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GROUP BUILDS => The 2018 One Week Build => Topic started by: sandiego89 on June 08, 2018, 06:09:52 pm

Title: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on June 08, 2018, 06:09:52 pm
By 1944 as the Allied forces got closer and closer to the Japanese homeland, they began taking a pounding from Kamikaze and evening attacks.  It was anticipated that night attacks would worsen even more as the Allies prepared for operation Downfall- the actual invasion of the main Japanese islands.

A faster night fighter, with improved climb, but still with good long range capability was needed, but time constraints ruled out a clean sheet design.  Northrop responded with a mixed powerplant version of the P-61, with a turbojet in the rear fuselage pod of the Black Widow. The jet could be used for takeoff and intercepts, but was turned off for economical cruise, leaving the Black Widow with still impressive range and endurance.   The P-61J started test flying in late 1944, and several squadrons were in theatre by May, 1945.     

The Kit:  1/72 Old AMT/Frog P-61.  Scalemates site lists the FROG molds as 1965- do I get extra points for using an old FROG mold? 

The Plan:  Put a turbojet in the rear of the fuselage pod (Vampire style).   This was the former radar operators station, but with the deletion of the troublesome upper turret by many regular P-61 squadrons already, there had already been precedent of moving the radar operator up to the forward fuselage, freeing room in the rear of the center pod.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/ocNoy2.jpg)   

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/VA6AGc.jpg)

Comprehensive instructions  :o
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Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: Tophe on June 08, 2018, 10:19:56 pm
Wonderful project! :wub: Please make it actually! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 09, 2018, 10:18:39 am
I'm with this guy. ^   ;D
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: Tophe on June 09, 2018, 10:30:11 am
A few months ago, I made the drawing of a jet P-61 but not with a central jet like Vampire, which is nicely completing the family, thanks!
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-61_ac.jpg)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: sandiego89 on June 10, 2018, 07:21:57 am
Work started.  A basic kit (good for one week GB).  Lots of flash.  I think FROG/AMT used soap instead of styrene! One swipe with the sanding stick and you gouge out a canyon. 

Sea Fury for scale only.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/eYZVP9.jpg)   
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: Tophe on June 10, 2018, 07:40:51 am
Good! And with the black plastic there: no need of paint! (unless the jet will come from a grey kit...) :-\ ;D
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: dogsbody on June 11, 2018, 06:42:29 pm
I see AMT added an extra clear part to represent the turret. The original FROG kit didn't have a turret.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/35948246775_a2f2d5b761_b.jpg)



Chris
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: sandiego89 on June 12, 2018, 04:16:26 pm
I see AMT added an extra clear part to represent the turret. The original FROG kit didn't have a turret.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/35948246775_a2f2d5b761_b.jpg)



Chris

Interesting Chris, thank you for that.  The AMT boxing does indeed include the clear turret, but no guns. Interesting that AMT choose to do the turret in clear- perhaps cheaper and easier than colored styrene? A giant blob of clear sprue was also in the kit bag- I laid it out on the left wing for this picture.  I don't think it is part of the stand, but I have never seen this much excess in a kit.   Here is the turret on top of the "Gray Widow".  This is just a primer coat. I was worried about the poor quality of the plastic being able to take a coat of black. The AMT instructions do not even mention the turret (part 48). 

No sign of the FROG stand and circular mount as shown in your picture to display it in flight. 

So guess the AMT is not a total copy of the FROG. 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/uXBy0f.jpg)

Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: sandiego89 on June 14, 2018, 09:46:15 am
I told myself not to do anything extra for the one week GB, but the gaping holes in cockpit were just too much. The kit only comes with a simple partial floor under the pilot and gunner, a gunner seat and a half upper body for the pilot. No bulk heads, panels, cockpit sides. I won’t go crazy, but I had to do something as you could see right Through the open wheel well. 
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: sandiego89 on June 14, 2018, 03:56:13 pm
Need an intake for the J-31 booster jet

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/epO5ew.jpg)

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Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 14, 2018, 04:44:18 pm
Mighty ambitious!!

Go for the gusto!!!
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: Tophe on June 14, 2018, 07:49:10 pm
Good! Go on! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist
Post by: sandiego89 on June 16, 2018, 07:54:53 am
P-61J

Black Widow with jet assist, forward based in the Pacific, May 1945. 


(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/d7hNxN.jpg)

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(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/922/LBNOn1.jpg)
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: Tophe on June 16, 2018, 09:05:23 am
Very nice! :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 16, 2018, 09:11:59 am
That's fantastic! One of the coolest I've seen, for sure... and under a week!!!  :mellow: :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: dogsbody on June 16, 2018, 11:30:43 am
Looking good!

Actually, the AMT instructions do show the turret part. Look at the picture " comprehensive instructions " in your first posting. Right there, top centre.


Chris
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on June 16, 2018, 11:42:16 am
Looking good!

Actually, the AMT instructions do show the turret part. Look at the picture " comprehensive instructions " in your first posting. Right there, top centre.


Chris

Thank you all.  Yes Chris the instructions do show the drawing of the turret, I was just commenting that the turret is not mentioned in the step by step instructions as is every other piece.  Doubt the FROG technology of the time could not make injection parts that small.     
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: The Rat on June 16, 2018, 07:47:27 pm
Looks excellent!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: NARSES2 on June 17, 2018, 05:50:57 am
Looks excellent!  :thumbsup:

Does indeed
Title: Re: P-61 Black Widow- jet assist *finished*
Post by: zenrat on June 18, 2018, 03:27:49 am
Good job Dave.  Although i'm not sure about the pics where it appears to be diving into your runway...
 :mellow: