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GROUP BUILDS => The Cold War G.B. 2018 => Topic started by: sandiego89 on March 18, 2018, 11:33:13 am

Title: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on March 18, 2018, 11:33:13 am
With Soviet defenses improving, Strategic Air Command desired a follow on to the Fighter Conveyor (FICON) concept that had been employed by the GRB-36/RF-84 combination.  Much higher performance than achieved by the earlier concepts was needed. To extend their range the fighters would be carried by the launch aircraft, and three primary roles were specified: reconnaissance, nuclear strike, and fighter escort for the Bombers.

Making an existing fighter, or a purpose built fighter, fit partially into the bomb bay of the B-52 was deemed too expensive and unwieldy, but after some design work on the B-52 mother ship launchers for the X-15 program, it was soon determined that a F-104 could be fitted in a similar underwing fashion.  It was further determined that some of the same components being developed for the for the Hound-Dog missiles could also be used....

The kits:
1/72 Monogram B-52D
(x2) 1/72 Esci F-104

Has been in my mind for years- going to be a big one, wish me luck! 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/7ua58R.jpg)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: JayBee on March 18, 2018, 12:55:11 pm
I do indeed wish you luck with this one.
A rather wonderfull idea, but why only two 104's? OK one under each wing, maybe, and another in the belly like the B-36/XF-85 Goblin system.
Get on with it, I will watch this one with extreme interset.

Jim
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: kitnut617 on March 18, 2018, 03:32:06 pm
and another in the belly like the B-36/XF-85 Goblin system.
Jim

There is not enough room in the belly because the wing spar runs right above the bomb bay area. One of the reasons why the B-52 couldn't carry the Mk.17 fusion bomb without removing the bomb bay doors and then it was very tight.

https://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&biw=1334&bih=703&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=WeiuWr7WFNesjwP957CQAg&q=Mk.+17+nuclear+bomb&oq=Mk.+17+nuclear+bomb&gs_l=psy-ab.12...39391.41439.0.44243.6.6.0.0.0.0.178.884.0j6.6.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.5.739...0i7i30k1.0.gqui9LYeZno#imgrc=juHs2M0OaZjHrM:&spf=1521412231493
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: Snowtrooper on March 19, 2018, 03:44:32 am
This is going to be EPIC :mellow:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: nighthunter on March 19, 2018, 03:47:48 am
1/144 would've been a simpler scale choice, lol
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 19, 2018, 11:14:13 am
Brave choice indeed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: sandiego89 on March 19, 2018, 02:43:03 pm
Thanks everyone- off we go!

Must be a great kit, this guy just loves his!

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/WxgvRa.jpg)

Opening the box with anticipation.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/iQJlkj.jpg)

Ohh it is going to be big....

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/Ys4fme.jpg)

Yes, really big when the external tanks are Harrier GR.3 fuselage sized.  1/72 Harrier.   

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/2RyQtu.jpg)

Hmmm Kit, longer wings.....

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/8j9KJB.jpg)

Impressed with the kit- really crisp and nicely detailed.  Primer on.  I usually paint after some assembly, but think this one calls for some pre-painting. 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/Cvivsm.jpg)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: sandiego89 on March 19, 2018, 02:49:27 pm
1/144 would've been a simpler scale choice, lol

Indeed- but what's the fun in that!   :o

My very rough proof of concept in 1/144, with a very tired B-52H and a TF-104.

Engines 3&4 must have been hit by a SAM....

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/yQjtEL.jpg)

Plenty of room under the wing! 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/H1v1W4.jpg)

1/144 vs 1/72

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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 19, 2018, 03:37:38 pm
Is that the version with the 'Jet Engine Sound Module'?

If so you'll be fitting it of course, and maybe another one for the F-104 as well.  ;D

The wings are OK, but could do with another 6" or so added, on BOTH sides........  ;)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's
Post by: Captain Canada on March 19, 2018, 03:57:29 pm
1/144 would've been a simpler scale choice, lol

Or 350 lol.

Great idea ! Can't wait to see more.

 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: Snowtrooper on March 20, 2018, 03:49:46 am
I wonder what the pilot's state of mind is after a mission stuffed under the wing of the BUFF.  How many hours?
To make things more "interesting" for the pilot one could of course design a way for him to transfer from the crew cabin of the BUFF to the 104 in-flight... :wacko:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: loupgarou on March 20, 2018, 06:02:15 am
And, important, an heating system must be provided for the F-104 pilot, else he would be frosen solid.  :o
I remember having read something about this concerning the real FICON tests.
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 20, 2018, 10:08:57 am

And, important, an heating system must be provided for the F-104 pilot, else he would be frosen solid.  :o
I remember having read something about this concerning the real FICON tests.


