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GROUP BUILDS => The Flying Machines of Unconventional Means GB => Topic started by: NARSES2 on February 24, 2019, 06:14:34 am

Title: The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on February 24, 2019, 06:14:34 am
Right here are the rules for the G.B.  Apologies for the delay in getting this up, but I've been struggling to get my brain around it. If you are unsure as to whether your idea fits into the G.B. or not then please contact the moderators to check (PR19 Kit and Narses2). They will then discuss it and get back to you with an answer. I think for this G.B. we will definitely be playing it on a case by case basis. So if unsure, ask.

1. This GB runs from the 1st March 2019 until midnight of 31st May 2019. Extensions will be considered in the normal way nearer the date.

2. So what does the G.B. encompass ?  Broadly it includes any type that could be considered even slightly unusual or unconventional at the time it was conceived. So VTOL/STOVL, Tilt wings, Zell types, Helicopters and other rotary types, lighter than air types etc which were conceived and built let alone the really odd types the honourable members can come up with.

If you have an idea for something that gets off the ground (or tries to) by methods other than the vehicles forward motion causing air to travel over an aerofoil surface then itís probably included. If in doubt ask.

3. Models, drawings, artwork and stories are all eligible.

4. Models already started are allowed as long as major building work has not started before the GB begins. Check with the Moderators. 

5. Finished models and profiles to be posted (with picture and link to build thread) in the finished builds thread within the overall GB thread in this Board. Please do not post comments in the finished builds thread.

6. Have FUN. 

8. Moderators are PR19 Kit and Narses2.

9. There is no rule 7, don't EVER ask about rule 7 (O.K. so sometimes itís Rule 6 that doesn't get mentioned, but Rule 7 had a right moan about being overworked last time out so I gave in ).


Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: Weaver on February 26, 2019, 02:26:29 am
A question if I may?

Would it be permissible to saw a major part in half before the start date, for the purposes of making a (non-glued) mock-up?
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: McColm on February 26, 2019, 03:57:30 am
Can you kitbash from other started whiffs?
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: sandiego89 on February 26, 2019, 07:43:57 am
I like the rules Chris. 

Good stuff- thanks as always.

Dave
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on February 26, 2019, 08:01:50 am
A question if I may?

Would it be permissible to saw a major part in half before the start date, for the purposes of making a (non-glued) mock-up?

I don't have a problem with that as long as that's all you'll be doing.
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on February 26, 2019, 08:05:36 am
Can you kitbash from other started whiffs?

This is the rule that applies Models already started are allowed as long as major building work has not started before the GB begins. Check with the Moderators. 

So it really does depend on how far you got with the original model.


Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 26, 2019, 10:39:07 am
What Chris said..................  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: McColm on February 26, 2019, 01:52:07 pm
Thanks for the clarification  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: Weaver on February 26, 2019, 04:38:26 pm
A question if I may?

Would it be permissible to saw a major part in half before the start date, for the purposes of making a (non-glued) mock-up?

I don't have a problem with that as long as that's all you'll be doing.

Great - thanks. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: TallEng on February 27, 2019, 01:53:43 pm
Can i enter a Harrier?
built as a Harrier.
I refer to the 'Leaping Heap' as opposed to any '30s biplane that may or may not
have used that name.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 27, 2019, 02:38:58 pm
The Mods will have to debate on that one I'm sure.

Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 28, 2019, 04:29:17 am

Can i enter a Harrier?
built as a Harrier.
I refer to the 'Leaping Heap' as opposed to any '30s biplane that may or may not
have used that name.

Regards
Keith


The Mods have moderated and have decided that a Harrier is OK, so you can proceed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: TallEng on February 28, 2019, 06:59:04 am
Cheers Kit :thumbsup:
Proceedings will proceed as soon as I return home from sunny Sweden ;D

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on February 28, 2019, 07:06:46 am
Putting my Moderators hat on Harrier's get in under the definition of "Unusual and unconventional" because they certainly were and to a large extent still are.
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: Vorcha on March 09, 2019, 10:38:31 am
Hi, I have this idea, but I'm not sure if this fits the requirements for this GB...
(https://i.imgur.com/rmRVu7W.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/rmRVu7W.jpg)
So the subject is a dragon with forward wings made of mutated eyebrow tissue...

Now I know, that's not a machine, but if you think about it, a definition of a machine can be, that it is an extension of the human body in one form or another. As such, mankind has utilized many different contraptions to overcome the limitations of his body - and for hundreds of thousands of years that was mainly done by means of organic "things" made of wood for example or, in other cases by using "living matter" - animals (besides stones of course). (Now in modern german law for example - and others, animals are not seen as "things" anymore, but they have been in the past, since man has become conscious...).

So this is the rough outline of the story: The specimen shown here is a product of breeding by the Valyrian Freehold, a political entity in the "A song of Ice and Fire" world by George R.R. Martin. While subduing it's neighbours, the Valyrians extensively relied on dragons, which they first encountered and tamed on the valyrian peninsula, thousands of years ago. However at some point their enemies began working on better and better heavy scorpions, basically oversized bows, with which they began scoring more and more ground to air kills against manned dragons.

Though dragons were numerous at any time in valyria, maintenance and training for them was exceedingly expensive, as well as the payment for skilled dragon riders. When losses began mounting, the valyrian high command began searching for ways to make dragons more maneuverable, but to limited success. A new breed however promised a significant increase in maneuverability and thus increasing survivability in case of enemy ground fire: A breed that developed canard wings from its eyebrow tissue.

Research and development of this new breed would take several generations of dragons to optimize. As soon as a few "prototypes" where available, one was rushed into combat testing on the northern front against the city state of Qohor. While on duty there it prooved to be far superior to regular breeds in service and the high command prepared to issue an initial request for 20 dragons of this new breed.

On the day of signing, however, the Doom of Valyria happened. As one of the few surviving valyrian dragons, this specimen was extensively used by the surviving dragon lords. But poor maintenance and irregular food supply proved to be very detrimental to the still very sensitive animal and it died within a year of the Doom.


...so... is it ok for the group build?  :angel: :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 09, 2019, 10:50:45 am

...so... is it ok for the group build?  :angel: :angel: :angel:


Hehehe, much chortling.  ;D

I reckon it's fine, but I'll confer with my fellow mod and get back to you.
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: NARSES2 on March 10, 2019, 07:32:00 am
I think we are both o.k. with this Vorcha  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: Vorcha on March 10, 2019, 12:42:04 pm
 :) :thumbsup: :angel: thanks
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: Old Wombat on March 11, 2019, 07:39:49 am
But is it a machine as such? :unsure:

Now, if it had a rider & there was a passenger/cargo module strapped underneath it with fixed/retractable undercarriage we could certainly say it was a Flying Machine of Unconventional Means.



(You can ignore me, I'm not partaking of this particular GB, & I'm in a particularly pedantic mood tonight. ;D)
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 11, 2019, 07:49:46 am

But is it a machine as such? :unsure:


If we, the mods, say it's a machine, it is one, OK?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: The Rules
Post by: Rheged on March 11, 2019, 10:27:43 am

But is it a machine as such? :unsure:


If we, the nods, say it's a machine, it is one, OK?  ;D ;)

It's like the rules of cricket . Every rule begins "If, in the opinion of the umpire.........."  and so it is in Whiffworld:- "If, in the opinion of the moderators......."

.............and quite right too!!