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GROUP BUILDS => The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B. => Topic started by: jalles on November 04, 2017, 03:54:32 pm

Title: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 04, 2017, 03:54:32 pm
I really couldn't decide what I wanted to do, even after browsing the rich inspiration thread in this group build.

I stumbled upon the AvPro Marauder concept and it really fits the bill, here are a couple pictures of it.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4568/38172939151_a65e619e37_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4474/37462642624_4514f1c0d3_b.jpg)

I don't know much about AvPro, from what I've read online they were anything from a think tank to a bunch of charlatans, but I think this concept is pretty cool.  It looks slightly different in each painting so mine will be a amalgam of what I like best, hopefully similar to the AEW&C one above, but without the radome.

I'd love to do a diorama like that first image, with the Marauder dropping off a group of special forces.  This is going to be entirely scratch built, so to be honest I'll be happy just to finish!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: kitnut617 on November 04, 2017, 04:31:29 pm
Now that looks like a project  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

But look at those F-35B's, I did my Sidetrack F-35 in those markings , sorry no photos but see here.

http://beyondthesprues.com/Forum/index.php?topic=4301.msg73253#msg73253
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 04, 2017, 04:43:52 pm

But look at those F-35B's, I did my Sidetrack F-35 in those markings , sorry no photos but see here.


Do you need to login?  I can't see the photos?
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: kitnut617 on November 04, 2017, 05:22:18 pm

But look at those F-35B's, I did my Sidetrack F-35 in those markings , sorry no photos but see here.


Do you need to login?  I can't see the photos?

Oops! sorry --- yes you have to be registered to see photos there.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Mossie on November 05, 2017, 01:37:22 am
This'll be good, I've always liked the Avpro concepts, especially the brutish looks of the Marauder.

Another pic:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/AvproMarauder.jpg)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Old Wombat on November 05, 2017, 01:41:53 am
This'll be good, I've always liked the Avpro concepts, especially the brutish looks of the Marauder.

Another pic:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/AvproMarauder.jpg)

How would it take off from or land on water with under-wing ordnance like that? :unsure:

It's a natural for the British propensity for over-wing pylons & ordnance., though. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2017, 04:49:48 am
All three versions seem to have totally different intake configurations, one has shock intakes like a Phantom, one has curved ones and one has stealthy intakes. Weird.  :o
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Old Wombat on November 05, 2017, 05:37:36 am
"Artists impressions", Kit, you can't trust 'em! ;)

All three seem to be slightly different in other ways, too. The rear of the AWACS one is completely different to the other two, while the front of the version disembarking the troops (I can't figure out if it's a dozen from the one plane or half-a-dozen from each plane) is similar to the AWACS version but the rear is similar to the RN fighter.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Mossie on November 05, 2017, 06:55:20 am
How would it take off from or land on water with under-wing ordnance like that? :unsure:

It's a natural for the British propensity for over-wing pylons & ordnance., though. :thumbsup:

I've just re-read the section on the Marauder in my copy of "Waplanes of the Future".  There were two main proposed versions, one that was capable of operating in ground effect and had the hull, another that was a conventional aircraft without the hull and wouldn't be capable of landing on water and this is the version you see with the ordnance.

Nearly all the artwork I've seen of the Marauder is different. I don't believe it was a concrete proposal.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Weaver on November 05, 2017, 01:26:18 pm
You could make something like that with:

1/48th F-19 (the rounded, pre-reveal one)
1/72nd F-111 canopy & cockpit
1/72nd Eurofighter or Gripen wings
2 x 1/72nd F-16 fins
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 05, 2017, 04:45:31 pm
Nearly all the artwork I've seen of the Marauder is different. I don't believe it was a concrete proposal.

Yeah, hopefully that will make my job easier, because I can just take the pieces I like best from each.  Mine clearly will be the production version  ;)

You could make something like that with:

1/48th F-19 (the rounded, pre-reveal one)
1/72nd F-111 canopy & cockpit
1/72nd Eurofighter or Gripen wings
2 x 1/72nd F-16 fins

I have an unbuilt 1/48th F-19 sitting on my desk and thought much the same thing.  Ultimately I wanted to see if I could just build it from scratch, make it it's own thing.  So on that topic, here is where it stands.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4461/24348210638_9fe11d7bc0_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4555/24348210438_629e8a1fd0_b.jpg)

Hmmm...hopefully in a couple months it will look like a Marauder  :-\
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Caveman on November 05, 2017, 04:50:55 pm
Looks like a lovely bit of workmanship so far
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on November 05, 2017, 05:10:47 pm
Looking at that profile it reminds me of the hull of the Airfix RAF Rescue Launch or MTB.

The whole thing has a decided Trigan Empire vibe to it.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Old Wombat on November 05, 2017, 07:00:03 pm
Looks like a lovely bit of workmanship so far

Absolutely! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2017, 09:08:11 pm
Looks like the sort of 'in build' pics I see in Model Boats magazine.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 06, 2017, 06:36:31 am
Nice start. My brother is a retired shipwright and would be very impressed with that hull  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 06, 2017, 07:21:52 am
Looks like the sort of 'in build' pics I see in Model Boats magazine.  :thumbsup:

Nice start. My brother is a retired shipwright and would be very impressed with that hull  :thumbsup:

Well, it is the flying boat group build, I just wanted to make sure I had the boat part covered  ;)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 11, 2017, 07:43:55 am
Frame filled in with apoxy sculpt and much sanding later.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4523/38279755496_f3fb3f6e28_b.jpg)

Primed

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4520/38279755026_732da8dd27_b.jpg)

Unfortunately it's really lumpy.  I knew I shouldn't sand all the way down to the styrene ribs but I did it anyway  :banghead: I think I need to coat the whole thing with a thin layer of apoxy sculpt and then sand again.

Here's the bottom before filling in with apoxy sculpt.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4567/38335126511_d77f4da8c0_b.jpg)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Old Wombat on November 12, 2017, 01:41:53 am
Good job! :thumbsup:

I like to work my Apoxie Sculpt before it hardens, using water & whatever tool I find appropriate for the job at hand. In the case of your hull I'd probably use a wet block of wood, used like a sanding block, to get the basic shape before it cures. Once cured I'd wet-&-dry it to get the final shape. Occasional fixes often involve using something different, like Tamiya white putty.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 12, 2017, 07:48:23 am
I like to work my Apoxie Sculpt before it hardens, using water & whatever tool I find appropriate for the job at hand. In the case of your hull I'd probably use a wet block of wood, used like a sanding block, to get the basic shape before it cures. Once cured I'd wet-&-dry it to get the final shape.

Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I do as well, although I use the Aves solvent instead of water to smooth everything out.  I also have a couple other sculpting tools I use as well.  The ribs mess with things a bit.  One, I want them completely covered so it's hard to determine just how think the material is over the ribs, two when smoothing the ribs mess with the flow of the apoxie sculpt so there are faint ridges as the material builds up behind the ribs.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Mossie on November 12, 2017, 10:18:39 am
Instead of scrap styrene, how about xps foam styrene, the kind you get for insulation at hardware stores?  You can cut, carve and sand it to shape, then use the Apoxy sculpt over the top and you shouldn't get as much lumpiness?

One sheet won't cost much and would probably last years.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 12, 2017, 10:40:27 am
Having faired full size boats, new-build and repaired wooden boats, and fibreglass boats - hull repairs,
I recommend using a batten to check the surface as you sand, also a long-skinny fairing block is better
than a square or low aspect ratio rectangular block.

Fairing longboards used in boatbuilding/repair:
(http://images.jamestowndistributors.com/woeimages/abrasives/3m/250_250/3m-11803.jpg)

http://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Final-Fairing-and-Finishing.pdf

Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 18, 2017, 07:10:55 am
Not a whole lot of progress to show.  Here's the frame for the engine nacelles.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4556/24628888508_c49982b445_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4537/24628888068_b0e6c772d4_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4544/24628887608_914269fcbf_b.jpg)

This has since been filled with apoxie sculpt and received some PSR.  I'm going to build one nacelle and then vacuform two copies, mostly because I've lazy.  The top and bottom bucks/molds are close to finished, just doing some fine tuning.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Caveman on November 20, 2017, 05:17:53 am
Love watching this level of engineering in models  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 20, 2017, 07:04:01 am
Love watching this level of engineering in models  :thumbsup:

Me to
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 21, 2017, 06:23:34 am
Love watching this level of engineering in models  :thumbsup:

Me to

Thanks gents!

Work continues, here is the bottom portion.  I tried to make it a little more boat like than my references show.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4545/37845522144_11f64a7aa9_b.jpg)

Here's the engine nacelle.  Slightly more stealthy than some of the artwork of the Marauder.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4577/38562396241_b423e25ae4_b.jpg)

While I'm sure neither of these pieces are completely symmetrical, I'm calling them good enough.

Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 21, 2017, 12:45:51 pm
They'd look good in an article on high speed model boat hulls!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on November 22, 2017, 02:14:30 am
Symmetry is over-rated.  Just ask Tophe.
 ;D
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: ericr on November 22, 2017, 12:15:44 pm
Symmetry is over-rated.  Just ask Tophe.
 ;D

 :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: KiwiZac on November 23, 2017, 11:47:49 am
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4568/38172939151_a65e619e37_b.jpg)
This one is what made me fall in love with the Marauder. I want one so bad, but not bad enough to do what you're doing!

Nearly all the artwork I've seen of the Marauder is different. I don't believe it was a concrete proposal.
Spot on. I don't think they ever built a single aircraft (of any type they proposed, not just the Marauder) or even a mockup.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 23, 2017, 01:01:36 pm
This one is what made me fall in love with the Marauder.

Yeah, me too.  Unfortunately mine isn't going to turn out that cool.  I thought the drawings I was basing my build on were from an AvPro CD, but apparently they're from a fan and I don't think they're accurate.  My Marauder is going to be too narrow :banghead: but at this point I don't feel like starting over so I'm keeping it as is.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: strobez on November 24, 2017, 11:22:59 pm
I immediately move that jallesí Marauder be disqualified and removed from the competitive aspect of this GB on the grounds that it is grossly inaccurate!

<heh, heh, heh... that ought to thin the field considerably...   :wacko:>
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 25, 2017, 10:48:25 am
This one is what made me fall in love with the Marauder.

Yeah, me too.  Unfortunately mine isn't going to turn out that cool.  I thought the drawings I was basing my build on were from an AvPro CD, but apparently they're from a fan and I don't think they're accurate.  My Marauder is going to be too narrow :banghead: but at this point I don't feel like starting over so I'm keeping it as is.

As the real thing was vapourware, and had numerous variations, I don't beleive there is such a thing
as accuracy with the subject.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on November 25, 2017, 11:33:09 am
I immediately move that jallesí Marauder be disqualified and removed from the competitive aspect of this GB on the grounds that it is grossly inaccurate!

I guess I'll have to go with plan B, a 1/32 Blohm & Voss BV 222 powered by 12 Jumo 004s  :angry:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 25, 2017, 01:41:47 pm
HEhehehhehe  ^^^^




Lookin good so far! Pretty choice work, if I say so......
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 25, 2017, 01:53:36 pm
I immediately move that jallesí Marauder be disqualified and removed from the competitive aspect of this GB on the grounds that it is grossly inaccurate!

I guess I'll have to go with plan B, a 1/32 Blohm & Voss BV 222 powered by 12 Jumo 004s  :angry:

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ;D ;D
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: strobez on November 25, 2017, 03:17:31 pm
Heh, well it was worth a shot...  :mellow:

Althouh I have to say, Plan B has a certain panache to it... ;)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on December 23, 2017, 09:35:21 am
Despite working a fair bit on the Marauder, I don't have much to show for it.

The engine nacelles are coming together. I used putty to fill in the interior.  I'm still not sure if I'll fit compressors faces in them since they can't really be seen down the intake without a flashlight.  The one on the right has been shaped to fit onto the fuselage (notice the notches in the front).

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4737/24380751287_7ebde5fb11_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4646/38535304934_5ba97d0eb5_b.jpg)

Here's how it will integrate onto the top of the fuselage, there's going to be a lot of PSR to do.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4686/24380750547_510fd01f02_b.jpg)

Finally, the cockpit is slowly shaping up.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4685/38535304084_0f12c67e27_b.jpg)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 23, 2017, 10:54:11 am
That's looking pretty darned amazing.  :o :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on December 23, 2017, 02:37:50 pm
Thanks Kit! I'm really hoping it comes together.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: DogfighterZen on December 24, 2017, 02:42:52 am
That's looking pretty darned amazing.  :o :thumbsup:

Second that!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 24, 2017, 04:00:13 am
That's looking pretty darned amazing.  :o :thumbsup:

Second that!! :thumbsup:

Third it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: 63cpe on December 24, 2017, 05:21:48 am
Quote
Quote from: DogfighterZen on Today at 02:42:52 am
Quote from: PR19_Kit on Yesterday at 10:54:11 am
That's looking pretty darned amazing.  :o :thumbsup:

Second that!! :thumbsup:

Third it  :thumbsup:

Fourth that!  :wub:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on January 06, 2018, 03:07:48 pm
A little more progress.

The cockpit has been painted. The closeups certainly highlight all of the flaws, I think it looks better in person.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4601/39515234312_456797c56c_b.jpg)

There's a custom decal in there for the cockpit displays.  I found a picture of the the Eduard F-15E photo-etch set on the internet.  I cut it up in Photoshop and rearranged it in Illustrator.  Then I printed it out on decal sheet, flat coated it and applied it to the cockpit. I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4726/39515234242_d08795b4c4_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4593/39515234162_6d25265df8_b.jpg)

It's now glued into the top half of the fuselage, but no pics yet.