On the production FICONs the RF-84F pilot stayed in the B-36 until it was time to launch, and then climbed down into the cockpit of the Thunderflash. I' m not sure that'd be possible with a wing mounted F-104.
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: loupgarou on March 20, 2018, 10:26:38 am

And, important, an heating system must be provided for the F-104 pilot, else he would be frosen solid.  :o
I remember having read something about this concerning the real FICON tests.


On the production FICONs the RF-84F pilot stayed in the B-36 until it was time to launch, and then climbed down into the cockpit of the Thunderflash. I' m not sure that'd be possible with a wing mounted F-104.

Iwas really thinking of earlier attempts: Earlier wingtip coupling experiments included Tip Tow, which were attempts at carrying fighters connected to the wingtips of bombers.

See here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FICON_project

In some magazine I had read more detailed reports that included the cold problem, with the fighter engine shut off.
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: sandiego89 on March 20, 2018, 02:33:59 pm
Don't worry folks, our intrepid 104 drivers will be supplied with heat and air-  worked for the X-15 and even the Hound Dogs could be topped off with fuel after they were used to assist with the B-52 take off. 

Forward basing, launch and egress routes were also carefully considered with the B-52/F-104 FICON program to minimize time in the cockpit and return profiles  :thumbsup:

No jet engine sound maker supplied with this one Kit- think that was only with the first pressings.  I will have to make my own jet engine sounds after Mrs.Sandiego89 goes to bed....
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: sandiego89 on March 20, 2018, 04:37:49 pm
Commenced with the paint job.  Going with the early SAC natural metal and anti-flash white on the undersurfaces.  Gray primer on the fuselage.  White on the undersides of the wing and the flaps.  Kit allows flaps to transition up or down.  Interesting that the B-52 only has an up or down flap setting- no intermediate flap. 

Of course something as simple as under-flash white turns up a staggering amount of variations when you start to look at examples in my references and on-line.  White under the fuselage only, white half way up the engine nacelles, full white nacelles with pylons natural metal, full white nacelles and pylons.....   :banghead:  And I am just scratching what "natural metal" means.  Like the B-36 there seems to be significant variations in schemes whn you dig a bit deeper. 

Again very impressed with the quality of the molds.  Nice kit so far. 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/5e46v0.jpg)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 21, 2018, 12:41:24 am
That kit was a revelation when it first came out, not only for its size. Everyone commented on the quality, but that was back when Monogram WAS Monogram.

Does it still have the three little lugs on the wings and fuselage to enable you to hang it up in the roof with lengths of string?
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: Ed S on March 21, 2018, 01:04:49 pm
Something I have seen with other builds of this kit. The big wings are quite heavy and can cause the back of the fuselage to split if it isn't well glued. I build one of these last year (RW) and after I glued the fuselage together and added the wings, I added epoxy to the wing joints and upper fuselage. I found one of the epoxy dispensers like a syringe with a long nozzle that mixes the epoxy as you squirt it in place. It worked.

Ed
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: sandiego89 on March 21, 2018, 02:08:01 pm
Something I have seen with other builds of this kit. The big wings are quite heavy and can cause the back of the fuselage to split if it isn't well glued. I build one of these last year (RW) and after I glued the fuselage together and added the wings, I added epoxy to the wing joints and upper fuselage. I found one of the epoxy dispensers like a syringe with a long nozzle that mixes the epoxy as you squirt it in place. It worked.

Ed

Thanks Ed, great tip! 

That kit was a revelation when it first came out, not only for its size. Everyone commented on the quality, but that was back when Monogram WAS Monogram.

Does it still have the three little lugs on the wings and fuselage to enable you to hang it up in the roof with lengths of string?

Yes, Kit, the mold still has the three lugs/eyelets and a circular piece so it can be hung for the ceiling.  Hmmm...... wonder if Mrs. Sandiego89 would notice...

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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 21, 2018, 03:48:45 pm

Yes, Kit, the mold still has the three lugs/eyelets and a circular piece so it can be hung for the ceiling.  Hmmm...... wonder if Mrs. Sandiego89 would notice...


Almost certainly.

