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Title: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on March 31, 2016, 02:28:03 pm
Inspired by Spinners' and the recent purchase of Freightdog Models Lightning VGA set for the recent Airfix F6 version of the aircraft I decided to give this a quick go.

The inspiring picture

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4154/35743278286_ac90e24bdf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsvDmJ)[
The work so far

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4261/35614486342_f24448e09c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Wg8xZY)

So far the cockpit and a few other parts were painted in a dark grey last night and earlier this evening the exhaust parts were separated from the sprues and parts of them painted in Humbrol 53.

I plan on doing this sort of OOB other than the wings and decals. With luck I shall have this finished for the end of the Group Build but it might be a bit of a push. I am thinking that it probably deserves to be in overall metallic but because that can be a pain to get right with all the different panels in different colours I will more than likely go for Light Aircraft Grey with Dark Grey and Green upper sides. Black spine and Red/White/Blue roundels will finish the ensemble.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Captain Canada on April 01, 2016, 04:02:07 am
Great stuff. That pic is defo inspiring !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 01, 2016, 04:11:08 am
Go go go!
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Thorvic on April 01, 2016, 04:45:34 am
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I am thinking that it probably deserves to be in overall metallic but because that can be a pain to get right with all the different panels in different colours I will more than likely go for Light Aircraft Grey with Dark Grey and Green upper sides. Black spine and Red/White/Blue roundels will finish the ensemble.

What about the Dark green uppers over ali bottom with the extra shading on the tank areas, like the RAFG F2s, as would work well in the far east ?
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 01, 2016, 09:36:19 am
A lot of what influences my choice of colour scheme will be the in-service date as I am likely to keep with what actually happened in reality as far as painting the aircraft. Saying that, the Far East could always be a bit behind times too.

Still I have the best part of a week to build it before I need to get the paint on it.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 02, 2016, 02:25:33 pm
First decals have just been applied  :thumbsup:

No, I am not working as fast as dizzyfugu, the decals are for the cockpit  ;D

Saying that, I do have one wing built as well as having separated a few items. I will have to scratch build one fin for a Redtop as one is a little short shot but I believe that is a problem common to all of the kits. Should not be much of a problem to replace so I am tackling that sooner rather than later to save me from famous last word syndrome.

Leaning more and more towards a natural metal finish with an all black spine as that should make it really quite eye catching and help draw the eye of the punter away from the fact that it has swing wings  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 03, 2016, 03:47:10 pm
A picture to show the progress so far

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4049/35743277036_6f18f16d04_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsvCZb)

The fuselage has the cockpit and exhausts fitted inside and then buttoned up. Still got loads to do which includes adding a touch of filler here and there as the fit while great is probably a little off due to my clumsy self rather than due to Airfix. On the whole though it's a case of so far so good.

Settled on going for the all over metal finish other than the spine and fin which will be black as per Spinners aircraft.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Captain Canada on April 03, 2016, 05:10:12 pm
Looks good already ! Love this aeroplane  :wub:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 04, 2016, 07:43:24 am
Added a few more pieces so the fuselage is basically finished. Filler added to get rid of several small gaps probably caused by my fat fingers and the tight tolerances of the kit.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4232/34973725723_d897d0cd30_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Vhvuc6)

The short shot fin from the Red Top has been removed and a new one cut from plastic card. Far easier to replace than repair I thought. Ejector seat is together as well so the build is progressing nice and smoothly even if a little slower than I was hoping.

The filler should be sanded away at the end of this evening so I had better get cracking with the other wing and painting the canopy and the cockpit combing in anticipation of painting the fin black. Just thought about the area of wing that moves in and out of the wing glove/inner wing, Should I paint that a different colour as with the Tornado or just go for the basic metallic finish I am doing the rest of the fuselage and wing?

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 04, 2016, 03:41:47 pm
The second wing has been put together and I could not resist putting both wings onto the fuselage to get an idea of how it will look.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4234/35743276206_0acb387dac_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WsvCJS)

Think I am going to be buying a set or two more of these wings.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on April 05, 2016, 07:09:06 am
Is starting to look good
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 05, 2016, 07:51:59 am
I've since then given the wings a shot of primer so I can get on with the fuselage while they dry.

Glad I have several different bare metal types of paint and from several manufacturers so the painting will be a bit of a pain but should hopefully look good in the end.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Captain Canada on April 05, 2016, 10:57:41 am
Does it ever.

 :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Weaver on April 05, 2016, 03:59:59 pm
Should I paint that a different colour as with the Tornado or just go for the basic metallic finish I am doing the rest of the fuselage and wing?

Gondor

I'd say stick with the same metallic finish as the rest of it. The different finish on most swing-wing types seems to be natural metal anyway, as if they only paint them with the wings swept back.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 06, 2016, 03:57:12 am
Should I paint that a different colour as with the Tornado or just go for the basic metallic finish I am doing the rest of the fuselage and wing?

Gondor

I'd say stick with the same metallic finish as the rest of it. The different finish on most swing-wing types seems to be natural metal anyway, as if they only paint them with the wings swept back.

I was actually referring to the area that moves into the inner wing fillet, not the whole outer wing. The part that is normally grey on the Tornado's wing near the fuselage.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: zenrat on April 07, 2016, 04:39:59 am
Should I paint that a different colour as with the Tornado or just go for the basic metallic finish I am doing the rest of the fuselage and wing?

Gondor

I'd say stick with the same metallic finish as the rest of it. The different finish on most swing-wing types seems to be natural metal anyway, as if they only paint them with the wings swept back.

I was actually referring to the area that moves into the inner wing fillet, not the whole outer wing. The part that is normally grey on the Tornado's wing near the fuselage.

Gondor

Painting it a different colour would emphasise the swing wing nature of the build.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 07, 2016, 05:24:37 am
Should I paint that a different colour as with the Tornado or just go for the basic metallic finish I am doing the rest of the fuselage and wing?

Gondor

I'd say stick with the same metallic finish as the rest of it. The different finish on most swing-wing types seems to be natural metal anyway, as if they only paint them with the wings swept back.

Thinking about it I may just do the area I am concerned about in a different shade or natural metal, but that will probably be either this weekend or next week when that happens. Plenty of time for me to change my mind yet  ;D

Gondor


I was actually referring to the area that moves into the inner wing fillet, not the whole outer wing. The part that is normally grey on the Tornado's wing near the fuselage.

Gondor

Painting it a different colour would emphasise the swing wing nature of the build.


Now thinking that the area that is being talked about should simply be a different colour of natural metal.

Gondor

P.S. This is the second attempt at posting that bit, no idea why though  :-\
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Weaver on April 07, 2016, 05:27:43 am
Should I paint that a different colour as with the Tornado or just go for the basic metallic finish I am doing the rest of the fuselage and wing?

Gondor

I'd say stick with the same metallic finish as the rest of it. The different finish on most swing-wing types seems to be natural metal anyway, as if they only paint them with the wings swept back.

I was actually referring to the area that moves into the inner wing fillet, not the whole outer wing. The part that is normally grey on the Tornado's wing near the fuselage.

Gondor

Yep - that's exactly what I meant.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 10, 2016, 01:27:40 pm
Wings are on and filler applied to the gaps which are mostly my fault. Hope to add over all primer tomorrow.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on April 14, 2016, 07:39:35 am
Not made much progress with this unfortunately :(

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on August 06, 2017, 03:46:28 pm
Finally made a little progress with this build, little being the operative word as what I have been doing is rather small.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4384/36367885516_4c13e44eba_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XpGVjU)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4408/35605181353_bbf31054bb_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WfiRX8)

I hope that when I finish adding a few more straps to the seat and another couple of extra bits, that it will look better than what Airfix gave me to start with. Kind of unsure about the way the belts look on the seat cushion at the moment but its not exactly easy to work with in this scale.

Once I get the seat done it will go into the cockpit and I can get on with painting the canopy and spine in black  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Scotaidh on August 08, 2017, 03:46:59 pm
It's weird - I like it!  :)  Good work so far - I'll be interested to see how you finish it.  :)
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on August 17, 2017, 02:39:31 pm
Still working on the bang seat but nearly there  ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4349/36636539855_bcdba5ecf1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XPrQUg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4382/36590276506_8d96385176_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XKmJqj)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4378/35827855553_f9be770c69_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WzZ8et)

I've come to realize that I am not as happy as I could be about the Airfix set. Perhaps I may scratch build one for Telford 2018 in the miscellaneous class?

This one however should only take one more build stint for the buckles etc then touching up the paint so I should get the seat inside the pit by the end of the month at my build rate  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: tamatea on August 20, 2017, 09:57:55 pm
Wow! This is awesome!
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: DogfighterZen on August 21, 2017, 01:33:51 am
Looking good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on August 26, 2017, 01:08:39 pm
The seat is finally finished, or at least the next thing I am doing with it is glueing it into the cockpit !!