Here's the bottom, mostly finished with the landing gear wells installed.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4684/39515234042_bf664b049d_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4691/39515233732_f6a79ffd08_b.jpg)

A lot of work yet to do.  Hopefully I'll seal up the fuselage and install the engine nacelles tomorrow.

Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Caveman on January 07, 2018, 01:16:45 am
Thatís amazing! And scratch built. More superlatives required!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 07, 2018, 02:08:06 am

 The closeups certainly highlight all of the flaws, I think it looks better in person.


Which flaws would those be then? I certainly don't notice any.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: kitnut617 on January 07, 2018, 05:20:04 am
Fantastic stuff jalles  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

For the figures, did you use the F-82 crew, they look very familiar except it looks like you used a different head for the pilot
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Old Wombat on January 07, 2018, 07:54:48 am

 The closeups certainly highlight all of the flaws, I think it looks better in person.


Which flaws would those be then? I certainly don't notice any.

Nor do I.


Nice work! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on January 07, 2018, 08:11:51 am
Thanks for the kind words guys  :thumbsup:

Which flaws would those be then? I certainly don't notice any.

Nor do I.

Ha, ha! Thanks guys.  It's funny, I think as it's my build I "see" all these little things that aren't quite right.  But I'm glad other people aren't as nit-picky as I am when I look at my work.   ;D

For the figures, did you use the F-82 crew, they look very familiar except it looks like you used a different head for the pilot

I know the one pilot with his head turned is from a Hasagawa accessories set.  The other guy I have no clue, maybe from an F-82 kit. It was in my spares/parts tub.  He did have a large protrusion on his back I had to hack off.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on January 08, 2018, 03:04:45 am
The guy looking to the left is from the Hasegawa US Pilots & Ground Crew set.  That's the one that comes with the crew van.
The same guy is taxiing my JASDF Lightning.

We all see the flaws others overlook because we have been concentrating so closely on building the things.  Put it away for a while, come back to it and you'll see completely different ones... ;D
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on January 08, 2018, 07:02:49 am
I do like those crew figures  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: TheChronicOne on January 09, 2018, 03:45:27 pm
Oooh yeah!! Me likey. That's some good looking cockpit details and Lil Homies!   (pilots.. heheh)   ;D
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on January 13, 2018, 11:51:15 am
I finally have the fuselage sealed up and the engine nacelles attached and PSRed.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4743/27893013359_3ac449dd1c_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4745/38962464694_944b88e878_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4612/39671711531_c45a4a9d5e_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4710/27893014249_7e155a986a_b.jpg)

There's some minor touchup (PSR) to do but I'm pretty happy with it.

Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Steel Penguin on January 13, 2018, 12:00:23 pm
looks good just like that  :thumbsup:.  its going to be an absolute stormer of a model when you finish.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 13, 2018, 03:36:43 pm
Are you sure that's not an R/C racing powerboat?
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Old Wombat on January 14, 2018, 02:11:44 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on January 14, 2018, 02:53:02 am
The air to ground exacto knife is a fearsome weapon guaranteed to penetrate any hull...

Looking good.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 14, 2018, 03:27:07 am

The air to ground exacto knife is a fearsome weapon guaranteed to penetrate any hull...


Or toe............ (to steal your line 'Don't ask me how I know this')
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on January 14, 2018, 03:31:50 am
 ;D
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 14, 2018, 07:43:59 am
Looking great, can't wait to see that finished. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: loupgarou on January 14, 2018, 01:24:53 pm
The air to ground exacto knife is a fearsome weapon guaranteed to penetrate any hull...

Looking good.

 :thumbsup:

You made me remember one of the first scenes in Young Frankenstein, when Gene Wilder stabs himself in an anatomy lesson...  ;D
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on January 15, 2018, 03:11:21 am
The air to ground exacto knife is a fearsome weapon guaranteed to penetrate any hull...

Looking good.

 :thumbsup:

You made me remember one of the first scenes in Young Frankenstein, when Gene Wilder stabs himself in an anatomy lesson...  ;D

One of my favourite films  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on January 15, 2018, 07:21:19 am
Some more progress, and proof I'm not just building a boat!

Wings and horizontal stabilizers pinned on:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4660/39675234092_a5d38d0f29_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4741/38997401104_5d79aaa8cb_b.jpg)

On to getting the wingtip floats pinned on as well.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Caveman on January 15, 2018, 07:22:39 am
 :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 15, 2018, 10:37:12 am
Looking great! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Mossie on January 15, 2018, 11:38:49 am
Well on it's way, can't wait to see the masking come off.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on January 16, 2018, 02:04:48 am
 :bow:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jsport on January 22, 2018, 03:06:42 pm
absolutely awesome idea and work so far. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: TheChronicOne on January 22, 2018, 07:00:35 pm
Glorious!!!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on January 23, 2018, 06:00:43 am
Thanks guys!