The late Mrs_PR19 said about my newly purchased 1/72 B-36 some 30 odd years ago, 'Hmmmm, if you plan on hanging that up you better get some brighter light bulbs!'  ;D

I solved that problem by not actually building it...........................yet.  ;)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: KiwiZac on March 22, 2018, 12:28:34 pm
The late Mrs_PR19 said about my newly purchased 1/72 B-36 some 30 odd years ago, 'Hmmmm, if you plan on hanging that up you better get some brighter light bulbs!'  ;D
;D ;D Brilliant! Or not... :angel:

A 1/72 B-52 whif has to be good. I'm excited!
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: sandiego89 on April 15, 2018, 03:23:39 pm
Wow, the weather around here has been killing this bulid- high winds and cold making spray painting difficult.  Anyhow, finally got a chance to put some color down.

Natural aluminum for the main fuselage, anti-flash white undersides.

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Flap work. The kit has some great flaps that slide out and down. My second shade of natural aluminum turned out too dark.  Needs a respray.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/MfnEdr.jpg)

While the new paint dries, lets' take a look at the F-104's.  Decals very yellowed  :-\  Will try the putting in the window trick...

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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: The Rat on April 15, 2018, 07:29:31 pm
This is madness, sheer madness.

And I'm LOVING IT!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: loupgarou on April 16, 2018, 02:11:25 am
This is madness, sheer madness.

And I'm LOVING IT!  :thumbsup:

It was Napoleon or Nero that said:
"In madness lies greatness" ?
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: Old Wombat on April 16, 2018, 06:34:02 am
This is madness, sheer madness.

And I'm LOVING IT!  :thumbsup:

It was Napoleon or Nero that said:
"In madness lies greatness" ?

Yet, for either of them, the corollary "In greatness lies madness" held more truth. ;)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: sandiego89 on April 16, 2018, 02:09:40 pm
Thanks guys!

Re-sprayed the natural metal.  Used Rustoleum rattle cans from Home Depot aluminum (shiny), Nickel Matte (dull) and Testors Magnesium (dark on wings) for the three metal shades used on A-F model B-52's.  G and H models used some differing metals for their skins. Gloss White anti-flash undersides. LOTS of painters tape was sacrificed. 

Engine pods commenced. 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/F2NXMF.jpg)

Two seat Harrier for scale. 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/vJ0Mmh.jpg)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: kitnut617 on April 16, 2018, 03:42:29 pm
Lovely job on that paint work sandiego   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: Old Wombat on April 17, 2018, 12:20:50 am
LOTS of painters tape was sacrificed. 

Well worth it! Great job! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: zenrat on April 17, 2018, 02:29:23 am
"Beyond madness lies greater madness"

 :wacko:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: NARSES2 on April 17, 2018, 06:25:27 am
Lovely job on that paint work sandiego   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Very much so  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *work started*
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on April 17, 2018, 10:44:54 am
And, important, an heating system must be provided for the F-104 pilot, else he would be frosen solid.  :o
I remember having read something about this concerning the real FICON tests.

I would think the "easiest" solution would be to plumb a line from the B-52's environmental system though the pylon and into the F-104 system via a valve that closes after the F-104 engine start and it's system comes online. 
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *paint on*
Post by: sandiego89 on April 21, 2018, 11:10:28 am
The moment of truth....

Will the F-104's fit?

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They just make it!   

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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 21, 2018, 03:32:51 pm
Like a couple of manned Hound Dogs.  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: rickshaw on April 21, 2018, 06:29:59 pm
Not much margin for error there. Are they intended to re-attach in flight?  You might need a trapeze to make it work both on separation and re-attachment.   Something that is long enough to attach well below the slip-stream?   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: sandiego89 on April 21, 2018, 09:31:45 pm
Not much margin for error there. Are they intended to re-attach in flight?  You might need a trapeze to make it work both on separation and re-attachment.   Something that is long enough to attach well below the slip-stream?   :thumbsup:

Launch only.  The B-52- F-104/RF-104 FICON only allowed for carriage and launch, but an air-to-air refueling capability post launch was provided....And like the Hound Dog missile, the F-104 main engines could be used for take off and climb, and the fighter could be topped off from the mother ship tanks before they were launched. 

Exactly Kit- a manned Hound Dog. 
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: zenrat on April 22, 2018, 02:48:09 am
This is coming along nicely.  With this, and after your B36 Agribomber we'll have to crown you King of the Big Jobs.

Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: NARSES2 on April 23, 2018, 07:27:58 am
This is coming along nicely.  With this, and after your B36 Agribomber we'll have to crown you King of the Big Jobs.

