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Title: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 10, 2018, 12:51:16 am
Base kit is a Tamiya 1/48 Bristol Beaufighter TF.Mk.X to which I'll be adding parts sourced from the remains of an Italeri 1/48 S-2E/G Tracker.

Those parts will be the wing-fold interior details & the hook ... Possibly plus anything else which may look cool & serve a potential purpose.

At the moment it's all just a pile of sprues in the workspace & a vague plan forming in my head.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Doug K on November 10, 2018, 06:16:57 am
Looking forward to this, I have lots of Beau bits lying around 😉
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: dogsbody on November 10, 2018, 07:54:25 pm
I acquired this drawing years ago, on the long-gone AirWarFare forum.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4829/44004095300_43811c7d3d_b.jpg)



Chris
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 10, 2018, 11:26:14 pm
Thanks, guys! :thumbsup:

Dogsbody, I got the same image over on BtS, & yes, a similar idea is forming.

I'm thinking, though, of having the wing fold further out (although that screws with the 3-part wing plan) & losing the machine guns.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 12, 2018, 04:29:07 am
1st cuts made & glue applied.

Hook & hook fuselage section of the Tracker reduced by about 6mm, which is roughly 210mm (81/2") IRL, & glued back together, narrower & shorter.

Outer wings glued together, as I need to be able to gauge how to work the fold parts into the wing, which has a much deeper chord than the Tracker but only about 2/3 the span, & I'll probably do the tail & tail-planes before I go to bed.


Note: A quick check of the Beau against the Grebe shows the Beau to be smaller in comparison than I expected, although most of that difference is forward of the wings.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: dogsbody on November 12, 2018, 03:43:34 pm
" Dogsbody, I got the same image over on BtS, & yes, a similar idea is forming.

I'm thinking, though, of having the wing fold further out (although that screws with the 3-part wing plan) & losing the machine guns. "



Yeah, I noticed that. I've had this in the files since 2004. There was an awful lot of great stuff on the old AWF forum. I wish I had saved more of it.


Chris

Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 14, 2018, 05:26:47 am
Wings cut 5mm out from the air intakes on the leading edge.

Excellent spot for the wing fold, if losing the .303 Brownings isn't an issue (&, apparently it wasn't as I've read that Coastal Command Beaufighters often had the wing guns removed) but it looks like I'm going to have to scratch-build at least 3/4 of the wing structure & fold mechanism because there is no way the Tracker's fold pieces are suitable as is (far too small).

Photos will be coming but I've got to get a new debit cash card up & running to get my SmugMug subscription up & running again (it ran out while I was on holidays & so did the current Load-&-Go card).


Now, gents, a question: As I have to scratch build so much, do I make the wing fold a manual system or a hydraulic one? :unsure:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: AS.12 on November 14, 2018, 05:36:48 am
You could do an Aéronavale one, which would just be un eaufighter.


Ah my taxi's here...
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 14, 2018, 05:59:16 am

Now, gents, a question: As I have to scratch build so much, do I make the wing fold a manual system or a hydraulic one? :unsure:

For the period concerned I would have thought a manual system.

Looking forward to this  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 14, 2018, 06:46:19 am
You could do an Aéronavale one, which would just be un eaufighter.


Ah my taxi's here...

'Eau, non! She's going to be Royal Australian Navy, murky bucket! ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 14, 2018, 07:25:57 am

Now, gents, a question: As I have to scratch build so much, do I make the wing fold a manual system or a hydraulic one? :unsure:

For the period concerned I would have thought a manual system.

Looking forward to this  :thumbsup:

According to information I have the Avenger & Hellcat both used hydraulic wing fold systems on the more complex "Sto-Wing" aft folding system due to the weight of their wings & they definitely fit the period (even the Wildcat had a hydraulic system for a while but it was heavy & Grumman found that the fold could be achieved by 2 men just as quickly, so they stopped fitting them).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bh3CKw_HLk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bh3CKw_HLk)

My fold is pretty close to half of the Beaufighter's wing, which would make it easily heavy enough to justify a hydraulic wing fold & is (over) vertical which makes it difficult to do manually. However, if someone can come up with a suitable (read "easy & safe") manual system I'm all eyes!
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: dogsbody on November 14, 2018, 04:13:07 pm
What about a flush-fitting rod on the bottom wing, with the hinge toward the wingtip. Deck crew could release the rod and then pust the wing up to the lock position. The rod could also be used to lower the wing after the up-locks are released.


Chris
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 14, 2018, 05:15:02 pm
Nice idea but not really suitable for the over-wing fold I intend.

Similar to the image below but the wings won't be overlapping;

(https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/7/3/4/4027437.jpg?v=v4d0834f3291)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Captain Canada on November 14, 2018, 08:21:27 pm
What are those things sticking out under the nacelles of that Tracker ?
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kerick on November 14, 2018, 08:52:22 pm
Sonobouy launchers? Nope, sonobouy tubes were at the back of the engine nacelles.

Wikapedia said something about smoke devices but I’m not sure. Photos show these devices on some aircraft but not others.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: AS.12 on November 15, 2018, 12:09:08 am
Wikapedia said something about smoke devices but I’m not sure. Photos show these devices on some aircraft but not others.

Correct, smoke marker launcher.

Previously built into the fuselage, deleted on the S-2F to save space but returned on the '2G mounted on the nacelle.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on November 15, 2018, 12:29:09 am
So that's what Max had on the side of the Last V8...
(https://media.caradvice.com.au/image/private/c_fill,q_auto,f_auto,w_770,ar_770:382/mad-max-interceptor-build-hero-2_whfuvt.jpg)

BTW Womby, in this scale I expect, nay demand, that your wing folds are operational...  ;D  ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 15, 2018, 06:19:56 am
To be honest, after 34 years, I'd forgotten but, yes, they are smoke-pot dispensers.

Quote from: wikipedia
Smoke dispensers were mounted on the port ventral surface of the nacelles in groups of three each.

BTW Womby, in this scale I expect, nay demand, that your wing folds are operational...  ;D  ;)

You can expect & demand all you want, mate. What you're gunna get is what I serve up. ;)

Actually, I'd thought about making it workable but there are going to be far too many tiny hinges & other bits that would break far too easily.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 15, 2018, 07:06:48 am

According to information I have the Avenger & Hellcat both used hydraulic wing fold systems on the more complex "Sto-Wing" aft folding system due to the weight of their wings & they definitely fit the period (even the Wildcat had a hydraulic system for a while but it was heavy & Grumman found that the fold could be achieved by 2 men just as quickly, so they stopped fitting them).


I realise a lot of USN types had hydraulic wing folds, but I was working on the basis that the FAA was slightly behind the times in this area, especially when using an aircraft originally designed for the RAF ? I did look to see if the Sea Mosquito was manual or hydraulic, but my Putnam's doesn't say.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 15, 2018, 08:16:06 am
Chris, I know where you're coming from - it's what was playing on my mind when I posited the question - but thinking on it I believe the Beaufighter wing may be too heavy for a manual fold, especially the up-&-over fold I'm using (I don't think my skills are quite up to the cuts involved in making a Sto-Wing fold system which would be the other alternative).

I know how heavy the outer wing of the Tracker was &, although shorter, the Beau wing is deeper in chord & would weigh about the same or more. The Tracker wings could be folded & unfolded manually but it was slow, hard & potentially dangerous work for far too many crew to be conducted as a regular thing.

So, as this build is in my RAM time-line & is going to be a DAP-built aircraft, I'm going to assume that the more-advanced-than-real-world Australian aviation industry has the technology to make the hydraulic fold work.

I've actually made the cuts & cobbled it together with tape & she looks pretty good. I'll take some photo's tomorrow (later today) to post when I get my SmugMug account back in order.

Thanks for bouncing ideas, though. Even if I don't use them, they are appreciated & often help to crystallise in my mind where I want to go. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kitnut617 on November 15, 2018, 11:21:52 am
This pic of the Sea Mosquito shows what maybe a hydraulic activated wing fold

(http://village.photos/images/user/8f3973c9-3f0e-4b54-80e2-017121c0bf9f/c4bdd61c-2ad7-4768-b252-4b2a7edc605c.jpg)

But if you look at the top right photo in this pic I think it might have been manual.

(http://village.photos/images/user/8f3973c9-3f0e-4b54-80e2-017121c0bf9f/c6cf4e77-b74a-42b1-9167-75020f17038b.jpg)

I've read an interesting article about the first Sea Mosquito prototype, probably in one of the past issues of Air-Britain's AeroMilitaria. It was a recounting of someone's memory of what was done to get the wing folded. A Mk.VI had been selected for the conversion and an engineer had come out and drawn a line on the wing, then told the worker to "cut here" using a wood saw   :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: AS.12 on November 15, 2018, 12:24:50 pm
Yes, the Sea Mossie's wing was manually folded by a gang of four using a long pole.

The wingtips were by secured by cords to lugs behind the canopy, and supports went up through the undercarriage bay via a hatch in the upper centre-section to slot into the folded wing.  All a bit of a faff.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 15, 2018, 02:38:36 pm
Yes, the Sea Mossie's wing was manually folded by a gang of four using a long pole.

The wingtips were by secured by cords to lugs behind the canopy, and supports went up through the undercarriage bay via a hatch in the upper centre-section to slot into the folded wing.  All a bit of a faff.

Looks like a gang of seven in the photo & with the support already deployed it's far too easy to punch a hole on the wing when folding it, too. With the hydraulic system the hydraulic rams can be designed to go only so far, then the rams hold the wing up until one or two ground crew can climb up & fit the support struts in place. Much fewer crew & much safer.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kitnut617 on November 15, 2018, 03:19:26 pm
The DH Sea Hornet wings were hydraulic folded.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kerick on November 15, 2018, 08:36:03 pm
What about a Skyraider hinge? Just my $0.02.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: AS.12 on November 15, 2018, 11:26:06 pm
The Sea Hornet had the advantage that accommodation for the mechanism could be designed-in from the outset, though it still needed metal plates inserted inside the upper & lower wooden wing skins like the Sea Mosquito.  The Beau wouldn't need those so might have enough room & strength for a hydraulic system.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 16, 2018, 06:06:43 am
Must admit I did have some doubts regarding the weight of the wing and a manual fold.

In some respects I think if it was a wartime conversion they would have gone for getting the aircraft in production a.s.a.p. and that may have meant a manual fold, but if post war then there would have been the time to design in a hydraulic one. Also there might have been more manpower available to fold it during the war.


I've actually made the cuts & cobbled it together with tape & she looks pretty good. I'll take some photo's tomorrow (later today) to post when I get my SmugMug account back in order.


 :thumbsup: Looking forward to this
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Doug K on November 16, 2018, 10:14:58 am


I've read an interesting article about the first Sea Mosquito prototype, probably in one of the past issues of Air-Britain's AeroMilitaria. It was a recounting of someone's memory of what was done to get the wing folded. A Mk.VI had been selected for the conversion and an engineer had come out and drawn a line on the wing, then told the worker to "cut here" using a wood saw   :o

Pretty much my method when I folded my Osprey floatplane
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Rheged on November 16, 2018, 01:01:47 pm
I was wondering if you might have considered a Z-fold like a Gannet wing?
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: AS.12 on November 16, 2018, 10:55:34 pm
Digging through the Flight archives I discovered that design of the Sea Hornet's hydraulic folding was subcontracted to Heston Aircraft.  Might be a nugget you could use in a back-story for the Sea Beau.

Ironically probably the cleanest neatest design of the era was the Sea Fury, from Hawker who hadn't previously folded a monoplane wing.  I wonder if that was subcontracted too.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 17, 2018, 04:25:33 pm

I was wondering if you might have considered a Z-fold like a Gannet wing?


Or even an EVERYthing fold, like the Barracuda?  :o ;D

(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/183/Pv9qkz.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: rickshaw on November 17, 2018, 06:56:14 pm

I was wondering if you might have considered a Z-fold like a Gannet wing?


Or even an EVERYthing fold, like the Barracuda?  :o ;D

(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/183/Pv9qkz.jpg)

How did "Winkle" Browne describe it?  Ah, yes, "the Ironmonger's paradise".  Overall, a neat fold but it was a terrible effort with the undercarriage and the flaps apparently.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 18, 2018, 01:12:50 am
I've got an etched brass and white metal conversion kit to do a 'folded' Barracuda, and I've even got the Barracuda to go with it, but I'm not sure that I have the spare year that it'd probably take to actually DO it!  :o :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 18, 2018, 05:14:55 am
I was wondering if you might have considered a Z-fold like a Gannet wing?

Doable but no need, the Z-fold was as much to stop the wings smacking into each other as it was to reduce height. With the over-wing fold the Beau's span is not much wider than the tail unit & the wings barely reach the fuselage.

Or even an EVERYthing fold, like the Barracuda?  :o ;D

Kit, I am many things but a masochist is not amongst them.

The Sea Beau may not have folded up as small as the Barracuda but it gave the ground crew far fewer nightmares.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Air21 on November 18, 2018, 06:45:25 am
Or a sweep back like a C-2 or E-2... One benefit is it keeps all the mass low and I suppose easier to manipulate into place with some special tool if you really had to, like a jack on wheels.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kitnut617 on November 18, 2018, 07:27:26 am

I was wondering if you might have considered a Z-fold like a Gannet wing?


Or even an EVERYthing fold, like the Barracuda?  :o ;D

(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/183/Pv9qkz.jpg)

An a good example of 'why' it had to fold up that way, it barely fits on the elevator --  :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 18, 2018, 11:14:12 am
I've always thought the Barracuda could have used a 'twist-and-fold' system like the Grummans did. With that high tailplane the wing tips would have fitted nicely underneath.

Hmmm, there's a thought, build a stock Barracuda with an RW colour scheme and do it with such a wing fold. Perhaps only the die hard FAA fans would notice what was Whiffish about it, the normal Barracuca fold being SO outrageous?
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: AS.12 on November 18, 2018, 12:50:31 pm
Fairey seem to have been stuck in a 1930s mindset when it came to the Fulmar and Barra, both folded aft on vertical hinges like the biplanes but then they had to pile-on all sorts of complications to make it work with monoplanes. 

Grumman had a bit more of an innovative mindset, hence the oblique fold.  But Fairey got themselves sorted-out for the Firefly and Spearfish at least, I think the Barra must have been such a nightmare that they were shocked into changing.

British types with an oblique fold, like the Firefly, rotated the wing leading edge up during folding whereas the Grummans rotated it down.  I don't know why, but the Grumman system would seem to protect the control surfaces better since they ended-up elevated away from the deck
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 18, 2018, 02:07:14 pm

British types with an oblique fold, like the Firefly, rotated the wing leading edge up during folding whereas the Grummans rotated it down.  I don't know why, but the Grumman system would seem to protect the control surfaces better since they ended-up elevated away from the deck


Just BECAUSE we're British old boy!  ;D ;)

The Barracuda would have had to use a LE up type fold as they could then use similar clamps to connect to the tailplane, as it did with the 'fold everything' version. I can't see those clamps working when braced from the ailerons.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on November 18, 2018, 04:08:07 pm

I was wondering if you might have considered a Z-fold like a Gannet wing?


Or even an EVERYthing fold, like the Barracuda?  :o ;D

(https://imageshack.com/a/img923/183/Pv9qkz.jpg)

An a good example of 'why' it had to fold up that way, it barely fits on the elevator --  :o

Did they have written instructions?

Take flap A and fold over Wing B whilst releasing latch C.  Pull and lift Wing B while simultaneously fitting catch D into locking flange E and opening access panel F in order to tuck Flap B over itself.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kerick on November 18, 2018, 04:34:58 pm
This guy actually built a model of it in 1/72nd scale!  :o
http://i-am-modelist.com/2012/06/20/fairey-barracuda-mk-iii/
Glutton for punishment!

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fairey_Barracuda_Mk_II.jpg#/media/File:Fairey_Barracuda_Mk_II.jpg

With those dive brakes its almost a biplane!
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 18, 2018, 05:02:23 pm
That's SERIOUSLY good modelling!  :thumbsup:

Does the Special Hobby kit come with the wing already cut up like that? The old FROG kit has them in two pieces, top and bottom!

And he'd have had to work purely off pics, there being no complete Barracuda left anywhere in the world, but the Yeovilton Museum guys are doing their best to re-build one.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kitnut617 on November 18, 2018, 06:01:21 pm
That's SERIOUSLY good modelling!  :thumbsup:

Does the Special Hobby kit come with the wing already cut up like that? The old FROG kit has them in two pieces, top and bottom!

And he'd have had to work purely off pics, there being no complete Barracuda left anywhere in the world, but the Yeovilton Museum guys are doing their best to re-build one.

I've seen a wing fold conversion somewhere on the internet, lot of PE and stuff. Can't remember who produced it ---  :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 19, 2018, 06:16:21 am

An a good example of 'why' it had to fold up that way, it barely fits on the elevator --  :o

Absolutely there's hardly any room at all. It almost needs the rear fuselage to fold forward  :o


Does the Special Hobby kit come with the wing already cut up like that? The old FROG kit has them in two pieces, top and bottom!


The SH kit's wing is quite simple. Just upper and bottom halves, plus the separate dive brakes/flaps. So 6 parts in total, quite simple in comparison to what it could have been  ;) If you want to fold them you would have a fair bit of cutting to do
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 19, 2018, 07:04:15 am

The SH kit's wing is quite simple. Just upper and bottom halves, plus the separate dive brakes/flaps. So 6 parts in total, quite simple in comparison to what it could have been  ;) If you want to fold them you would have a fair bit of cutting to do


The link that Kerick posted shows how the modeller sawed it up, and you're dead right, there IS a fair bit to do then!  :o

I reckon my idea of a Whiffed fold would be easier, I think I'll search out my ancient FROG kit.........  ;D
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 22, 2018, 03:44:06 am
Quick update, as I still can't do pic's yet. (Soon, I promise!)

As certain parts will be open & some of the innards will be visible I'm doing some internal detail work. Nothing exact or consistent with any one type (it's getting both Bristol & DAP details, some of which are inconsistent) but at least make it look like the inside of an aircraft.

I should be finished with them tonight & I intend taking some photo's which I hope to be able to show you tomorrow.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 22, 2018, 07:07:23 am
Tease  ;D
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 22, 2018, 08:42:19 pm
Well, I didn't get the job finished BUT I did take photo's & sort out my SmugMug account!