There hasn't been much noticeable progress, the wings have been glued on and I'm doing some PSR to get them blended in.  I think I have a good cockpit mask as well.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 03, 2018, 06:57:21 am
What a neat looking machine ! Great job
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on February 04, 2018, 01:27:24 pm
I've been spending most of my time scribing panel line, and I'm finally finished!  It's now primed and ready to paint.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4767/39374523994_28a48b2855_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4616/28305052089_7b0c99868c_b.jpg)

So now I need to figure our how I'm going to paint it.  Here's my current ideas:

(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/0665269.jpg)

Or this:

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7279/6977673568_99e623583c_b.jpg)

Or this:

(http://www.jetartaviation.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/XZ132_C_HarrierGR3_4Sqn_hoelscher.jpg)

Or this:

(http://nationalinterest.org/files/styles/main_image_on_posts/public/main_images/morning_sortie_15549053280.jpg?itok=TpomEfM4)

Anyone know Tamiya colors for any of these schemes?

Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 04, 2018, 04:22:21 pm
That's looking amazing.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Gondor on February 04, 2018, 10:29:19 pm
It looks like a CAD models in the last two pictures

Gondor
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Thorvic on February 05, 2018, 12:23:44 am
Excellent Work, superb scratch building work  :mellow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 05, 2018, 12:46:39 am
That's looking VERY good.  :thumbsup:

And what about...?

(https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/73280_1510544308.jpg)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 05, 2018, 01:28:09 am
Wonderful  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on February 05, 2018, 03:30:14 am
You've put so much effort into it that it deserves something other than a "meh" grey paint job.

So I vote either the Harrier with the colourful fin or the Japanese one.
Or...
(https://www.hasegawausa.com/product-images/hsgs1911as01m-lg.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/55/3c/b6/553cb6fdf5abe013de08e606a5ee30c6.jpg)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: kitnut617 on February 05, 2018, 05:14:34 am
Excellent Work, superb scratch building work  :mellow: :thumbsup:

I've got to agree, it's scratch-building at it's best  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Steel Penguin on February 05, 2018, 11:45:49 am
harrier option 3 please !!

but aside form personal preference
Its a cracking Job so far, keep it up, and it will look amazing   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on February 05, 2018, 02:18:52 pm
Thanks for the kind words guys!

I really like Dizzy’s suggestion of the F-2 paint scheme, the only problem is it looks so “Japanese” and I’d like the Marauder to be British.  That being said, if I had some Japanese decals I’d seriously consider painting it like the F-2.  Right now I’m leaning toward the grey/green Harrier GR3 scheme, but considering it’s a maritime strike fighter I find the green a little out of place. 

I also really like that Japanese aggressor scheme, but I feel that splinter/hard edge schemes look too Russian.  Hmmmm…still can’t decide  :banghead:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: sandiego89 on February 05, 2018, 03:04:28 pm
Really impressive!  Great work.  I vote for a camouflage version for special operations work, like the very first rendering.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Hobbes on February 06, 2018, 01:11:08 am
and the older Harrier scheme of Extra Dark Sea Gray over white?

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f_TiAqdkqU4/TUhpU2e9uAI/AAAAAAAABi8/KJgzrBAt2g0/s1600/BAe+Sea+Harrier+FRS1+of+899+Squadron+at+Yeovilton+Naval+Air+Station+1982.jpg)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Thorvic on February 06, 2018, 04:08:34 am
The AW159 Wildcat currently sport a Medium Sea Grey/Dark Sea Grey disruptive camouflage scheme which might be suitable. Otherwise if it's 80's post 82 its overall Dark Sea Grey for the RN with Blue/Red tactical markings and black lettering or 90s onwards its Medium Sea Grey with the Pale Blue/Pink low vis roundels and white lettering.

The Avrpo artwork is probably Dark Sea grey era
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on February 06, 2018, 09:11:38 am
The AW159 Wildcat currently sport a Medium Sea Grey/Dark Sea Grey disruptive camouflage scheme which might be suitable.

(http://www.vanwageningen.net/i/upload/2016/07/29/20160729194201-665d6deb-me.jpg)

Yeah, I like that.  It's grey, so maybe a little boring, but at least it's not solid grey. It's modern, British, and I have suitable decals.  Hmmm...
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on February 13, 2018, 07:15:50 pm
Well I'm on the west coast of the United States so I made it with hours to spare  :mellow:

Although like Tophe, I was a little caught off guard because I actually thought I had all of the 14th left to work on this.

Regardless I got it done and I'm pretty darn happy with it.  Like all projects is has it's flaws but this by far the hardest thing I ever scratch built and the end result looks suspiciously like a Marauder.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4698/26383218178_c30f9861e0_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4660/25384758087_cd712aba76_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4755/26383217958_108c319a12_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4653/25384757137_22c9e5b6ce_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4713/26383217338_878927573d_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4616/25384756967_a1d3bcdd69_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4620/26383217278_a92d393717_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4603/25384756777_a4127b7164_b.jpg)

Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 13, 2018, 07:34:42 pm
No words other than: EXCELLENT!!   :bow:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 13, 2018, 08:13:19 pm
Hell yeah!! That's the stuff right there!  It's 10 things at once, all done well.  :drink: :drink: :cheers:   :mellow:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Gondor on February 13, 2018, 10:35:33 pm
Fantastic!  :wub: :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 13, 2018, 11:44:06 pm
That's OUTSTANDING! One of the best pieces of work I've ever seen on here.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: loupgarou on February 14, 2018, 12:34:32 am
Wonderful and amazing!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on February 14, 2018, 12:57:31 am
In the words of Wayne & Garth, we're not worthy.
 :bow: :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: kitnut617 on February 14, 2018, 02:43:35 am
That's OUTSTANDING! One of the best pieces of work I've ever seen on here.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

+1

Truly an amazing job you've done there. just love it  :wub: :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 14, 2018, 02:55:25 am
Oh WOW, that is just fantastic  :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: AXU on February 14, 2018, 03:29:10 am
Just great !!! :thumbsup: :wub:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Thorvic on February 14, 2018, 04:13:54 am
Outstanding work, brilliant scratch build and it does look like a Maurader  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Martin H on February 14, 2018, 06:04:27 am
In the words of Wayne & Garth, we're not worthy.
 :bow: :bow: :bow:
I wish to be associated with the above comments.........................................
Stunning bit of work.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Rheged on February 14, 2018, 06:25:37 am
In the words of Wayne & Garth, we're not worthy.
 :bow: :bow: :bow:
I wish to be associated with the above comments.........................................
Stunning bit of work.

So it's unanimous.....we all think it's superb!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Old Wombat on February 14, 2018, 06:43:02 am
What everyone before me has said. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on February 14, 2018, 07:23:09 am
Thanks a bunch guys!  I'm glad you like it  :thumbsup:  It certainly wasn't the easiest thing I ever built so I'm happy others can appreciate it!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Steel Penguin on February 14, 2018, 11:12:51 am
I wish to concur with the above gentle-sophonants 
that is wonderful  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: sandiego89 on February 14, 2018, 01:59:09 pm
Epic Jalles!  Well done.  Bold concept and executed perfectly! 
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Snowtrooper on February 14, 2018, 03:15:13 pm
Incredible, one would never believe it's a scratchbuild. Love the idea to make it fully amphibious, also making it a true stealth aircraft with those jagged-edge bay doors is a nice touch.

It's getting harder and harder to pick a winner in this contest...
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: CammNut on February 14, 2018, 03:26:48 pm
Extraordinary. Just to pick out one of your many achievements with this, the scribing just blows me away - not just the technique, but the realism of the pattern of panel lines
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Mossie on February 14, 2018, 11:01:10 pm
Wonderful job and a very professional finish! :wub: :wub: :wub:

The next jalles build can't come quick enough for me! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: dwomby on February 15, 2018, 03:31:38 am
Utterly amazing.

David
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on February 15, 2018, 04:36:11 pm
I am lost in admiration - superb in every way! :bow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Weaver on March 04, 2018, 09:33:39 pm
Can I ask a question please Jalles? How did you do the canopy?

I've been going through the thread, but there's nothing between it being a solid lump of plastic and putty and suddenly having a lovely clear canopy.... :unsure:

It's a gorgeous model - well done!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on March 05, 2018, 09:28:17 am
Hey Weaver,

So that solid lump of plastic and putty was just the mold or buck for vacu-forming.  Here's a pic of the the vac-formed piece:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4686/24380750547_510fd01f02_b.jpg)

It's primed so it looks grey, but that whole piece is actually clear.  The portion that's blue aft of the cockpit is blue painters tape on the underside. There was a small circular depression that I was trying to smooth out and I sanded trough the primer and it was clear again so you could see the painters tape underneath.

Then I just masked off where I wanted the canopy to be, as you can see in the pic above I had that part of the model roughly masked off just so it wouldn't get scratched during the build process.

If that doesn't explain it let me know, I can probably take a few pics of left over pieces to make it more clear.

Cheers,

Jason
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 05, 2018, 09:37:09 am
You moulded the ENTIRE top of the model in clear plastic?  :o

RESPECT!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on March 05, 2018, 09:42:25 am
You moulded the ENTIRE top of the model in clear plastic?  :o

RESPECT!

Ha, ha! It was just laziness because I thought it would be more difficult to try to PSR a clear canopy into the flowing lines of the cockpit area.  This way there are no seams to fill for the clear section.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 05, 2018, 09:49:31 am
No, it was SKILL!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on March 05, 2018, 02:34:47 pm
Such an obvious and simple way of doing it (like all the best ideas) that it didn't occur to me.
 :banghead:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Weaver on March 05, 2018, 10:22:31 pm
Hey Weaver,

So that solid lump of plastic and putty was just the mold or buck for vacu-forming.  Here's a pic of the the vac-formed piece:

It's primed so it looks grey, but that whole piece is actually clear.

Ah, right: I missed  the vac-forming bit. Obvious way to do it with hindsight: same principle as those vehicle or helicopter kits where the whole cab is clear and you paint over the solid bits.

Since you have molds for the whole thing, you might well be able to sell a few copies of the vac forms, hypothetically speaking... ;)

Do you mind if I put some pics up on Twitter (with full credit to you of course?) I talk to a bunch of modellers on there and they'll be highly interested.

Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Nick on March 06, 2018, 03:35:27 am
Absolutely incredible, well done!  :wub:

Perhaps you could drop the next one into a mould or laser scan it for 3D printing?
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: TheChronicOne on March 06, 2018, 08:12:31 am
HMMMMM...  yeah.... Go into business, bud!!! Get that money!!!   And... I'd buy something.  :mellow:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on March 06, 2018, 09:08:50 am

Since you have molds for the whole thing, you might well be able to sell a few copies of the vac forms, hypothetically speaking... ;)


Ha, Iím not sure if Iíd want to put anyone through the process of building one of these, at least without signing a waiver that resolves me of responsibility for any adverse impact to their mental health.

That being said, if you (or someone you know) really wants to put themselves through the mental anguish Iíd be happy to facilitate such misery.  ;)


Do you mind if I put some pics up on Twitter (with full credit to you of course?) I talk to a bunch of modellers on there and they'll be highly interested.


Go right ahead, I think that would be great!  :thumbsup:

Perhaps you could drop the next one into a mould or laser scan it for 3D printing?

You know, my brother-in-law has a 3D printer that I was going to use to make the molds, but alas it wasnít working so I had to make them the old fashion way.  :angry:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: sandiego89 on March 06, 2018, 02:23:38 pm
So what is your method of vac forming?  Old mattel toy kit or something more modern? 

Great build. 
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on March 06, 2018, 07:07:03 pm
So what is your method of vac forming?  Old mattel toy kit or something more modern? 

It's something I bought through a magazine advertisement pre-internet (or very early internet at least).

Here's a pic:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4743/25793848217_b57a6b1542_b.jpg)

It's essentially a wooden box with a bunch of holes in it.  You put the plastic sheet in the metal holder with the clips, heat it in the oven and plug your household vacuum in the side.  It's pretty basic but works well.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on March 07, 2018, 12:55:03 am
I do remember seeing adverts for those or something very similar many years ago. I also swear I saw one being demonstrated somewhere once ? Maybe at a Model Engineers Exhibition in London ?
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 07, 2018, 01:01:57 am

I do remember seeing adverts for those or something very similar many years ago. I also swear I saw one being demonstrated somewhere once ? Maybe at a Model Engineers Exhibition in London ?


That's for sure. When I helped out on the Riko stand at the ME Show in the 70s-80s there was a firm across the way selling those. They were a bit like Proops, one of those 'We sell every tool you ever need' traders. I wish I'd bought one then!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: NARSES2 on March 07, 2018, 01:11:08 am
Ah, that timeline fits for when I was a regular attender at the show Kit
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: zenrat on March 07, 2018, 01:20:36 am
Wouldn't be too difficult to make.  Although drilling all those holes would be a PitA.
Getting the fitting for the vacuum cleaner might be tricky.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Weaver on March 07, 2018, 03:52:21 am

Since you have molds for the whole thing, you might well be able to sell a few copies of the vac forms, hypothetically speaking... ;)


Ha, Iím not sure if Iíd want to put anyone through the process of building one of these, at least without signing a waiver that resolves me of responsibility for any adverse impact to their mental health.

That being said, if you (or someone you know) really wants to put themselves through the mental anguish Iíd be happy to facilitate such misery.  ;)


Do you mind if I put some pics up on Twitter (with full credit to you of course?) I talk to a bunch of modellers on there and they'll be highly interested.


Go right ahead, I think that would be great!  :thumbsup:

Thanks, but I haven't even slightly got the skills to put any sort of vac-form together.

I've put the pics up. I'll let you know of any interesting/amusing replies.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: sandiego89 on March 07, 2018, 09:14:04 am
Thank you for posting your vac-u-form picture. I do recal those.  I wonder what Mrs. sandiego89 would think about me putting a strange box in the oven and hooking up the vacuum....
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 07, 2018, 09:19:52 am

Thank you for posting your vac-u-form picture. I do recal those.  I wonder what Mrs. sandiego89 would think about me putting a strange box in the oven and hooking up the vacuum....


Just a matter of negotiation, persuasion and blatant bribery. That should sort it.   ;D ;)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on March 07, 2018, 10:20:13 am
I wonder what Mrs. sandiego89 would think about me putting a strange box in the oven and hooking up the vacuum....

Sorry, I didn't explain that very well.  You only put the metal frame with the clips (and your plastic sandwiched in between) in the oven.  The box stays outside the oven.  When you see the plastic sag in the middle, you rapidly remove it from the oven and almost simultaneously place it on the box and start the vacuum.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: loupgarou on March 07, 2018, 10:35:33 am
Wouldn't be too difficult to make.  Although drilling all those holes would be a PitA.
Getting the fitting for the vacuum cleaner might be tricky.

Yes, I too think it would be easy. Just boring for the drilling. Shouldn't be difficult to epoxi a short length of a discarded vacuum cleaner pipe to the box.
And the metal frame looks like a mosquito net one. I have already cut them to size (for other uses). Very cheap and easy to cut.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Weaver on March 07, 2018, 04:55:19 pm
Thia guy's selling an A4-sized hobby vac-former (like this one) on ebay for £45: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A4-Vacuum-Forming-Kit/273065428125?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49920%26meid%3Dc9ab1a21304b4bbabce5c071597eb945%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D273097767204%26itm%3D273065428125&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

He also does an A5 one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A5-Vacuum-Former-Forming-Kit/273097767204?hash=item3f95e53924:g:FEsAAOSwyXNaPVDQ
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: KiwiZac on March 07, 2018, 07:51:49 pm
Oh Jalle, it's beautiful. From the bottom of my heart well done! I love it!!!

I want it. A vacform maybe? I want this in my life!!!
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 07, 2018, 10:55:21 pm

Thia guy's selling an A4-sized hobby vac-former (like this one) on ebay for £45: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A4-Vacuum-Forming-Kit/273065428125?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49920%26meid%3Dc9ab1a21304b4bbabce5c071597eb945%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D273097767204%26itm%3D273065428125&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

He also does an A5 one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A5-Vacuum-Former-Forming-Kit/273097767204?hash=item3f95e53924:g:FEsAAOSwyXNaPVDQ


That guy lives about 10 miles from me!  :o

I feel a short road trip coming on.....................  ;D

[Later] Well I would be if I could actually get eBay to work!!!  :banghead:

[Even later] Sorted.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: loupgarou on March 08, 2018, 12:49:21 am
Thia guy's selling an A4-sized hobby vac-former (like this one) on ebay for £45: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A4-Vacuum-Forming-Kit/273065428125?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D49920%26meid%3Dc9ab1a21304b4bbabce5c071597eb945%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D2%26sd%3D273097767204%26itm%3D273065428125&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

He also does an A5 one: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A5-Vacuum-Former-Forming-Kit/273097767204?hash=item3f95e53924:g:FEsAAOSwyXNaPVDQ

It looks quite professionally done. Really intersting.And he gives also an useful tip:
"You can also use a paint stripping heat gun to help the plastic to form tightly around difficult forms "

Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: jalles on March 08, 2018, 07:43:43 am
Oh Jalle, it's beautiful. From the bottom of my heart well done! I love it!!!

I want it. A vacform maybe? I want this in my life!!!

Thanks kind sir!

I'm not sure if you want to build one, but I'd be happy to send you my molds since I want nothing to do with them anymore  ;)
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: KiwiZac on March 08, 2018, 12:58:18 pm
Be careful what I wish for, I guess...especially as I have a vac machine I've not tried yet...
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: FAR148 on April 01, 2018, 03:51:35 pm
A little late on this one but still amazing and inspiring work! :wub:

Looking forward to your next built! :thumbsup:
Steven
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Rick Lowe on April 01, 2018, 09:17:34 pm
Whoops! How did I miss commenting on this, after watching it progress for a while?

Great work there, and as has been said the clear fuselage top is so simple it's genius. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: AvPro Marauder (1/72)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 05, 2019, 08:28:45 pm
Wow this is definitely epic and worthy of that whiffy nomination ! So much work...but since it's a hobby I mean enjoyment...and for sure it turned out just like the 'real' thing !