In my part of the world that's not an epithet you'd want  :angel: Still I know what you mean and wholeheartedly agree  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: zenrat on April 24, 2018, 04:07:34 am
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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: sandiego89 on April 25, 2018, 07:28:17 pm
Fuselage coming together.  Neat set up for the main wheels. 

Bomb bay can open and close with some cleaver hinges built into the kit.  Sorry about the poor lighting. 

Left half.

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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *Fuselage together*
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 26, 2018, 09:01:04 am
Yes, that Monogram kit was well ahead of its time when it was produced. The engineering is magnificent, and not just because of its size either.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *The moment of truth*
Post by: JayBee on April 26, 2018, 11:16:58 am
This is coming along nicely.  With this, and after your B36 Agribomber we'll have to crown you King of the Big Jobs.

In my part of the world that's not an epithet you'd want  :angel: Still I know what you mean and wholeheartedly agree  :thumbsup:

Certainly not here in Scotland where if you were to call someone "King of the big Jobbies" you would be very, VERY, lucky to get away from there with your teeth still intact.
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *Fuselage together*
Post by: sandiego89 on April 28, 2018, 08:15:11 am
Need some work on the pylons.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/SM45ef.jpg)

I could just glue the F-104's on, but then I wouldn't be able to play...uhh.... I mean display my model in various configurations.  Will also allow other WHIFS to be mounted if desired. 

So I will use Magnets...

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Old Bobcat Harrier T-4 shell for testing.  If three magnets can hold this thick mold, the F-104s will be easy.

A few finishing nails glued to the top of the fuselage. Three magnets super-glued to the pylon. 

Weight test:

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Holds great! Firm, but allows de-mating.  Fairing will be built up to hide the magnets.       
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *Pylons*
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 28, 2018, 10:05:28 am
Hmm, I like that idea.  :thumbsup:

'Loading stores' with the same method would save them being snapped off in transit. My mate Pete has some MEGA-powerful magnets that are only 1 mm in dia., you can only JUST see them too...........  ;)
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *Pylons*
Post by: sandiego89 on April 28, 2018, 02:52:17 pm
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/cnQwt2.jpg)

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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *Pylons*
Post by: rickshaw on April 28, 2018, 06:41:43 pm
Lookin' good there, mate!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *Pylons*
Post by: zenrat on April 29, 2018, 04:27:32 am
Cool.
If you look for Rare Earth Magnets on evil bay then there is a plethora of shapes and sizes.
They would probably be strong enough to be mounted inside the Starfighter.
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *Pylons*
Post by: sandiego89 on May 06, 2018, 12:16:50 pm
Finished

GB-52E FICON with 2 F-104s.

The United States Air Force desired a follow-on to the GRB-36 and RF-86 Fighter Conveyor "FICON". Clearly more speed was required for both the mother ship and the fighters.  With the improved B-52's coming off the line, specifically those strengthened for the low altitude penetration role and to mount a Hound Dog missile under each wig, it was determined that a F-104C could be placed underwing in a similar fashion as planned for the X-15. The F-104s could make high speed dashes once launched from the mother ship. 

Three distinct roles for the F-104's were specified: Fighter escort for penetrating B-52's, Nuclear strike, and reconnaissance.

14 Seattle built B-52Es were modified for the FICON role and were officially designated as GB-52E's.  32 F-104C's were modified, with nine having special photo reconnaissance equipment in the nose.  Modification included further strengthening of the wing and pylon, "hotel" services for the F-104's including pressure, fuel air, heat, electrical services, lighting, a hose and drogue in the rear of the bomb bay to refuel the F-104s and a homing system.   Like with the Hound Dog, the F-104 engines could be used to augment the B-52 takeoff, and the fuel tanks topped after reaching cruising altitude.  The B-52's were home based at Castle AFB and the F-104s at the relatively close George AFB.  The group made regular detachments to RAF Mildenhall and Moron AB in Spain, and occasional deployments to Alaska.

Flights were routinely taken near Soviet airspace, and there were reports of several high speed penetrations into restricted airspace, but the groups official activities remain obscure even to this day....   

The Kits:

1/72 Monogram B-52.  Home printed decals to portray B-52E 57-0014
1/72 Esci F-104C (x2)

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Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: kitnut617 on May 06, 2018, 01:15:03 pm
Brilliant job on that sandiego    :thumbsup: :wub: :thumbsup: :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: JayBee on May 06, 2018, 01:17:55 pm
Brilliant, superlative, unbelievably imaginative, I love it. Well done Maestro.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 06, 2018, 02:05:27 pm
SUPER job!  :thumbsup:

And the NMF is perfect, lots of different shades, just like the real thing.
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Steel Penguin on May 06, 2018, 02:07:22 pm
a seriously good model  :thumbsup:   and really looks the part, and a fitting back story  :mellow:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: loupgarou on May 06, 2018, 02:46:11 pm
Terrific! A really impressive job.
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on May 06, 2018, 03:23:08 pm
Stunning build!
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: buzzbomb on May 06, 2018, 07:53:36 pm
Just Marvellous :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 07, 2018, 12:12:33 am
Literally great! Wow!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Snowtrooper on May 07, 2018, 12:36:03 am
Awesomeness redefined :mellow:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: zenrat on May 07, 2018, 03:08:35 am
Like I said Dave, King of the Big Jobs.

 ;D

 :bow:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 07, 2018, 03:10:08 am
Yebat!!!! 


Quite right to me, bud!!  Knocked that out of the park and I do love the finish on all that.  :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:   


Outstanding!!
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Doug K on May 07, 2018, 05:21:43 am
Wow! What a monster, brilliant!
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: NARSES2 on May 07, 2018, 06:21:32 am
That's absolutely splendid  :bow:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Old Wombat on May 07, 2018, 08:13:49 am
That's absolutely splendid  :bow:

+1 :bow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: b29r on May 08, 2018, 11:59:53 am
Dave, I'm just gobsmacked! :thumbsup: That is a marvelous build, and a great storyline, and you just wrestled the old girl into submission in a wonderful way.  If the seams gave you fits, the finished product sure doesn't show it. :thumbsup:

Fantastic!   :wub:

Best regards,
Kem
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on May 17, 2018, 05:19:17 pm
Thank you everyone!   A few of the underside to see how the F-104s fit. 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/kUlGF2.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/3mS3TN.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/ib3iy0.jpg)

Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 17, 2018, 09:19:45 pm
 :mellow: :mellow: :mellow: :lol:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: McColm on May 17, 2018, 10:22:40 pm
Wow!
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: jalles on May 18, 2018, 10:33:18 am
Yeah, that's pretty darn fantastic  :thumbsup: Love the anti-flash white and silver  :wub:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on May 19, 2018, 12:28:48 pm
Great idea and splendid work! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Stratos on June 06, 2018, 02:20:02 am
Amazing work!, If I understood correctly by reading the backstory, the idea was to refuel the F-104 until they can land on a friendly airport. Is that?
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on June 06, 2018, 05:08:55 am
Amazing work!, If I understood correctly by reading the backstory, the idea was to refuel the F-104 until they can land on a friendly airport. Is that?

Correct Syratos. Once the F-104s  were launched they could not hook back up to the B-52E launch ship, but the B-52 had a hose/drouge reel in the rear of the bomb bay to refuel the probe equipped fighters.
This refueling worked reasonably well for recon flights, and there were reports of the F-104s making brief, high sped penetrations of Soviet controlled airspace, but crews were less optimistic about making the rendezvous with the mother ship (or a sister ship B-52) if all out conflict broke out and they had to find their tanker in the heat if battle. Finding a suitable divert base in Europe, Iran, Turkey and other places was often part of the plan, and if all out nuclear war had happened the unspoken “head to the East of the Ural  mountains, punch out, and marry a local girl” plan common to other B-58 and Vulcan crews was always an option...
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: sandiego89 on June 16, 2018, 08:32:45 am
Wow, very humbled to take the GB honors for this.  Thank you so much for the encouragement and support. 

This monster is really tough to take pictures of. 

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/924/3K5bfm.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/YUAPPk.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/eBnmct.jpg)

Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: Weaver on June 16, 2018, 07:51:44 pm
Not surprised you won. It's the epitome of the 1960s Cold War: a mix of technical innovation and ridiculous risk-taking... ;) ;D

Congratulations!
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 16, 2018, 08:20:45 pm
Hell yeah, those are some righteous new shots.  :wub: :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: zenrat on June 16, 2018, 10:08:12 pm
Well done Dave.

King of the big jobs...
 ;D
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: kitnut617 on June 17, 2018, 04:36:12 am
You did a terrific job on it Dave   :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 17, 2018, 05:41:56 am
Well done Dave.

King of the big jobs...
 ;D

That's what I was thinking... to that end... let's get a picture of this together with the crop duster . . . . . .    :wacko: :wacko:
Title: Re: B-52 "FICON": B-52 carrying F-104's *finished*
Post by: zenrat on June 18, 2018, 03:30:26 am
You'll need a wide angle lens for that...