So, here are the few photo's I've taken so far;

Folded wings:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-7cchJxt/0/fd4347a8/L/DSCN7574-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-dP37Pfm/0/2fec5761/L/DSCN7575-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-MXDhFgz/0/05f33ad8/L/DSCN7576-L.jpg)

Interior detailing (I'm slow at this):

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-bHjs35s/0/c22bb3ab/L/DSCN7577-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-X8V7vKF/0/7f71ae27/L/DSCN7579-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-9W68rPH/0/0c86b0bf/L/DSCN7581-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-8Wpvk24/0/d854167c/L/DSCN7582-L.jpg)

There's still more detailing (a few more electrical boxes, radios, folding map table, pipes & wiring - things like that) & painting of the interior to go before I can button her up.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 23, 2018, 12:12:57 am
That wing fold is looking highly plausible.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 23, 2018, 12:34:57 am
Thanks, Kit! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 23, 2018, 06:13:15 am
That wing fold is looking highly plausible.  :thumbsup:

It is indeed  :thumbsup:

I like the start to the interior as well
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Rheged on November 23, 2018, 09:35:54 am
The whole opus is looking extremely competently done. Congratulations.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Captain Canada on November 23, 2018, 06:30:11 pm
Great job on this one ! Love the Beau and the idea of a naval one is right up there in the great ideas category.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 24, 2018, 03:37:22 am
Thanks, gents! :thumbsup:

There's more stuff in there now & I've started painting it (no pipes or wires, yet), & I think it's starting to look pretty good. Pity most of it will be barely visible through the openings but it'll be there & partially visible from the right angles. ;D
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 25, 2018, 06:45:00 am
And you'll know it's there  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 25, 2018, 11:49:22 pm
And you'll know it's there  :thumbsup:

And, oddly, that does matter. ;)

By the way, all;

It appears I'm not the only person to build a folding-wing Beaufighter.

Marcel du Long sets a high standard to aim for:

(http://www.marceldulong.com/uploads/_enkeleAfbeeldingCrop/Beaufighter_03.jpg)

http://www.marceldulong.com/plastics/raaf-target-towing-bristol-beaufighter (http://www.marceldulong.com/plastics/raaf-target-towing-bristol-beaufighter)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: rickshaw on November 26, 2018, 12:38:16 am
Interesting.  Painted as a Target Tug.   Too much counter-shading and weathering for my liking though but well executed.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on November 26, 2018, 12:55:43 am
Nice work but I agree about the pre shading and weathering.

Did I read somewhere (possibly here) that the trailing edges of propeller blades in reality suffer more chipping than the leading?


Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 26, 2018, 03:32:22 am
Nice work but I agree about the pre shading and weathering.

Did I read somewhere (possibly here) that the trailing edges of propeller blades in reality suffer more chipping than the leading?

Not on Grumman Trackers, they didn't. There was a generally even chipping across the whole face of the blade & leading edge. Where there was almost no chipping was the back of the blade (the "face" of the blade being the bit that bites into the air as the blade is turning, the "back" is the reverse of that side of the blade & is the bit that can be seen when viewing the aircraft from the front).
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 26, 2018, 07:19:21 am
Interesting.  Painted as a Target Tug.   Too much counter-shading and weathering for my liking though but well executed.     :thumbsup:

I wouldn't disagree, but it's a lovely model  :thumbsup:

I also find the colour of the cowl rings interesting as they tend to come down more on the "side of the fence" I find myself on. Although I see them more of a darker bronze colour, but it's things like that that enliven this hobby of ours  ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: AS.12 on November 26, 2018, 10:48:40 am
It is stunning, if a little to extreme in weathering for me, but looks really odd standing on 'tippy-toes'.  I'd have expected him to weight-bulge the tyres the little.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 26, 2018, 10:58:03 am
The wing fold hinges are outstanding!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on November 27, 2018, 03:55:23 am
Nice work but I agree about the pre shading and weathering.

Did I read somewhere (possibly here) that the trailing edges of propeller blades in reality suffer more chipping than the leading?

Not on Grumman Trackers, they didn't. There was a generally even chipping across the whole face of the blade & leading edge. Where there was almost no chipping was the back of the blade (the "face" of the blade being the bit that bites into the air as the blade is turning, the "back" is the reverse of that side of the blade & is the bit that can be seen when viewing the aircraft from the front).

Thanks Womby, that makes sense.

Interesting.  Painted as a Target Tug.   Too much counter-shading and weathering for my liking though but well executed.     :thumbsup:

I wouldn't disagree, but it's a lovely model  :thumbsup:

I also find the colour of the cowl rings interesting as they tend to come down more on the "side of the fence" I find myself on. Although I see them more of a darker bronze colour, but it's things like that that enliven this hobby of ours  ;)

I like shiny polished copper/brass/bronze cowl rings.  From a purely aesthetic PoV.  I know they might not be accurate but IMO they contrast nicely against drab military coloured satin or matt finished paint work.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 27, 2018, 05:09:02 am
No shiny bits on mine, all will be camouflaged, & I do next to no shading & try to keep panel lines to a minimum, & usually only those panels which are removed/opened frequently for maintenance.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 27, 2018, 07:08:29 am

I like shiny polished copper/brass/bronze cowl rings.  From a purely aesthetic PoV.  I know they might not be accurate but IMO they contrast nicely against drab military coloured satin or matt finished paint work.

As do I. A lot of people will say they were a very dark, almost black, metallic shade, but I still use an old tin of Antique Bronze from Humbrol's Authentics range.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 29, 2018, 12:45:16 am
Waiting for "Home & Away" to finish, so I can venture back out to the modelling site.

Should be able to get the detailing work done to the decal stage, minus the Eduard 1/48 Ammo Belts 12.7mm which are working their way towards me via AusPost.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 29, 2018, 06:28:43 am
So she's having 0.5" in the wings instead of 0.303" ?

Talking of guns. Shouldn't that Beaufighter target tug model have its wing guns sealed as well as the 20mm cannon ports ?
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 29, 2018, 06:41:49 am
So she's having 0.5" in the wings instead of 0.303" ?

