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GROUP BUILDS => The Flying Boat, Seaplane and Amphibian G.B. => Topic started by: zenrat on November 01, 2017, 02:39:42 am

Title: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on November 01, 2017, 02:39:42 am
From the метательное копье design bureau - the MeKo 7 light amphibian.

Starting point.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4448/37374427404_3118bb086e_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YWDHao)MeKo 7 Start 1-11-17 (https://flic.kr/p/YWDHao) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

And later today after some cutting and gluing.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4503/24231164348_47317c3290_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CVe3XE)MeKo 7 WIP 1-11-17 (https://flic.kr/p/CVe3XE) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2017, 03:42:56 am
My mind is already boggling, looking at the components there.  :o
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 01, 2017, 03:59:20 am
Duck, Mustang, Airacobra, Bf110, Fw190, Pe2 and Beaufighter parts are in the box so far.
It looks really good in my head.  I should prolly do a concept sketch.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2017, 04:24:15 am
Now I'm boggling even MORE!  :o
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on November 01, 2017, 06:49:14 am
MeKo 7? Obviously refers to the 7 different kits being bashed together in a Mess of Kookiness.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on November 01, 2017, 07:47:27 am
Kit brings back memories
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Snowtrooper on November 02, 2017, 02:13:02 am
Looks like Duck lower hull, Airacobra upper fuselage, and Mustang wings are on order. Possibly going to transform into a twin-engined bird with the Bf110 or Beau powereggs?
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 02, 2017, 02:26:18 am
Its the seventh design from the метательное копье design bureau.
I've since added to the box parts from a Mosquito.

Here's a sketch.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/24256400758_00c34b1449_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CXsoSb)MeKo 7 Sketch (https://flic.kr/p/CXsoSb) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr

And here's a mock up.  As you can see i've been busy with the saw. 
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4514/24256400158_fb1562eb0e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CXsoFQ)MeKo 7 WIP 2-11-17 02 (https://flic.kr/p/CXsoFQ) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2017, 03:30:42 am
Your creativity never ceases to astound me Fred.  :thumbsup:

How the DEVIL did you come up with that idea???
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 02, 2017, 03:42:51 am
Cheese at bedtime.
 ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: RAFF-35 on November 02, 2017, 04:16:10 am
That's just incredible, well done sir  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Snowtrooper on November 02, 2017, 05:28:01 am
That contraption is pure mad genius and definitely looks all the way Soviet. Nice idea to move the cockpit to the float, and the Bf110 tails should suit her well. (Also, do I see contraprops in the sketch?) Of course, the design "might" be "slightly" top-heavy due to the engine (will it be turboprop even?), but isn't that what the wing floats are for? :wacko:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on November 02, 2017, 07:29:37 am
Cheese at bedtime.
 ;D

 ;D ;D And there was me thinking it took a couple of bottles of red  ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on November 02, 2017, 07:35:23 am
Having looked it up: метательное копье means javelin (if Russian) or throwing stick (if Ukrainian), according to Google Translate. So, the probable contextual translation is "throwing spear".


Just me being me. ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on November 02, 2017, 07:38:13 am
"Chucking Stick" ?  ;)
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on November 02, 2017, 07:41:45 am
"Chucking Stick" ?  ;)

This is zenrat, could well be. ;)
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2017, 08:19:17 am

 (Also, do I see contraprops in the sketch?) Of course, the design "might" be "slightly" top-heavy due to the engine (will it be turboprop even?)


It's got TWO engines, there's another one at the back, so maybe it has four contraprops too?
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: JayBee on November 02, 2017, 12:22:46 pm
Cheese at bedtime.
 ;D

 ;D ;D And there was me thinking it took a couple of bottles of red  ;D

How quaint, a one person cheese and wine party in the modelling den.  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Mossie on November 02, 2017, 12:32:09 pm
That just looks wrong. Definitely Soviet. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: loupgarou on November 02, 2017, 12:50:07 pm
Really a perverse design.  :o
Must have been a really strong cheese. What do you use for your midnight snack?  ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 03, 2017, 01:10:11 am
Cool design. Very compact.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Snowtrooper on November 03, 2017, 02:05:17 am
Having looked it up: метательное копье means javelin (if Russian) or throwing stick (if Ukrainian), according to Google Translate. So, the probable contextual translation is "throwing spear".
"Chucking Stick" ?  ;)
I wouldn't rule out the possibility that after at least a couple of passes through Google Translate, this is the translation of the English name "Shake-speare"... :wacko:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 03, 2017, 02:26:08 am
Javelin (Javelin Engineering is a subsidiary of zenrat industries).
However, any connection between OKB MeKo and zenrat industries is unproven and all reporting on the matter is subject to multiple suppression orders.
Continue asking questions only if you wish to see the inside of a SeStaPo Divvy Van. :mellow:

