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GROUP BUILDS => The 2017 One Week Build => Topic started by: DogfighterZen on May 30, 2017, 07:48:32 am

Title: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on May 30, 2017, 07:48:32 am
So, going to try this one week GB for the first time, although it's a late entry and i've have never finished a model in less than a full month... :rolleyes:
With that said, "What if the PoAF had bought 8 Folland Gnat T.1 trainers in September of 1965 for it's academy?" ;)

The kit will be the Airfix 1/72 kit and the scheme will be created as i go along the build because it will be an aerobatic display team aircraft... and for the first time, i'm going to paint a plane in white... ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/oJtosC2.jpg)

I'm enjoying the last of my 2016 vacation days so i should have enough time for this so i should have something to show soon.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on May 31, 2017, 05:32:17 pm
Ok, haven't taken many pics of the assembly but it's almost ready for primer! :o
The kit is easy to put together so i just assembled everything OOB after painting the separate parts of the cockpit and landing gear bays and quickly closed up the fuselage...

(http://i.imgur.com/BWdcpXf.jpg)

The intakes were a bit hard to fit in but went in there after a little convincing, still would need some sanding...

(http://i.imgur.com/luIO0eY.jpg)

Some joints needed some work but UMP sanders took care of everything...

(http://i.imgur.com/6mFuYq7.jpg)

And after all was sanded smooth, i glued the pitot tube on and it's just waiting for the pilots and the masked canopy to get some primer on it...

(http://i.imgur.com/YMWYIah.jpg)

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Librarian on May 31, 2017, 05:39:29 pm
Still have such a soft spot for the smaller jets and the Gnat has a certain something...much prettier than the Hawk. Airfix really have to do something about their 'tramline' panelling, especially as the kits aren't that cheap.
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: strobez on May 31, 2017, 09:36:56 pm
That's looking great! I built one recently that was a joy to fit together. I was seriously considering having another go at it for the 1-wk GB.

Can't wait to see what she looks like in white. :)
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 01, 2017, 01:14:50 am
Still have such a soft spot for the smaller jets and the Gnat has a certain something...much prettier than the Hawk. Airfix really have to do something about their 'tramline' panelling, especially as the kits aren't that cheap.

The deep panels are IMHO not that bad. It really evens out once you add some paint (at least with a brush), and the engravings remain deep enough for washes.
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: NARSES2 on June 01, 2017, 05:06:39 am
Still have such a soft spot for the smaller jets and the Gnat has a certain something...much prettier than the Hawk. Airfix really have to do something about their 'tramline' panelling, especially as the kits aren't that cheap.

The deep panels are IMHO not that bad. It really evens out once you add some paint (at least with a brush), and the engravings remain deep enough for washes.

Totally agree with Dizzy. I think perhaps Airfix have deliberately done the panel lines on some of their newer tools to cater for brush painters ? Some in the modeling press seem to forget that brush painters are not an extinct species.
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 01, 2017, 05:10:01 am

 Some in the modeling press seem to forget that brush painters are not an extinct species.


PRECISELY!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 01, 2017, 06:04:21 am
I do find some of the panel lines a bit to wide but i can live with that, although some details do look a bit toy-like, but all things considered, it is a small scale so it doesn't really bother me. I still prefer these engraved lines over raised lines, at least it's easier to recover details lost by sanding.
I'm now down in the cave, ready for an airbrush session so i'll have some progress to show later today...

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Librarian on June 01, 2017, 06:13:12 am
Depends on the modeller really. Those panel lines ARE good for the wattle-and-daubers but hopeless for those who have some finesse. A good example from my experience was a couple years back when I put together an Airfix 1/48 Spit XII... :banghead:. Stuck it on Ebay, then bought the Special Hobby release. Beautifully refined panelling (and a far more accurate, slim Spitfire).

Airfix can do refined...their Spit F.22/24 kit is a prime example. On 1/72....I shudder to think as I have has experience of their Mustang release.

...and the gates :o. Hack-saw the parts of the sprues then weigh the model parts against the leftovers. Serious wastage.
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 01, 2017, 12:41:45 pm
Depends on the modeller really. Those panel lines ARE good for the wattle-and-daubers but hopeless for those who have some finesse. A good example from my experience was a couple years back when I put together an Airfix 1/48 Spit XII... :banghead:. Stuck it on Ebay, then bought the Special Hobby release. Beautifully refined panelling (and a far more accurate, slim Spitfire).

Airfix can do refined...their Spit F.22/24 kit is a prime example. On 1/72....I shudder to think as I have has experience of their Mustang release.

...and the gates :o. Hack-saw the parts of the sprues then weigh the model parts against the leftovers. Serious wastage.

I've now built 6 of these new-tool 1/72 Airfix kits, the panel lines are all the same on these kits, and while they might be a bit too wide, i've read a lot from people complaining about Hasegawa's panel lines because the're so fine that the layers of primer,paint and varnish make it almost impossible to get a wash to stay in the lines so i believe that it could be one of the reasons.
Although i haven't built it yet, i have the 1/72 Airfix Spit F.22 and the panel lines are exactly the same as on the F-86E, P-51D, Harrier Gr.9, Zero, Gnat and the FW 190, and i agree that they're not as fine as on other brand's kits, i think they're a bit too wide, but at least they're not rounded trenches like on Matchbox kits...
I totally agree with the sprue gates being too thick, the plastic's so soft it's very easy to take a chunk of the part you're trying to cut off... and the waste is a lot indeed... :banghead:

Anyway, i'm enjoying this quick build, i've made some good progress, might even be able to finish it before the deadline... :rolleyes:
First was to mask the canopy, which was a quick job, but when i placed it on the fuselage, it left a gap on the rear part, so i had to glue a bit of plastic card on the frame to reduce it. Also painted the pilots and threw them in the cockpit so i could close it all up... i know, the pilots look like they're wearing swimming caps and goggles... ;D

(http://i.imgur.com/TpDqb2E.jpg)

Then it was time for some Tamiya grey primer, followed by the XF-2 as the base for the display scheme...

(http://i.imgur.com/dfxUNin.jpg)

The acrylic paint's already dry as the temperature's been pretty high today, so i'll start masking tonight after dinner...

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 01, 2017, 08:19:45 pm
Wasn't done exactly after dinner but i got it masked for the second color...

(http://i.imgur.com/afmuaQU.jpg)

More tomorrow... :cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 02, 2017, 12:21:39 am
And to start off the day, i got up really early with nothing to do so down into the cave i came and sprayed the second color...

(http://i.imgur.com/x4dF8yw.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XXPPXPF.jpg)

More masking to be done for the 3rd color... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: AXU on June 02, 2017, 01:26:14 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 02, 2017, 02:37:14 am
Ooooh, 'Green Arrows'?  ;)
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Librarian on June 02, 2017, 04:04:13 am
I was referring to the 1/48 Spit 22/24 :thumbsup:

That scheme is going to look fantastic and the model looks a winner :wub:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Mossie on June 02, 2017, 05:41:50 am
Liking it so far. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 02, 2017, 06:36:50 am
Ooooh, 'Green Arrows'?  ;)

Would suit it if it was left like this...  :thumbsup:

I was referring to the 1/48 Spit 22/24 :thumbsup:

That scheme is going to look fantastic and the model looks a winner :wub:

I'd like to build one of those in 1/48, just have to research which kit is best so i can put it on my to buy list.:thumbsup:

Liking it so far. :thumbsup:

 
:thumbsup:

Well, my lady wanted to go out to do  some shopping and requested my carrier services(as usual :rolleyes: ), so that took up most of the morning, let's see if i can get it masked this afternoon...
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: NARSES2 on June 02, 2017, 07:55:52 am
That's looking nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 02, 2017, 11:12:45 am
Thank you, Chris! :thumbsup: I'm almost done with the last bit of masking before the next color goes on, hoping to get it done today... might even have time for a gloss coat and start putting the markings on...

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: strobez on June 02, 2017, 03:55:20 pm
Oh... that's looking very sharp. VERY sharp indeed. I have another Gnat in the stash, so I'm watching this one carefully.
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 02, 2017, 07:24:59 pm
Oh... that's looking very sharp. VERY sharp indeed. I have another Gnat in the stash, so I'm watching this one carefully.

Thanks, Greg! :thumbsup:
Speaking of sharp, if i thought it took a long time to mask for the green, masking for the X-7 was a tremendous PITA as there were so many bits to cover... and this is a 1/72 Gnat!! :banghead:
Anyway, i got it done but no gloss coat tonight, i preferred to wait for the paint to dry up properly before attempting any more masking and just handling the model with sweaty hands... :rolleyes:
After all the masks were removed, i was very happy with the result as this build is a first for me in more than one aspect.

So, this is how it looked when i started taking off the masks...

(http://i.imgur.com/znxgucn.jpg)

And this is how it's looking right now... :mellow:

(http://i.imgur.com/tCwGzmw.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HsmGpb8.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/dvkGZIG.jpg)

Ok, tomorrow morning i'll paint the remaining parts and get a gloss coat on it so i can move on to decals after lunch...

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: zenrat on June 02, 2017, 09:29:54 pm
Oh yeah, that's coming along brilliantly.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 03, 2017, 12:03:24 am
That's looking terrific already. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: NARSES2 on June 03, 2017, 02:50:03 am
Impressive masking  :bow:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: zenrat on June 03, 2017, 03:12:15 am
Is it getting sponsor logos?  An oil company perhaps?

Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 03, 2017, 07:01:40 am
Is it getting sponsor logos?  An oil company perhaps?

Thank you, gentlemen! I admit i'm rather chuffed with it myself, a first for me in this type of scheme and colors. Now, the markings... It will be a PoAF bird, ever seen the "Asas de Portugal" Tweety bird?
I'm working on it right now, and noticed that there were a details i'd forgotten about so i'm masking for the final paint session to paint the anti-glare panel and a bit more of red... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: loupgarou on June 03, 2017, 11:55:57 am
Beautiful masking and painting job. Impressive!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: AXU on June 03, 2017, 12:49:44 pm
It will look very good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 03, 2017, 08:29:25 pm
Glad you like it, guys, thank you!  :thumbsup:
Obviously, i didn't get to do things as i wanted and i'm only starting on decals now. I've painted the rest of the details and gave it a good gloss coat but now, a good search through the decal spares bag to find proper numbers for the serials...

(http://i.imgur.com/yX8P1vU.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/j5fAv18.jpg)

So, as i was expecting, tomorrow i'll be racing against time... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: zenrat on June 04, 2017, 04:03:29 am
... It will be a PoAF bird, ever seen the "Asas de Portugal" Tweety bird?...

I hadn't.  I have now.
I thought it looked a bit like this.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Kyle_Marcelli_Castrol_GT3_Cup_%287612859600%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 04, 2017, 06:57:39 am
I hadn't.  I have now.
I thought it looked a bit like this.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Kyle_Marcelli_Castrol_GT3_Cup_%287612859600%29.jpg)

I see what you mean. :thumbsup: but just imagining masking for that gives me a headache... ;D

Now applying decals, and but i'm really not in the mood for this task... lets juts say i had a wild night out with my friends... :rolleyes: :drink:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Weaver on June 04, 2017, 07:58:55 am
Wow that looks good! I only tried masking stripes once and it went horribly wrong, so well done. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: strobez on June 04, 2017, 08:38:58 am
Wow.  I already think the Gnat looks like a fast plane, but this one looks like it'll blast through concrete and leave a Gnat-shaped hole...

Striking colour scheme, razor sharp mask lines... I dunno... this baby looks like a contender for sure.
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 04, 2017, 02:17:39 pm
Wow that looks good! I only tried masking stripes once and it went horribly wrong, so well done. :thumbsup:
Wow.  I already think the Gnat looks like a fast plane, but this one looks like it'll blast through concrete and leave a Gnat-shaped hole...

Striking colour scheme, razor sharp mask lines... I dunno... this baby looks like a contender for sure.

You're too kind kind, guys, thank you!
let's see if i can finish it before midnight, still have 50 decals to put on it and final assembly to do... :banghead:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 04, 2017, 04:24:28 pm
As i expected, everything went wrong... even managed to snap the nose gear leg in two... :banghead:  i've just finished gluing it back on...