Nope, the wing guns are being deleted & the ports will be faired over. ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 29, 2018, 08:06:22 am
Right so the navigator gets one ? Or do I have to hold my horses and wait and see ?  ;D
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 29, 2018, 09:03:50 am
Right so the navigator gets one ? Or do I have to hold my horses and wait and see ?  ;D

You got it! :thumbsup:

The Nav/RO's Vickers K gun is being replaced with a Browning .50cal to give him a bit more bite than bark.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on November 30, 2018, 06:12:44 am
Sensible and I'm surprised it wasn't done in the real world. Or was it on the DAP built examples ?
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on November 30, 2018, 07:45:51 am
Sensible and I'm surprised it wasn't done in the real world. Or was it on the DAP built examples ?

I thought so but the actual DAP Beaufighters just had the bubble canopy for the Nav/RO without the gun.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on December 01, 2018, 02:22:30 am
Ta  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 02, 2018, 07:30:22 pm
It's taken a bit longer than planned but that's normal.

Here are the internal mod's done so far. Still waiting on ammo belts & .50cal MG, whilst wondering if I should fork out for some resin seats.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-r365DJ2/0/714e0267/XL/IMG_2040-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-HWV9v5g/0/ec959802/XL/IMG_2044-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-GNZdqNk/0/0340c774/XL/IMG_2045-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-zV5mG8h/0/41e4be7b/XL/IMG_2042-XL.jpg)

A bit rough & spectacularly inaccurate but suitable for "busying up" the inside.


Cheers! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Snowtrooper on December 03, 2018, 02:13:10 am
From the looks of it, the fuselage is a big open space but the bulkhead between the cockpit and the rest of the plane seems to be solid? Always thought there would have been access to the cockpit from the inside too. (Could be the perspetive fooling me though.)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: KiwiZac on December 03, 2018, 02:17:45 am
As I said elsewhere: the interior of your navalised Beaufighter is inaccurate? ;D
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 03, 2018, 02:45:57 am
As I said elsewhere: the interior of your navalised Beaufighter is inaccurate? ;D

As I said elsewhere; "Yep" ;D

From the looks of it, the fuselage is a big open space but the bulkhead between the cockpit and the rest of the plane seems to be solid? Always thought there would have been access to the cockpit from the inside too. (Could be the perspetive fooling me though.)

The kit came with a solid wall between the cockpit & cabin, with a fairly small hatch lined into the cockpit side. I have, in fact, removed that bulkhead & built a frame replicating a stronger rib section around the vacant space.



Thanks for looking, guys! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on December 03, 2018, 07:07:39 am
Nice "busying up"  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 03, 2018, 07:28:34 am
Thanks, Chris! :thumbsup:

I've closed her up, now, &, of course, it's almost all invisible deep inside the fuselage. However, if the cockpit canopy remains clear enough when I fit it, the general "busy-ness" will be visible when you look through from the front - which was the general idea to begin with. <_<



BTW: Anyone who has seen the insides of a DAP Beaufighter will know that the heating pipework was not fitted to them because they operated in Australia & the tropics. This navalised version has them as the Navy can be required to operate its aircraft anywhere at short notice.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kitnut617 on December 03, 2018, 10:03:02 am
BTW: Anyone who has seen the insides of a DAP Beaufighter will know that the heating pipework was not fitted to them because they operated in Australia & the tropics.

Interesting comment Guy, a bit off topic but when my Dad came over for a visit in the 90's I took him to see the two Lancasters that are nearby (one in Calgary and the other in Nanton). He served in 617 Sqn from '44-46' so had some experience around Lancasters.  We were able to climb through the Nanton one starting at the rear side door and worked our way up to the front, then out the hatch that's under the nose. All the while my Dad would say as we worked our way forward, 'didn't have those' or 'that's an interesting bit of kit'  or 'those were further back' (or forward depending on what it was) and the interior heater the plane had came under close examination with a lot of comments about it. The Nanton Lancaster is a Mk.X BTW as is the Calgary example.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 09, 2018, 07:34:55 pm
Started working on the wing fold system ... This could take a while! :blink:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: philp on December 09, 2018, 07:39:52 pm
Know how you feel.  I am trying to do a navy F-84G in 72nd scale and still haven't decided what I want to do to the fold area.  The fact that it is a Hobby Boss kit and the wing is solid isn't helping anything.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 12, 2018, 10:57:53 pm
[sound of wind whistling by at high speed]

Old Wombat:     So far, so good!
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on December 13, 2018, 05:57:38 am
Good to hear  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 17, 2018, 04:40:32 pm
This is where I'm at with the wing folds.

Inner wing sections a couple of moves short of done. I have the connections for the outer wing hydraulics & electricals to fit & the tube support for the inner section of the hydraulic ram (the bit that holds the outer wing up when finished).

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-5TTKhfB/0/05ab89ec/XL/IMG_2046-XL.jpg)

Once they're done it's on to the outer wings.


Thanks for lookin'! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kerick on December 17, 2018, 10:35:59 pm
That looks great! I like the wire
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 18, 2018, 01:08:12 am
Thanks, kerick! :bow:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2018, 01:30:56 am
That looks very intricate indeed, even in 1/48!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on December 18, 2018, 06:15:43 am
Very impressive  :bow:

Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on December 18, 2018, 09:01:34 am
Thanks, Kit & Chris! :thumbsup:

I'm hoping it looks a bit better under paint but it does, to me, look reasonably like a simplified/primitive version of the Tracker wing fold that inspired it.

(http://www.grubbyfingersshop.com/walkaround_galleries/GRUMMAN_S-2_Tracker_Walkaround_N12-153582_Nowra_2014/content/bin/images/large/GRUMMAN_S-2_Tracker_Walkaround_N12-153582_Nowra_2014_03_GrubbyFingers.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 24, 2019, 03:35:47 am
Back onto this build. I hope to have it finished in time for the SA Scale Model Expo. :thumbsup:

Working on the outer wing elements of the wing-fold system. :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on September 24, 2019, 06:37:28 am
Glad to see you back at this  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 24, 2019, 10:28:59 am
Thanks, Chris! :thumbsup:

Already finished the outer wing-fold framework. :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 25, 2019, 03:44:55 am
For the back-seater's .50-cal, should I go with the lots-of-little-circles perforated cooling shroud or the fewer-slots-along-the-barrel perforated cooling shroud? :unsure:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on September 25, 2019, 04:03:08 am
I've always preferred the look of the circles.

Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 25, 2019, 05:27:59 am
Yeah, I'll probably go that way (although I prefer the look of the long-slot version) because all of the photo's I can find show that version. However, I found it interesting that the US Army manual on aerial fixed-mount & flexible-mount .50 cal's shows the long-slot version in its (photographic) illustrations. I'm guessing a standardisation on the circle-hole version some time in late-'42/early-'43.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: philp on September 25, 2019, 12:25:09 pm
From what I have seen the round air cooling holes were more common.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on September 26, 2019, 02:21:09 am
Long holes would allow greater air flow.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 26, 2019, 03:48:17 am
But would cost more to make I expect.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on September 26, 2019, 03:58:32 am
Maybe not.  The holes would prolly be punched out from flat sheet which would then be rolled into a tube and welded.

If only there was someone who used to work in the steel industry we could ask... :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on September 26, 2019, 06:06:02 am
Maybe not.  The holes would prolly be punched out from flat sheet which would then be rolled into a tube and welded.

If only there was someone who used to work in the steel industry we could ask... :o

That's steel fabrication though, not the actual production of the steel  :angel:

But yes that's the way I would assume they would be made, they don't need to take any stresses and strains, just help diffuse the heat.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 28, 2019, 02:05:51 am
Wing fold as is (I noticed a few things that need fixing when taking these photos);

Port side:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-6L3GhTM/0/e17f5765/XL/IMG_2116-XL.jpg)

Starboard side:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-LPSDnCx/0/c37a233a/XL/IMG_2117-XL.jpg)

Cheers! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 28, 2019, 02:10:09 am
Holey Moley, that's AMAZING!  ;D

Even if it is 1/48 the detail level is exceptional.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 28, 2019, 02:16:08 am
Yeah, not quite sykotik level but good enough for this (relatively) old f@rt. ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on September 28, 2019, 02:21:51 am
That's fantastic sir  :bow:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on September 28, 2019, 02:33:52 am
Nice detail.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 28, 2019, 05:47:56 am
Ta, lads! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 29, 2019, 06:11:41 am
For those following the debate, I've gone with personal preference & chosen the few-long-slots version of the .50-cal cooling shroud. ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 29, 2019, 08:43:18 am
I've just had one of those nasty little overlooked issues one sometimes finds jump up & bite my arse ... the .50cal is TOO BIG! :o

I'm putting together a .30cal but the ammunition in the aircraft is obviously too large.

Bugger! :banghead: Bugger! :banghead: Bugger! :banghead: Bugger! :banghead:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on September 30, 2019, 07:14:15 am
That's a pain mate. Is the ammo' really that much bigger or are you simply noticing it far more then any other viewer will because you know about the problem ?
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on September 30, 2019, 09:35:12 am
Unfortunately, Chris, .50cal ammo is about twice as long as .30cal ammo &, as the back-seater's hatch is going to be open it will be visible. :-\

Of course, my next big issue is that I don't have any 1/48 .30cal ammo. :rolleyes:

Ah, well, I'll figure something out. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on October 01, 2019, 06:29:55 am
Unfortunately, Chris, .50cal ammo is about twice as long as .30cal ammo &, as the back-seater's hatch is going to be open it will be visible. :-\

Of course, my next big issue is that I don't have any 1/48 .30cal ammo. :rolleyes:

Ah, well, I'll figure something out. :thumbsup:

Ah right  :-\

But as the song goes "always look on the bright side of life" , mainly because it's usually far better than the alternative  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 07, 2019, 06:04:24 am
Light blue & DSG added to the build today. :thumbsup:

She's moving forward but I'm not sure if it's fast enough to have her ready by Saturday, for the Expo. :-\
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 07, 2019, 09:01:56 am
Well, there ya go, 3rd camo colour on &, surprisingly, it looks good! :thumbsup:

Not perfect, mind, there are flaws to be fixed, but much, much better than I expected. :mellow:

I'll take a bit of time out to take a couple/few photo's tomorrow later today, after I've had a sleep. ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 07, 2019, 05:41:47 pm
As promised, photo's!

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-n8vcSGj/0/26f06e8d/XL/IMG_2118-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-3Pvxc39/0/e7c22138/XL/IMG_2119-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-3Pvxc39/0/e7c22138/XL/IMG_2119-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-5jrVShJ/0/7d1a4eeb/XL/IMG_2122-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-48Pw4S7/0/af957819/XL/IMG_2121-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/RAN-Sea-Beau/i-3kJrQKp/0/aa3ae4d6/XL/IMG_2123-XL.jpg)

A half decent look will expose the flaws but I'll be working on them today (&, hopefully, not ruining the work already done) before I gloss coat ready for the transfers which are "in the mail" & which should arrive tomorrow.

I'll, also, be working on the wheel bays, undercarriage, prop's, torpedo, etc, etc.


Thanks for being part of this! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on October 08, 2019, 06:15:37 am
She's looking good. The bits that "navalise" her are especially  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 08, 2019, 08:50:05 am
Thanks, Chris! :thumbsup:


She's starting to come together properly, now. She's even up on her legs, if not her feet (which are getting some modifications done to them tomorrow later today). ;D
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: chrisonord on October 08, 2019, 11:38:56 am
Marvellous stuff,  looking forward to seeing this  when it's  done
Chris
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 08, 2019, 04:06:27 pm
Thanks, other Chris! :thumbsup:


Whole buncha transfers (decals) arrived today! ;D

Unfortunately, gloss coating didn't happen as planned yesterday, so I'll have to get right onto that! ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: andrewj on October 09, 2019, 08:37:42 am
That looks great , can't wait to see her with the decals on
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 09, 2019, 09:07:48 am
Thanks, Andrew! :thumbsup:


She's on her feet, now, & decals are all on (what few there were).

Currently working on the prop's & tail-hook but that's going to stop soon, as it's after 0230hrs here & I need to go to bed.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 09, 2019, 10:11:04 am
Them hinge work mighty fancy!!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 10, 2019, 06:51:14 am
Them hinge work mighty fancy!!!  :thumbsup:

And has taken up 90% of my time on this build! :o


Just running Testors' Dullcote through my airbrush for the first time &, I must say, I'm impressed! :thumbsup:

Always knew it was good from the rattle can but it's just as good with my poor airbrushing technique, much better than the Tamiya rattle cans I've been using, both for coverage & not reacting with the paints it's covering.