So I thought after all the work I put into it I may as well show off a few pictures of it and its chums

First up, the three amigo's

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4397/36684513831_58a5513762_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XTFHTM)

On the left the Sword seat from the Lightening T5 unpainted and without the PE straps. In the middle the finished seat and on the right what Airfix give you in the kit. Touches of We Can't Dance by Genesis....

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4423/36684514551_c128fe3620_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XTFJ7c)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4409/36684511011_0b00fcdbf0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XTFH4a)

The two Airfix seats together

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4374/36684513111_47ae097569_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XTFHFn)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4401/36684512371_8b0302faf7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XTFHsB)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4369/36684511791_c4d8b1d2c9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XTFHhB)

You can catch a glimpse of the method I used to finish off the firing handles for the seat using Humbrol 99 and then a felt pen to provide thin black lines.

I'm quite pleased with the results even if I say so myself, and yes, they are all 1/72 scale.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on August 27, 2017, 01:02:53 am
Nice work mate. I really do need to try and find some thin felt tips. None that I have are really thin enough
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on August 27, 2017, 03:01:00 am
I just realised that I should upload a couple of pictures of the real thing as a comparison. So here are two pictures I downloaded from the web.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4405/36002911224_6624d4ec2f.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WRskbG)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/36002910534_32c334302e_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WRsjYN)

Along with a couple of the above pictures again for comparison

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4382/36666467012_29806d3b17.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XS6ecJ)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4402/36697372191_bc6e3c94d2.jpg)(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4431/36666467162_542b73b2a1_m.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XUPCeD)

It's not the best and I am sure I can do better next time but it will do for this build.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on August 28, 2017, 12:29:44 am
I'm always amazed as to how many belts modern aircraft seats have, especially when compared to B.B.S. (Before Bang Seats) I suppose part of it is because B.B.S. half the belts were worn by the pilot in order to wear his chute ?
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 28, 2017, 01:41:39 am
He still wears that many for his chute now, but both him and the chute need to be firmly attached to the seat when it fires, or bits of him may get left behind!  :o
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on August 29, 2017, 07:20:40 am
True. I'd always be worried the canopy didn't jettison or the breakers/explosive didn't work  :banghead:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Old Wombat on August 29, 2017, 09:30:37 am
True. I'd always be worried the canopy didn't jettison or the breakers/explosive didn't work  :banghead:

Which is why most (all?) bang-seats are designed with the overhead projection.

The activation handles in the overhead position are the prefered actuators for the seat & used to (still do?) pull down a shroud or blind, which was to protect the face, while the projection above the seat was to smash through the canopy if it didn't jettison. Not sure how your legs would fare but you'd still be alive as you left the aircraft, which is the aim of the game.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 29, 2017, 10:24:19 am
I once got to sit in the front seat of a 617 Sqdn. Tornado GR4, thanks to 'friends in the right places'.  ;D

Quite how a pilot my height would bang out of one I have no idea as my knees were underneath the instrument panel, and if I'd have had to eject it would haven taken my kneecaps off!  :banghead:

Perhaps there's a height limit for Tonka pilots?
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on August 29, 2017, 10:39:29 am
True. I'd always be worried the canopy didn't jettison or the breakers/explosive didn't work  :banghead:

Which is why most (all?) bang-seats are designed with the overhead projection.

The activation handles in the overhead position are the prefered actuators for the seat & used to (still do?) pull down a shroud or blind, which was to protect the face, while the projection above the seat was to smash through the canopy if it didn't jettison. Not sure how your legs would fare but you'd still be alive as you left the aircraft, which is the aim of the game.

The modern ejector seats are designed with only the spade grip between the legs or a handle at the side of the seat as they found that in some situations the occupant of the seat was unable to lift his arms to any height, probably do to G forces while the aircraft is outside normal flight parameters  :rolleyes:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on August 30, 2017, 06:33:20 am
I've always been surprised, although I shouldn't have been, by how many pilots who eject are subsequently declared unfit to fly again.


Quite how a pilot my height would bang out of one I have no idea as my knees were underneath the instrument panel, and if I'd have had to eject it would haven taken my kneecaps off!  :banghead:


Ah that's why pilot selection now starts off with measuring you. I remember that old BBC documentary series about selecting and training fighter pilots. The first thing they did with the applicants at the then Biggin Hill selection centre was seat them in an old tin bath tub. If they didn't fit, unlucky.

The only guy who passed out as an actual pilot (C.130's) from that intake had been a milkman  ;D The Sword of Honour winner ended up a navigator.  Why do I remember these details ?  :unsure:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 30, 2017, 07:47:20 am

Ah that's why pilot selection now starts off with measuring you. I remember that old BBC documentary series about selecting and training fighter pilots. The first thing they did with the applicants at the then Biggin Hill selection centre was seat them in an old tin bath tub. If they didn't fit, unlucky.


I went through that three times, twice at Hornchurch and once more at Biggin, but I was trying for an Engineering Commission. Most of the others on the entry were trying for aircrew but I don't remember a tin bath being involved then.

My three attempts were in the late 50s and early 60s, so perhaps things changed afterward.

I passed all three times, but failed the medical all three times too. Bloody asthma.  :angry:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Old Wombat on August 30, 2017, 08:30:21 am
Young lad I knew was about 6' 6" & applied to the RAAF to be a pilot. He was told the only combat aircraft he could fly was the F-111, as he was 6" too tall for the Mirages (the fighters of the day) unless he didn't mind losing his legs from the knee down if he had to eject.

The RAN's A-4 Skyhawks seem like they must have been more roomy, as there were several pilots in my 6' 21/2" height range.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on August 30, 2017, 02:50:23 pm
An update!!

Two pictures to show that I am getting on with this build  ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4350/36529679270_05f89ca8b1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XE19Yo)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4365/36925806215_02e3b4a158_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yg1pHi)

At this rate it will be ready for the Glasgow show which has probably just given this build the kiss of death but at least it looks as if it should be finished by then. Nissan Silver out of a rattle can for the rest of the fuselage at the weekend I think as its the only time I will have time to do anything along that line.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Martin H on August 30, 2017, 02:58:04 pm
At this rate it will be ready for the Glasgow show which has probably just given this build the kiss of death

Maybe not the kiss of death. You didnt state what year..................................
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on August 30, 2017, 03:36:17 pm
At this rate it will be ready for the Glasgow show which has probably just given this build the kiss of death

Maybe not the kiss of death. You didnt state what year..................................

Good point. I hadn't realised that I omitted the year, force of habit not adding the year as my builds tend to be measured in decades rather than years.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: The Wooksta! on August 30, 2017, 03:38:25 pm
Nissan Silver is too grainy for 72nd.  Go with Halfords Gloss Aluminium instead.  Switched to that for NMF finishes and it's far, far superior.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 01, 2017, 02:29:41 pm
Got myself a tin of the Halfords Aluminium today but looking at the black I have painted I have decided that needs another coat first so the main paintwork will be delayed a few days.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Weaver on September 02, 2017, 04:21:46 pm
Got myself a tin of the Halfords Aluminium today but looking at the black I have painted I have decided that needs another coat first so the main paintwork will be delayed a few days.

Gondor

Test it on something else first to see if you like the finish. Some car metallics are far too 'sparkly' for scale model use.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 03, 2017, 02:31:27 pm
Got myself a tin of the Halfords Aluminium today but looking at the black I have painted I have decided that needs another coat first so the main paintwork will be delayed a few days.

Gondor

Test it on something else first to see if you like the finish. Some car metallics are far too 'sparkly' for scale model use.

Sounds like a good idea. I will use the wings that came with the kit to try the paint on.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 04, 2017, 11:33:22 am
Just gave the undersides of the original wings a blast of Halfords Aluminium. I think it looks great  :thumbsup:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4375/36219719613_890eb4677d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbBwLn)

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 04, 2017, 01:52:05 pm
Knew you'd like it.

I'm happy enough with it to use it as a primer on NMF finishes.  I switched to it about ten years back and never had an issue with it, although once you get to about half full, it's never quite as good.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 04, 2017, 02:23:20 pm
Who is that masked aircraft?

Well I hope I have masked it well enough  :-\

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4350/37030441925_9c166b50a1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YqfGgg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4397/36222740643_1cb6d328ba_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XbT1P6)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4434/37030441495_fc494f6b73_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YqfG8R)

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: zenrat on September 04, 2017, 04:29:35 pm
The Aluminium looks pretty good.
But bear in mind that there is more than one Nissan "silver" and that particle size and shade will vary widely between all automotive silvers and metallic greys.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 05, 2017, 10:54:28 am
Got the aircraft painted this evening, my hands too  :banghead:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4418/37048168225_70f2ef8fbf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YrPxF8)

I'm quite pleased with the outcome, but did the cockpit stay paint free?  :-\


(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4432/36213398194_82c31f184c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xb48Co)

It did !!!! YaY !!!!  :cheers: :party: :drink:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: DogfighterZen on September 05, 2017, 04:37:04 pm
Looking very good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 06, 2017, 01:32:27 pm
I took the rest of the masking off today, very pleased to say that I made a good job of the masking as there was very little aluminium getting under the tape

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4406/36257998373_7c86c7c4b0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XeZHGZ)

This was the worst part

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4334/36236876584_6fb11be33a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Xd8sWd)

So its onwards and upwards with this  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: zenrat on September 07, 2017, 03:28:54 am
Coming along nicely.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 07, 2017, 10:46:29 am
Pre empting myself with decalling. Never used this rattle can before so not sure if I need to Klear the surface prior to applying the decals or not or for that matter if I should use something else other than Klear?  :unsure:

Plenty to paint in the meantime  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 07, 2017, 11:22:08 am
Every little helps. (Where have I heard that before?)

I've used that same Halfords paint and a coat of Klear prior to decaling doesn't so any harm, and helps the decal lie down too.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 07, 2017, 12:08:56 pm
Every little helps. (Where have I heard that before?)

I've used that same Halfords paint and a coat of Klear prior to decaling doesn't so any harm, and helps the decal lie down too.

Thanks for the info Kit, it will get a bath of Klear prior to the decals going on which will be a mix of Airfix Lightning F6, F2A and Kits DeKals  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 08, 2017, 11:36:58 am
This is really moving along....... for me

More painting done this afternoon/early evening

First a general shot of the model showing of the repainted black spine and fin along with the repainted combing, including the HUD. Next step will be adding the canopy and windscreen.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4380/36937086482_f7193041de_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yh1dWE)

Here is a view from above. Hopefully you can see the difference between the forward swept wing position and the swept back position. That area I painted with Tamiya XF-16 Matt Aluminium and brush painted it on to give a subtle difference. I will probably give it a second coat tomorrow.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4414/36965985581_954ff8181f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YjykCZ)

A low down picture showing the model from a lower angle. I'm quite pleased that the Humbrol 191 is standing out from the Halfords Aluminium quite well but not too sharply.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4387/36937085762_970dbc3279_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Yh1dJf)

More tomorrow but not much as I will be out in Glasgow at the Botanical Gardens looking at Dinosaurs

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 15, 2017, 03:10:37 pm
Feels as if this build is a case of two steps forward and one step backwards. I keep thinking I am making progress only to find that I need to do something else. The main undercarriage is on and painted, although I may change the colour that I have painted the main undercarriage as it looks too dark  :-\  the same with the stubs that the Red Tops are fitted to. I am hoping that during the coming week I will get the basic decals on, still got to work out a serial number for the aircraft or I could simply use the one from the kit and say its re-manufactured but in reality the level or rebuilding would warrant a new serial as it's really a new aircraft. Anyway, progress is progress and each part that is done is a step nearer completion. It's certainly not the best model ever put together and I have certainly put some models together far better, but I have also done worse, but the important thing is that I am learning and it should look interesting when finished.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 16, 2017, 05:41:18 pm
XS939-XS940 and XS942-XS943 are at the end of a block of the last F6s, but unallocated numbers.  Hide it there?
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 17, 2017, 08:38:29 am
XS939-XS940 and XS942-XS943 are at the end of a block of the last F6s, but unallocated numbers.  Hide it there?

Thanks Lee

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 23, 2017, 02:31:58 pm
Managed to find the time to make some progress and take a few pictures at the same time.

On its wheels

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4351/36601157493_2a0ac0f23c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XLjuXx)

The paint brush is acting as a nose weight in this picture.

So I started adding nose weight. First I added weight where the radar would be

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4415/36560822634_83ea4d6ce5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XGKLNW)

Then I added more weight to the inside of the radome and stuck that on

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4409/36560822454_02ac9c382d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XGKLKQ)

And that's as far as I have gotten with the airframe tonight. Other work that is done is the Redtop's are assembled and painted but they will be some of the past parts to go onto the aircraft.

Tomorrow I should get the canopy on and some decalling done, mostly stencils with the anti-glare panel painted this coming week. Now where are the crossed fingers smilie when you want one?

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: zenrat on September 23, 2017, 07:06:23 pm
Is that enough weight?

Looks nice.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 24, 2017, 02:50:46 pm
Is that enough weight?

Looks nice.

Yes it is after the nose cone was filled with weight as well

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4475/36584898734_1822096a9f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XJTaN7)

I did have some problems getting the windscreen to fit as the combing had not fitted correctly. My fault probably but at least I know to look out for that with my next Lightening.

Thinking of modelling the canopy open as I have more than likely messed up positioning the windscreen. The canopy is nice and clear so you can see all the effort I put into the seat even with it closed.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4335/37038740360_94be048731_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YqZe6J)

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 24, 2017, 03:15:02 pm
That's looking better and better Alastair.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: DogfighterZen on September 24, 2017, 03:17:32 pm
That's looking better and better Alastair.  :thumbsup:

Sure is! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on September 25, 2017, 06:29:11 am
That's looking better and better Alastair.  :thumbsup:

Yup, impressive "metal work"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 25, 2017, 02:54:28 pm
A little bit of painting carried out tonight. Black was applied over the windscreen joint as well as for the anti dazzle panel on the nose. A touch of black was also added to the edges of the canopy to improve it's look for when the canopy is fitted in the open position. Decals should be next, the stencils first then squadron markings and finally the undercarriage doors, missiles as well as the intake blanking plate and pitot tube.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: KiwiZac on September 26, 2017, 12:47:33 pm
That's looking super sharp. Nice work Alastair!
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 26, 2017, 04:02:43 pm
Not looking quite as good as I hoped after masking the anti-glare panel. Touching up the paintwork will have to be done using Hu33 and Hu11, the latter looking close to the rattle tin silver that I used on the aircraft.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4381/37310547942_56aa2574aa_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YR1j2m)

Onwards and upwards as they say.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 26, 2017, 04:05:12 pm
You can get away with a different shade on the nose ring.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 26, 2017, 04:10:57 pm
You can get away with a different shade on the nose ring.

It is Lee, just doesn't show up well in the pictures. Hu191 as per the instructions

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 30, 2017, 11:55:04 am
I think that I have all the detail painting done now, well apart from navigation lights  :rolleyes:

Next up will be decalling, or rather preparing for decalling. Having used the Halfords Aluminium paint do I have to use a varnish prior to using the decals and if so is Klear ok or will I have to use something else?

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 30, 2017, 11:59:41 am
I've found that the old style Klear works fine over any Halfords paint, but I can't speak for the new version. Best try a test part first I think.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Captain Canada on September 30, 2017, 02:04:12 pm
That sure is looking good. Nice work. Love the Lightning VGA ideas !
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 30, 2017, 02:18:01 pm
I've found that the old style Klear works fine over any Halfords paint, but I can't speak for the new version. Best try a test part first I think.

I think there are a few bits of sprue or something that I can test the Klear on first  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on September 30, 2017, 02:29:48 pm
Here is a quick picture of the nose of the aircraft along with a section of sprue with the flaps from the kit's wings which as they are not being used in this build and having gotten some over-spray are ideal to test some Klear on which I have done, I will see what the result is in the morning.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4472/23564748408_e8f9f32f57_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/BUkuHE)

This should be finished in time for Glasgow in almost three weeks time.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 01, 2017, 02:12:42 pm
Decided to follow the kit instructions and paint the Fin and spine in Hu 21 rather than trying to gloss Hu 33 with Klear, it should look better. I should start applying decals tomorrow night once the Gloss Black dries  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 01, 2017, 03:45:52 pm
The VG wings look very good and your build is making me want to build one, it's looking very good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Thorvic on October 02, 2017, 12:17:35 am
Decided to follow the kit instructions and paint the Fin and spine in Hu 21 rather than trying to gloss Hu 33 with Klear, it should look better. I should start applying decals tomorrow night once the Gloss Black dries  :thumbsup:

Gondor

So is the gloss black dry yet ?  :wacko:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 02, 2017, 11:34:41 am
Decided to follow the kit instructions and paint the Fin and spine in Hu 21 rather than trying to gloss Hu 33 with Klear, it should look better. I should start applying decals tomorrow night once the Gloss Black dries  :thumbsup:

Gondor

So is the gloss black dry yet ?  :wacko:

Yes it is so after dinner tonight I shall be applying decals!!

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 04, 2017, 06:42:55 am
So I got some decals on the model and decided that I would put some roundels onto to help motivate me. Well that went well, NOT! :banghead:

First off the fin flashes I was going to use had a yellow edge to them as they were for the 74 (Tiger) Squadron option out of the box so I changed to a set of highly swept decals from 1972 option of 92 Squadron in the F.2A box. Next up I attempted to add the 60 Squadron bars from KitsDeKals only to find them too big  :banghead:  Not the decal manufacturers fault, the picture I was working from had reduced the roundel size on the forward fuselage so that they could incorporate the bar's fully on both sides of the roundel  :banghead:
So plan "B" was hurriedly devised and set into operation  :thumbsup:  New decals are in production and plans to use the existing ones are afoot, or in hand  :unsure:
The existing decals are just right for Hunters, Canberra's and probably a few other aircraft as well, so not all is lost  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 08, 2017, 02:23:41 pm
So a week has almost passed and very little has been done to this model. But that should change as one of the breakthrough items has happened!

Squadron decals have been applied  ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4459/36909704643_9f6a470bae_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YezTgZ)

OK, that picture is not the best but it does show that a few of the main decals are on. Here is a close up of the squadron markings that are on the fin

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4477/36909704063_2f0c7ab0c3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YezT6Z)

That should be motivation enough for me to get on and finish adding the decals in time for the Glasgow show  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: chrisonord on October 09, 2017, 03:31:27 am
Looking good Alastair  :thumbsup:
Chris.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Captain Canada on October 10, 2017, 06:43:51 am
Is it ever. Love this machine.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 10, 2017, 10:17:25 am
Is it ever. Love this machine.

 :thumbsup:

Same here! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 17, 2017, 02:34:46 pm
The decalling is taking ages  :angry: and the Lightening has loads of small decals to add so I am thinking that I should get the "in your face" ones done in time for Glasgow this weekend and then add some more if I think it will help before Telford.

So in the mean time here are a few pictures I have just taken to show how its coming along.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4476/23909257458_06de5430cd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/CqMcfS)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4469/37053193884_54a7a27e63_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YsgiCq)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4498/37053193324_39b6d8bc4d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/YsgisL)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4444/37053193004_f3b133d247_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Ysginf)

Canopy tomorrow and the missiles I hope and a few touch ups. A coat of Klear on Thursday and packed up Friday. Sounds about right  :-\

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 17, 2017, 02:47:30 pm
Really looking the business there Alastair.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on October 18, 2017, 06:10:44 am
Certainly looking good
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 19, 2017, 03:38:41 pm
Note to self. Do NOT attempt to install the airfield barrier hook after assembling the rest of the model  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 20, 2017, 10:53:04 am
A few pictures taken just before I packed the Lightening away for the Glasgow show tomorrow

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4494/37783833032_85f24cf3d2_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZyQ2c7)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4513/37815752221_3cbcf046d3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZBDBDX)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4483/37783832012_5fc2a7be45_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZyQ1Tw)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4444/37815751541_a5961122a7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZBDBse)

Not all the decals are on the model, I will finish them off along with the odd detail and touch up painting that needs done but its good enough for Glasgow, rough around the edges  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2017, 12:24:16 pm
It doesn't look rough to me Alastair, it looks pretty darn sharp.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 20, 2017, 01:34:07 pm
It doesn't look rough to me Alastair, it looks pretty darn sharp.  :thumbsup:

That's because your way down south near the Severn estuary Kit while I am way up just past the Antoine wall so it looks great from that distance. When you get to see it up close at Telford you will see that it's not great.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: NARSES2 on October 21, 2017, 03:46:14 am
Looks good to me mate, excellent metal finish  :thumbsup:

North of the Antoine Wall ? Interesting, if asked I'd have said you were just a shade south. You live and learn  :thumbsup: Just looked it up on a map and I really did think it was farther north than it is. However looking at the map of Scotland I really should of realised where it was  :banghead:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Freightdog862 on October 21, 2017, 05:55:58 am
Wonderful job, will it be on the SIG stand at Telford? Might help me sell some more, as I just got some from the caster who accidently sent wrong sets!

Colin
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 21, 2017, 10:41:28 am
Wonderful job, will it be on the SIG stand at Telford? Might help me sell some more, as I just got some from the caster who occidentally sent wrong sets!

Colin

Yes Colin it will be there, which SIG stand it will be on I don't know as its eligible for both Project Cancelled and What-if

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 21, 2017, 11:25:06 am
Wonderful job, will it be on the SIG stand at Telford? Might help me sell some more, as I just got some from the caster who occidentally sent wrong sets!

Colin

Yes Colin it will be there, which SIG stand it will be on I don't know as its eligible for both Project Cancelled and What-if

Gondor


If things are arranged as they usually are the two stands are next door to each other, and quite often merge into each other.

You could put your Lightning across the joint if you like.  ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 23, 2017, 02:06:20 pm
Perhaps Kit I should have it swing between one and the other?

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 23, 2017, 03:43:47 pm
Move it every hour on the hour. That'll mystify the JMNs, they'll think they're seeing double.  ;D
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: The Wooksta! on October 23, 2017, 07:48:11 pm
I think Colin means he'd like to borrow it.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Freightdog862 on October 25, 2017, 05:18:14 am
I think Colin means he'd like to borrow it.


I'm glad it will be there, but I don't want to borrow it as someone would no doubt drop something on it reaching over my stand. Have you any idea the devastation that a 2 coin can cause from a height of just two feet!?  ;)

Colin   
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 25, 2017, 06:53:20 am
I think Colin means he'd like to borrow it.


I'm glad it will be there, but I don't want to borrow it as someone would no doubt drop something on it reaching over my stand. Have you any idea the devastation that a 2 coin can cause from a height of just two feet!?  ;)

Colin

Your very considerate Colin. If you can find a perspex box for it to fit into then you will be welcome to borrow the model. Other than that it will be on one or other of the SIG stands.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Martin H on October 25, 2017, 08:16:13 am
Its a well built model thats for sure. After all it survived a rather heavy landing at Glasgow.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on October 25, 2017, 09:16:59 am
Its a well built model that's for sure. After all it survived a rather heavy landing at Glasgow.

Well the undercarriage is superglued in place as are the wings to go along with the mixed media that's been used to produce the model. As for other parts of the construction that's not quite so good. I botched the leading edge/fuselage joint on both sides and the underside of the fuel tank/gun area has a seam line showing  :banghead:

Looks great from the other side of the table though  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 25, 2017, 09:44:56 am
Well the undercarriage is superglued in place as are the wings to go along with the mixed media that's been used to produce the model. As for other parts of the construction that's not quite so good. I botched the leading edge/fuselage joint on both sides and the underside of the fuel tank/gun area has a seam line showing  :banghead:

Looks great from the other side of the table though  ;D

Gondor

Minor details, overall it looks very good.  :cheers:
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on November 06, 2017, 03:26:13 pm
A final addition to the build  ;D

Thorvic lent me a boarding ladder for the Lightning at the Glasgow show. That triggered a memory of one somewhere in the stash and while looking for a spare nose wheel for a TSR2 I found the ladder by P.P.Aeroparts, dated 1984 and it still had a price label on it for a whole 1.50  :o

Needless to say that in the meantime I had ordered a new ladder from the big yellow H by Flightpath. The difference in the level of detail between the two is similar to the differences between Airfix airliners and the latest releases such as the Lightening I am fitting the ladder to.

Anyway, after a short time I had the following

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/26449575999_2eb8c40048_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GifZsp)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4520/26449575549_18f4f023b8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GifZjD)

And here it is with a 2:1 scale finger  ;D

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4517/26449575269_8da463a55f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GifZeP)

It's now sitting near the front door having been given a coat of Fiat Broom Yellow. Tomorrow I will paint the part where it is being held and then in the evening I will glue it to the side of the aircraft to go with the open cockpit. Well it had to be glued open after the effort I put into the seat.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 06, 2017, 03:29:44 pm
Which ladder did you use Alastair?

That one in the pic looks very PP Aeroparts, I've got quite a few of them myself.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: The Wooksta! on November 06, 2017, 04:19:13 pm
Flightpath got a lot of the PP Aeroparts stuff.
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on November 07, 2017, 02:26:35 am
Which ladder did you use Alastair?

That one in the pic looks very PP Aeroparts, I've got quite a few of them myself.

I used the P.P.Aeroparts one Kit. Far fewer pieces and far easier to build seeing that time was of the essence.

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: Gondor on November 07, 2017, 07:34:55 am
Here are the frets for both ladders, the one on the right missing it's parts is the P.P.Aeroparts one.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4481/24371517868_e3704bcc1b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D8CpaW)

And here is how I added the ladder to the aircraft. Two BIG clamps on one of the wings angled so that the handles of the clamps act as feet keeping the aircraft stable while the Gator Grip dries.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4538/38188467676_377e9aafd7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21bzSYu)

Its not the best thing I have ever built, but it looks ok from a reasonable distance.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4535/24371520038_d5b21018bf_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/D8CpPm)

Gondor
Title: Re: 60 Sqn Lightning F6 VGA
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2017, 10:31:30 am
It looks darn good from here, but I am over 300 miles away I guess.   ;D

I'll be a lot closer on Saturday of course.  ;)