(http://i.imgur.com/SREAk4L.jpg)

just have to get the mask off the canopy but it's already past mid night so, obviously not finished before the end of the deadline... :rolleyes: i tried...
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: AXU on June 04, 2017, 04:57:39 pm
And yet...you made a very beautiful model  :wub: :thumbsup:
Maybe Chris will still allow to participate at the poll...99,99% is done!
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 04, 2017, 08:34:31 pm
And yet...you made a very beautiful model  :wub: :thumbsup:
Maybe Chris will still allow to participate at the poll...99,99% is done!

Thank you, Axu! :thumbsup: But i'm never gonna rush a build again... almost ruined it so even if it means missing the dead line by 4 and a half hours, i don't care.

So here is the Folland Gnat T.1 of the PoAF aerobatics demo team "Asas de Portugal", in 1976, when the team was formed.

(http://i.imgur.com/GweZgRy.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/llJA8K7.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8JuTdrS.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HCKMNds.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/X2CCIgB.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/67jHA1a.jpg)

Well, done in less than a week because i started it on Tuesday so, i'm very satisfied with the result, even though i didn't finish it in time, but i'm ok with it, this build was very fun and i thank all you guys for the kind words in your comments!

So, what's next? :cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on June 05, 2017, 12:55:20 am
Never mind the timing - you have produced a real beauty! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: zenrat on June 05, 2017, 02:01:41 am
Gorgeous.  Better to finish late than not to finish because you screwed it up rushing.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2017, 04:14:46 am
Damn that's cool, it's beautiful!!!! 
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 05, 2017, 05:06:33 am
Glad you like the little bugger, guys! :cheers:

Gorgeous.  Better to finish late than not to finish because you screwed it up rushing.

 :thumbsup:

Yup, i won't do it again cause i'll really be p*ssed off if i do it! :banghead:
Yesterday things did not go as planned once again, i had to leave the house after lunch when i was going to finish the decals, only got back at it around 10.00 p.m. and there was just too much to do, to get it finished in 2 hours.
I managed to break all 3 landing gear legs, scratch the paint job all the way down to the plastic on a few spots...  :angry: but, fortunately, i managed to fix everything up at end... i have to say that the decals were very good, quick to come off the backing paper, strong and easy to handle as they had no tendencies to curl up,  reacted well to Vallejo's medium decal softener, conformed well to all panel lines, excellent print as you can read most of the stencils, even the ones you'll have to read with a magnifying glass... They're so good i had to use the whole sheet and i think it adds nice detail to the overall look of the model. The Portuguese roundels and numbers came from Colorado/Carpena PoAF roundels and a G.91 in Africa sheets.
I can say that i was expecting to take longer, even though i'm still on vacation so, i'm satisfied with my result and truly impressed with everyone's work on this GB, loved it all!  :thumbsup:

:cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 05, 2017, 05:21:17 am
As a side note... them stencils... now, I have REALLY good eyesight so I can read some of the tiny little things and I SWEAR every once in awhile I come across one or two on a sheet that say NONSENSE things. Most will be correct like, "warning, ejection seat blah blah blah" then I'll find one that seems to be half gibberish... real words, mind you, but ones that don't make sense.  ::::shrug::::    You ever see anything like that?
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 05, 2017, 05:25:24 am
Well, i don't normally check all the words in the stencils but in the ones i have checked, so far i've only found "Envergency" and "Poll" in one of Italeri's 1/72 F-16 sheets... ;D
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: CANSO on June 05, 2017, 07:22:28 am
As i expected, everything went wrong... even managed to snap the nose gear leg in two... :banghead:  i've just finished gluing it back on...
just have to get the mask off the canopy but it's already past mid night so, obviously not finished before the end of the deadline... :rolleyes: i tried...
And yet...you made a very beautiful model  :wub: :thumbsup:
Maybe Chris will still allow to participate at the poll...99,99% is done!
I'll suggest the same - let this model be part of the finished builds! It's neither a glue-bomb, nor kind of halfway done "something".
It's pretty damn' hard not only to finish a model in a week, but to keep it intact and not ruin it in the last 20 minutes. I had that same feeling yesterday when trying to dry the camo-paint with a hair dryer, apply Future, dry it in the same sppedy way put decals and finally cover all with matt varnish in less than 1 hour! :rolleyes: Even the pizza-man is slower than this! And than have a photo-session, crop, resize and upload the photos to the www and write a final post within 5-10 minutes. :-\
I vote to add this model to the finished builds! :thumbsup:
 
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 05, 2017, 07:47:51 am
 Thanks for the words, Canso, you're too kind! :bow: I understand if it's not eligible, rules are rules and i agree they should be respected... in most cases, that is, or else i wouldn't be whiffing, would i?  ;D
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: strobez on June 05, 2017, 08:18:26 am
I have no problem at all adding this to the completed builds.  It's a beauty.  Also, I agree that in the future I'm not going to rush my results either.  While there was a lot of adrenaline pumping as I tried to add a few touch ups at the 11th hour and very nearly spoiled the whole thing with a rushed masking job.  I also rushed the paint job.  I had a very nice pre-shaded panel lines bit going, but because of the rush job, I kept having to "touch it up" to cover up a scrape mark or whatnot.  Masking a 4 hour old paint job to do the wheel wells nearly gave me a heart-attack.

It was a bit frustrating to say the least, and when my wife asked what was wrong I said "It's a 1-week competition" and her response was "to see who can swear the most in one week?"

I'm not sure I can correct her on that one...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: NARSES2 on June 05, 2017, 08:23:32 am
Really has come out well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 05, 2017, 08:37:02 am
I have no problem at all adding this to the completed builds.  It's a beauty.  Also, I agree that in the future I'm not going to rush my results either.  While there was a lot of adrenaline pumping as I tried to add a few touch ups at the 11th hour and very nearly spoiled the whole thing with a rushed masking job.  I also rushed the paint job.  I had a very nice pre-shaded panel lines bit going, but because of the rush job, I kept having to "touch it up" to cover up a scrape mark or whatnot.  Masking a 4 hour old paint job to do the wheel wells nearly gave me a heart-attack.

It was a bit frustrating to say the least, and when my wife asked what was wrong I said "It's a 1-week competition" and her response was "to see who can swear the most in one week?"

I'm not sure I can correct her on that one...  :rolleyes:
Really has come out well  :thumbsup:

Thank you, Narses2 and Strobez! :thumbsup: I've had that happen too many times now, scrapping and scratching a recent paint job... :banghead: that's why i try to paint wheel wells before and cover them for the scheme. And i'v also lost a panel line pre-shading job that was coming out ok, kept touching up til the shades were gone... :rolleyes:
And i believe your wife got pretty close... ;D

:cheers:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: zenrat on June 06, 2017, 04:20:39 am
No swearing from me so next year I need to try something more involved.
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 06, 2017, 05:58:19 am
No swearing from me so next year I need to try something more involved.


 ;D
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: Captain Canada on June 07, 2017, 05:59:16 am
Great job on this one ! Ambitious finish for a 1-weeker to be sure !

 :bow:
Title: Re: Gnats in Portugal
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 07, 2017, 02:43:28 pm
Thank you, Captain! :drink:
Yes, indeed it was. I finished the F/A-16W on Monday, 29th and started this the day after. I thought i was going to give it my best but in reality, didn't think i'd finish it in time... but i did push the deadline a bit... :rolleyes:
At first, i thought of building a trainer, totally white, with the PoAF markings of a normal trainer for it's time line, then i thought of giving it a bit of color with some orange like the RAF's scheme but i'm not really a fan of that scheme so i thought "what about an air show scheme?"
I looked at the scheme currently used on the "Asas de Portugal" Alpha jet, but that is way more complicated, and would be too modern for the Gnat, which would've been bought instead of the T-37C that was used in the 70's, when they formed the Asas team.
Although not sure if i could do it, the scheme painted on the Tweety looked like something i could pull off, even if i didn't make the deadline...
I'm satisfied with the result, the scheme type and colors were a first for me, even more so because it was a very fun kit to build.

 :cheers: