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Title: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: sandiego89 on June 01, 2015, 03:44:57 am
B-36 Crop duster

"The Hopper Stopper"

The spring of 1957 bought out some unique weather conditions in the Central Plains of the United States.  Several years of drought were interrupted with a wet winter, then a rapid turn to a warm, dry spring.  These conditions, combined with thousands of farms which had gone untilled due to drought were ripe for a major locust infestation. 

Not since the late 1800's when the Rocky Mountain Locust swarms had turned the skies of the U.S. black with an estimated 12.5 trillion locusts had there been such an infestation.  Entomologists were deep in debate whether this was a mutation of the Rocky Mountain locust, perhaps revived from a dormant, "solitary phase", or a new sub-species. 

While the scientists debated the species origin, the need for action was readily apparent as the new spring crops were quickly overwhelmed with hoards of locusts.  The swarms destroyed hundreds of acres an hour.  Small crop-dusters were rapidly mobilized, but it was realized a massive application would be required to contain the plague before it fully reached the central plains corn and wheat fields.

The Tucson, Arizona based private company, U. S. AIR SPRAY, which was a subsidiary of Mar-Pak, submitted an unsolicited bid to the Department of the Interior to rapidly convert several B-36 bombers to aerial sprayers.  Due to the extreme urgency of the situation, the Department of The Interior was able to persuade the US Air Force and the Department of Defense to release several of the recently retired bombers and to assist with the de-milling of the bombers. All armament and bombing equipment was removed.  The bombers were leased to U. S. AIR SPRAY for a nominal fee.

The company ultimately selected 6 aircraft, with 3 of the 6 acting as spares and remaining in at the boneyard in Tucson.

The aircraft: B-36H, sprayer "47" derived from the original serial number, and nicknamed the "The Hopper Stopper"       

The kit, the venerable 1/72 RB-36 Peacemaker.  I have had this in the stash for sometime.  It is time she sees the light of day.   Converted to a H model with the original long bomb bays.

The box, 1/72 Sea Fury for scale
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0391_zpsgqfq6ggg.jpg)

Opening the box, I'm like a kid at Christmas.....
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0392_zpsfwx7z3lx.jpg)

It is longer than my arm!
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0393_zpsivunchqm.jpg)

Two seat Harrier and SeaFury for scale. 
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0394_zps0rmrjtqi.jpg)

on the floor of the garage
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0397_zpsdlfb0sqc.jpg)

Horizontal stab....
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0395_zpsvvyjdpiu.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 01, 2015, 03:47:40 am
Um, can we see more of that Harrier ?   :thumbsup: :wub:

That thing is huge ! Love the story...can you imagine ? There's a guy on Craigslist selling one across the river that's been started. When I get paid on Friday if it's still around.....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Mossie on June 01, 2015, 04:05:58 am
BIG! :o :o :o

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 01, 2015, 05:04:41 am
Hehehehehe, I LOVE it!  :thumbsup: :bow:

Those pesky locusts better look out, the 'Magnesium Overcast' is out to get 'em!  ;)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kerick on June 01, 2015, 05:27:16 am
Could you imagine a B-36 thundering by at a couple hundred feet? This is awesome!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 01, 2015, 05:35:09 am
Could you imagine a B-36 thundering by at a couple hundred feet? This is awesome!

I've seen that more than once.

They used to fly into Brize when we lived in the area and I went over on my bike and sat on the grass by the threshold quite a few times. It's a bit like the start of 'Star Wars' when the MONSTER ship comes over your head, you think the thing just can't be any larger! And the sound track is indescribable, it just goes on and ON!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kerick on June 01, 2015, 05:39:52 am
Lucky dog! :mellow:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: rickshaw on June 01, 2015, 05:58:37 am
Could you imagine a B-36 thundering by at a couple hundred feet? This is awesome!

I've seen that more than once.

They used to fly into Brize when we lived in the area and I went over on my bike and sat on the grass by the threshold quite a few times. It's a bit like the start of 'Star Wars' when the MONSTER ship comes over your head, you think the thing just can't be any larger! And the sound track is indescribable, it just goes on and ON!

No wonder you're now complaining of hearing problems, Kit!  Between the B-36s, the Rotadyne and other various noisy vehicles, I'm surprised you can still even HEAR!    ;D ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Bungle on June 01, 2015, 06:54:57 am


Ok That's this GB over and done with then, even in the concept stage this has got to be a winner !

Made one of these OOB when the kit first came out - fantastic build loved it but it was just too big.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 01, 2015, 07:19:29 am
Could you imagine a B-36 thundering by at a couple hundred feet? This is awesome!

I've seen that more than once.

They used to fly into Brize when we lived in the area and I went over on my bike and sat on the grass by the threshold quite a few times. It's a bit like the start of 'Star Wars' when the MONSTER ship comes over your head, you think the thing just can't be any larger! And the sound track is indescribable, it just goes on and ON!

No wonder you're now complaining of hearing problems, Kit!  Between the B-36s, the Rotadyne and other various noisy vehicles, I'm surprised you can still even HEAR!    ;D ;D

Sorry Brian, can you speak up please?  ;D :lol:

Actually my right ear, with the working bionic bits, is really great, no probs at all, but left one, with the NON-working bionic bits, isn't so bad so long as I remember to put my hearing aid in.

And if the batteries aren't flat......  ;)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: NARSES2 on June 01, 2015, 07:27:11 am
This is already lining up to be "one of those builds"  :bow:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 01, 2015, 02:11:28 pm
Um, can we see more of that Harrier ?   :thumbsup: :wub:



Captain that would be my Sea Harrier AEW1.  Airborne Early Warning aircraft, a crash program to supply the Falklands task force with much needed AEW support. Podded radar from a F-14.  Was supported by a KGR.3 Harrier with a buddy hose/drouge to top of the AEW1 fuel for extended on-station time.  

She has suffered a bit in storage.  

Was my WHIF debut! 2009. 

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,23478.msg340553.html#msg340553


(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0399_zpskx7qvcjb.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0398_zpsulbwg3wa.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0402_zpsr56blehe.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 01, 2015, 02:17:01 pm
Could you imagine a B-36 thundering by at a couple hundred feet? This is awesome!

Like this?  Lucky beach goers.... ;)

The locusts won't know what hit them.....