If you can get it, I'd recommend using it!


Of course, it may just be that I'm half-stoned from the fumes but, well, that could be a bonus, too. ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 10, 2019, 10:57:43 pm
Well, unless a miracle happens, this is shelved for the duration or for all time.

What happened? Well, one of my usual end of build tricks - after removing all the tape & liquid mast from the clear bits, I test fitted the parts back on the model, then flipped the model over to do some work on a small fix-up job & "tink" something hit something. I'd removed the gunners canopy & the props, they were on the bench, but the pilots canopy is AWOL. I've all but torn the room apart (I've removed & checked the boxes & sweep the floor & under the bench supports), checked my clothing from last night, cleaned up the work bench ... Nothing!

I'm afraid the vinyl monster may have had it for a midnight snack. :banghead:

So, as it stands, if I find the canopy, I'll finish it, if I don't, it's spare parts sometime in the future. :-\


To say I'm f___ed off doesn't even come close to describing how I feel right now.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 11, 2019, 01:55:27 am
OK, f___cked-off-plus has been replaced by "I'll be buggered if this is going to beat me!" :angry:

I'm stealing the canopy cover from my other Tamiya Beaufighter. I'll be painting it up & fitting it tonight! Just try to gobble up this one, vinyl monster! :dalek:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on October 11, 2019, 01:55:30 am
I feel your pain mate.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 11, 2019, 03:36:57 am

OK, f___cked-off-plus has been replaced by "I'll be buggered if this is going to beat me!" :angry:

I'm stealing the canopy cover from my other Tamiya Beaufighter. I'll be painting it up & fitting it tonight! Just try to gobble up this one, vinyl monster! :dalek:


Yeah! Go for it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: rickshaw on October 11, 2019, 05:14:54 am
Been there, had that happen to me, got the t-shirt to prove it.  I feel your pain, mate.   I usually buy a fresh canopy off of EvilBay.   It is a pain when it happens.   :banghead:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on October 11, 2019, 06:18:00 am
It was going so well. I really do feel for you.

OK, f___cked-off-plus has been replaced by "I'll be buggered if this is going to beat me!" :angry:

I'm stealing the canopy cover from my other Tamiya Beaufighter. I'll be painting it up & fitting it tonight! Just try to gobble up this one, vinyl monster! :dalek:

Absolutely the right decision, this one needs to be finished. Worry about the second kit later when, hopefully, the canopy will have turned up  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 11, 2019, 07:46:21 am
I may just buy another Tamiya Mk.VI Beaufighter for what the one that just lost its canopy was to be for. ;D


The one I have may find itself sporting a rather fetching Soviet canopy from a MIG 21/SU-17 (not sure which but I know one of them came with two canopies standard). ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 11, 2019, 09:20:31 am
Well, she's done! :D

No time for pictures tonight - I have to go to bed so I can get up to go to the Expo ... which starts in just over 6 hours! :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: kitnut617 on October 11, 2019, 03:42:38 pm
I may just buy another Tamiya Mk.VI Beaufighter for what the one that just lost its canopy was to be for. ;D

Falcon Set No.40 has 1/48 Beaufighter canopies Guy ---
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on October 12, 2019, 02:28:44 am
Well, she's done! :D

No time for pictures tonight - I have to go to bed so I can get up to go to the Expo ... which starts in just over 6 hours! :o

Which is a 1/4 of a day  :angel: ;D Enjoy  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 12, 2019, 06:04:11 am
I may just buy another Tamiya Mk.VI Beaufighter for what the one that just lost its canopy was to be for. ;D

Falcon Set No.40 has 1/48 Beaufighter canopies Guy ---

What & deny myself the opportunity to build a silly-whif? :o

Replacement already bought today at the Expo. I've just arrived home, having volunteered to assist with the judging. Interesting learning experience which may help me chose which models to take to shows.

And I may just have influenced SAPMA to have a "Military What If ..." section next year. ;D

Downloading todays photo's to SmugMug, will have them linked either tonight or tomorrow.

PS: Here's the Sea Beau

(https://photos.smugmug.com/SAPMA-Expo-2019/i-bgGrp2B/0/a7edc103/XL/IMG_2207-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/SAPMA-Expo-2019/i-NgMwPsf/0/a68462fd/XL/IMG_2208-XL.jpg)

And I can tell you that none of my 3 builds placed. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 12, 2019, 07:41:44 am

And I can tell you that none of my 3 builds placed. :rolleyes:


Just proves none of the other judges know anything...………..
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 12, 2019, 08:33:03 am
If someone ain't nommed that for a whiffy by time I get back, I will.  :mellow: :mellow:



Expos......  Do y'all have two of them a year down there or something? I swear y'all just had one back in ... like... March or April.  Maybe I'm dreaming things.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: andrewj on October 13, 2019, 12:13:30 am
That just looks so right, absolutely brilliant.

Andrew
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on October 13, 2019, 01:46:09 am
Melbourne has the Australian Model Expo in June.  Adelaide has the South Australian Model Expo in October.
There are also other events in the less important states.
 ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 13, 2019, 02:01:50 am
Thank you all, gentlemen! :smiley:

In all honesty I never expected it to win &, after trying my hand at judging on Saturday night, I now know exactly why it didn't (& never will) win any prizes.

That doesn't worry me, though, as I built it to make me happy - which it did & is (especially hearing "experten" debating about whether or not the Beaufighter had ever been built with folding wings). ;D


Note: There will be a What If... category next year, as I have pledged to sponsor it (financially - my name will go on another category, Medium Scale Multi Prop's I think they said).
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on October 13, 2019, 03:30:45 am
...Note: There will be a What If... category next year, as I have pledged to sponsor it (financially - my name will go on another category, Medium Scale Multi Prop's I think they said).

Good job.   :thumbsup:
I hope I can get over so I can enter something.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on October 13, 2019, 06:33:28 am
The Beau is tremendous, well done mate   :bow:


Note: There will be a What If... category next year, as I have pledged to sponsor it (financially - my name will go on another category, Medium Scale Multi Prop's I think they said).

So your mission was successful Mr Bond ?  ;) ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 16, 2019, 02:16:39 am
So your mission was successful Mr Bond ?  ;) ;D :thumbsup:

Very much so! :wacko:

Good job.   :thumbsup:
I hope I can get over so I can enter something.

Thanks! So do I, otherwise it could be a one-man (two if rickshaw shows up) show. :-\

And I can tell you that none of my 3 builds placed. :rolleyes:
Just proves none of the other judges know anything...………..

No, it's just in a catch-all category for whatever doesn't fit elsewhere, so there's no real base to work from - I was competing with dinosaurs, figures, a grader, a cockpit & an exquisitely build Gnome-Le Rhône (I think) engine (which came in 1st place).



Anyway, thanks for all the positive vibes, guys! :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 16, 2019, 01:25:30 pm
Melbourne has the Australian Model Expo in June.  Adelaide has the South Australian Model Expo in October.
There are also other events in the less important states.
 ;)

Ha!  OK. I'm not losing my mind after all. Some day I'm going to mail someone a model to enter in one of these as it's pretty obvious I'm never going to be able to make it to one of these things; they may as well all be on Saturn for how much play we get in Oklahoma. We can can't even get a flippin checkers match to come here.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: philp on October 16, 2019, 04:26:48 pm
Nats is in San Marcos, TX next year and they do shows in Arlington all the time as well as Dallas.  Just a hop, skip and jump for you.
Heck, I will be driving from SLC next year.  Going to be a good show.

By the way, love the Beau.  Came out really nice in those markings.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 16, 2019, 05:12:09 pm
Don't I wish! That would be about a 20 hour commute under ideal conditions, not accounting for time spent at the show and the $400-500 spent on fuel, food, and lodging and multiple days spent off work. Then of course it would be nice to have a little spending money whilst there and a cushion of emergency money if I break down 500 miles from home. If I decide to spend more than a single day there, add in more money. I May as well plan a trip to Mars.  ;D
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: nighthunter on October 16, 2019, 07:05:30 pm
Oklahoma, where the wind goes whistling through your brain!  :wacko: ;D

I'll get my coat...
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: philp on October 16, 2019, 07:09:47 pm
Think I figured it as about 22 hours driving for me.  Got to stop at Four Corners and then go through Roswell.  Probably stop twice and drive the last couple hours in on Wednesday to get there when it opens.  Head back Sunday morning.  Probably will need 6-7 days off and the credit card will be a bit bruised when I get home but that is where the fun is.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 16, 2019, 07:23:03 pm
haha!!  Garth Brooks, from Oklahoma.....  had a song "Shameless" and my brother used to make fun of it singing "Brainless!!"  You ain't a BSin' though, Oklahoma is FULL of brain-dead morons.  ;D

Phil, you'll be driving through some beautiful country!

My problem is three-fold. I'm not adverse to taking long trips and stuff but my situation right now wouldn't tolerate it. I have a work situation where I can't take off from it more than two days MAX. My vehicle... all I have after the engine went in my little car is my work truck and I don't trust it to drive anywhere outside of the city. There's a weird front end alignment issue that requires the more "intensive" front end alignment. Ridiculous, I agree, but it's what it is. Thing is, as a result of the first problem, I haven't found time to do this because.... well, I need that damn thing. Lastly, I'm a caretake for my mother who is nearing 90 years old and she has no one else other than me to help her with things day to day and to be honest, I want to be around all the time as she has a history of falling over and not being able to get back up. (yes, just like the damn hoveround commercials.)  ;D  The stereotype is true.  :angel:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 17, 2019, 12:03:57 am
Thanks, Phil!  :bow:


Carry on, gentlemen! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: zenrat on October 17, 2019, 02:52:37 am
Posting models to a show could be a possibility.
I once posted a completed car build to Florida, had it entered in a show and then had it posted back to me.
We could do similar if we got our collective acts together.  Obviously some models are more conducive to being boxed up and posted than others (and the wise man's saying applies - if you can't drop kick it down a flight of stairs than you haven't packed it properly).
If I find I am able to make it over to the Adelaide expo next year then I am willing to take delivery of a number of international models to take with me.
We would just need to start getting organised well ahead of time.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: NARSES2 on October 17, 2019, 06:31:13 am
Think I figured it as about 22 hours driving for me. 

And there's me moaning about a 4 hour train trip to Telford
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 22, 2019, 08:45:55 am
PS: Here's the Sea Beau

(https://photos.smugmug.com/SAPMA-Expo-2019/i-bgGrp2B/0/a7edc103/XL/IMG_2207-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/SAPMA-Expo-2019/i-NgMwPsf/0/a68462fd/XL/IMG_2208-XL.jpg)

This is a superb model :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 22, 2019, 11:32:41 am
Posting models to a show could be a possibility.
I once posted a completed car build to Florida, had it entered in a show and then had it posted back to me.
We could do similar if we got our collective acts together.  Obviously some models are more conducive to being boxed up and posted than others (and the wise man's saying applies - if you can't drop kick it down a flight of stairs than you haven't packed it properly).
If I find I am able to make it over to the Adelaide expo next year then I am willing to take delivery of a number of international models to take with me.
We would just need to start getting organised well ahead of time.

Bravo.  I have a couple heartier things in mind. I'm down.
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 23, 2019, 06:50:01 am
Thanks, ysi_maniac! :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: chrisonord on October 25, 2019, 10:41:26 am
That's  a very nice  build  O.W, and well worth rhe time and effort  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 26, 2019, 07:00:06 am
Thank you both, Chris & Steve! :bow:


I haven't taken any closer shots because they'd show up too many of the errors. The hinges of the wing folds, in particular, are pretty dodgy but I do have a plan to fix them - just not now. ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2019, 08:03:19 am
If that's your idea of 'dodgy' I don't want to see a GOOD one of yours until I've had some notice and I'm sitting down!  :o
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: Old Wombat on October 26, 2019, 08:52:35 am
If that's your idea of 'dodgy' I don't want to see a GOOD one of yours until I've had some notice and I'm sitting down!  :o

If you look not-too-closely at the top picture, you'll see the whopping big gap between the rear hinge posts, almost all of them have that gap to some extent & it does need fixing, sometime in the future. ;)
Title: Re: 1/48 Sea Beau
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2019, 09:54:15 am
Oh yeah, I got out my zillion power electron microscope and took a look.

You're right, the gap is huge, must be at least 3 angstroms...……………..  ;D ;)