Favoured snacking cheese is Granny's Blue from  Red Hill Cheese (http://www.redhillcheese.com.au/styles.html#gb).  A creamy mild blue which goes well with port, muskat or other fortified wine.

Design specifics of the MeKo 7 will be revealed as the build progresses but I will say that it has two engines driving a pair of contra-rotating propellers.  It being possible to declutch and shut down the rear engine in cruise.

Today I neatened up some of the cuts, adjusted the fit of the Airacobra nose to the Duck hull and glued the back half of the Mustang fuselage to said nose.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 04, 2017, 12:53:42 am
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4567/38124663442_51512196d5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/215WScu)MeKo 7 WIP 4-11-17 (https://flic.kr/p/215WScu) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The day is getting closer when I sand off all those lovely rivets.

Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2017, 01:58:12 am
It's looking awesome already, even with rivets.......  ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on November 04, 2017, 02:33:04 am
It's looking awesome already, even with rivets.......  ;D

Weird but interesting, is my take on it. :o :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 04, 2017, 02:42:13 am
It's going to need a shitload of PSR.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: jalles on November 04, 2017, 06:12:24 am
What a fantastic idea!  I would have never dreamed of combining those parts, but clearly you had the right idea because it's looking great.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: DogfighterZen on November 04, 2017, 07:06:34 am
What a fantastic idea!  I would have never dreamed of combining those parts, but clearly you had the right idea because it's looking great.

Same here... I don't have the imagination for something like, it's looking very interesting indeed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 05, 2017, 01:54:00 am
Today I added a dashboard and seat for the helmsman.
I also added some vertical panelling to cover the gap beneath the Airacobra exhaust hole (engine covers for the rear engine) and some horizontal to cover the gap adjacent to the Mustang fuselage (walkways along the side of the hull between the wings and tails).
I have decided to give this a folding mast and large folding rudder so it can be sailed (hence the walkways).  Reasons for this will be explained in the back story.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2017, 04:42:01 am
A MAST?  Whatever next?   :o :o

Will it have a spinnaker and boom as well?
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on November 05, 2017, 06:33:48 am

I have decided to give this a folding mast and large folding rudder so it can be sailed (hence the walkways).  Reasons for this will be explained in the back story.


Wonders of the human imagination  ;D I initially typed a fair few other impressions but being a moderator  ;) I just wonder what Mrs Z thinks ? Although I suppose it goes along the lines of "well it keeps him from the pub and I know where he his"  :angel:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on November 05, 2017, 08:16:39 am
Can't waste guzzlene! ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: loupgarou on November 05, 2017, 10:25:29 am
Today I added a dashboard and seat for the helmsman.
I also added some vertical panelling to cover the gap beneath the Airacobra exhaust hole (engine covers for the rear engine) and some horizontal to cover the gap adjacent to the Mustang fuselage (walkways along the side of the hull between the wings and tails).
I have decided to give this a folding mast and large folding rudder so it can be sailed (hence the walkways).  Reasons for this will be explained in the back story.

I am not sure humanity is ready for such a ?? Thing? Contraption? Clever-multirole-aerial-yacht?  :o
Be careful when you will be showing your progress. There are sensitive souls here.  ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 05, 2017, 06:04:33 pm
Not imagination, research.  1920s Rohrbach flying boats had masts and sails.
(http://www.histaviation.com/Ro_II_serie_3_sailing.jpg)
(http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/FT/FT1924/11/714-1.jpg)
(http://s018.radikal.ru/i521/1404/61/a2ad2589dbabt.jpg)
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on November 05, 2017, 07:06:11 pm
1920's: the poor reliability of the engines & the vagaries of the weather means that wasn't such a ridiculous idea, because if forced down there was the possibility of sailing to safety, rather than relying on others to come & find you.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 05, 2017, 09:06:46 pm
IIRC one of the USN's Curtiss flying boats had to sail over 200 miles to reach the Azores during their attempt to cross the Atlantic in 1919.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 06, 2017, 06:18:06 pm
Wikipedia states that the purpose of the masts were to allow them to sail into port, or out of shipping lanes (and harms way) should they be forced down due to engine failure.
I have another porpoise in mind...
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2017, 10:28:04 am

I have another porpoise in mind...


NWDTSM.....  ;D ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 11, 2017, 01:39:21 pm
This is nutty as hell, I love it.  ;D :o :mellow:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 12, 2017, 01:03:34 am
I went at the rivets with sanding sticks today.  It grieves me to remove such rivetty goodness, especially when moulded in classic Airfix silver plastic, but they had to go as the Academy parts are sans rivet.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 15, 2017, 02:12:32 am
Both upper and lower halves of the fuselage are in primer now.  More PSR needed though.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 21, 2017, 03:28:42 am
PSR.
Nearly done though.
I've scribed a door into one side of the Mustang fuselage and then added a cooling air outlet next to it on the top but offset to one side thus adding a small amount of asymmetry.
And i've built up some framing around the edges of the Beaufighter canopy.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 27, 2017, 03:39:27 am
PSR finished and interior parts painted.
I went to mask the passenger compartment windows today and pushed one of them into the hull.  D'oh!
Luckilly I haven't glued the top on yet so it was easilly reattached.

Looking at Dizzy's 262 based project has made me realise I need to add some spray deflector thingos to the nose in front of the cockpit.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on November 28, 2017, 03:35:51 am
Top and bottom halves of the fuselage joined today.
Started on the wings which need a touch of PSR.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 01, 2017, 02:06:38 am
It now has wings!
I really should have taken a photo.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Tophe on December 01, 2017, 11:48:04 am
It now has wings!
I really should have taken a photo.
The picture from November 04th was promising, I hope the new aspect will be great as well... ;)
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 01, 2017, 05:32:27 pm
Yeah I wanna see!   :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 02, 2017, 12:12:27 am
It's now got tails as well.

Yertiz.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4528/24906722578_7274a365f9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DWVsTm)MeKo 7 WIP 2-12-17 05 (https://flic.kr/p/DWVsTm) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4540/37893532385_21d637379d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZJwfZg)MeKo 7 WIP 2-12-17 04 (https://flic.kr/p/ZJwfZg) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on December 02, 2017, 12:51:08 am
Woh! Funky! :o :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: ericr on December 02, 2017, 01:38:57 am
 :o :o :o :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Tophe on December 02, 2017, 02:16:49 am
Wonderful! Go on! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on December 02, 2017, 02:44:33 am
Where the heck does the "pilot" go ? Plus what's the structure in front of the radiator ?

Incredibly intriguing
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 02, 2017, 05:16:01 am
Where the heck does the "pilot" go ?

In the cockpit.   :rolleyes:

Plus what's the structure in front of the radiator ?

The poopdeck...
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 02, 2017, 05:18:24 am
Yeah there we go!!!     :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:

I see where the pilot rides.  ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 02, 2017, 05:21:09 am
If you look back on page 1 Chris there is a picture with the canopy balanced in place.

Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on December 02, 2017, 06:17:24 am
Where the heck does the "pilot" go ?

In the cockpit.   :rolleyes:



What an unusual concept

 ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on December 02, 2017, 06:18:07 am
If you look back on page 1 Chris there is a picture with the canopy balanced in place.

Ah, ta
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: loupgarou on December 02, 2017, 08:14:15 am
That's one of the weirdest I have seen in the last months here!  :o  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 02, 2017, 02:12:53 pm
That's looking really good Fred, can't wait to see the colour scheme now.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 02, 2017, 03:50:55 pm
That's looking really good Fred, can't wait to see the colour scheme now.  :thumbsup:

Me too.  I have no idea what colour to paint it.   :unsure:
Something simple probably as I don't want to hide the shape of this one.
As it's a carrier based aircraft i'll need to google post war Soviet naval aviation colours.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 02, 2017, 03:56:23 pm
I just googled "soviet naval aviation" and in the first row of images got Dizz's MiG SK with his Su-18 in the second row.
 :rolleyes:

Looks like the MeKo 7 will be a dirty grey/blue over a duck eggy/sky shade.

Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 02, 2017, 05:00:22 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 02, 2017, 11:40:17 pm
Pic for Chris with the canopy and prop in place.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4536/24928414138_9914d62647_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DYQD2L)MeKo 7 WIP 3-12-17 (https://flic.kr/p/DYQD2L) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: NARSES2 on December 03, 2017, 12:10:25 am
Now I get it, brings it all together and looks truly magnificent  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Old Wombat on December 03, 2017, 12:29:47 am
Looks truly weird! :o ... But I like it! ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Tophe on December 03, 2017, 12:35:55 am
Lovely! :wub:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: ericr on December 03, 2017, 01:12:17 am
splendid !

That's looking really good Fred, can't wait to see the colour scheme now.  :thumbsup:

Me too.  I have no idea what colour to paint it.   :unsure:

I wouldn't dare a suggestion
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 03, 2017, 08:46:32 am
Paint that sucker RED!  :wacko:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: ericr on December 03, 2017, 09:28:19 am

 ;)

(a possible backing story : special livery for the feasts of May 1st  ;D )

Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 06, 2017, 02:24:48 am
More PSR (wing roots).

But once that is done the stabilising floats can go on and then its time for paint.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 13, 2017, 02:16:07 am
Stab floats on, mast pivot flanges attached and painting commenced with Duck Egg Green on the underside.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Tophe on December 13, 2017, 07:56:36 am
painting commenced with Duck Egg Green on the underside.
This is a weird camo for an underside: green like the sky? on which planet will this fly? ;) ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 13, 2017, 08:35:39 am
painting commenced with Duck Egg Green on the underside.

This is a weird camo for an underside: green like the sky? on which planet will this fly? ;) ;D :thumbsup:


RAF day fighters during WWII and RN aircraft way into the 60s used Duck Egg Green as an underside colour.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 13, 2017, 08:36:11 am

painting commenced with Duck Egg Green on the underside.

This is a weird camo for an underside: green like the sky? on which planet will this fly? ;) ;D :thumbsup:


RAF day fighters during WWII and RN aircraft way into the 60s used Duck Egg Green as an underside colour.

Usually called Sky Type S in those circumstances.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 14, 2017, 02:08:30 am
painting commenced with Duck Egg Green on the underside.
This is a weird camo for an underside: green like the sky? on which planet will this fly? ;) ;D :thumbsup:

Au contraire mon ami.
Google Yak 38 and you will find pictures such as this...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Yakolev_Yak-38_Forger_38_yellow_%287903020016%29.jpg)
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 14, 2017, 03:32:20 am

Au contraire mon ami.
Google Yak 38 and you will find pictures such as this...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Yakolev_Yak-38_Forger_38_yellow_%287903020016%29.jpg)


Hm, you can't help wondering if the Soviet Navy had plans to use the Yak 38 in the ground attack mode while flying inverted. Then it'd look blue-ish from underneath and green-ish from above.

Better the pilot DIDN'T try VIFFing like that though...........
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 14, 2017, 05:50:54 am
I was thinking sort of along the lines of what they're doing now a day with false canopies. If the thing is in a turn, at a distance, such a thing (or reversed paint scheme like here) could make an opponent mis-judge which way it is actually turning.  :unsure:    Who knows though... but... sounds like good-enough BS to me.  ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 14, 2017, 07:33:32 am
I don't entirely follow the reasoning on "why", but I suspect that was to match the color of the carrier deck.

(http://www.hobbyboss.com/Uploads/201506/5588c0314f7e0.jpg)

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0qkiw6mtZ1r84pkto1_1280.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iF4M31k_FeY/VA7FDmcVlOI/AAAAAAABOR0/h24_qQ2i5GE/s1600/380575_3909059690692_1405333798_33706608_855179402_n.jpg)

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 14, 2017, 08:13:55 am
AFAIK the green paint was a protective measure on the Yak-38 - not certain if against the heat from the jet efflux or against salt water corrosion.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 15, 2017, 05:10:29 pm
Salt water is just as likely to get on the top sides as well.

Duck egg green looks good and that's what counts.  It now has 3/4 of a coat of Intermediate Blue* on the top and sides and they go well together.

*Vallejo Intermediate Blue which is unlike any other manufacturers in being very dark.  To me it looks like a mix of Navy Blue and Mid Grey.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 15, 2017, 05:20:51 pm
Did you know dept.

If you google "Soviet Naval Aviation" most of the pictures that appear are builds by Dizzyfugu...
 :angel: :angel: ;D ;)
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 16, 2017, 12:16:47 am
MeKo 7 - now with colour.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4597/25218021668_5ed742590d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EqqXg3)MeKo 7 (https://flic.kr/p/EqqXg3) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: ericr on December 16, 2017, 12:19:53 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2017, 01:11:44 am
That's looking better by the minute.  :thumbsup:

What's with the bulge under the inboard trailing edge of the wing?
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 16, 2017, 03:31:00 am
Did you know dept.

If you google "Soviet Naval Aviation" most of the pictures that appear are builds by Dizzyfugu...
 :angel: :angel: ;D ;)

...and I am NOT working for Putin or the Illuminati!  ;)

BTW, I found Tamiya's "Field Blue" (XF-50) to be a good guesstimate for the upper side, because it is rather dull and has a petrol touch. For the undersides' green I have used Humbrol 114 (Russian Green), but it's OOP.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 16, 2017, 03:52:15 am
Thanks Dizz.  I've used Vallejo colours.  Both ones I rarely use but which to me seem to work well together.
I had no doubts about your allegiances.  We all know they are to The Ukraine... ;D

Kit - I wondered who would ask about that.  It's a flap stabilisation counter-lift weight anti flutter housing.
It has nothing to do with the wings being Bf 110 wings with the radiators removed (used on the BoB GB asymmetric Bf 110) but with the fairings that sit behind them being left in situ as they add some interest to the underside of the wing.
I assume these fairings (if the rads haven't been hacked off) are intended to block airflow from the radiators when the flaps are down.  Bf 109s also have them.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2017, 05:18:06 am

Kit - I wondered who would ask about that.  It's a flap stabilisation counter-lift weight anti flutter housing.


Ah, stupid of me, I should have realised. It's so obvious when you know.  ;D
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 18, 2017, 03:24:58 am
I started scratchbuilding the mast today.  It's complicated by my desire for its folding mechanism to work.
I have also started on the fiddley bits.

Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 18, 2017, 06:48:48 am

I started scratchbuilding the mast today.  It's complicated by my desire for its folding mechanism to work.
I have also started on the fiddley bits.


And you mean making a folding mast ISN'T fiddly???  :o :o :o
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 19, 2017, 12:26:49 am

I started scratchbuilding the mast today.  It's complicated by my desire for its folding mechanism to work.
I have also started on the fiddley bits.


And you mean making a folding mast ISN'T fiddly???  :o :o :o
Making a folding mast was very fiddley but is in addition to my usual definition of fiddley bits - i.e. undercarriage, wheels, undercarriage doors, arrestor hook, propellers etc as not every plane I build has a mast.
Mast is now done and I managed to keep the folding operational and not clag it up with glue or paint (yet).
I am resisting the temptation to make a sail as it would have to be removable so I could stow the mast.
I must remember to add a rudder otherwise sailing it will be tricky.
Having removed the masking from the hull windows I realised that I still need to clear the thing and so had to remask them.

Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 19, 2017, 09:11:51 am

I must remember to add a rudder otherwise sailing it will be tricky.


How about a drop keel or lee-boards too?
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 20, 2017, 03:24:24 am
I did think about a centreboard but visually there would be nothing to see except a slot in the bottom of the hull.
Lets just say it doesn't need to sail that close to the wind but does need, for operational reasons that will be revealed in the back story, to operate in shallow waters.

Gloss cleared today.  Decals tomorrow.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 21, 2017, 01:14:39 am
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4692/27414595839_96cac0aa39_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/HLwYev)MeKo 7 WIP 21-12-17 (https://flic.kr/p/HLwYev) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 21, 2017, 06:46:32 am
It could ONLY be Russian looking like that of course.  :thumbsup:

Getting better and better.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: Tophe on December 21, 2017, 09:46:12 am
Looking good! Go on! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 21, 2017, 10:27:25 am
That's bada$$!!!!!!!  :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: ericr on December 21, 2017, 11:36:21 am

amazing, expectedly but still ...  ;D
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: strobez on December 21, 2017, 04:29:13 pm
Now thatís somehow thatís really starting to look like something!
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 23, 2017, 02:21:17 am
A touch of gloss over the decals today.  As I hoped, the traces of silvering disappeared.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 27, 2017, 02:28:14 am
Coming to the end now.
I fitted the mast today (I am sure there is a proper sailing word for doing this and I am also sure that Jon will be along shortly to inform me of it  ;D).  It folds nicely and the boom (again - possibly not the proper sailing word) goes up and down and pivots round the mast.
I also remembered to make a rudder which is glued in place above the tail wheel.


Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 27, 2017, 03:08:55 am
It's 'STEPPING' the mast I think.
Title: Re: метательное копье MeKo 7
Post by: zenrat on December 28, 2017, 03:35:20 am
A few licks of paint today and started assembling the undercarriage.
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on December 29, 2017, 11:52:51 pm
Метательное Копье MeКo 7c.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4737/25513783128_24cc7b6f98_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ESyNQy)Метательное Копье MeКo 7c 17 (https://flic.kr/p/ESyNQy) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Designed by the Метательное Копье (Javelin) Design Bureau the MeКo 7 began life as the MeКo 3, an observation and communication seaplane for the Red Fleet.  It was powered by twin Charomskiy TD-20T engines mounted in line.  The engines drove through a contra-rotating propeller and had a clutched connection between them enabling the rear engine to be de-coupled and shut down for increased endurance.  One result of this powerplant arrangement was the location of the cockpit in the lower hull.  Its closeness to the waterline, and the fact that in anything but dead calm seas waves broke over the canopy meant that the glazing was sealed, with pilot access through the body of the aircraft.  This led to the aircraft being nicknamed The Floating Coffin by its pilots.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4647/24518263567_1e0b0fd2f4_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DmAvyc)Метательное Копье MeКo 7c 11 (https://flic.kr/p/DmAvyc) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
MeКo 3s were standard aboard all post war Soviet capital ships but being seaplanes were not capable of operating from the then new aircraft carriers.  The design was therefore upgraded to a carrier capable amphibian with the extent of the modifications (undercarriage, folding wings, strengthened structure, arrestor hook etc) being such that it was deemed to be a new aircraft and was thus re-categorised MeКo 7.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4640/27606640809_b93e0b0b3d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J4vfvF)Метательное Копье MeКo 7c 5 (https://flic.kr/p/J4vfvF) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Over the years the MeКo 7 was developed into a number of specialised.  With its twin engine configuration providing excess of power with economical cruise it could lift heavy loads and then loiter about with them all day above the fleet.  This obviously made it ideal for AEW and ASW use but it was also put to another completely different purpose in the form of the MeКo 7c.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4589/27606641399_157a3617d7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J4vfFR)Метательное Копье MeКo 7c 2 (https://flic.kr/p/J4vfFR) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The 7c (c for спецназ) was developed as a result of  cooperation between Метательное Копье and the central committee for Войска специа́льного назначе́ния (Special Purpose Military Units).  Its mission was to infiltrate and exfiltrate operatives to and from enemy coasts.  In order to achieve this a folding mast was fitted enabling the aircraft to be landed on the water out of sight of land and then sailed in, under the radar to a point where up to four fully equipped Spetsnaz could either be dropped off or picked up.  Sails and rigging were stowed inside the hull of the aircraft while folding steering gear was housed beneath a hatch situated immediately in front of the dorsal radiator intake.
Some aircraft were additionally equipped with silent electric outboard motors mounted to the retractable rudder gear.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4728/25513782878_363e7d81ee_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ESyNLf)Метательное Копье MeКo 7c 20 (https://flic.kr/p/ESyNLf) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
It is unknown how many examples of the MeКo 7c were built or indeed if they were ever used in anger but they certainly make for a fascinating and unusual aircraft.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4641/27606641699_c9ef25cb56_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J4vfM2)Метательное Копье MeКo 7c 1 (https://flic.kr/p/J4vfM2) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
The Model.
Hull constructed from Airfix Grumman Duck + Academy Airacobra + Academy Mustang.
Wings from Revell Messerschmitt 110.
Canopy from Airfix Beaufighter.
Props from Airfix Mosquito + Airfix Pe 2.
Tail from Airfix Focke Wulf 190 + Airfix Pe 2.
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: loupgarou on December 30, 2017, 12:24:05 am
I think I'll need a stiff drink even if it's morning here, after admiring your creation in all its completed beauty. :drink:
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: ericr on December 30, 2017, 01:10:27 am

very excellent  :thumbsup:

my humble wish : to see it with its sail deployed ?  ;D
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Old Wombat on December 30, 2017, 01:19:19 am
That is one brilliantly inventive build, Fred! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on December 30, 2017, 01:49:42 am
Thanks folks.


