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GROUP BUILDS => The 2015 One Week Build => Topic started by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 04, 2015, 04:16:16 am

Title: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 04, 2015, 04:16:16 am
Made a start!
In my whifworld in 1956 Western Germany bought the unfinished HMS Leviathan to be completed as an angled-deck carrier - the new Graf Zeppelin.
With the gap in training after WW2 the Navy felt that a training version of their new Sea Hawks was necessary - the Sea Hawk T.103.(http://)
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Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 04, 2015, 05:14:20 am
Now THAT looks interesting!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: kitbasher on April 04, 2015, 06:15:39 am
Yess!
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Knightflyer on April 04, 2015, 07:00:53 am
Very nice!  ;D It's got a bit of an Eastern European look about it?
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Captain Canada on April 04, 2015, 07:50:56 am
Does look interesting. Looking forward to watching it progress.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: kitbasher on April 04, 2015, 09:28:13 am
Very nice!  ;D It's got a bit of an Eastern European look about it?

Ooh no, not to me.  Rather Grumman with a hint of Bell P-59 Airacomet I think.
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Howard of Effingham on April 04, 2015, 10:13:10 am
why didn't hawker think of this one? :)

glad you did glenn!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Weaver on April 05, 2015, 07:44:10 am
Made a start!
In my whifworld in 1956 Western Germany bought the unfinished HMS Leviathan to be completed as an angled-deck carrier - the new Graf Zeppelin.
With the gap in training after WW2 the Navy felt that a training version of their new Sea Hawks was necessary - the Sea Hawk T.103.(http://)
http://s165.photobucket.com/user/glenngilbertson/media/P1190565_zpslny31gep.jpg.html?filters[user]=38386830&filters[recent]=1&sort=1&o=4
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/glenngilbertson/P1190570_zpssvyg8yvm.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/glenngilbertson/P1190577_zpsddi7sqxk.jpg

Nice project! I thought of something similar recently, but using the front end of a Vampire/Venom two-seater.

BTW, if you want your pics to appear in the thread, just add
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Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 05, 2015, 08:13:05 am
Very nice!  ;D It's got a bit of an Eastern European look about it?

It has a certain Polish touch... can't tell why, but this conversion looks really good! Gotta keep that in mind.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: kitbasher on April 05, 2015, 08:55:33 am
Nice project! I thought of something similar recently, but using the front end of a Vampire/Venom two-seater.

Ditto, using parts from the Merlin Vampire T.11.  Work started last year, currently in the to-do pile.
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 05, 2015, 11:48:50 am
Thanks for your encouragement!
Was worried about the nose length, but it seems to have the approximate proportions of an Aero Albatros.
Have coated the Milliput to check the shape - the wet-finger technique has worked surprisingly well.
Nose and (single-seat) spine from Matchbox Hunter. Not done any super-detailing, just boxed in undercarriage bays, drilled some holes to add some interest to wheel hubs, and fuse-wire handles to ejection seats.
Thanks also for the photo advice - hope this works!
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Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Bungle on April 06, 2015, 03:25:53 am
 :thumbsup:


Gobsmacked.*


*translations available if required.

Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Captain Canada on April 06, 2015, 03:52:46 am
How to take a pair of distinct aeroplanes and make them disappear !

 :tornado:

Lovely. Really coming along now.

 :wub:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: sandiego89 on April 06, 2015, 05:35:57 am
That is ugggggllllly- but ugly in a perfect WHIF way!   

Nice job. 
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: KiwiZac on April 06, 2015, 04:27:47 pm
Nicely done! It looks so right!
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 06, 2015, 11:55:59 pm
Looks very good!

I only have the (personal) impression that the fin is somewhat small, or the tail could take a little extension? Looks somewhat nose-heavy?
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 08, 2015, 11:45:36 am
Haven't gone away - Day-glo seemed like such a good idea. Six coats later .... [imghttp://(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u68/glenngilbertson/P1190588_zps6gt4rzlq.jpg) (http://s165.photobucket.com/user/glenngilbertson/media/P1190588_zps6gt4rzlq.jpg.html)][/img]

Take your point on the nose, Dizzyfugu - but the British answer in those days would have been to bung some lead in the back if necessary!
Does anybody know the comparative weights of an MB ejector seat vs 4x 20mm cannon?
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: JayBee on April 08, 2015, 12:01:09 pm
Absolutely right about the 'British' answer to the problem.
This is looking so good.
I do confess that I have ideas for a two seat Seahawk, but mine, if I ever get around to building it will be tandem.

Jim
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: KiwiZac on April 09, 2015, 07:02:54 pm
Looking good, Mr G!
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Supertom on April 10, 2015, 08:13:13 am
I was wondering why it looked so familar to me, then I realized that it resembles a stretched out version of the Saab 105! Neat!
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 10, 2015, 10:57:21 am
Thanks to everybody who has given encouragement - I hope that you like the result.

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The Gannet trainer was delivered to Germany in the then-current standard British training scheme, so I decided to stick with High- speed Silver (Humbrol 11) and fluorescent Fire Orange, but assumed that drop-tanks would have been standard in Sky.

Not the greatest model in the world, but it has been fun. The one-week build was just what i needed to focus and get something finished - thanks for organising, Narses.

It will be interesting to see the other interpretations of a Sea Hawk trainer in the future.
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 11, 2015, 01:13:48 am
Lovely! :bow:  Still looks odd, but the idea is lovely and the lines blend surprisingly well. Love the drop tanks in Sky, nice contrast.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: NARSES2 on April 11, 2015, 05:54:04 am
I was wondering why it looked so familar to me, then I realized that it resembles a stretched out version of the Saab 105! Neat!

It was bothering me as well and now I've just gone "of course ! That's it"

Looking really good Glen  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 11, 2015, 06:04:21 am
Terrific idea, and so obviously 'Hawker' too.  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: kitnut617 on April 11, 2015, 06:04:44 am
That definitely came together very well and the end result shows it   :thumbsup:  well done!
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Captain Canada on April 11, 2015, 06:24:21 am
Very nice ! Looks so different, yet so familiar ! Love the look of this one. It's another of those aeroplanes I'd like to have to 'fly' around the room. Love the colours and markings as well. Great stuff !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Weaver on April 11, 2015, 04:18:10 pm
That looks excellent - well done!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: rickshaw on April 11, 2015, 07:35:02 pm
Very nicely done.  Looks the part!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 12, 2015, 10:56:31 am
Thanks for all the kind words.

Now I think about it, it looks a bit like the Morane Saulnier MS 760 Paris  - so who will come up with a four seat Sea Hawk?
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Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Nick on April 12, 2015, 12:10:59 pm
Nice work!  :thumbsup:
The shape reminds me of the Polish Iskra. How did you find the Fire Orange paint, did it go on easy or was it lumpy and streaky like mine?
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Glenn Gilbertson on April 12, 2015, 02:56:48 pm
Thanks, Nick Oh, Fire Orange! Yes, stir as I might, lumpy & streaky. Took seven coats, all rubbed down with at least 12 hours between coats until the sun came out to speed things up. Yellow bands wouldn't have been so interesting, though.
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Weaver on April 12, 2015, 06:31:10 pm
When I've done dayglo, I've use a spray paint from a car shop. Gives a good colour, but the spray is very dusty and gets everywhere. The painted surface is dusty too, so you have to decide to clear coat it immedately if you want the slightly matt look, or rub ALL of it down carefully, because it looks very different when you rub the surface dust off.

You could pretty much do the four-seat Seahawk or Hunter by just siamesing two two-seater front ends together. If you don't want to use up two Hunter kits, another good source of a four-seater canopy is the old Revell/Monogram AD-5 Skyraider, which can be picked up very cheaply.
Title: Re: Sea Hawk Rhinoplasty
Post by: Weaver on May 07, 2015, 07:51:55 am
Didn't want to distract from your thread Glenn, but the picture code still isn't quite right. It should be like this:

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That way you don't get extraneous bits of gobbldigook around the images. :thumbsup: