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Title: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Green Dragon on February 02, 2016, 01:46:08 pm
Saw this book by J.C. Carbonel on Amazon! http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1910809004?refRID=64YVNNKFT91Y1BV5PW1H&ref_=pd_ys_sf_s_266239_a2_22_p
Heard he was working on this (IIRC) a few years ago and finally some evidence it exists!
Will be getting this for definite. Need to buy his Esci and Matchbox books too.

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 02, 2016, 11:43:47 pm
Interesting. Thank you very much for the hint.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: Thorvic on February 02, 2016, 11:50:29 pm
Yes, I have been looking forward to this since Tony Buttler mentioned it a few years ago, it should be interesting to see what sort of format and structure they have gone for this time as you can tell when you compare the US Secret Projects of WWII with the original British Secret Projects.

The new book should inspire a few builds no doubt and we're bound to ask JCC & Tony when we see them at SWM as to when the next volume is to be expected  ;D
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: NARSES2 on February 03, 2016, 06:22:47 am
One I will be getting for sure but when depends on the period covered ? Anyone know ?
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: Thorvic on February 03, 2016, 11:28:59 am
One I will be getting for sure but when depends on the period covered ? Anyone know ?

Postwar Fighters
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: Gondor on February 03, 2016, 03:51:14 pm
One I will be getting for sure but when depends on the period covered ? Anyone know ?

Postwar Fighters

Ah, but which war? Franco Prussian war of 1870?

Come to think of it, any aircraft in that book will be after that war  :banghead:

Gondor
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: Rheged on February 04, 2016, 02:20:17 am
One I will be getting for sure but when depends on the period covered ? Anyone know ?

Postwar Fighters

Ah, but which war? Franco Prussian war of 1870?

Come to think of it, any aircraft in that book will be after that war  :banghead:

Gondor

Perhaps it begins with Secret BALLOON Projects of the Franco-Prussian War.
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: NARSES2 on February 04, 2016, 06:25:31 am
One I will be getting for sure but when depends on the period covered ? Anyone know ?

Postwar Fighters

Cheers Geoff. The designs from the late 40's through the 50's are fascinating so I will be getting it but it's probably moved down the list a bit. Although if it's at Hudders ?
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: Thorvic on February 04, 2016, 11:46:44 am
One I will be getting for sure but when depends on the period covered ? Anyone know ?

Postwar Fighters

Cheers Geoff. The designs from the late 40's through the 50's are fascinating so I will be getting it but it's probably moved down the list a bit. Although if it's at Hudders ?

Due out the end of April according to the link
Title: Re: French Secret Projects volume 1
Post by: renax on March 22, 2016, 07:38:19 am
I follow this post
Title: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 07:04:27 am
Due mid June. Love to see a 1930 to 1940 one.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/French-Secret-Projects-Jean-Christophe-Carbonel/dp/1910809004/ref=pd_ys_c_rfy_266239_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=GRN252YV7KDEKD6GS66C (https://www.amazon.co.uk/French-Secret-Projects-Jean-Christophe-Carbonel/dp/1910809004/ref=pd_ys_c_rfy_266239_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=GRN252YV7KDEKD6GS66C)
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Mossie on April 26, 2016, 07:38:09 am
This one might be more your thing Chris, I wasn't aware of it until I saw the suggestion on your link:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyond-Spitfire-Unseen-Designs-Mitchell/dp/0750965150/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=58P39XKRWPC4E56VYR1M
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: NARSES2 on April 26, 2016, 07:41:31 am
Yup Mike told me about that on Sunday and we got a speculating as one does at a show. Both wondered what Mitchell would have produced if he had lived into the late 40's or even into the 50's
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Green Dragon on July 03, 2016, 06:06:08 pm
Revised Brit Secret Projects vol 1 is coming 31st October. https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Projects-Fighter-Since-Secret/dp/1910809055/ref=pd_sim_14_7?ie=UTF8&dpID=51ZPtl%2BDw7L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR118%2C160_&psc=1&refRID=GXP4D6R94CADM6YB1ZP6
Prefer the cover of my old version with the Fairey Delta 3 on it.

Also due out soon, Setember 30th this time, is Brit Secret Projects 5 which appears to be covering just one project- the English Electric Space Shuttle. https://www.amazon.co.uk/British-Secret-Projects-Britains-Shuttle/dp/1910809020/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=P3BRR504NGVAGWYBV5DA
I remember seeing a tv program on this system way back in the 1970's or early 80's, Three lifting body shaped vehicles stuck back to back to errr... back? All of which were to be flown back to base to be reused.

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Mossie on July 03, 2016, 10:51:05 pm
A book all about MUSTARD, should be good.  I just hope it doesn't cover too much of the material already covered in BSP HYpersonics and the Military Space Technology books.
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Weaver on September 16, 2016, 05:16:06 am
Just a reminder that BSP-5, Britain's Space Shuttle is out at the end of the month:

http://www.crecy.co.uk/british-secret-projects-5
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 16, 2016, 02:52:57 pm
I'm likely to weep a lot if I get that book......................
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Steel Penguin on September 17, 2016, 01:12:44 am
not just you Kit  :banghead:
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: dogsbody on September 17, 2016, 02:17:51 pm
Something Luftwaffe-ish.

http://www.classicmagazines.co.uk/product/5507/


Chris
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Green Dragon on October 29, 2016, 09:36:09 pm
Saw French Secret Projects 2 Bombers on Amazon today. Due out in June 2017. https://www.amazon.co.uk/French-Secret-Projects-Bombers-Aircraft/dp/1910809063/ref=pd_sim_14_19?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=660J60CTXM5VXG8R82KX

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: NARSES2 on October 30, 2016, 01:43:42 am
Good. If I'm honest the bomber projects interest me more
Title: British Secret Projects 5 - Mustard and more
Post by: GeorgeC on November 05, 2016, 12:40:09 am
Just a reminder that BSP-5, Britain's Space Shuttle is out at the end of the month:

http://www.crecy.co.uk/british-secret-projects-5

Mine arrived last night. I was unsure how interesting a book about Mustard would be, but it covers even more hypersonics and space planes, including a chunk of US, French and German design work for context.  I haven't seen so much I didn't even know existed since I was 12 and read the 1976 RAF Yearbook.    I also now realise that Gerry Anderson's designs lacked ambition  ;)
Title: Re: British Secret Projects 5 - Mustard and more
Post by: Weaver on November 05, 2016, 09:01:23 am
Just a reminder that BSP-5, Britain's Space Shuttle is out at the end of the month:

http://www.crecy.co.uk/british-secret-projects-5

Mine arrived last night. I was unsure how interesting a book about Mustard would be, but it covers even more hypersonics and space planes, including a chunk of US, French and German design work for context.  I haven't seen so much I didn't even know existed since I was 12 and read the 1976 RAF Yearbook.    I also now realise that Gerry Anderson's designs lacked ambition  ;)

Yeah mine arrived this morning. Only had a quick skim through it so far but it looks great: loads of new illustrations.
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Green Dragon on June 02, 2018, 05:57:58 pm
American Secret Projects 2 Airlifters is due out in October, very wierd three engined sort of baby Galaxy looking thing on the cover. Maybe a DC-10 based design? https://www.amazon.co.uk/American-Secret-Projects-Vol-Airlifters/dp/1910809160/ref=pd_ys_c_rfy_gb_277106_12?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1910809160&pd_rd_r=74MPR4634DKKKJ430PYW&pd_rd_w=vDald&pd_rd_wg=3Tgld&psc=1&refRID=EAY09269GH2KN48B1HRQ

Another one for the bookshelf me thinks.

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Mossie on June 03, 2018, 11:00:49 am
That's going on the list, thanks!

Second edition British Fighters and Bombers too, due out in December:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/1910809179/ref=pd_gwm_psimh_0?pf_rd_p=65b7e0dd-f899-4e87-9d0f-a0838e16bb6c&pf_rd_s=blackjack-personal-1&pf_rd_t=Gateway&pf_rd_i=mobile&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=WE8V0Q34GNT7XZS2ZG71&pd_rd_wg=3FFs3&pd_rd_r=WE8V0Q34GNT7XZS2ZG71&pf_rd_r=WE8V0Q34GNT7XZS2ZG71&pf_rd_p=65b7e0dd-f899-4e87-9d0f-a0838e16bb6c&pd_rd_w=Bj7oo&pd_rd_i=1910809179
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 03, 2018, 12:17:10 pm
It says it's only fighters this time around, they've split the bombers off as a separate book.

More expense, but what the hell?  ;)
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Mossie on June 03, 2018, 03:14:53 pm
It says it's only fighters this time around, they've split the bombers off as a separate book.

More expense, but what the hell?  ;)

Oh yes, I'd forgotten that, sod the money!  If the wartime book is BSP, 4, does that mean the hypersonics and missiles book has been dropped?  The last few chapters of that book was covered in more depth in the Mustard volume, though I'd like to see the weapons part expanded.
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: NARSES2 on June 04, 2018, 07:29:57 am
It says it's only fighters this time around, they've split the bombers off as a separate book.

More expense, but what the hell?  ;)

Absolutely  :thumbsup:

The cover art for the fighters volume is out but I've not seen the bombers yet. I assume that will be out next year ?
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Green Dragon on June 07, 2018, 10:32:41 am
I've got the original British set of books, how much extra is actually in these new ones? Are they worth it? Not sure Ill be getting the new versions.

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: NARSES2 on June 08, 2018, 06:06:28 am
I've got the original British set of books, how much extra is actually in these new ones? Are they worth it? Not sure Ill be getting the new versions.

Paul Harrison

I'm really not sure Paul, but as it seems to require two volumes instaed of the one I assume a fair amount.

Obviously someone will in all probability post a review on here once published.

Chris
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Green Dragon on June 26, 2019, 08:24:28 pm
The Tri-Jet DC-10 based design has been dropped from the cover of American Secret Projects 2 and been replaced with a canard Turbo Prop(?) design I've never seen before, should be available now according to Amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/American-Secret-Projects-Vol-Airlifters/dp/1910809160/ref=pd_rhf_ee_s_bmx_0_5/254-3873926-9056967?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1910809160&pd_rd_r=1b2417c2-fc1c-4e0a-ab81-da3fd2441de3&pd_rd_w=wbKdL&pd_rd_wg=8SLsK&pf_rd_p=70d9470b-9d85-4fe7-9bbb-328c0b835955&pf_rd_r=CMV0F7ENFF9RSGP0RZYD&psc=1&refRID=CMV0F7ENFF9RSGP0RZYD

Judging by the shape of it could be a Fairchild design?

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 27, 2019, 04:18:10 am
Hmmm, I've had it on order from Amazon since April, and their last email about it said it could be as late as Sept 17th!  :banghead:
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Thorvic on June 27, 2019, 04:42:26 am
The volume was so big it has been split into two:-

http://www.crecy.co.uk/american-secret-projects-vol-2 (http://www.crecy.co.uk/american-secret-projects-vol-2)
(http://www.crecy.co.uk/images/9781910809167.jpg)

Should be out now(ish)

http://www.crecy.co.uk/american-secret-projects-3-u.s.-airlifters-since-1962 (http://www.crecy.co.uk/american-secret-projects-3-u.s.-airlifters-since-1962)
(http://www.crecy.co.uk/images/9781910809334.jpg)

This is showing late Sept release

Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 27, 2019, 05:22:18 am
It's a pity they didn't tell me, am I meant to be clairvoyant?  :banghead:
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Thorvic on June 27, 2019, 11:46:57 pm
It's a pity they didn't tell me, am I meant to be clairvoyant?  :banghead:

Amazon can be rather slow to refresh their data at times. It was in the crecy spring catalogue
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Lonewulf on July 07, 2019, 11:33:29 am
Its out, arriving tomorrow.
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Mossie on July 07, 2019, 11:56:48 am
Italian Secret Projects: Regia Aeronautica’s Advanced Aircraft

http://www.crecy.co.uk/italian-secret-projects-regia-aeronautica-s-advanced-aircraft-19?osCsid=f2b869936ec3a1ddec3c964b6d6511a7

Due out September 30th.  One for Narses Telford list. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 07, 2019, 01:17:08 pm
My 'US Airlifters Vol 2' is en route to me according to Amazon.

Sadly for them the one I actually pre-ordered was Vol 1.............
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Nils on July 08, 2019, 03:27:17 am
I also ordered it, hope to get it here soon :)
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: Thorvic on July 08, 2019, 07:47:57 am
My 'US Airlifters Vol 2' is en route to me according to Amazon.

Sadly for them the one I actually pre-ordered was Vol 1.............

It's US Secret Projects Volume 2 - US Airlifters 1941-1961 (Volume 1 is US Secret Projects WW2)

USP Vol3 will be the 2nd part of Airlifters 1962 - Present and is due the end of Sept
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 08, 2019, 10:02:51 am
All these re-titlings, it's all too complicated for me.  :banghead:

Anyway, I've got it and it's truly amazing! Goodness knows what some of those designers were on at the time, but it must have been pretty powerful.  :o 

There's a couple of designs in there that Tophe would LOVE! Twin boomed AND asymmetric too!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: New Secret Projects Book
Post by: NARSES2 on July 13, 2019, 05:59:54 am
Italian Secret Projects: Regia Aeronautica’s Advanced Aircraft

http://www.crecy.co.uk/italian-secret-projects-regia-aeronautica-s-advanced-aircraft-19?osCsid=f2b869936ec3a1ddec3c964b6d6511a7

Due out September 30th.  One for Narses Telford list. :thumbsup:

You know me to well mate  ;D