very excellent  :thumbsup:

my humble wish : to see it with its sail deployed ?  ;D


I thought about making a sail but it would have to be removable which would be fiddley and I couldn't work out how to make it both accurate and quickly detachable.
So here's a photo mockup just for you.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4646/27607890899_d910526b50_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/J4BE7X)Метательное Копье MeКo 7c 19a (https://flic.kr/p/J4BE7X) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: NARSES2 on December 30, 2017, 02:16:30 am
That's just mind boggling  :o I've finally grasped it's layout and it's brilliant  :bow:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Mossie on December 30, 2017, 03:41:04 am
That's just bonkers! :wub: :thumbsup: :mellow:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: ericr on December 30, 2017, 06:54:41 am
Thanks folks.


very excellent  :thumbsup:

my humble wish : to see it with its sail deployed ?  ;D


I thought about making a sail but it would have to be removable which would be fiddley and I couldn't work out how to make it both accurate and quickly detachable.
So here's a photo mockup just for you.



thank you so much ! ;D I feel priviledged
it fully valorizes your design :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: jalles on December 30, 2017, 06:54:54 am
That's fantastic! I love the walkway round back. The canopy fits perfect.  Just wonderful  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 30, 2017, 07:27:10 am
That has to be the most TOTALLY bonkers model I've ever seen on here, but it's MAGNIFICENT too!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Superb work Fred, the work of genius there.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: perttime on December 30, 2017, 08:45:18 am
That's ... WEIRD ....
... Congratulations!
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: CammNut on December 30, 2017, 09:48:33 am
Sheer stunning inventiveness!
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Snowtrooper on December 30, 2017, 03:01:57 pm
It's totally crazy but at the same time it makes total sense. Love the small "ship-like" details such as the entryway, the wooden decking, and the access ladder. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on December 30, 2017, 10:28:27 pm
Thanks folks.  "Bonkers, weird and crazy" - I am proud that you all think that.  It validates me.
 ;D


Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: TomZ on December 31, 2017, 01:26:34 am
Absolutely gorgeous!!!  :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

TomZ
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 31, 2017, 04:22:42 am
 ;D ;D ;D  I knew this was some nutty ^*#%@ but I had no idea.  :o

Fantastic, Fred!!! I absolutely love it. I can imagine myself having all kinds of fun in such a thing lake hop, camping, fishing and sailing around.. don't want to burn gas?, just use the sail.

 :lol:

Paint job is definitely good. I think my favorite part is that whole port side there where the little "house" windows are and the ladder and door and stuff.
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on January 01, 2018, 02:21:59 am
Thanks Tom, Brad C.  Should I have fitted curtains?
 :unsure:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: DogfighterZen on January 01, 2018, 03:02:03 am
That is weird, no doubt... but somehow, it's also very cool.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Rheged on January 01, 2018, 05:35:17 am
Thanks Tom, Brad C.  Should I have fitted curtains?
 :unsure:

Next time!  Lacy nets not heavy brocade.......although I should imagine our dear brother in whiffery ,  the honourable Radish, would be in a better position to offer advice on this subject.

This offering is totally off the wall, bonkers and magnificent. When displayed, it should cause a remarkable episode of NUMPTYBOGGLING.......which is of course one of our aims in life.
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 01, 2018, 07:14:22 am
Are the little side decks with the railings carpeted?
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Tophe on January 01, 2018, 07:58:26 am
Lovely! Belated congratulations... :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on January 01, 2018, 04:41:50 pm
Magnificent madness! I love it. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on January 02, 2018, 12:00:27 am
Thanks folks.  This one seems unaccountably popular.

Are the little side decks with the railings carpeted?
No.  I didn't think of that.  They are painted sort of vague woodgrain.
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Weaver on February 10, 2018, 08:37:19 am
Wonderfully crazy build Fred - well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on February 11, 2018, 02:18:38 am
Thanks H.
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: Captain Canada on February 11, 2018, 03:15:01 pm
Is that ever wild ! Very different. Love the layout, and I bet it would have sounded awesome !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Метательное Копье MeКo 7c - Finished pics page 7
Post by: zenrat on February 12, 2018, 02:39:54 am
Thanks Cap'n.