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/B-36%20beach_zpsj8n4oj6p.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on June 01, 2015, 06:01:55 pm
"The largest model aircraft ever made" as they used to print on the lid.
A holy grail of mine ever since I read that...

I know you're going to do her justice Dave.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 01, 2015, 06:42:49 pm
Thanks Rat!  I sure hope I can do it. Did I mention I fear natural metal finishes....

I must say I am very impressed with the kit, and apart from size, it looks rather like a typical kit (famous last words), and not as high a parts count I would have expected.  Nice moldings.  I am still in the pondering/drooling over parts stage, but have jumped in, no turning back - so fear not fellow B-36 fans- bring them out of the stash! I know they are hiding in closets and lofts across our great globe.... :thumbsup:

-Dave
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: McColm on June 01, 2015, 06:43:32 pm
I've always wanted to build on of those, ASW or transport version. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitbasher on June 02, 2015, 12:16:15 am
Wow! You could spray Luxembourg in a single pass!!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: eatthis on June 02, 2015, 01:33:51 am
is this bigger or smaller than the 48 scale b1b?
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 02, 2015, 05:29:57 am
is this bigger or smaller than the 48 scale b1b?

Depends on how you define "bigger"....If I have the math right (always questionable  ;)), the span of the 1/72 B-36 is greater than the (unswept) span of the 1/48 B-1B.  The B-1 is longer. 

B-36 in 1/72: Span 38.3 inches, length 27 inches
B-1 in 1/48: Span 34.25 inches, length 36.5

Both kits are huge.  I have not seen the B-1 kit up close.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 02, 2015, 06:39:18 am
Thanks Rat!  I sure hope I can do it. Did I mention I fear natural metal finishes....

But dusters often have hi viz red/yellow/orange schemes as they're flying in close proximity to other dusters and they need to SEE each other.......  ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 02, 2015, 06:44:11 am
Both kits are huge.  I have not seen the B-1 kit up close.

A friend had/built one (Revell 1:48 B-1B) many years ago - (really) HUGE thing, and the only option to stow it somewhere was to hang it upside down under the ceiling. Beware!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Martin H on June 02, 2015, 01:51:12 pm
got at least three of those monsters in my stash.....................................Ive no idea why, as ive got no where to put one built up let alone three.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 02, 2015, 03:20:47 pm
They're moulded so you can plug the wings in and out without glue. A bit like a carrier aircraft, you can almost fold it up.  ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 02, 2015, 04:47:04 pm
They're moulded so you can plug the wings in and out without glue. A bit like a carrier aircraft, you can almost fold it up.  ;D

Indeed.  Most aircraft kits have a wimpy tag to insert the wing into a fuselage slot, no such deal with this kit!   Here is the central wing spar section that goes through the fuselage and you slip both wings onto!  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0404_zpsflma23ip.jpg)

Work has begun.  The kit is a RB-36 with the short bomb bay, but I desire the long bomb bay, bomber version, with the two long bomb bays.  Will need to scratch up a bit of the bomb bay interior, and rescribe some bomb bay doors. Luckily the lumps and bumps and aerials of the RB version are add-ons, so just leaving them off gets you closer to the bomber versions.  Here you can see the "short" bomb bay that opened beneath bomb bays #2 and #3.  On most RB versions, bomb bay #1 was changed into a pressurized camera compartment, and #4 was used to mount radomes and hold other recon gear.  

I have debated painting the entire plane more typical, vibrant, crop duster colors, but think the two tone magnesium and aluminum fits the backstory better.

Wish me luck boys.... Dave

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0403_zpsyzrrp2hp.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kerick on June 02, 2015, 07:02:36 pm
At least have some brite yellow wingtips and panels! Please!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: The Chaos on June 02, 2015, 10:43:57 pm
A very Big Aircraft Cool.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on June 03, 2015, 09:39:38 am
Already I'm impressed!  :thumbsup: I remember the noise they made as they filled the sky in the 50s.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: KiwiZac on June 03, 2015, 08:18:27 pm
Oooh this is insane, what a great idea!

Also I LOVE the Sea Fury!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitnut617 on June 04, 2015, 02:31:37 am
Like the idea, mind you, what with the recent trend for doing fire bombers here -- and the real world trend for going with really big fire bombers, it wouldn't be much of a stretch going that route either ---

Gives me an idea for doing my XC-99  -------    :wacko:  :wacko:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on June 04, 2015, 03:18:47 am
I've got a mental image of a B-36 Fire bomber coming directly towards me across the surface of a lake filling its tanks.
It's a very pleasing image.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Thorvic on June 04, 2015, 04:40:34 am
Considering the size of this thing would it not be better doing something like Cloud Seeding higher up ?

As for gubbins for the bomb bay what about using the Airfix Valiant update set which has the pump and tank parts for the Tanker version ?
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 04, 2015, 05:33:38 am
Considering the size of this thing would it not be better doing something like Cloud Seeding higher up ?

As for gubbins for the bomb bay what about using the Airfix Valiant update set which has the pump and tank parts for the Tanker version ?

Cloud seeding would make sense, but the sheer audactiy of using this down in the weeds led me to it.  

Like the idea, mind you, what with the recent trend for doing fire bombers here -- and the real world trend for going with really big fire bombers, it wouldn't be much of a stretch going that route either ---


I had that thought of a firebomber as well- this is a big reason I am going with the long bomb bay verison- I already have a backstory for a life after the locust swarms have been decimated  ;)  The XC-99 would lookl great as well.  

Already I'm impressed!  :thumbsup: I remember the noise they made as they filled the sky in the 50s.

Jelous of anyone that actual saw (and heard, and felt) one fly.  Before my time....


At least have some brite yellow wingtips and panels! Please!

Thanks- there will indeed be some color splashes-the '36 was prettty boring color wise most if it's career.  

Thank you for all the interest and comments.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: philp on June 04, 2015, 08:58:06 am
So, are you planning to use spray booms (sure, that is the technical term) on it or just a system from the bombay?  Normally they are under the wings but those big props at the back could cause an issue.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 04, 2015, 09:50:27 am
So, are you planning to use spray booms (sure, that is the technical term) on it or just a system from the bombay?  Normally they are under the wings but those big props at the back could cause an issue.

Will have spray bars for a (very) wide swath.  Already sourced.  And yes I have taken the big props into consideration.....
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster; bomb bay work
Post by: sandiego89 on June 04, 2015, 05:40:53 pm
Bomb bay work started.  

As stated earlier, first step is to go from RB-36H as the kit is in from the box, to a B-36 (H or J), so I desire the long bomb bay.  They would have chosen a "Featherweight III" aircraft from storage....although using the term Featherweight with a B-36 is rather dubious.      

This is where the the forward and aft bulkheads would go in a RB version, and the short single section bay door opening.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0405_zps2bzkmcsg.jpg)

Also need to make up the tubing that makes up the frame and the bomb bay of the aircraft.  The B-36 looks to be very much a circular skin riveted to a squarish tube frame.

Evergreen rectangular and round tubing to the rescue.  Gray is kit frame, white is scratch.  

Forward pressure bulkhead moved forward of bomb bay #1, rear bulkhead aft of #4 bomb bay. In the RB bay#1 was converted to a pressurized recon bay and #4 bay was for ECM gear and the mounting of 3 radar pods (early RB's).  Will have a few panel lines to convert as well.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0407_zps1rjthbxt.jpg)  

Tubing inside the bomb bay.  Bomb bay doors cut/lengthened.  Doors will be an issue to sort out.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0409_zpsaweyggtg.jpg)

Am I crazy to do all this work that won't really be seen for this build?  Absolutely, but I have further devious plans....lots of WHIF potential for future roles.

Hope I'm not boring folks with in progress shots, I'm a slow builder, lucky to get a 1-2 hours at a time at the bench.  


 
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 04, 2015, 07:08:46 pm
No worries mate ! Looks promising, and I like the idea of future roles for her !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitnut617 on June 05, 2015, 02:24:02 am
nice work on that extended bay sandiego'.  I'm going to watch how you do this because I've got a projected B-36 build which will need this done too (think four Grand Slams and in RAF colours)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Gondor on June 05, 2015, 02:34:21 am
nice work on that extended bay sandiego'.  I'm going to watch how you do this because I've got a projected B-36 build which will need this done too (think four Grand Slams and in RAF colours)

Same here, apart from the Grand Slams and RAF colours. Watching with intrest.

Gondor
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 05, 2015, 02:34:57 am
That's one SERIOUS bomb bay now!  :o

Super work with the Evergreen stuff.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on June 05, 2015, 04:25:50 am
I was told today that Monogram are re-releasing this.
Can anyone confirm or deny?  Nothing on the Revell website I can see.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 05, 2015, 04:45:06 pm
I was told today that Monogram are re-releasing this.
Can anyone confirm or deny?  Nothing on the Revell website I can see.


I foresee a world styrene shortage!  :o
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitnut617 on June 05, 2015, 04:49:06 pm
Well I know someone who would be very pleased to hear that, finsrin on the BTS forum.  He's collected nearly 20 of the 1/72 scale ones plus a load of the other odd scaled ones that are around.  Sort of leaves my 5 (or was that 6) as kinda minor ------
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: philp on June 05, 2015, 08:14:01 pm
I keep wondering how it would look with only 4 wing engines, shorter wings and shorter fuselage?  I mean, we could put longer wings on her but where would she land?
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 06, 2015, 12:22:26 am
Like a B-29 with the engines on backwards?  ;D :lol:

Hmmm, longer wings on both the GRB-36 and the RF-84K of my long dormant FICON model? Now there's an idea.....  ;)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 06, 2015, 10:40:57 am
Now, that's a bomb bay!  Still need to scratch up the center that goes between the two bomb bays.  Each bomb bay was 32+ feet long.

Had to redo a bit of the lattice work after I found a new source, as #1 bomb bay forward bomb bay had some reversed lattice work (note to self..... stop researching after cutting and glueing starts)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0416_zpsvaulgsjw.jpg)

Lots of fishing weight in the radar bay.  Hopefully enough.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0415_zpsyz8scudo.jpg)

Nose section dry fit. A surprising amount of detail that will mostly hidden, especially in the radio room and lower deck.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0413_zpsravgukgm.jpg)

Dry fitting, seems to really go together well, the gap on the top is just during dry/loose fit, it disappears when pressed together.  Primer on.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0417_zpsae4z2rcx.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0418_zpswjfhdgxq.jpg)

  
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Mossie on June 06, 2015, 11:53:42 am
Brings home the sheer size of it.  Like the Seahawk next to it, got a couple of them , might even do one for this GB.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: The Chaos on June 06, 2015, 12:17:24 pm
WOW looks a very big bird.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Sticky Fingers on June 06, 2015, 12:58:22 pm
I don't even have space enough to store the box, let alone that!
Wonderful how the bombay turned out.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 06, 2015, 01:13:07 pm
Wow ! Love the look of that aeroplane. Is that a die cast Harrier I see on her back behind it ?

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 06, 2015, 01:28:44 pm
Thank you all for the kind words, it really is huge, but is a great kit so far.   

Like the Seahawk next to it, got a couple of them , might even do one for this GB.

Yeah, she is an old Seahawk- much in need of a redo- the Seahawk seems way under WHIFed on here...

Wow ! Love the look of that aeroplane. Is that a die cast Harrier I see on her back behind it ?


Leave it Captain to spot a Harrier, yes "toy" diecast Harrier, a Gr1 with tricycle gear in a dubious Royal Navy markings. Bought it for my son years ago, but ended up on my bench somehow.....guess Dad needs something to make swooshing sounds with once in a while.    ;D

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 09, 2015, 02:33:51 pm
Looks like the old Matchbox one ? I've got one in US marines markings camo and orange very cool !

 :wub:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 09, 2015, 02:49:34 pm
Looks like the old Matchbox one ? I've got one in US marines markings camo and orange very cool !

 :wub:

Yes, matchbox, think she must have been released in many paint schemes- We have the USMC camo/orange bird as well. 

Sadly no work on the B-36 until this weekend- in Philadelphia for work this week, but got to drive by the US Navy inactive ship facility, and the forlorn SS United States- always good for Whif inspiration....
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 09, 2015, 03:09:16 pm
Hmmm....I really need to get over there some day ! Off to google we go....

Looking forward to the next update tho !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: KiwiZac on June 09, 2015, 09:51:12 pm
This is madness. I love every last bit of it.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 14, 2015, 06:15:17 am
Back to the bench.  Interior green air-brushed, Testors "Interior Green".  The Zinc Chromate was a bit too yellow.   

The detail in scale is an excellent reference, with a great section & tips on the 1/72 model, and how to convert the kit to other versions. 

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0421_zpsr7uwvp3s.jpg)

Spotty parts will not be seen

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0424_zpsx8gw8yg4.jpg)

dry fit, fuselage gap will disappear.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0423_zpsc5vg7unl.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 14, 2015, 06:17:04 am
Looking good....love the pic on the cover of the detail and scale too ! Always seems a shame to do all that interior work to just button it up eh ?

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 14, 2015, 06:25:30 am
Looking good....love the pic on the cover of the detail and scale too ! Always seems a shame to do all that interior work to just button it up eh ?

 :cheers:


Thanks Captain, the cover bird was for atomic testing- the most colorful B-36 by far.  Indeed, hardly any of the interior will be seen, especially my bomb bay scratching- at least in this build, but want to keep my options open. 

-Dave
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: loupgarou on June 14, 2015, 08:58:48 am
Terrifying !
Am looking forward to see the developments.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 15, 2015, 07:15:09 pm
That's a great idea to build it for a later 'repurpose'  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on June 16, 2015, 03:06:46 am
So are you using the kit undercarriage?
Having finally picked up one of these last week i've just ordered an SAC white metal set.  Just to be on the safe side...

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 16, 2015, 05:09:28 am
So are you using the kit undercarriage?
Having finally picked up one of these last week i've just ordered an SAC white metal set.  Just to be on the safe side...



Will use the supplied kit gear- they do look robust.  Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 27, 2015, 01:47:22 pm
Whew, back to the bench.

Time for the bomb bay doors.  Need to make a set of the snap action doors.  Will cast 2 in resin.

High tech mold box.  Kit bomb bay door pressed into the clay.  Making a 2 part mold.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0427_zpsazuvx9bu.jpg)

As hinted before I have some other plans for future build and want to experiment with the early sliding bomb bay doors.  They slid up the side of the fuselage.  Kit styrene is too thick, so what has a similar diameter?  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0426_zpsjyxsdz3z.jpg)

Whats better than real aluminum?  Rough dry fit.  Will have to refine my cutting and bending skills, but wanted to check it out for fun.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0430_zps9huvpxln.jpg)

Fuselage joined- putty over the top fuselage seam and a bit of sanding.  Fuselage went together very well.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0433_zpsi9vegzig.jpg)

Popped 2 doors out of my mold.  Original on right.  Discoloration is due to a bit of primer, white putty and tan 2 part resin.  Need to smooth a few holes.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0434_zpshejj53su.jpg)


Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Gondor on June 27, 2015, 03:25:18 pm
If those doors work out do you intend to do a production run?

Gondor
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on June 28, 2015, 05:24:35 am
If those doors work out do you intend to do a production run?

Gondor

Was not planning on it, but would be happy to cast a set for anyone if they turn out decent. 
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Gondor on June 28, 2015, 07:06:57 am
If those doors work out do you intend to do a production run?

Gondor

Was not planning on it, but would be happy to cast a set for anyone if they turn out decent. 

Put me down for a set if they do please  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on June 28, 2015, 02:24:49 pm
Excellent work. I love watching this kind of stuff !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on July 02, 2015, 01:56:37 pm
Thank you.

For the much dreaded natural metal finish I tried Humbrol aluminium but got lots of runs.  I have a tough time airbrushing thin metals.  Need much more practice and patience.  Rattle can aluminum (spelled the correct way  ;)) to the rescue.  Magnesium sprayed on as well. Magnesium is the duller color around the bomb bay.  Wings get the two metals as well- lots of masking.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0439_zpsrmbiieno.jpg)

The detail and scale book has a great tip to cut off parts of the engine mounts so you can slide the whole prop assembly and prop into the wing after glueing the wing top at bottom wing surfaces together.  Much easier to paint and handle as you can slide the props in very last.  On the left side is a cut down mount, next to picture showing which shaded sides to shave down, with the other 5 mounts still on the sprue in the center of the picture.  Hope it works!

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0436_zps9eawdwid.jpg)

Main landing gear, with only three outer halves of the tires (spelled correctly  ;)) mounted.  It's big....

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0438_zpsktx2vagf.jpg)

  
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Weaver on July 02, 2015, 02:54:37 pm
Awesome project - I wouldn't even attempt one of these. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kerick on July 02, 2015, 03:34:08 pm
I have a B-17 and B-25 in 1/48th that I haven't built because I don't know where to put them. I'd have to build on a room for a B-36!
Awesome work! Still think it will need a couple of yellow ID panels.  ;)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Old Wombat on July 02, 2015, 05:00:16 pm
Aluminum tires? :blink:





Aluminium doesn't! ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on July 02, 2015, 10:19:17 pm
Spelling is just a matter of geography Dave...

I must remember the engine mounting trick.  At least you don't have to do any mods to inside the wings.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 03, 2015, 03:51:19 am

Spelling is just a matter of geography Dave...


If aluminium is spelt aluminum in the US, how come magnesium isn't spelt magnesum?

[I might had I had to correct the spell checker after I'd written the above as it kept on adding the 'i'...,,  ;)]
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Gondor on July 03, 2015, 04:11:43 am

Spelling is just a matter of geography Dave...


If aluminium is spelt aluminum in the US, how come magnesium isn't spelt magnesum?

[I might had I had to correct the spell checker after I'd written the above as it kept on adding the 'i'...,,  ;)]

That's just you showing of your bilingual skills Kit, English and American  :bow:

Gondor
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitnut617 on July 03, 2015, 04:14:48 am

Spelling is just a matter of geography Dave...


If aluminium is spelt aluminum in the US, how come magnesium isn't spelt magnesum?

[I might had I had to correct the spell checker after I'd written the above as it kept on adding the 'i'...,,  ;)]

That's just you showing of your bilingual skills Kit, English and American  :bow:

Gondor

Oddly Alu-min-um is how it's spelt and pronounced here in Canada too
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on July 03, 2015, 04:23:58 am
There's a lot of other metals we could leave the final i out of.  Of them all I favour (spelt correctly  ;D) Sodum...
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Sticky Fingers on July 03, 2015, 04:30:55 am
Sodum...


 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 03, 2015, 06:28:36 am
The only one that really works is platinum.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on July 05, 2015, 02:38:00 pm

Rolled out into the air for a quick photo.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0446_zpsmjngjumg.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0444_zpsr5jnq2qb.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Gondor on July 05, 2015, 03:17:50 pm
That's looking rather large  :blink:

Gondor
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 05, 2015, 04:16:30 pm
What scale is the car?  ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on July 06, 2015, 03:00:43 am
Magnesum Overcast curls - 20 reps with each arm.

Looking good Dave.  I particularly like your NMFs.
Are your wings permanently attached or are you leaving them loose for storage?
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on July 06, 2015, 03:37:14 am
Magnesum Overcast curls - 20 reps with each arm.

Looking good Dave.  I particularly like your NMFs.
Are your wings permanently attached or are you leaving them loose for storage?


Thanks.  If she turns out OK, she will hang from my garage ceiling, so not a storage issue. If the wings stay put without gaps, I will not glue them for future handling, moves, storage etc. Too early to tell yet if glue will be needed.  Will have to see how she sits on her landing gear.  

-Dave
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitnut617 on July 06, 2015, 04:05:18 am
If the wings stay put without gaps, I will not glue them for future handling, moves, storgae etc. Too early to tell yet if glue will be needed. 
-Dave

Problem I had when I moved house, I solved it by doing this below, I then stored it along with others in a large box a washing machine was shipped in.

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove008.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove008.jpg.html)

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove015.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove015.jpg.html)

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove018.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove018.jpg.html)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on July 06, 2015, 04:47:39 am
She really looks great with the paint on !

And lovely collection of heavies Robert !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on July 06, 2015, 05:30:10 am

Problem I had when I moved house, I solved it by doing this below, I then stored it along with others in a large box a washing machine was shipped in.

Wow, impressive jig system.  Now that is a WHIFFER with his priorities correct- "ah never mind the china- but be really carefull with this box" ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Old Wombat on July 06, 2015, 07:43:14 am
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove018.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Packing%20Kits%20for%20Moving/PackingModelsforMove018.jpg.html)

The box appears to have been carefully selected to be removalist-proof, too ................................................... It's already upside-down! ;D

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: loupgarou on July 06, 2015, 10:32:36 am
Beautiful, Dave. I hope it won't fall down on your car when it's complete. BTW, wingspan looks big as the car width.
And congratulations to Kitnut for his storage/remowal system! Very scientific.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on July 12, 2015, 01:09:47 pm
I needed a bigger airfield!  ;D

Was beginning to think about photography for the finished build and realized my normal display bases were way too small- plus I needed a break from my natural metal finish chores.  I think a simple display base makes for better "finished build" photographs. 

48 inch x 48 inch thin birch sheet for the base.  Wanted it thin for easy handling and storage.  $12 US at The Home Depot.

taxiway/runway/apron material is a sheet of "Polywall" designed as a moisture barrier in home projects.  Sheet 4 foot by 8 foot x .060.  Cost $19 US at The Home Depot. Has a very slight bumpy texture too better simulate concrete.   Here is a small section. 

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1004_zpsh1b7ea3i.jpg)

Traced the runway/taxiway configuration with a pencil and cut out with a box cutter utility knife.  With a sharp blade it was no problem.  Re-traced runway lines so I would know where to out adhesive. Removed runway and put Liquid Nail down inside these lines and spread with a putty knife.  Mrs. Sandiego89 helped me carefully re-lay the runway over the Liquid nail. Smoothed out and laid plywood over it to dry.     

Next step, prime and paint the runway areas with a concrete color spray paint.  I cut a few subtle lines for expansion joints.  Will paint a few runway lines, etc.  Railroad grass will cover the rest.  I laid a few different runway widths and parking areas to give me photography options.  With this I hope to have a photography base I can use for years to come, but is light enough to lay on its side against a wall.

1/72 B-36 and 1/72 Lift-Jet Jaguar for scale, and a 1/72 Baroudeur II in the "grass" towards the rear.   

-Dave 

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1003_zpsqxtgdr6p.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1001_zpswltiilv4.jpg)

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Old Wombat on July 12, 2015, 06:22:38 pm
The B-36 is a beautiful plane - love this build! :bow:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on July 13, 2015, 01:35:39 am
Its looking really good Dave.


... Mrs. Sandiego89 helped me carefully re-lay the runway over the Liquid nail ...


Mrs Sandiego89 sounds more aligned to your hobby than mine is. If I tried to enlist Mrs Modelling_Mushi's help on this sort of thing you might find her posting a picture of me liquid nailed to the birch sheet.  ;D


Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on July 13, 2015, 02:17:29 am
Looking good there.
I plan to (one day) build a similar multi use display base but sized around a C119 rather than a B-36.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on July 13, 2015, 06:25:58 am
Nice looking base ! Thanks for the tip as well, I might go and see about getting myself some of that polywall !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: loupgarou on July 13, 2015, 07:05:20 am
Its looking really good Dave.


... Mrs. Sandiego89 helped me carefully re-lay the runway over the Liquid nail ...


Mrs Sandiego89 sounds more aligned to your hobby than mine is. If I tried to enlist Mrs Modelling_Mushi's help on this sort of thing you might find her posting a picture of me liquid nailed to the birch sheet.  ;D

Pls do. It would be interesting to see! ;D



Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: loupgarou on July 13, 2015, 07:07:06 am
Beautiful job, Dave.
Congratulations for a cooperative wife, and for the space you have available.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on July 19, 2015, 12:14:07 pm
"concrete" turned out pretty well.  

Here is a small taxi way section, this is the white polywall spray painted with rattle can automotive primer.  A section of the unpainted white polywall near the top.  Cut pour/expansion joints with a box cutter along a straight edge ruler. 

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1021_zps1givq3mk.jpg)

Need to enclose the nose turret hole.  Could have left the turret, but wanted to go with a more accurate "featherweight" J model.  

Easter bunny to the rescue.  One pastel green Easter egg ready for cut.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1011_zpssbxxyn4l.jpg)

Fussy piece, complex curve, so took way too long to of sand and dry fit, but the Easter egg was very close to the correct shape.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1014_zps0vmbiojk.jpg)

Aluminum paint over the egg.  Still some gaps to fill.

Main gear painted.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1019_zpsacuygshk.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: KiwiZac on July 19, 2015, 03:14:32 pm
Nice work! I was about to post a "bump" but you already beat me to it.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Mossie on July 20, 2015, 02:12:52 am
Excellent use of an Easter Egg! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I'll have to remember that one when filling curved gaps.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on July 23, 2015, 04:51:21 pm
On to the bomb bay doors.

Some RB-36's (and as molded out of the kit box ) had a single door covering bay #2 and #3, this door was a few feet longer than the bomber versions.  There were a surprising amount of variations for an aircraft that had such a short service life.  

The bomber versions had 2 sets of doors, one set covering #1 and #2, and another set covering #3 and #4.  Each set was 32.3 feet long, separated by a fixed divider between the sets.

Scratched up a divider between #2 and #3.  The "long" RB bomb bay door from the kit is displayed laying on the center spar.  The tabs on the door are for open display, you fold the door lengthwise along the fold line along.  This kit has really nice molding.  You do not fold the door and you remove the tabs for display in closed configuration.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1022_zpswzvwrawk.jpg)

Laying out the kit doors and a pair of resin copies I casted.  Resin in tan.  Gondor, have not forgotten your request- will cast another set and see if they are worthy.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1023_zpsykjlgomw.jpg)

Resin pair fit better on the forward bay.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1024_zpspngilqyz.jpg)

Final lay up. Tabs removed.  Still needs cleanup, priming. 

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1027_zpsijs5povt.jpg)

Lots of work, it would be much easier to build an RB out of the box, but again I wanted to have a big bay bomber version for my crop duster, and future plans such as mother ship, etc.  For me anyway the bomb bay and door modifications likely added 6-7 hours to the build.   These doors could still be displayed open or shut.  Crop duster will be displayed shut to better fit the spray apparatus waiting in the wings.  

No more updates for a week- off to Yellowstone with the family- I'll try not to get gored by a Bison while taking a selfie.... ;D

 
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on July 23, 2015, 05:11:41 pm
Wow she's really coming along now ! Lovely work on this giant beast.

You know what works great for scribing a line like that on 'concrete' ? An o-ring pick. Can usually get a wee pack of 4, with differing angles at any discount automotive store.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on August 09, 2015, 03:05:22 pm
"High-Altitude Camouflage" (anti-flash white) applied.  Lots of masking on this one.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1029_zps8gxsvv4k.jpg)

Had to re-spray the front bomb bay doors.  Apparently did not clean the resin well enough.  :banghead:

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1030_zpsowptebwb.jpg) 

Test fit of the wing.  Just taped, no glue yet, holding firmly.   

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1033_zpskbfums79.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 09, 2015, 03:07:15 pm
Jeepers, but that thing's HUGE!  :o :o
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitnut617 on August 09, 2015, 04:11:47 pm
wonderful job    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jeepers, but that thing's HUGE!  :o :o

Yeah! and I've got five of them ---
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on August 09, 2015, 06:05:59 pm
Yes she sure is ! Love the look  :wub:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Thorvic on August 10, 2015, 12:28:29 am
Jeepers, but that thing's HUGE!  :o :o

So are American Farm's !  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on August 14, 2015, 04:33:33 am
wonderful job    :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Jeepers, but that thing's HUGE!  :o :o

Yeah! and I've got five of them ---

Both of you shoudl buy shares in Alclad  ;D

And I agree, its looking fantastic  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Weaver on August 14, 2015, 07:06:39 am
It's looking great!  :thumbsup:

Jeepers, but that thing's HUGE!  :o :o

So are American Farm's !  :thumbsup:

So are American houses: I'd need planning permission to build one of those. :blink:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on August 16, 2015, 01:23:20 pm
I haven't given up...yet!   ;D

Will be using airfoil shaped aluminum tubing for the sprayer bars.  Sourced from the RC section at the hobby shop.   Starting to think about placement, just a trial- they will likely be slightly swept.  Needs to clear the landing gear and jet pods, and come up with bracing....

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1035_zpsitrazoj5.jpg)

Will use wind driven impellers to turn pumps for the spray system.  Poor locusts.....

DH 88 propellers being sacrificed (pulled off my WHIF augmented powered Horsa).  You can see the engine/prop by the forward bomb bay.   

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1036_zpsr6d5aqkh.jpg)

Seems the B-36 props are a little larger than the DH88.....

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1037_zpsje8b0gdd.jpg)

-Dave

 
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Gondor on August 16, 2015, 01:33:17 pm
May I suggest that your spray bars be mounted behind the undercarriage but in front of the flap hinge line so that nothing from they will get ingested by the engines.

Gondor
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 16, 2015, 02:02:50 pm
That just HAS to be the first kitbash ever to use B-36 and DH88 bits in the same build!  :o
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on August 16, 2015, 06:02:10 pm
May I suggest that your spray bars be mounted behind the undercarriage but in front of the flap hinge line so that nothing from they will get ingested by the engines.

Gondor

Thanks- the spray bars will be swept much like the leading edge and will be well behind and below the 4360 intakes on the leading edge.  Will be under the wing about where the underside of wing transitions to the anti-flash white.  I tried behind the gear, but that got too close to the props and flaps.  
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on August 17, 2015, 01:47:29 pm
Epic. What a beauty giant you're creating !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kerick on August 17, 2015, 06:44:08 pm
May I suggest that your spray bars be mounted behind the undercarriage but in front of the flap hinge line so that nothing from they will get ingested by the engines.

Gondor

Thanks- the spray bars will be swept much like the leading edge and will be well behind and below the 4360 intakes on the leading edge.  Will be under the wing about where the underside of wing transitions to the anti-flash white.  I tried behind the gear, but that got too close to the props and flaps.  

You don't want to get the spray chemicals on the airframe. Could be corrosive.

This has to be one of the strangest Whiffs out there and I love it!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: KiwiZac on August 18, 2015, 01:22:33 am
Quite right, kerick - I worked at an aerial agriculture company and the aircraft all had a special coating on the lower fuselage to prevent the fertiliser etc from damaging it. Note the grey strip along the bottom, helpfully indicated by me:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/Fletchers/100_0923b.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/Fletchers/100_0923b.jpg.html)

Amazing stuff, and I love the spray motor!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on August 18, 2015, 02:05:02 am
I found these pics of a Norseman 'duster being refilled.  Have you given any thought to how they'd fill a B-36?  You'd need a substantially bigger truck...
(http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/norseman/images/img18.jpeg)
(http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/norseman/images/img19.jpeg)
http://www.goodall.com.au/australian-aviation/norseman/norseman.htm

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Old Wombat on August 18, 2015, 03:16:40 am
Quite right, kerick - I worked at an aerial agriculture company and the aircraft all had a special coating on the lower fuselage to prevent the fertiliser etc from damaging it. Note the grey strip along the bottom, helpfully indicated by me:
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a388/ZacYates/Fletchers/100_0923b.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/ZacYates/media/Fletchers/100_0923b.jpg.html)

Amazing stuff, and I love the spray motor!

Pity they forgot to coat the wings & tail section. :blink:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Mossie on August 18, 2015, 05:40:08 am
Glad to see your still going with this one, looking great! :thumbsup:

I found these pics of a Norseman 'duster being refilled.  Have you given any thought to how they'd fill a B-36?  You'd need a substantially bigger truck...

A permanent station with a tank farm or given the nature of Sadiego's backstory all happening in one summer, a fleet of large articulated tankers.  Both these approaches are used in aerial firefighting.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on August 18, 2015, 08:00:44 am
Nah, just taxi up to a fixed tank or silo.  ;D

(https://railtown1897.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/jim-wren-petticoat-junction-19651.jpg)

(https://railtown1897.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/jamestown-water-tank-sept-1971-id19392.jpg)

(http://www.railroad-line.com/forum/data/workwright/2013113124944_water%20tank2.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on August 18, 2015, 09:56:00 am
Mossie has it right, liquid insecticide loaded loaded via trucks....lots of them.  I have given the loading a bit of thought.  

I believe Zenrats photos show the Norseman being loaded for a more solid/dry type aerial application, with a gravity feed hopper type arrangement.  I do not see liquid spray bars on the Norseman, so perhaps this is a "dry" crop duster.  I am aware some crops dusters can carry various dry or liquids or a slurry.  Happy to be corrected.  

Jon, I do like the idea of pulling under a big tank and filling up  :thumbsup:

So I am thinking a pesticide/insecticide dissolved in a water "carrier" solution.   So how much pesticide/insecticide?  Later versions of the B-36 could carry about 36,000 gallons of fuel.  There was a wide array of bomb bay tank configurations through the program, some later deleted, and some sources say all four bomb bays could hold auxiliary fuel tanks, but a 3,000 gallon tank in bomb-bay number 3 was common and is often referenced.  So I figure at least this tank and some other bomb bay tanks could be converted for liquid insecticide- or some of the regular fuel tanks (especially the later 4,000+ gallon wing tanks added later).  I figure you would be out of insecticide long before fuel (I don't imagine 48 hour dusting sorties  :o) so less fuel could be carried.  Max payload often referenced as 72,000 pounds, but lots of variables with different fuel loads, etc.

10,000 gallons of insecticide would weigh around 83,000 pounds (using water weight- have not calculated specific gravity...)    

Thanks for the tips on underside corrosion protection- the antiflash white could help here.  But this was a "crash" program, so long term corrosion was not a top concern.  

So in conclusion- lot and lots of liquid insecticide.  

Thanks for the comments and interest!   Dave          
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: kitnut617 on August 18, 2015, 06:15:41 pm
Considering it would only be able to operate from a very few airfields (for weight restrictions), why not just have a underground piping system and just pump it into the holding tanks from the apron it would park on.  ---
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on August 19, 2015, 03:27:55 am
Airbourne refilling?

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 19, 2015, 05:19:54 am

Airbourne refilling?


Yeah, with the Hughes Spruce Goose as the tanker!  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on August 22, 2015, 03:24:37 pm

Airbourne refilling?


Yeah, with the Hughes Spruce Goose as the tanker!  ;D :lol:

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: KiwiZac on August 24, 2015, 09:48:34 pm
When the DC-3 was used for topdressing they made giant conveyor belts to load them with fertiliser. Some not-great photos of the apparatus here: http://rnzaf.proboards.com/thread/12310/ag-dak-photos?page=3

Pity they forgot to coat the wings & tail section. :blink:
;D I do actually have a wing! Well...most of it...
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on August 29, 2015, 10:53:39 am
"Seeded" and weathered the new airfield....48 inches by 48 inches  :o      - 1/72 Belvedere Gunship for scale.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1042_zpsrheqsrph.jpg)  

The girl needs some color....

Replaced the Strategic Air Command "Stars and Bars" with a more suitable color.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1038_zpse4uy5ksm.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1039_zpszqyuplmm.jpg)

Will be adding some more trim color.  Then on to the spray bars.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1040_zpshwwsm5ci.jpg)
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: zenrat on August 29, 2015, 05:57:54 pm
Despite having one I think i'm just beginning to appreciate the size of this thing.
If there was a B-36 SIG, at a show they'd need most of the tables...
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: NARSES2 on August 30, 2015, 01:23:39 am
I've seen 3 on a normal sized show table before, most of the other exhibits were placed around their wings, plenty of room  ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 30, 2015, 04:01:06 am
There was one on a stand at the MK show and it had a Sabre standing ON one of its wings!  ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on August 30, 2015, 08:20:48 am
The base ( at 4 foot square it's probably got it's own zip ) looks great ! It looks huge...until you put the B-36 on it !

 :bow:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: sandiego89 on September 07, 2015, 11:08:41 am
Finished!   Nearly killed me.... :thumbsup:

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1094_zpsv7ksxgko.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1102_zpsiufcf3ks.jpg)

Spray nozzles from 20MM anti aircraft guns- liberated from a 1/700 Sky Wave LST.

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(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1058_zpsrb2wsxjd.jpg)

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Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Steel Penguin on September 07, 2015, 11:15:07 am
 :blink:  wow that's BIG
but looking well smart an all
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Librarian on September 07, 2015, 11:37:38 am
Truly stunning, a work of great imagination and skill. Love the B-36 and it's a joy to see an alternate vision for her :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: sandiego89 on September 07, 2015, 11:39:38 am
Thank you!   a few more photos:

Skyhawk and Sea Fury for scale- all 1/72 scale.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1160_zpsbhjmlek4.jpg)

The DH88 propellor is used as an impeller to supply pump pressure to get the insecticide out to the massive spray bars.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1155_zpsxcahrsmv.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1151_zpsh0mekdig.jpg)

Near the end of the build, the nose wheels sat about a half inch off the ground.  I dare not cut the main strut on the man gear, but I cut off the front boggie (2 front tires, their axle and support strut) of each main gear so the aircraft sat on the rear tires and the nose gear came down.  Re-glued the front wheels on the mains a tad higher.  
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1051_zps7tmicvww.jpg)

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF1050_zpsfocntbel.jpg)

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Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Gondor on September 07, 2015, 12:12:03 pm
I think you have just created the worlds biggest Biplane  :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Cobra on September 07, 2015, 12:26:09 pm
Awesome :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: This is a Masterpiece You Built! You did a Superb Job :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: The Big Gimper on September 07, 2015, 12:57:18 pm
Gen Lemay is rolling over in his grave right now.  :rolleyes:

BTW can I ask for an take-out order of In-N-Out Burgers? Haven't had one in two years.
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 07, 2015, 02:42:05 pm
That is positively AWESOME, in all senses of the word. A superb job, and I love the insecticide pumps on the boom, a prefect final touch.  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster
Post by: Captain Canada on September 07, 2015, 02:55:37 pm
Finished!   Nearly killed me.... :thumbsup:

Why, did you drop it on yourself ?  :thumbsup: looks great ! Love the spray bar and nozzles ( great idea there ! ) that really turned out and sure sets of the idea.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on September 07, 2015, 03:46:00 pm
Absolutely magnificent in concept and detail! Wonderful! :bow:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: sandiego89 on September 07, 2015, 06:42:21 pm
Gen Lemay is rolling over in his grave right now.  :rolleyes:

BTW can I ask for an take-out order of In-N-Out Burgers? Haven't had one in two years.

Ha Ha, I am sure the good general would hate it  ;)    - and I miss In-N-Out burgers as well.  I grew up in Califronia, but am now about 2,400 miles away in Virginia so no In-N-Out here  :angry:  

Captain, the paint and size just zapped me.  A really great kit, but that much natural aluminum and the scratch building portions were a real challenge for my skills.  And my 4 foot by four foot "airport" was too small!   :banghead:

Happy with the results, but happy to be done. 

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Ed S on September 07, 2015, 07:40:03 pm
WOW



Most impressive. :thumbsup:



Ed

Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: zenrat on September 08, 2015, 03:02:59 am
Very very impressive.
Good job Dave.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 08, 2015, 03:48:42 am
This is literally so great... and totally nuts! Love it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Captain Canada on September 08, 2015, 04:23:02 am
Not crazy when you realize there are farm fields over 10,000 acres in size in North America.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: The Big Gimper on September 08, 2015, 04:58:46 am
So the fields located Saskatchewan can be dusted in only one day?  :rolleyes:

Nice. 
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: NARSES2 on September 08, 2015, 07:38:13 am
Stunning  :bow:

As Gondor says about "the worlds biggest biplane" I just wonder if the spray boom added any lift ?  :blink:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: KiwiZac on September 08, 2015, 02:19:30 pm
Ooof. WOW! I'm lost for words! Brilliant!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: bearmatt on September 09, 2015, 02:27:32 pm
Holy CROP !

There's no grass growing anymore, where this beast is flying over  :wacko: :drink:

Fantastic built
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 09, 2015, 02:43:11 pm
Six turning, four burning and TWENTY EIGHT spraying!  :o
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: DogfighterZen on September 09, 2015, 02:52:56 pm
 :o Beautiful big thing! Armed to the teeth against all plagues! I want one of those for my vineyards!! ;D
Great work!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: sandiego89 on September 09, 2015, 06:37:00 pm
Six turning, four burning and TWENTY EIGHT spraying!  :o

Good count!  ;D    I had three skywave/pit road LST's in the stash, 1/700 scale.  That gave me 30 of the 20mm guns, so I targeted 28 for the B-36 and 2 to pay homage to the mighty carpet monster- she must be fed.....

The poor locusts did not stand a chance from the mighty Peacemaker.....
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: The Rat on September 09, 2015, 07:09:32 pm
GOBSMACKED!  :bow: :bow: :cheers:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: Mossie on September 10, 2015, 01:22:37 am
Wow, amazing.  :wub: :wub: :wub: Fantastic job and I'm impressed on the amount of effort you've put in. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: zenrat on September 10, 2015, 02:39:49 am
It's the Pyrethrum Overcast...
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: JoeP on September 17, 2015, 10:42:46 am
Crop-spraying, one whole state at a time.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished
Post by: sandiego89 on March 03, 2018, 12:09:06 pm
Just getting back to reloading some of my images now that I switched to Imageshack.



(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/7oGabP.jpg)

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Turned the RB into a B.  Scratched up the entire bomb bar interior with the lattice and rescribed the bomb bay doors

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Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: Weaver on March 03, 2018, 01:11:33 pm
An utterly amazing project!  :thumbsup:

Do you mind if I post some of your pics on Twitter, with full credit of course?
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: McColm on March 03, 2018, 01:44:50 pm
Brilliant work :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 03, 2018, 01:54:41 pm
In a similar category to the Track Rover.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: ysi_maniac on March 03, 2018, 06:05:36 pm
Absolutely crazy and amazing too!!!
 :thumbsup: :wub: :thumbsup: :wub:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: TheChronicOne on March 03, 2018, 07:08:12 pm
Thank God!! I came around about a month ago wanting to look at pics of this again.  ;D
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: Cobra on March 03, 2018, 09:32:16 pm
Superb Build :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: if You Decide to try Another B-36, how about doing one for the U.S. Coast Guard for Heavy Air Sea Rescue Calls? Keep up the Superb Work :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: NARSES2 on March 04, 2018, 01:23:48 am
Great build  :thumbsup:

Just wondering what it would be like as a firefighter, then remembered "Magnesium Cloud"  :angel:
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: Weaver on March 04, 2018, 07:47:05 pm
Superb Build :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: if You Decide to try Another B-36, how about doing one for the U.S. Coast Guard for Heavy Air Sea Rescue Calls? Keep up the Superb Work :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan

That's actually a pretty cool idea. Imagine the size of the air-deployable lifeboat it could drop! It's be the size and shape of a canal narrowboat!
Title: Re: B-36 Crop duster- Finished *image reload last page*
Post by: McColm on March 04, 2018, 07:56:14 pm
This is where I got the inspiration to build the cargo/freighter version from. :thumbsup: