, 03:51:42 pm
Found a Typhoon to buy and.... turns out I already have Air France decals in 1/144. They could possibly work! I can make the fin flash work and the "AIR FRANCE" lettering is small-ish so may fit. Once I get my hands on the kit, I'll go from there and see what happens. Look for a build thread to appear at some point.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TomZ on June 25, 2019, 09:54:34 pm
Looks good.

Bit hard on the stewardesses though. How are they supposed to serve drinks here?

TomZ

Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 26, 2019, 04:39:53 am

Found a Typhoon to buy and.... turns out I already have Air France decals in 1/144. They could possibly work! I can make the fin flash work and the "AIR FRANCE" lettering is small-ish so may fit. Once I get my hands on the kit, I'll go from there and see what happens. Look for a build thread to appear at some point.


Irony AND Whiffing in the same model, considering the French attitude to the Eurofighter project.  ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 26, 2019, 08:32:43 am
Looks good.

Bit hard on the stewardesses though. How are they supposed to serve drinks here?

TomZ



When you ride in this thing, you ARE the steward.  ;D  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEHjI-wSJy4

Thanks, Tom! 
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 26, 2019, 08:34:15 am

Found a Typhoon to buy and.... turns out I already have Air France decals in 1/144. They could possibly work! I can make the fin flash work and the "AIR FRANCE" lettering is small-ish so may fit. Once I get my hands on the kit, I'll go from there and see what happens. Look for a build thread to appear at some point.


Irony AND Whiffing in the same model, considering the French attitude to the Eurofighter project.  ;D :thumbsup:
Ohhh!!! So there's some lore up in here I don't know about! Didn't know about this. Although, I don't know much of anything about the Eurofigther other than it's a really good, pretty small single engine jet fighter.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 26, 2019, 08:58:52 am

Ohhh!!! So there's some lore up in here I don't know about! Didn't know about this. Although, I don't know much of anything about the Eurofigther other than it's a really good, pretty small single engine jet fighter.


Actually the Typhoon, the RAF's name for the Eurofighter, is quite large and it's got two engines.

The French Government pulled out of the original Eurofighter project in favour of developing the indigenous Rafale, naturellement.....  ;)
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 26, 2019, 09:18:46 am

Ohhh!!! So there's some lore up in here I don't know about! Didn't know about this. Although, I don't know much of anything about the Eurofigther other than it's a really good, pretty small single engine jet fighter.


Actually the Typhoon, the RAF's name for the Eurofighter, is quite large and it's got two engines.

The French Government pulled out of the original Eurofighter project in favour of developing the indigenous Rafale, naturellement.....  ;)

lmao   Thank you!  See, I know next to nothing about these. Was it the Rafale I'm thinking of? I know it looks similar. ONE of them made over there I swear remembering being a smaller delta wing "something or other" but this is a massive weak spot in my knowledge of planes. Funny, because I identified this weakness last winter and I resolved to try to learn more about European fighters to avoid situations like this and ....well... here we are.  ;D    I think the one I was thinking of was copied by the Chinese, as well??  I have a model of that one somewhere.  EITHER WAY, I'm severely lacking in this area so it'll be good to dive in and learn more about it.  :thumbsup:  :lol:

Not the Rafale, it's two engines, too, I just looked...  maybe I was just confused about the single engine thing or maybe it was something completely different. I guess it doesn't matter much really.  ;D
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Old Wombat on June 27, 2019, 12:06:23 am
Maybe you're thinking of the Saab Gripen? :unsure:

(https://saab.com/globalassets/gripen.com/7.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4746/39399001145_b3e01ca212_b.jpg)

I have one (maybe two?) in the stash. ;)
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: zenrat on June 27, 2019, 02:26:45 am
These modern planes all look the same to me...

 :o
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 27, 2019, 02:34:28 am
That's probably it!! They all look similar from a distance and hard to tell apart for someone not that versed on them.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: zenrat on June 27, 2019, 04:02:51 am
There goes my future career in the Observer Corp.  Unless the enemy is using a fleet of historic warbirds of course.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 27, 2019, 11:05:04 am
Same here....      But....  I wasn't losing my mind, even people who know all the ins and outs of these jet SHOULD agree that they all look damn similar:

(https://i.imgur.com/SNIO3TR.png)
(I didn't even bother to read the stuff in the photo yet)

Not like we're being confused between an F-16 and an F-15 or something.  ;D


Any how, I've found the kit and have some decals. I just need to buy said kit. It's $13 after shipping, not too bad?  Revell Typhoon.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Scotaidh on June 28, 2019, 01:50:20 am
It's always been thus.  As far back as WWI, the general shapes of everyone's aircraft were pretty much the same, allowing for differences largely due to roles.

Basic engineering principle: Form follows function, and is determined by state of the art. 

Given the way information has always percolated around, whether by espionage or sharing, we're all pretty much on the same page, process- and materials-wise.  There are always some standout one-offs from the norm - freaks, mutations - they're usually not very successful in the long run.

So don't feel bad - the main form of recognition in WWI, as I understand it*, was by how the a/c were painted.  :)

* from reading Biggles
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 28, 2019, 06:34:26 am

(https://i.imgur.com/SNIO3TR.png)


Hmmm, other, and more up to date, opinions than some of those in the boxes are available..............
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: zenrat on June 28, 2019, 06:55:49 am

(https://i.imgur.com/SNIO3TR.png)


Hmmm, other, and more up to date, opinions than some of those in the boxes are available..............

I'm not sure what "moderately objectable deficiencies" means.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 28, 2019, 07:12:51 am
This would appear to have been made by a Rafale fanboy.  ;D     
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Old Wombat on June 28, 2019, 07:22:50 am
(https://i.imgur.com/SNIO3TR.png)

I get the feeling that that may have been published by Dassault. ;)
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 28, 2019, 08:49:52 am

I get the feeling that that may have been published by Dassault. ;)


PRECISELY!
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: nighthunter on June 28, 2019, 09:41:46 am
*reads the boxes and does a spit-take all over the work vehicle* Cough! Gag! Rafael fanboy to be sure! If a manufacturer made it, 'twould have actual performance data, not just unsubstantiated opinion. As a fan of the Gripen, this is... I just don't have the words... At least not any suitable for you honourable gentlemen, to hear, much less read.
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 28, 2019, 11:10:21 am
From now on when things aren't going my way, I'm going to exclaim, "MINIMUM EXPECTED CAPABILITIES NOT ACHIEVED!  :angry: "       ;D ;D ;D


This stuff reminds me of "Ford versus Chevy."  :unsure:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 28, 2019, 11:14:12 am
And whoever wrote MINIMUM EXPECTED CAPABILITIES NOT ACHIEVED for the ground attack capabilities of the Typhoon obviously never saw a pic of them lifting from Akrotiri in recently. Not a single stores station unused!


Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 28, 2019, 11:23:03 am
I went back and had a look at the source places for the images and the threads containing them were from 2015 or 2016 so take that as you will. Not what I would consider old but then again the image itself could be quite old. Doesn't help the malarkey factor any though.  :wacko:   

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/typhoon-vs-rafale.460375/

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-French-Rafale-aircraft-better-than-the-Eurofighter-Typhoon-and-the-SAAB-Gripen

Again, I didn't bother reading any of it. (yet  ;D )
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 28, 2019, 02:32:23 pm

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-French-Rafale-aircraft-better-than-the-Eurofighter-Typhoon-and-the-SAAB-Gripen


They would say that, wouldn't they? Mandy Rice-Davies 1963
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: NARSES2 on July 13, 2019, 07:10:54 am

They would say that, wouldn't they? Mandy Rice-Davies 1963

Showing your age a bit there aren't you Kit ?  :angel:
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 13, 2019, 08:36:17 am

They would say that, wouldn't they? Mandy Rice-Davies 1963

Showing your age a bit there aren't you Kit ?  :angel:


As if I cared!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on August 06, 2019, 03:40:35 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/SNIO3TR.png)

I get the feeling that that may have been published by Dassault. ;)
The picture is showing an abstract of the leaked Swiss evaluation of 2011, all the comments in the boxes were done by the Swiss Air Force during the evaluation. So readers have to take into account the date of the comments and the very unique Swiss context.

There is a new ongoing evaluation nowadays in Switzerland, and things are a little bit different (Gripen E is out of the game, and Typhoon more mature than in 2011 of course).
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 22, 2019, 05:04:46 pm
think you try doing a Typhoon in Air France Colors? or Maybe do a Mirage 2000 for Alitalia? just a Few Ideas for You to Look at. Dan

(https://i.imgur.com/n7htDCq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QG1ptam.jpg)

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=46814.15

 ;)

Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: Weaver on August 22, 2019, 08:55:08 pm
That's probably it!! They all look similar from a distance and hard to tell apart for someone not that versed on them.

Intakes are the key thing here:

Gripen: rectangular side intakes

Rafale: oval lower-side(?) intakes (hard to describe)

Typhoon: rectangular chin intake with central splitter
Title: Re: F-4F -British Caledonian- 1/144 ***FINISHED***
Post by: NARSES2 on August 23, 2019, 05:56:37 am
Very neat  :thumbsup: