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Title: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 07, 2014, 03:01:43 am
Here is a a pic of my Heller 1/72 P-39Q that I'm doing as a 1/48 Electric powered homebuilt. I'm waiting on some parts from some kits in the mail before I do any more to it. Behind it is a taped together Matchbox Buffalo with slightly shortened PM VB Spitfire wings.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture306_zps4debf719.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on October 07, 2014, 08:48:26 am
Lovely! :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: major on October 07, 2014, 04:49:32 pm
WOW!!!! Loving the P-39, and the spit wings on the buffalo, look kinda, strangely, right! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 07, 2014, 06:26:44 pm
Thank you Tophe!

WOW!!!! Loving the P-39, and the spit wings on the buffalo, look kinda, strangely, right! :thumbsup:

Thank you. Yes I think they suit the Buffalo. Spiffalo? Buffire?

It has a bit of a Seversky look to it I think. The pics don't really show it but at certain angles when I'm holding it and squint it almost looks like a stubby P-47.

Here is a pic on it's own:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture032_zps5b207b14.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on October 07, 2014, 07:11:10 pm
Nice....very sleek looking !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 07, 2014, 11:32:57 pm
Both look cool, the P-39 looks fast...  :thumbsup:

Wonder where the Buffalo's landing gear goes? Did you modify the Spitfire's wings and close/move the wells?  :unsure:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 08, 2014, 01:45:38 am
The Spitfire wings are from a basic PM VB, they have no wells at all, just a small hole for the landing gear. I wanted to use the Buffalo landing gear in the extended position but I broke a piece when cutting it from the sprue, so I will do it wheels up and put it on a stand. Makes life easier that way too as I only need to scribe an outline on the bottom of the wing, if it were wheels down I'd need to hollow out some areas.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on October 08, 2014, 02:44:37 am
Buttfire?

They both look good Brad. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 01, 2014, 10:00:59 am
Links replaced with pics.

Here is 2 more of the Airacobra.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture226_zpse45218e0.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture286_zps92313f28.jpg)

I have done nothing to it even though I have received the donor kit I was waiting on because the spats I was planning to use from that kit suit something else I have dry assembled ;D so it still looks the same as in those pics that were taken at least 4-5 weeks ago :rolleyes: I will finish it...one day.

The problem with the Airacobra build is that I have been sidetracked by 3 other models that will be using parts from kits that I already have including a Vultee Vengeance, a Ju87, a Grumman Panther and 2 x VB Spitfires. I still need 1 or 2 more kits for parts but I have enough to make a start. I have been doing a lot of drawing and dry fitting but no glue has been added to anything yet.

As for the Buffalo it probably won't keep the Spitfire wings, I only have 2 Buffalo kits and already have plans for both. Although I do like the look.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: JayBee on November 01, 2014, 10:20:37 am
Yes I think they suit the Buffalo. Spiffalo? Buffire?

No, No, No. It is clearly a GRUFFALO.  :wacko:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gruffalo&client=firefox-a&hs=2TJ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kxVVVImTEqWY7gatqYGIAg&ved=0CDQQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=789

http://www.gruffalo.com/


Jim
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 08, 2014, 08:25:24 am
I have been doing a lot of thinking and the 'Gruffalo' ;) may get built after all. I have also been gathering parts for a floatplane and a flying boat that I will take pics of after glue gets applied.

That aside I have been doing some drawings on MS Paint. Mostly of the P-39 and here they are:

This is a very basic and not really accurate line drawing of how my P-39 is set out now. I do like it but it still looks too much like a P-39, so I have done five basic line drawings of potential ideas to change it further.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/p39_zps85a74a6b.png)

1. I simply clipped the wings and tail surfaces, slightly tapered the trailing edge of the elevators and changed the rudder hinge line.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/p39-1_zps9f38ea5d.png)

2. I changed the wing shape (would need to be scratched from styrene sheet or maybe balsa wood) and added a T-tail.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/p39-2_zps9d329b2e.png)

3. Basically the same as 2 but the spinner has been blended into a solid nose and I have added two podded micro turbines (to be made from the middle section of a suitable size bomb).
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/p39-3_zps757cffd3.png)

4. Similar to 3 but the nose has been inverted from in front of the canopy, the wing has been moved back a little and changed outline and tip tanks added.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/p39-4_zps694ba795.png)

5. Inspired by Dizzyfugu's Bell P-76A 'Airaconda', a micro turbine powered canard.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/p39-5_zps46d9a645.png)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 08, 2014, 08:31:50 pm
Cool.  MS Paint can be a pig to get good curves with.  Good work.
No.4 looks best.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 08, 2014, 09:09:10 pm
Cool.  MS Paint can be a pig to get good curves with.  Good work.
No.4 looks best.


Indeed it is a pig. We have two laptops, the Acer that I'm using now is useless, will operate almost nothing, if it didn't work on the net it would be on the rubbish dump right now. The other laptop is a ancient Highlander that I use for games. MS Paint is the most spiffy drawing program they both will run. When SWMBO is on the net (almost always) I draw with Paint (or play games) on the Highlander and transfer the images when I can. All will be good when we finally get our own house/flat/unit and I can bring our PC out of storage and find a good program.

MS Paint has served me well in the past with R/C models, as none of my own builds have been scale models (all my scale R/C's are either ARF or kits), just sport's, I do a basic outline of what I want on Paint, transfer that onto graph paper and draw the full size plan by hand, adding details as I go (such as Angle Of Attack, washout, curves etc...). Now that I'm shifting focus to scale static models I need a better program.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 09, 2014, 02:17:33 am
Way back in the dim mists of antiquity (we are talking Windows 3.1 days) I used to draw motorbikes and scooters in Paint when I was supposed to be working.  It is basic but can do good things when you get the hang of it.  Which you obviously have.
It's saving grace IMO was the ability to adjust individual pixels.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: perttime on November 09, 2014, 04:08:06 am
Paint and Paint.net are good for manipulating individual pixels.
With Paint.net, you can also do something with individual objects, if you put them in separate layers. For many things, I like Inkscape because it works in vector format where you manipulate, lines, objects, fills, etc - instead of pixels.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 23, 2014, 11:38:08 pm
Please ignore the copious amount of tape, I want to do a twin jet Stuka some time but I need to wait until I buy another kit. Until then I have Stuka wings and Panther fuselage leftovers and the Academy Stuka has a second canopy for the open option so I taped it all together to see what it would look like and I kinda like it. The Stuka's tailwheel is a good fit in the hole for the Panther's tailhook too.

Thinking a tail boom similar to a Iskra, with a dihedral horizontal stabilizer and twin fins similar to the Ju-290.

Or canard, but I like the boom idea best.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture197_zps9db42a4c.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 23, 2014, 11:51:51 pm
Interesting.
Would inverted butterfly canards do away with the need for a vertical tail?
That way you could put a large gun turret (or an Empire Strikes Back style harpoon gun) at the back, remotely targeted from the back seat.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2014, 12:18:23 am
Interesting.
Would inverted butterfly canards do away with the need for a vertical tail?
That way you could put a large gun turret (or an Empire Strikes Back style harpoon gun) at the back, remotely targeted from the back seat.

I like your thinking, even if inverted butterfly canards were not enough wing tip fins could be a option...

But a harpoon gun? How many AT-AT's were encountered in the 1940's? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 24, 2014, 01:56:26 am
Well, there were those that made landfall at the Koorong from Adolf's secret Antarctic base in '46.  Made it as far as Talem Bend before being stopped by the Murray Bridge Militia...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2014, 02:10:34 am
Well, there were those that made landfall at the Koorong from Adolf's secret Antarctic base in '46.  Made it as far as Talem Bend before being stopped by the Murray Bridge Militia...

Fair nuff. ;D

P.S. Is there a meaning to the spelling of 'Koorong', or is that a typo? :-\
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2014, 02:13:58 am
Here is roughly how it would look with boom and twin fins, the boom could probably be a bit longer. I'll draw the canards soon to see what they would look like.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/ju87gjetStuka_zps14629ee3.png)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2014, 02:23:49 am
And this is what I want to do to a Stuka. I have no idea if the size of the engines are correct as the 262 and Ju-87 drawings I obtained are not marked with scale, I simply chose two drawings that "looked" about right using the size of the canopy as a reference. That's also why it is a early model Ju-87 in the drawing, couldn't find a late model stuka the right size to match the 262. If anyone else wants to build this feel free.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/ju87jetsabovewings3v_zps80111ed2.png)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 24, 2014, 02:27:46 am
But a harpoon gun? How many AT-AT's were encountered in the 1940's? :rolleyes:

(http://spd.fotolog.com/photo/61/27/58/at_atwalker/1252192538577_f.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_56C-ixCTGN4/TBQkI25w_eI/AAAAAAAAC_0/uSLmYdY5u10/s400/WWII_ATAT3.jpg)


Any questions! A harpoon is a MUST!  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2014, 04:15:45 am
 :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on November 24, 2014, 09:13:54 am
Nice ! Both projects are going to be followed closely. I like the second Stuka better tho, more traditional I guess.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on November 24, 2014, 04:35:29 pm
P.S. Is there a meaning to the spelling of 'Koorong', or is that a typo? :-\

I thought the same thing for a moment, then I thought "Meh, he's a Victorian!" :P
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2014, 05:13:19 pm
But a harpoon gun? How many AT-AT's were encountered in the 1940's? :rolleyes:

(http://spd.fotolog.com/photo/61/27/58/at_atwalker/1252192538577_f.jpg)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_56C-ixCTGN4/TBQkI25w_eI/AAAAAAAAC_0/uSLmYdY5u10/s400/WWII_ATAT3.jpg)


Any questions! A harpoon is a MUST!  ;D

I am no good at identifying armour, are they allied tanks and soldiers around those AT-AT's? Coz if Adolf had them in Antartica then the AT-AT's would be German, they wouldn't need to trip up their own machines with a harpoon armed Stuka, unless the Brit's capture one I suppose...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2014, 05:20:32 pm
Nice ! Both projects are going to be followed closely. I like the second Stuka better tho, more traditional I guess.

 :cheers:

May need to wait a while for any progress Captain, I cannot afford any kits at the moment so I cannot start the second Stuka, and the first one I need to sort out stabilizers and the like and I tend to procrastinate... a lot :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on November 24, 2014, 11:58:32 pm
Thanks a lot for your nicely crazy projects! :thumbsup: I have Zwillinged your Ju-87-jet at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20326.1905.html
Thanks again!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 25, 2014, 12:35:03 am
Koorong - Coorong.  Meh! :banghead:
You both knew where I meant.
I haven't driven that way for a while and forgot that when the first white man transcribed the local name for "place of brackish water and many pelicans" he chose to use a C and not a K.

Good pics Dizz.

Given the large German descended population of South Australia it wouldn't be impossible for a relative who worked in the Junkers factory to have posted a Stuka over in bits.

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 25, 2014, 05:07:51 am
Thanks a lot for your nicely crazy projects! :thumbsup: I have Zwillinged your Ju-87-jet at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20326.1905.html
Thanks again!

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 25, 2014, 05:30:25 am
Given the large German descended population of South Australia it wouldn't be impossible for a relative who worked in the Junkers factory to have posted a Stuka over in bits.

What you have typed there has given me several idea's.

More Stuka kits to the shopping list.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 26, 2014, 02:19:35 am
Something along the lines of Johnny Cash's Cadillac?

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on November 26, 2014, 07:13:10 am
Something along the lines of Johnny Cash's Cadillac?



"Its a '49, '50, '51, '52, '53,.........

http://www.metrolyrics.com/one-piece-at-a-time-lyrics-johnny-cash.html
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 27, 2014, 01:12:49 am
Something along the lines of Johnny Cash's Cadillac?



I know absolutely nothing about Johnny Cash and even less about Cadillac's sorry.

Have done some drawings on MS Paint of the F9F/Ju-87 thing with canards, it won't be built that way. I think the nose is too short and the only way to get the canards a decent distance in front of the wing is to give them forward sweep and that just looks wrong. I'll probably take it apart and put the bits back into the slowly filling much needed spares box and use the spats on the P-39 as that's what I originally brought the Stuka for, and use the tailwheel on the Stuka's fuselage that has new wings. I'm having difficulty coming up with a reason or mission to explain the wing change but it is going ahead because I think it looks good.

I have shortened the tabs on the Vengeance wings to match the slimmer Stuka fuselage and cut slots for said tabs. I have also cut the belly section from the Stuka's wings to fill in the gaping hole in the bottom of the fuselage. It will require a small amount of filler around the wing root but that is about all so far.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture135_zpsa5764b9a.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 27, 2014, 01:32:56 am
Looks good.  Can you change the tailplanes?  They look a bit square with those wings.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 27, 2014, 02:39:04 am
Looks good.  Can you change the tailplanes?  They look a bit square with those wings.

I agree and I do plan to but I have nothing that suits the look at the moment and no real idea what to look for just yet, The Vengeance tail is being used on the Vengeance fuselage. It could also use a new fin but ditto problem.

I don't plan on building it like this but to me the square tailplanes do look good arranged as a T-tail, I think it looks like a skinny Piper Turbo Lance or similar. This pic was taken several weeks ago, the Stuka wings still have the middle section.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture054_zps0ac4fe46.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rhodri on November 27, 2014, 04:20:12 am
What if you positioned the tailplane similarly to those on a Whirlwind (http://www.whirlwindfighterproject.org/FA_18181s-website.jpg)?

You know, rather like the grand old Duke of York's men ... when they were only half-way up.  ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TallEng on November 27, 2014, 08:35:31 am
I like the Vengeance's wing looks good :thumbsup:
You could look here  http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.1395.html
At Logan's profiles, he's got some rather splendid Stuka based ones :wub:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on November 28, 2014, 12:37:15 am
This T-tail is nice, thanks! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 28, 2014, 12:50:29 am
I like the Whirlwind, I'm always on the lookout for a decent priced kit. I've found a couple too but it is always at a time when I can spend no money on it :banghead:.

Logan's work is impressive and I had missed those, thanks for the link TallEng :thumbsup:


I have found line drawings of all the aircraft I plan on modelling in the near future but it is all guesswork on my behalf as to the relative sizes of them. I'm planning things like Mistel combo's and would like to do some drawings first so doe's anyone have any 3 views or at least top and side views the same scale of:

Bf 110C
Bf 110G or H
Bf 109E
Bf 109G or F
Me 262 of any variant
Fw 190A
Fw 190D-9
Ju 87G

Preferably bitmap images, but can use gif or jpeg. And not too big so I can fit everything into a medium size page. Would be great if I could get hold of drawings of the 110's and 262 with and without nacelles in the side view.

I know it's a big ask, can anyone help?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 28, 2014, 01:22:44 am
Hmmmm.  There's a triple decker mistel in that lot.  Bf 109 on Bf 110 on Ju 88.
The 109 to provide fighter cover while the 110 makes the approach run in to the target.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 28, 2014, 05:21:38 am
Hmmmm.  There's a triple decker mistel in that lot.  Bf 109 on Bf 110 on Ju 88.
The 109 to provide fighter cover while the 110 makes the approach run in to the target.


No Ju 88 in the list :P

Also not in the list but as a triple decker mistel why not Bf 109 on Bf 110 on Ju 52? And to keep in the 1, 2, 3 engines sequence the whole lot on top of a Ju 290 ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 30, 2014, 12:41:13 am
I like your thinking.

I misread Ju 87 as Ju 88 and then when I realised carried on with the post anyway.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 30, 2014, 01:46:14 am
That fuselage/wing combo looks VERY good! Got to put it on the idea list...  :thumbsup:

Concerning the tail... IMHO the T-tail would be very impractical if the rear gunner station remains where it is - directly in the field of fire, even worse than on the original Ju 87? How about twin fins, Bf 110 or He 219 style?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 30, 2014, 06:08:03 am
That fuselage/wing combo looks VERY good! Got to put it on the idea list...  :thumbsup:
Glad you like, and do put it on your list, I'd love to see your version :cheers:

Using Academy Ju-87G and NOVO Vengeance the wing's are rather close in chord, thickness and span :thumbsup:


Concerning the tail... IMHO the T-tail would be very impractical if the rear gunner station remains where it is - directly in the field of fire, even worse than on the original Ju 87? How about twin fins, Bf 110 or He 219 style?

Yeah I thought the same, only stuck the tailplane on top out of boredom, it was never going to be assembled like that.

I do really like the look of twin fin's on almost anything, I plan on doing a standard Ju-87G with twin fins sometime, as if Junkers had carried the prototype's layout into the production aircraft. A twin fin tail on the Vengeance winged Stuka may happen ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 30, 2014, 09:04:56 pm
Given the large German descended population of South Australia it wouldn't be impossible for a relative who worked in the Junkers factory to have posted a Stuka over in bits.

What you have typed there has given me several idea's.

More Stuka kits to the shopping list.

One of those idea's is to build a RAAF Stuka as if the CAC got hold of the blueprints somehow (possibly from a immigrant's family member in the Junkers factory) and the shipping from Europe of a captured Stuka to be reverse engineered and used for patterns, using a engine from another RAAF operated type. Preferably a radial.

I have a separate idea for a RAAF Beaufort that will require two kit's to build (no it's not a Zwilling Beaufort... not a bad idea though) that would leave a engine and cowl spare. Would that be too big to put on a Stuka? The diameter of the prop looks rather large from the photo's I've seen.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on December 01, 2014, 11:17:16 am
That's really coming along now ! Looks awesome.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 15, 2015, 02:59:30 pm
I've not been doing much with plastic models lately, been sidetracked by R/C. I don't think this thread belongs in this section as I'll be mainly posting idea's and started projects not so much finished models, where would be a better place for it (maybe blogs?) and how can I move it or should I just start a new thread?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 30, 2015, 06:42:50 am
I have found a aircraft I'm going to build a (R/C) model of but I can only find 3 pictures of it using Google. It is called the Air Utility AU18-150, one of the Google pics is here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Air_Utility_AU18-150_NX68819_(5992320875).jpg

The other two are combined into this single pic:
http://www.aerofiles.com/airutility.jpg

Anyone have any other pictures or drawings of the AU18 I could get a copy of? Or knowledge of it having another name or being built under licence by another company?

It is a basic aircraft and a model that resembles it can be easily built but a 3-view for reference to get a proper outline would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 30, 2015, 10:26:11 am
I've never even HEARD of an AU-18 before, it sure is weird!  :o
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 30, 2015, 05:16:23 pm
It is a bit weird looking but to me it looks practical and rather simple. It also brings to light a very simple Fw 189 Whiff idea, what if the Fw 189 had a fixed tailwheel on each boom instead of the retractable wheel in the middle of the tailplane?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on January 31, 2015, 03:32:20 pm
Never heard of it either ! Pretty simple and wild looking ! The cockpit looks like an outlaw race car.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 01, 2015, 09:02:00 am
I have a question for anyone in the know, I have a Stuka that requires a tricycle landing gear to solve a tail clearance issue, would a fixed strut in front of the radiator (if that is what the first scoop underneath behind the prop is) block too much airflow? Or similar question, if the nosewheel was retractable would the strut cause problems in the down position if it was behind the radiator blocking some exit air? Or because this is what if does it really matter? :unsure:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 01, 2015, 09:11:26 am
I've never even HEARD of an AU-18 before, it sure is weird!  :o
Never heard of it either ! Pretty simple and wild looking ! The cockpit looks like an outlaw race car.

 :cheers:

I'd never heard of it before either, funny thing is it didn't turn up when doing my many searches on twin boom or twin engine aircraft etc... I found it by accident while looking up non aviation stuff :blink:

There is not much I have found about it afterward either. All I know is that it was American and powered by two 75hp Continental engines thanks to Wikipedea.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on February 02, 2015, 01:55:29 am
I have a question for anyone in the know, I have a Stuka that requires a tricycle landing gear to solve a tail clearance issue, would a fixed strut in front of the radiator (if that is what the first scoop underneath behind the prop is) block too much airflow? Or similar question, if the nosewheel was retractable would the strut cause problems in the down position if it was behind the radiator blocking some exit air? Or because this is what if does it really matter? :unsure:

If it's an aerofoil section strut so air flowed neatly around it then I don't think it'd be a problem.

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 02, 2015, 04:27:46 am
I have a question for anyone in the know, I have a Stuka that requires a tricycle landing gear to solve a tail clearance issue, would a fixed strut in front of the radiator (if that is what the first scoop underneath behind the prop is) block too much airflow? Or similar question, if the nosewheel was retractable would the strut cause problems in the down position if it was behind the radiator blocking some exit air? Or because this is what if does it really matter? :unsure:

If it's an aerofoil section strut so air flowed neatly around it then I don't think it'd be a problem.



Cheers Zenrat, that is what I wanted to hear :cheers:

But if it has retractable landing gear as I planned it to the strut wouldn't need to be airfoil section as it would deploy behind the scoop and the scoop could have a flap that opens when the gear is down to let more air exit. Solved ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 02, 2015, 05:03:12 am
I now have started:
*Yet unnamed electric (may get changed to a small turboprop) powered homebuilt aircraft from a P-39
*Re-scaled Brewster Buffalo as a 3/4 scale replica homebuilt
*Biplane ground attack Brewster Buffalo (Gruffalo)
*Twin Spitfire seaplane
*improved Ju-87 Stuka

I originally wanted to do a Buffalo with fixed spatted landing gear as my first whif, that has morphed into the biplane Buffalo and gained some hanger friends, I really have to finish one of them before I get an idea for the Bronco or Hornet that are the only complete kits I have left :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 04, 2015, 08:17:31 am
Out of the above list to make myself focus and to make some progress I have packed away all but the twin Spitfire seaplane, being inspired by all the talk about F-82's on floats in other threads, and the Floaty/Ship/Naval GB over on Beyond the Sprues I decided it was the best choice. I started cutting plastic sheet and kit parts yesterday and have the bulk of the airframe taped together to get it all lined up and measure the floats, also I have most of the centre section wing glued together. In the morning I'll finish drawing the float outlines and start transferring them onto plastic sheet. On that topic before I was copying drawings onto tracing paper then onto plastic with varying results, last night I put a sheet of plastic down onto my drawings and went to bed, this morning when I went to make a start I realised I could see the drawings clear as day through the plastic :banghead:.

I have taken some progress photos but I'm not posting any until it is all roughly in one piece.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on February 05, 2015, 02:59:36 am
Scratchbuilt floats.  Kudos.
I'm not confident I could make 2 the same.

Are you aware of the JU 187?
I wasn't.  Wish I had been before I started on my TurboStuka.
(http://www.oocities.org/unicraftmodels/germ/ju187/ju187box.jpg)
The vertical tail hinges upwards for landing.  More here.
http://www.oocities.org/unicraftmodels/germ/ju187/ju187.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_187
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 05, 2015, 03:37:30 am
Yep I'm aware of it, cheers for the pic though :thumbsup:. The Ju 187 and a previous comment of yours both contributed to the look of it now, again I'll post pics when it is a little more together and I'm sure it looks OK, but for now the Stuka is packed away until the twin Spitfire is done, or at least more together. I didn't do anything to the floats today, I did have a look in a old pencil case and found a few nice shaped pens to make some jet nacelles, this one I simply took the pen apart and put 3 pieces of it back onto each other.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/untitled_zps52kjo7na.png)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 05, 2015, 03:52:54 am
Scratchbuilt floats.  Kudos.
I'm not confident I could make 2 the same.

I'm not confident either, but the design demands floats so floats it be. I am not aiming for a scale look really, so I think I'll do them from flat sheet and try to avoid too many curves. I don't think I'll even try to scallop the bottom surfaces for example, I'll simulate those with overlapping flat sections or something. Realism is not too important as what I have done to it isn't very realistic and I started it with two PM Spitfires ;D, as long as they look like a decent shape and a plausible size I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: major on February 05, 2015, 05:38:36 am
Jet nacelle is looking good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 05, 2015, 07:22:31 am
Great scratch building idea! And it even looks VERY good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 05, 2015, 10:32:59 pm
Jet nacelle is looking good! :thumbsup:

Great scratch building idea! And it even looks VERY good. :thumbsup:
:cheers:

The Ju 187 and a previous comment of yours both contributed to the look of it now, again I'll post pics when it is a little more together and I'm sure it looks OK

I'll say this about my Stuka and Spitfire builds and explain the above statement. I like the wing shape and rear gunners firing area with the vertical stabilizer underneath of the Ju 187 and I wanted to modify a standard late model Stuka to have the same features. I was trying to figure out a simple way to move the control surfaces from under the wings onto the wing trailing edges, and how to broaden the wingtip chord. In the meantime I had purchased a Vultee Vengeance and 2 PM VB Trop Spitfires with the intention of building a twin Merlin powered Vengeance with a large gun or guns in a new nose and a torpedo in the bomb bay for the RAAF to use for shipping strikes, but when I put the Vengeance wings on the Stuka fuselage that idea was put into the "maybe in the future" file and the Stuka was started on instead. I have been in a V tail mood for a little while now so when Zenrat mentioned a inverted butterfly tail the field of fire issue was also settled. I have made a very basic flying model using parts from cheap toys, no moving surfaces, all control of climb/descent and yaw is through motor speed, in the basic outline of a Stuka with a inverted V tail that flies great but outlined a problem. It has tailwheel landing gear and any little obstruction would hit a tail. I changed it to a tricycle landing gear and problem solved so the Stuka needs a nosewheel. I thought it could have a inverted V tail that folds to a normal V tail for takeoff and landing but without a complicated control swapping mechanism yaw control would reverse during the process.

As for the twin Spitfire, I hadn't cut the front of the fuselages off yet so I still had 2 almost full kits and there has been a lot of talk about F-82's on this site lately along with Bungle's F-82 + P-61 mistel, PR19_Kit's Tri-Stang and Tophe's threads and several other things from this site and other places inspiring twin fuselage thoughts I started sketching twin Spit's and came up with something that I liked. It's layout requires 3 fuselages though so I figured the 3rd fuse should be a hull or float for it to be practical. And because of the extra drag it would obviously have more power would be a smart move. It will have opposite rotating props already so to avoid torque either a contra-prop that I would need to scratch as I have no spare props or a jet is what I need hence the pencil case raid.

Pics soon.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on February 06, 2015, 01:29:28 am
I'm impressed - you're the first person here that i'm aware of who has build a flying model to help develop their whiff.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 06, 2015, 02:21:16 am
Doubtful I'm the first, but thank you. I'll be building more flying models than plastic as I am running out of kits and plastic fast but thanks to a recent visit to our storage shed I have with me enough Depron foam to make at least 10-20 small models, and enough electronics to have four of those airworthy at any one time ;D. I have very small quantity of carbon rod and tube though so that is another reason why they will all be small, so they don't need strong wing spars etc. And the extremely small area I have to build and store them of course :rolleyes:.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 16, 2015, 04:09:08 am
I have finished toying with R/C models for now after finding a configuration for the Stuka that is stable in flight, just a hint, I had never built or flown a canard before last week, now I have assembled and flown 3 ;).

Now I'm back to the plastic. I still have doubts about building floats for the twin Spitfire, I may try a variation of a tip from Zenrat. I have tried to come up with a landplane version but it just looks cumbersome no matter what I try so floats will need to be built. I'm putting that off for now though and concentrating on the fuselages, and that is were I'm doing some more head scratching.

I need to mold some parts to fill in some area's that do not have much in the way of a structure to build off of. For putty I'm using 2 part car body filler, on the can there is no indication of what the ingredients are, all it say's is it contains styrene 150g/Kg, and from using it I know it sticks to almost anything so I'm planning to use cardboard templates with a layer of al-foil placed over the top. My theory is the foil will stick but should be easy enough to sand off when dry, unless anyone can suggest a common household material that won't stick to the filler?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 16, 2015, 11:16:53 am
I think Zenrat indirectly gave the answer to my filler sticking question in the "FTAGH Aluminum sheet from glue tubes" thread. I'll try the foil from the top of a coffee can, should be thick enough to not tear when I peel it off and stiff enough to hold a curve or shape. I think that will work. :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on February 17, 2015, 01:52:02 am
Milliput was the name of the material I couldn't think of in my pm.   :banghead:

Be carefull with your car body filler.  I've used some which melted styrene if put on too thick.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 17, 2015, 02:55:23 am
I do many thin layers :thumbsup:.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on February 17, 2015, 08:12:22 am
You're certainly busy now eh ? Love the idea of building flying models. Some day !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 17, 2015, 08:38:33 am
If it won't break forum rules and if anyone is interested should I post pic's of flying models here? Especially if they are flying models of concepts for plastics? They could be viewed as inspiration. I haven't taken many pic's of the ones I have built lately but I will be doing many more in the near future. They are/will be simple flat foam aircraft (known as profile models in the flying world) as I am "hotel modelling" for the foreseeable future, but I will be doing full airframe models again when/if we get another house.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on February 18, 2015, 01:18:23 am
I do many thin layers :thumbsup:.

I didn't.  :blink:

I personally have no problem with you posting footage of your flying models here.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: perttime on February 18, 2015, 02:32:24 am
I don't recall any rules that prohibit models that have life-like functions...  :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 18, 2015, 04:07:12 am
A Whiff is a Whiff, if it moves that's even better.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 18, 2015, 04:23:04 am
Be carefull with your car body filler.  I've used some which melted styrene if put on too thick.

Exactly. Either nitrous compound or two compound stuff is dangerous in higher doses in one spot on syterene.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on February 18, 2015, 07:41:59 am
If it won't break forum rules and if anyone is interested should I post pic's of flying models here?

With my Moderators hat on, no problems  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2015, 12:26:36 pm
OK then, I'll post several pics of some of my most recent past modelling as a sort of second intro, I normally fly alone but very rarely, and not at all the last few years I will join in with small groups so I don't normally get to show my creations to outsiders. these are not What If but my future posts will be. These pic's are just to show that I don't always just build and fly basic foam cut outs like what I will be doing for the next few months at least. I see them more as a flyable 3-view, to test configurations. Normally I do them for a flying model, but now I have found this site I will be flying 3-views of plastic models. Just a note about any of my plastic or flying models that I post, my finishes will be very basic and if anyone likes any of them enough to make a copy or do something similar please feel free do so, I'd love to see more realistic looking versions. A vast majority of model aircraft I have owned and flown have been of the Almost Ready to Fly variety but they never stay standard for too long. Most of my models (ARF or scratched) are scale to some degree as I like my models to look like aircraft. Any sport models I build or buy generally look like they could be a real aircraft.

I will start with the Midget Mustang. It is designed to use a .50-.60 size gloplug motor. I put a .91 into it :mellow:.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/15-11-10003_zps69b4e4b5.jpg)

I didn't get any pics when it was complete with spats, it was very fast and "flew on rails". The last time I flew it the motor stopped shortly after take off and I was flying it from a road surrounded by trees, rocks and other obstacles so I had no choice but to turn what little speed it had into height and 180 it into a downwind landing back onto the road, it got too slow and combined with a tailwind ran out of elevator response and here is the result.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/15-11-10%20012_zps8gzsxonc.jpg)

Curious thing is I found out later that around the same time my MM lost it's wheels the full size had a engine failure on take off with a very similar result, spooky :blink:.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/MM_HP_31_zpsqmfglg4y.jpg)

It was not repaired before storage, I plan to add retracts now the lower surface has been roughly prepared ;D, maybe a different cowl and paint it up as a lightweight fighter or small COIN. Similar to the Cosmic Wind based Electric Piranha http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Electric_Piranha



This one is nowere near a What If but I want to share it as I am proud of this.

A group of like minded guys, myself included took advantage of the LHS VERY low priced .40 size basic trainers to be used for streamer combat. The whole two rules were set as: no bigger than a .55 size engine and it must keep original overall dimensions. I used a .55, reduced dihedral to zero, put on sturdy tailwheel landing gear and to make it stand out from the others put some strips of (what looked orange in the shop) fluro pink all over.

All was well till the mid-air, when I finally stopped it spinning at around 8ft high I flew it cross controlled all the way back (would have been at least 150-200m) over the fence (if you landed on the other side of the fence you had to buy a box of beer to share around, ongoing rule for all flying with them there) and dumped it in the centre of the strip with a broken prop blade the only additional damage ;D.

Even better was that the guys model that plowed through the wing of mine only had a small dent on the leading edge and some extra colour on the fuselage, he had brought a spare wing with him and was only too happy to let me have it, change the prop and swap over a servo and I was back in action 10min later, only thing was the replacement wing had the normal trainer dihedral, oh well I still got plenty more streamer cuts using it.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/camera18-11-100062_zps66f90205.jpg)

I was hired to do some bird scaring for farms and vineyards, at the same time I was doing part time work for a Ag company so I brought myself this Pawnee for the job. I over powered it and then under propped it to make it as noisy as possible. Because I had to sometimes get it out of and more importantly back into some very small area's the small but effective flaps were handy, and I programmed a kill switch that I could flick when it was close to the ground that cuts the motor, lowers flaps to full and both ailerons go up to stop it flying and slow it down fast.  Looked real good dogfighting with crows and the like, looked even better doing aerobatics when there were no more birds about. Because I shared airspace with these full size aircraft rather often, normally with farm equipment running nearby so I can't hear them coming I put on some fluro to give the Ag pilots a better chance of seeing it.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/9-10-10%20112_zpstv237i2v.jpg)

Almost fills the gap between a GA Fatman's wheels.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/9-10-10%20111_zpsvgvn93zs.jpg)

And fits completely under a Thrush.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/12-7-09%20006_zpsp1z2ugx6.jpg)

I brought these two 2m powered gliders new with the intention of doing a model sort of inspired by the Taurus G4.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF3709_zpstzccxvh5.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Taurus-G4-0031_zps3a1a8d27.jpg)

But I planned to make it look more like this with a centre pod to be used as a First Person View camera platform, note it has 2 sets of elevators so it would still have some control if it had a servo failure.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/radian%20twin_zpsezzr2z9p.png)

Where I used to normally fly models was a sports ground that was having trouble with Cockatoo's and they were using gas guns to scare them away without much success so I took it on myself to move them on, but it was in the middle of a town so the very noisy Pawnee was out of the question, I needed a quiet bird chaser with good endurance. I covered one of the gliders with red and clear tape to make it much stronger and give it better wind penetration. It also gained a cheap camera and because I don't just chase birds with it I added underwing removable bomb racks that can drop one at a time or both at once, for bombs I used the mini Nerf football things with tails and whistles. I tried to drop them on myself over and over, divebombing and straight and level like in the pic, it was great fun. Once I took it up high enough to be a speck and dropped them one at a time over a paddock, the whistles were screaming away for ages and when the soft foam Nerf hit the ground the thud sounded like I had dropped a house brick. SWMBO now has ownership of the other untouched glider along with a radio set and buddy lead to link her radio to mine but it was put into storage before we could fly it.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/bird%20chasin%203_zpskqh0iewx.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/bird%20chasin_zpsswhtcq4x.gif)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/ba7_zpslrk687rf.jpg)

And these two when not in storage are my cheap foam grab and fly parkflyers that have 3 batteries each that I keep charged so I can fly something at a moments notice. I plan a paint job on each at least, maybe RAAF for both.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF3704_zps9z2es53m.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF3702_zpsjmelsosi.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rheged on February 19, 2015, 12:48:42 pm
If it won't break forum rules and if anyone is interested should I post pic's of flying models here?

With my Moderators hat on, no problems  :thumbsup:


Fascinating pictures of airborne whiffs!!!



If it's not a silly or embarrassing question, is it possible to see a picture of a "Moderator's Hat"?  I'm assuming that it's NOT a Radish design.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 19, 2015, 12:51:21 pm
And here is a group shot of the electronics and motor donors that I have to use for now.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20671_zpsclswbiwp.jpg)

And a shot of some foam donors so I can make my limited supply of depron sheet last as long as possible.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20959_zpsotqlb19k.jpg)

The Stuka shaped inverted V-tail test bed. I used mostly foam from the red jet shaped thing in the above pic and the motors and electronics are from the white toy biplane in the first pic. It is only taped together like a majority of my others I have done like this so I can build it fast and be able to easily take it apart and change it or re use the parts for something else. It has already become two different canard shapes and was used as a template for a third. The plastic Stuka may get done this way if I decide against a canard set up.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20961_zps8u4xk9fh.jpg)

And finally a short video of it going around in circles and landing. It's climb, descend and turn controls are all through varying motor speed so circles is about all this one can do :rolleyes: It is much more stable in flight than the white biplane ever was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDNc6ftaUA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on February 19, 2015, 02:32:42 pm
I never got into the RC flying because I would have to build something intricate and be too afraid of crashing it to ever fly it.
A professional bird chaser? Nice job if you can get it!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 20, 2015, 05:41:29 am
I never got into the RC flying because I would have to build something intricate and be too afraid of crashing it to ever fly it.
A professional bird chaser? Nice job if you can get it!

That is why I like to use Depron foam, it is very light and the 3mm thick type that I use has a very good strength to weight ratio so expensive carbon or heavy bamboo is generally not needed on smaller models. If I need to add strength I generally add a second layer of Depron joined on with double sided tape. Even if you fly full speed into something it will tend to bounce off, and because I simply tape most of my models together to start with if it does all go wrong it will just pop apart at the joins. The biplane I got the electronics from and the red glider I used for the Stuka looking thing came to a grand total of $11 AUD from a clearance bin. I'm always on the look out at toy shops etc for specials that I can take apart and re use. Just a small problem is the batteries that are used most often today, lithium polymer batteries, known as Li Po's, are light for the power but are also very volatile and will catch fire if punctured or charged/discharged incorrectly and it is very rare but there have been reports of batteries bursting into flame for no reason at all no matter what size so I charge mine in a baking dish on a non flammable surface, store and transport them in a insulated ammo box and take a 1kg fire extinguisher everywhere I go.

I wouldn't go as far as saying professional bird chaser, although I have thought about a business based on it. I only got paid a salary by one employer for using the Pawnee for a season, the other times were favors for friends of friends, and they generally paid with produce or a cash gift when finished. I did it for the fun of it really. Like with the glider, that was in my own time and I had no contact with the council about it, I just noticed the gas guns were not having the desired effect and the locals were complaining about the noise from the guns, mostly the ones going off at dawn and sunset, as much as the birds so took it on myself to do something since I had the time and equipment. I have moved from there now so I hope another local R/C pilot noticed what I was doing and has taken on the role or they would be back to the guns again.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 20, 2015, 01:37:17 pm
Made a start on a YF-82L Tri-Stang, I plan to do at least two, I have slightly modified and enlarged PR-19_Kit's 3-view to the smallest size flying models dimensions and transferred what I need to make a start onto graph paper via tracing paper so I can work out the placement of everything. I'll start cutting foam tonight.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on February 21, 2015, 04:48:19 pm
Wow ! Quite the collection ! Love the Midget Mustang...that thing is huge ! Sorry about al lthe hard luck tho...I guess it happens !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on February 22, 2015, 12:57:25 am
Good stuff.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 25, 2015, 06:23:13 am
Thanks :thumbsup:. The model of the Midget Mustang although big is not as huge as it seems, it is one of those aircraft that seems to look bigger than they are for some reason, the Pawnee is larger by around 30cm in wingspan, but the MM is much heavier because of it's full fiberglass fuselage.

Everything but the outer wing panels for the Tri-Stang have been cut out and roughly assembled. I have cut the parts to size going from a intended wingspan but I think I underestimated the drag of 3 fuselages now I'm looking at it  and I may have made it too big for the small R/C unit I intended to use and it is too small for the next size up that I have to use. I will try to use the small R/C with tiny motors and if it turns out to be underpowered I will just use it as glider to throw across the room and build a bigger one for the next size up motor.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 26, 2015, 03:50:46 pm
Parts cut out.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20829_zpsmvlbmw8y.jpg)

Mid construction, with papers I used for reference. Not shown are the cardboard templates.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20816_zpsaiw9dfcg.jpg)

Finished for now, has flown twice so far but is way underpowered. It drifts around a bit faster than walking pace.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20990_zpsvtrofvkx.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on February 26, 2015, 03:53:48 pm
He makes it look easy! :wacko:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on February 26, 2015, 07:00:07 pm
He sure does ! Lovely stuff.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 27, 2015, 12:34:21 am
That's amazing work.  :thumbsup:

It's a pseudo rib-less Jedelsky wing, a long time since I saw one of them!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 27, 2015, 01:02:08 am
That's amazing work.  :thumbsup:

It's a pseudo rib-less Jedelsky wing, a long time since I saw one of them!

Spot on! ;)

My favorite wing construction method I've used since about age 11, fastest way to get from sheet to flight.

I've lost several Cox engines to fly-away's when I substituted the flat plate type wings to Jedelsky type on some Ebenezer styled free flight models. One of them was a engine oversight too though, thought I had installed a engine with beads in it's tank but it wasn't the right one so that model was launched with a full tank :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: perttime on February 27, 2015, 02:04:04 am
He makes it look easy! :wacko:
making a "flat foamy" isn't all that complicated.
- Get a shape. Cut it so that you can stick the pieces together securely. Glue it straight.
- Figure out where you need i tto balance.
- Stick on some electrical and electronic stuff, and some linkages, so you can power and control it. Place it so that it does balance.

I suspect a flat wing would work too, but then it might need something to stiffen it. A strip of carbon fiber is a popular stiffener.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 27, 2015, 03:36:46 am
100% correct perttime, it is very simple, with added consideration to things like the wing and stabilizer angle of attack etc, most of which can be sorted after a few flights if proved to be out of alignment. The servo's on the two control boards I have to use need careful consideration with placement, they are very low powered and even a loose piece of tape touching the gears will cause them to stall, and range of movement is very small so control runs need to be as straight as possible and have no slop or the control surfaces will barely move. The simplicity of these models was the drive to post some of my past activity so these simple things are not what everyone thinks is my "norm". Unfortunately I don't have much to choose from to post from the past as most of my more interesting stuff was built and long gone before I got a digital camera.

Also I have built and flown more than a handful of truly flat models with proper servo's and powerful motors, they are great for aerobatics and 3D flying, I do like to throw models around the sky but that type of flying is not really my style.

Simplicity and size are my only restrictions at the moment, and the basic shapes I will be putting into the sky over the coming weeks or months will all be temporary so no glue will be involved, everything will be taped together for rapid deconstruction and easy flat packing if the time comes to move as expected. The up side is that being a indecisive type I can build and fly something different every week using nothing but the left overs of the previous model and maybe a small amount of new foam so it is very cost effective.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 02, 2015, 05:04:47 am
I was waiting for some heat shrink tube and other things to arrive before I could do anything else, and it all got here today. I'm starting with a electronics and motor change for the Tri-Stang. Right now the Tri-Stang is using the control board from a coaxial helicopter, the tail is working as elevons and yaw is by motor speed. I knew by it's span and small movements of the elevons that roll would be lacking, and was right, it's nonexistent but it turns fine on motor speed and pitch is ample. I started taking it apart to change over to the control board from my Su-26 but stopped and put it back the way it was but without the outer wings and flew it like that for fun. It is now almost ready for the control board from the Su-26 and will be using a larger geared motor and controlled by rudder and elevator controls.

The ex-coaxial heli control board and the two little motors will be used in a mock up of what I'm trying to do with the plastic Spitfires for inspiration.

The largest of my little motors will power something that will look similar to the modern P-38 that Jesse220 posted in the 'Whifs found on deviantART' thread.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 04, 2015, 04:27:38 pm
I have changed the Tri-Stang to a larger geared single motor and it now uses rudder and elevator for control, I also added a mono wheel to protect the prop and more importantly the battery that is now placed in the scoop area under the wing. I have given it some very short hops under the outside light at night but the wind has been constant during daylight so a full flight is yet to happen. If it doe's fly well like this I will tidy it up and detail it a little.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201018_zpsbmyx8zz5.jpg)

I have came up with a solution to a problem with the Spitfire's that Zenrat pointed out in a PM, it has also solved a second issue I was having with it as well and just leaves the problem of how to build the floats. I have been collecting round plastic tubs for material to use for a potential float idea.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on March 04, 2015, 04:33:38 pm
Very nice. Would love to try that someday !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 05, 2015, 01:22:39 am
It's totally mind boggling to see something that first appeared in my head a couple of years ago appear in 3 dimensional form 12000 miles away!

Brilliant work there Mr. Flyer.  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 05, 2015, 04:30:06 pm
Cheers Kit, as I said earlier in your Tri-Stang thread I plan to build a large fully built up much more scale version in the future. The 3-views have been saved to my external hard drive in the future builds folder, I'll start chipping away at a set of plans based on those over time. It may be months or even years away but it will be built :thumbsup:.

On a plastic model topic, I'm still at a stalemate with the floats for the Spit's but I like the look of what I have so far so much that I already want to start a second one soon so my question to you all is:

What is the cheapest, nastyest and most basic Seafire Mk.47 (or whatever the Griffin engined contra-prop equipped Mk is) that I should look for two of?

As always because scale accuracy is not a goal of mine scale outline and detail is not important, nor is the fit of the parts as they will be butchered. Doe's PM do a Seafire?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 10, 2015, 01:16:53 am
I've done some searching for Seafire's on evilbay and found that the few 1/72 types go for around the same price as the Airfix 1/48 so I think I'll put some $ aside for a couple of the Airfix's.

I got a chance to fly the Tri-Stang today, normally I can only fly my lightweight stuff at dawn or for the hour or so before sunset when the wind is generally at it's lowest, the last week or so has been constant strong wind night and day without change, but today it calmed right off for about an hour after 1pm so I flew it 3 times before the wind started again. I haven't put in enough side thrust and the rudder is small in relation to the rest of the plane so it turns left better than right but is fine for it's purpose. Elevator control was very sensitive but I have tamed it and it is now a very nice calm weather flyer. It also has an abundance of thrust, much more than it needs, so very little motor speed is required for flight meaning a long flight time, and the ability to climb rapidly if required. Hardly surprising though, the motor and electronics are from the yellow, white and blue Su-26 in a previous group photo. It has thrust to weight ratio greater than 1:1 for hovering and vertical maneuvers.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 24, 2015, 05:14:06 am
I stopped in a electronics store in the hope that they had thin wire by the metre but they did not, then I spotted rainbow coloured wires like what is used in computers (I'm assuming) so I brought a length of that to see if it separates easy and it doe's so I got 16m of multi colour wire for $3 :thumbsup:.

As I was leaving I found this neat F-22 and couldn't walk out without it. The Hornet is 1/72 for reference.
The pattern of the foam beads reminds me of pixel cam or whatever it's called, just need to decorate a bit, maybe a Decepticon logo or something. I brought it with the intention of fitting R/C gear but it flies great the way it is so I won't. I'm easily satisfied when it comes to a models appearance and it looks enough like a Raptor to me to put it on display.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201244_zpsdma38w93.jpg)

There is also a F-16 and F-18 the same price, so I will be buying a F-18 next visit :rolleyes:.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Librarian on March 24, 2015, 07:00:00 am
Please paint each and every 'scale'. Sauroraptor...will look beaut :bow:.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 24, 2015, 08:37:52 am
Brilliant idea, but well outside my patience envelope. Why couldn't a Raptors scales be grey? ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 24, 2015, 10:15:04 am
Is the F-22 a glider or powered in some way?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 24, 2015, 02:08:28 pm
Glider, I was going to power it but I have decided not to.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 27, 2015, 10:12:24 am
After burning out two motors experimenting with power arrangements I have put my R/C stuff aside for now before I do any more damage and have taken blade to plastic. I finally stopped procrastinating and started on the floats for the PM Spitfires, I have the centre float parts mostly cut out and dry assembled and the size looks good to me, I had feared that what looked right on paper would be too big or small in 3D. I will post a pic when the whole thing is roughly in one piece.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on March 27, 2015, 11:46:21 am
Ouch that's too bad. Good luck with the Spits !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 03, 2015, 02:59:50 am
There is a 4 day dog show here for Easter so the park we are staying in is literally full of dog owners and their pets, and across the road on the football oval a group of horse owners are having a party so we are surrounded by lots of people and animal noise, I have hired season 1 of Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D. to get us through it but there is only 8 episodes left and we are still on day 1 :banghead:. Liking the aircraft on the show, there was a canard transport that attached on top of the Bus once that looked really good.

On the modelling side of things there has not been much progress with the Spit's as I have been drawing idea's of what I can do with combination of 3 types of jets instead.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 05, 2015, 12:02:39 pm
Due to a assumption about one of the kits I've ordered one idea for the jets was cancelled before I had drawn anything, last night I was looking at a RW pic of another sitting on the tarmac and noticed what will be a landing gear clash with what I wanted to put onto it so cancel that one too, that just leaves one that I think should work out but I need another kit to turn up before I can be sure.

So today I put away the drawing pad and unpacked the Spitfires again with the goal of putting the first layer of filler on the centre wing and thought I should pull out my first project the P-39 and continue that some more while I am using the filler. I got the first layer onto the Spit's wing but that went no further, the P-39 however now has the fin much better faired into the fuselage, tailwheel glued in, monowheel landing gear built and outriggers sorted! :drink:

There is not much more to do to it apart from glue it all together and paint it, I started it as my first whif and will now finish it as such. :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 07, 2015, 07:01:21 am
There is not much more to do to it apart from glue it all together and paint it
What a wrong statement that was! I thought that if I finish this off before the GB deadline I would ask if it could be entered, but I see now there is much more to do and I have no idea how long it will take me so I'm not going to worry about it :rolleyes:.

Here is my progress from last night, I added several more thin layers of filler all over but the majority was around the canopy, where the doors are had sunken in on both sides (a result of making the top fuselage 2.5mm wider behind the cockpit I think) that needed filling and near the base of the fin I made it wider to match the existing fuselage and added a small fillet. The fin will get much more filler added after the horizontal stabilizers are glued on. After I had finished filling and sanding last night I brushed on a thin primer over the filled area's that I sanded off today to reveal low spots but surprisingly there was not that many, that is what gives it a dirty appearance here but as soon as I finish typing this I will paint on some more primer to be sure I got most of them.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201523_zps2yq9l8ep.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on April 07, 2015, 10:06:41 am
 :wub: Interesting lines. Is this a Spitfire racer?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 07, 2015, 10:24:47 am
Thanks Tophe, no it isn't a Spitfire, it's a 1/48 sport plane based on a 1/72 P-39, very first pic on page 1 shows it taped together with the pilot in.

 :cheers:

I think you will like what I'm doing to some Spitfires though ;).
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on April 08, 2015, 03:54:40 am
Lovely! :wub:
Ups, sorry I had forgotten :-\ I confirm: your creation is lovely :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 08, 2015, 12:02:39 pm
Today's progress. I glued on the horizontal stabilizers and applied some filler and while that was curing I dug through one of my tool box's to find a nail buffer board I got some time ago to use on canopy scratches. I was hesitant to try a nail buffer board on the canopy scratches as I thought I would only make them worse, it was very easy as it turns out so I sanded the canopy edging and the canopy itself down so that it all is flush with the turtle deck and the fuselage sides. In doing so I removed .25mm-ish of plastic from the fuselage sides that got rid of the dip's that were in front of the canopy. :thumbsup:

I then took to the canopy with the nail buffer and it is clearer now than it was to start with, but it shows the cracks I put into it being heavy handed when I cut it. I will mask out and paint on a sunshade over most of the top crack that should hide it somewhat.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201526_zpsdvysz1ln.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on April 08, 2015, 07:49:17 pm
Very nice !

 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 09, 2015, 12:29:15 pm
The P-39 kit was second hand and I knew it wasn't very straight as I checked it before buying it but it was cheap. Someone must have stored it with something heavy on top of it in the past, the box was crushed and almost everything was badly warped. When I glued the fuselage together I taped it as I went to make it less of a banana, but the wings needed something better than tape to get them lined up so I made this jig out of some name brand Lego and a cheap version that fits Lego perfectly that I picked up at the same garage sale when I got the kit. I will leave it like this for several hours and hopefully it holds shape when I take it out.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201530_zpscybwyktb.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Librarian on April 09, 2015, 02:28:33 pm
I love where this is going. I wish I'd put in a bit more effort bubble-ing my P-39, yours looks so perfect.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on April 10, 2015, 07:35:13 am
" I can't remember the question, but the answer is whatever you want it to be! " :wacko: :rolleyes:

That jig looks like something out of the Tower of London ! "We ask the questions ; You WILL answer them"  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 11, 2015, 09:46:35 pm
After trying out the Lego (and Lego lookalike) for jig's I am that happy about it's functionality that I will use it for most future builds, it is like having a second pair of hands, before when I was sanding while holding it in my hand the paper or file would catch and I would drop it, repeatedly. Also it makes getting things lined up and level so fast and almost foolproof. Will be very useful for Zwillings, Mistels and seaplanes in particular.

I liked what I had done to the LSA so far, but it looked like it would be very tail heavy and it still looked too much like a P-39 so I sanded off a big portion of the filler near the tail and continued sanding down the plastic until I had the fuselage sides level with the stabilizer and a large section of the forward fin gone and then glued in a piece of plastic sheet for a large dorsal fillet base.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201573_zpsaxk7lnyk.jpg)

This is how it looks now and I'm taking a break from sanding for a while because my hands ache and my fingers are cramping, sometimes this filler feels like sanding granite with a loofer :blink:. I will try some Milliput next time I make a online purchase, I also want to try that Perfect Plastic Putty.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201575_zpsqmd7npip.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on April 12, 2015, 02:39:44 am
My son Jacky (the expert of Lego in my home town) said "Wow! Mixing Lego and scale model, that doesn't exist!" (this is a little jealousy, he would have loved to be the one invented this, so genious) :thumbsup: :lol:
 :wub: :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 12, 2015, 10:47:58 pm
As this is the first plastic model I have modified in any way and because it is a type I feel indifferent about I am using this P-39 as a practice model, and to practice joining parts I cut a section of leftover Spitfire fin and rudder and cut a corresponding (but WAY oversize :banghead:) shape from the P-39 tail and glued them together.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201582_zpsvjzuuesw.jpg)

Still a lot of shaping to go but I'm happy with the result so far.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201587_zps40677vpc.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on April 13, 2015, 04:29:29 am
Awesome jig Brad and your PSR work looks great.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 14, 2015, 06:27:27 am
Thanks :thumbsup:, nothing worth a photo tonight as I have just been doing more PSR around the tail and shaping the fin a little. I knocked the tailwheel off while using a file on the tailplane underside, was annoyed at first but it has freed up the lower fuselage for a bit of reshaping and blending, so I meant to do that ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 16, 2015, 12:16:04 am
I put on a layer of filler on top of the p-39's tail before bed last night and as always I mixed too much and decided to beef up the underside where the stab meets fuselage with the leftovers but forgot to smooth and thin it out before it set, so this morning when I turned it over I was greeted with a 3-4mm thick lumpy solid mess :banghead:

After a hour or so I had it back to a reasonable thickness and shape but I was over it for the moment so I got my drawing pad out and continued working on a plan for a small Mirage III shaped R/C foam model and got to the point of making templates and thought I had better go to the post office first and send some things, when that was done I dropped in to that electronics store to buy the F-18 glider if it was still there to go with the F-22, it was there so I nabbed it and a F-16 in hope that one of them will fit the R/C gear I have planned for the Mirage so I don't have to build it. The F-16 is the best choice me thinks, it has a separate intake piece a good size to fit a battery, the most prop clearance at the tail and another separate piece where the ventral fins are that is a perfect size for a elevator servo. All cutting would be minimal and mostly internal. Will not take long once I start, when that happens is another matter entirely. Colour must be added, grey is a very unfriendly colour for a small R/C.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201591_zpslcad8yc5.jpg)

And when I saw this I just had to have it for two reasons, first the price was unbelievable and second I do most of my R/C models orange, white and black (and I plan to do most of my plastics the same) and with this I don't need to :drink:.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201607_zpseybihwzv.jpg)

I will do a fuselage for this sometime, now back to sanding the P-39...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on April 17, 2015, 06:19:48 am
Thought of you while I was in Toys R Us this morning after work.  I was killing time while a key was being cut - TRU is relatively "safe" as they don't sell model kits.  Unfortunately I also have a weakness for Hot Wheels cars which they do sell.
I was browsing the shelves and thought "Brad could do something with that Barbie Doll Dusty Crophopper foam glider".  It's approx 1/32 scale and has bubble rings on the underside of the wings.
(http://onlinetoys.onlinetoysaustra.netdna-cdn.com/images/D/disney-planes-dusty-glider-with-bubble-makers.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 23, 2015, 06:20:52 pm
A R/C "Dusty" is on my future build list and that would be a time saver for a little one. There is a Cessna 188 (http://www.xtremehobby.ashop.com.au/p/8942641/dynam-cessna-188-pnp.html) in a Dusty scheme that is tempting as it is one of my fav Ag planes.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 23, 2015, 08:23:43 pm
I got bored with sanding the tail group so I have moved my attention to the front for a while. I have glued on and filled around a piece cut from a pen and both halves of a bomb from a Matchbox Panther to form the start of the hypothetical (at least I don't think any aircraft are powered the way I have in mind) powerplant.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/heli1%20038_zpsuznnc0bw.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 23, 2015, 08:32:44 pm
After looking again at the Dusty glider in the pic I notice it is a shoulder wing so wouldn't make a very good Dusty model, I'd probably use aileron, elevator and throttle controls and as to structural modifications I'd cut off the eyeballed cabin and replace it with a low profile canopy, put on some cowl cheeks and add a taildragger landing gear for a pylon racer in the category of a Cassutt or similar (F1?)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 26, 2015, 07:06:34 am
A little more to do then it is time for paint, and I am not looking forward to that part at all.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201631_zpserzwx1gn.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201636_zpsjdgdvp1e.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201642_zpsg33jmkx5.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201646_zpslhdydhtu.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201650_zpszl9z1hh5.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201652_zpsx5ecu2mi.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 26, 2015, 03:28:04 pm
Now that's looking seriously smoooooth!  :thumbsup: :bow:

Are those jet exhausts under the wing root trailing edges?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 26, 2015, 05:28:09 pm
Are those jet exhausts under the wing root trailing edges?

Yes, the bomb halves forming "cheeks" on the leading edge would be were two micro turbines are located and the exhausts exit under the wing trailing edge and do provide some thrust but are not the main provider of power directly. ;)

The nose scoop/intake and the main form of the exhausts are parts from a click pen. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on April 27, 2015, 03:27:23 am
Paint is the best bit in my book as it ties the whole thing together.  There is however a big opportunity for stuff up.
This is looking very good now.  Can't wait to see it all the same colour.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 27, 2015, 04:53:56 am
The only time it will be all one colour is when it is in primer if I can get it right, I'm thinking camo but not for hiding maybe, to hide the slight misalignment's that I'm not so happy with.

And I had only lightly glued the wing together at the tips and roots but they sat together so well that I had forgot about that. Last night I sat it upright on the chopping board I build on and went to bed, I woke up to a noise sometime during the night but discovered nothing so went back to sleep. When I was having my coffee I noticed it was no longer on the board, it was on top of a nearby box of bits and was now a asymmetric X-Wing or more rightly a Y-Wing I suppose because one tip had let go and because of the amount of filler on the roots forcing it into shape the bottom half of the wing had catapulted it!

I have spent the day repairing the damage and while I was at it I broke off and redid the jet exhausts, Mk2 looks much better.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on April 27, 2015, 01:39:45 pm
Ah we live and learn! Looking forward to more photos and future progress.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 29, 2015, 02:10:16 am
Ah we live and learn!

Indeed. :cheers:

Looking forward to more photos and future progress.

That may be some time away, I was using it purely as a starter or practice whif to get used to the properties of the filler and plastics in general, and painting practice too but it won't be worked on for a while now because today a Academy A-10A I was waiting on finally turned up and I can start measuring up how much of the fuselage the GAU-8 Avenger takes up. I have two fixed wing and one rotary wing 1/72 kits (so far) that I would like to arm with a GAU-8 so that is where my focus will be for now. I'll do some work to the (needs a name) P-39 while waiting on glue, putty or paint to dry on other models over time. It may still end up as my first finished model, but I am not that interested in it to be honest.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 02, 2015, 08:01:17 pm
Nothing done with plastics, but I am this far into a prototype foam fuselage for my Twister 400. I started out simply wanting to raise the tail rotor as I mainly fly from grass, but I didn't stop afterward...

I tried a undercambered stabilizer on it to try to stop it pitching up in wind, but it amplified the issue so I have added a flat stabilizer to this version that I can change the angle of. Maybe it needs to push the tail down instead so the flybar tilts forward...

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201636_zpsnun1bxjx.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on May 02, 2015, 09:01:08 pm
GAU-8 is one big gun!

(http://www.richardcyoung.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/GAU-8.png)

(http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/343804/7075455/1274828157660/A-10_Profile_Cross_Section.jpg?token=Xov8izCiM%2F7uzDCJ4%2FMgYoBvIXg%3D)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y229/Rickjj/633659148436915781-gau8.jpg) (http://s6.photobucket.com/user/Rickjj/media/633659148436915781-gau8.jpg.html)

Better be a big chopper you have in mind.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on May 02, 2015, 09:22:53 pm
I think we've had discussions before about relocating the ammo drum in relation to the gun.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 03, 2015, 12:46:38 am
GAU-8 is one big gun!
Better be a big chopper you have in mind.

I was thinking it would fit in the front of a single seat AH-64 with the pilot in a slightly relocated cockpit,

I think we've had discussions before about relocating the ammo drum in relation to the gun.

With a relocated ammo drum. :thumbsup:

But, Gondor is sending me some GAU-13 gun pods and I was wondering if a single seat Apache could possibly carry one each side? Until they get here I have no real idea of size comparison.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 04, 2015, 02:07:12 am
I tried a undercambered stabilizer on it to try to stop it pitching up in wind, but it amplified the issue so I have added a flat stabilizer to this version that I can change the angle of. Maybe it needs to push the tail down instead so the flybar tilts forward...

After testing I have taken the horizontal stabilizer off as it fly's much better with no stab so I will make a much smaller one just for looks or a larger one if it is needed after I add some wings (if they even work out). I have added a lot of LED's that I have gathered from assorted broken toys from charity stores for a full night flying set up that is powered by the heli's battery that consists of (all connected by plugs so they are not always on) 2 very bright white landing, alternating red and blue flashing for the tail, pulsing blue for the nose area and rapid flashing red, green and white navigation's.

Everything I am doing is reversable to stock in about 30min so after I am done playing around with the foam fuselage I have found some 100cm long drinking straws to do a full plastic tube frame or a bright Bell 47 type tail boom.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 10, 2015, 11:57:10 am
I started out wanting to build a scale-ish Hind or Tiger but changed my mind to just doing a simple fuselage but make it purposefully heavy to see if it can even lift the weight of a scale-ish fuselage to begin with. I sorta just followed the lines of the original frame, throwing some cable ties, depron foam, cardboard and miles of tape at it has resulted in:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201662_zpscepmfwjc.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201671_zpstxraawim.jpg)

Should have plenty of cooling both in hover and forward flight.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201687_zpshjeiamyd.jpg)

Lights on, the tail light is not pink or purple- it alternates red/blue and this is how the camera captures it each time.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201683_zpsg2g5nbwq.jpg)

The helicopters are under half price at a local electronics store so I got another, that way I can do what I want with the first one and always have a stock standard one at hand any time. I looked up the prices online for these and found that I had got two for less than the price of one AND I didn't need to pay a extra $30 each for postage. :thumbsup:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201674_zps143v8ugx.jpg)

Have not tried it yet because of strong wind, forcast looks about the same for the next few day's too :angry:

I have a clear plastic scale fuselage for a Super Frelon (and a Airwolf) somewhere that will be painted Whif, IIRC it is about the same size as what I have put together so should fit. The tail rotor would be on the wrong side but that cannot be helped and is not a big concern of mine anyhow, just gotta find it. :banghead:

Next (mostly because of the weather) I will be back to plastics, might finish off the p-39 so it is dealt with before starting on any of the jets.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on May 10, 2015, 09:21:40 pm
Have you seen mini chemical glowsticks?  About 1.5" long by 1/8" diameter.  Sold I think for fishing.
They would serve the same purpose as the lights but would be simpler to fit and for daylight flying you could just fly without them.

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 10, 2015, 11:36:39 pm
 :thumbsup: Yes, I have used those for night flying. They are good for slow flying fixed wing models as the light they emit are not as intense as a LED and orientation can be difficult at any distance because the light sorta goes "fuzzy" with movement and the other colours of glowsticks do not show as well as the green and blue ones, try telling what way a helicopter is facing yet alone what way it is moving at 50ft away when it is a mass of green and blue only. :blink:

The way I have the lights arranged is thus:

Coming at me - 2 blinding white and above head height the pulsing blue is visible under the nose so I also have height indication.
Going away from me - Flashing white and red/blue alternating.
Flying side on - Flashing red (port) or green (starboard), tail and nose lights also visible.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on May 11, 2015, 02:54:58 am
I hadn't thought of having the lights indicate orientation.  D'oh! :bang head:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on May 11, 2015, 06:18:18 am
Looks great ! Those little RC choppers are so much fun.

 :drink:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 16, 2015, 11:18:13 am
Looks great ! Those little RC choppers are so much fun.

 :drink:

That they are, can take a bit to learn but fun when you do. :thumbsup:

Got some vids of a flight in the (finally!) calm weather and put a short one onto youtube. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFP5aXumOsI&feature=youtu.be) Had my first encounter (not in the vid clip) with retreating blade stall with this heli while flying fast at about twice head height and being of fixed pitch type there was little I could do so it went in at 90° bank and about 45° nose down with a crunch, no damage and was in the air again right away, tuff lil heli. :thumbsup:

Plastic model side of things, I have liberated the 1/48 pilot from the P-39's cockpit and glued all the bits back into shape and put some layers of filler over the lot, I will just paint the canopy on. :rolleyes: I have had yet another go at the jet exhausts and they are looking better and worse, I might have to crack off all the filler and start over.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on May 16, 2015, 11:33:17 am
Cool vid. Nice to hear the plastic side of things are going better. And worse.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 21, 2015, 12:15:48 am
While adding some bits to my R/C helicopter last night I added up the prices of everything that I'm using to fly them these 2 heli's have cost over $300! :o

That includes a new 10A power supply, I had a 5A that died charging a heli battery and I needed a new one to charge it again and so it has been added to the heli cost even though I charge all my equipment with it.

Regardless I have overspent on them and plastic model purchases will be affected for the year. :banghead:

Really want to start on a 1/72 A-10, but I have to finish at least the P-39 before starting anything else. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on May 21, 2015, 02:24:38 am
Just watched your video Brad.  Lights look good.  Nice flying.

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 21, 2015, 03:33:50 am
Thanks :cheers:, that heli is now reduced to components for another underway transmogrification. ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on May 21, 2015, 11:50:56 am
An A-10 eh ? Look forward to seeing that. Love A-10s !

 :tornado:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 21, 2015, 09:17:25 pm
It would be near the top if I had a top ten list. :thumbsup: :cheers:

Because I don't have the skill to replicate anything close to RW I'm thinking bright colour camo or all over orange...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on May 22, 2015, 03:22:50 am

Because I don't have the skill to replicate anything close to RW I'm thinking bright colour camo or all over orange...

Never talk yourself down. On this site we build to enjoy not impress. The fact that so many impress is just an extra benefit of the site  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 22, 2015, 05:53:04 am
Not talking myself down, being honest. It's my own expectations I know I cannot reach yet so need to simplify my expectations is all. I figure I will build what I would call 'cartoon scale' (basic paint, minimal decals, basic details etc... as long as it would plausible that it would fly I'm happy) almost exclusively for a looong time to build skills before trying anything realistic looking.

Not trying to impress anyone either (except myself), if others like my creations that's a bonus as I do not really have anyone outside of this site to share my models with and talk about them with besides my partner, and she has been on duty for many years so it is great to have somewhere to direct it to to give her a break. :rolleyes:

 :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on May 22, 2015, 06:33:38 am
if others like my creations that's a bonus
I do like your creations, indeed, especially the Bell-derivative (not finished?) and the TriStang flying model you did was marvelous too, and... (so on) ;) ;D :lol: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 22, 2015, 06:51:07 am
Thanks Tophe. :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 27, 2015, 01:48:38 am
I went back into the electronics store were I brought the helicopters from today for some more heat shrink, wires and LED's to see a full stand of Humbrol paints and a shelf full of Airfix and Revell kits, and after inquiry found that they are bringing in a range of putty's, glues, brushes and many more kits. Looks like a lucky find has turned into my LHS.

:drink: :party: ;D ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on May 27, 2015, 02:55:14 am
Excellent.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 29, 2015, 03:09:45 am
Purchased a Airfix Focke-Wulf Fw 190 A-8 today to be used for parts to go onto a air racer if I take part in the upcoming GB.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 31, 2015, 01:52:03 am
I thought I'd do the whole two bird one stone thing and post progress pics of the P-39 and show the warped Fw190 fuselage I mentioned in the Airfix thread at the same time. As you can see one side is much worse.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201711_zpsi6qoadbn.jpg)

This is how it came out of the box, I think I see the problem. The canopy must not normally sit on top as it has pushed the worse fuse half down between the top wing halves, and is what made the box pillow like. Wonder what the other aircraft kits are like that have bulging boxes. :blink:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201715_zpsrjfdknd2.jpg)

The P-39 needs it's wheels added, some small work on the exhausts, behind exhaust fillets need extending and blending, prop needs to be sorted and tail needs final shaping and then it is paint time. I have (what I think is) a good idea and have put 3 unstarted kits aside to give the GB a decent attempt.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on May 31, 2015, 03:27:19 am
Interesting... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on May 31, 2015, 07:27:13 am
I know it makes no real difference but that 190 fuselage is bent under tension rather than warped. Not a mould problem rather a human one , been forced in the box. Depending how long it's been like that it may spring back if it's cut from spruces and left a bit ?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: loupgarou on May 31, 2015, 02:21:15 pm
Or maybe taping the fuselage half to a strong metal ruler or similar and dipping it in hot water? Should soften the plastic enough to release the tension.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 01, 2015, 12:03:12 am
Or maybe taping the fuselage half to a strong metal ruler or similar and dipping it in hot water? Should soften the plastic enough to release the tension.

I may try that, if it don't work there is no loss as I brought the kit to cut up anyhow so the fuselage will most likely get cut in front of the canopy so I can use the BMW, cowl and front fuselage on something else.

 :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Mossie on June 01, 2015, 08:21:12 am
Airfix have a very good replacement service, if you contact them they'll send replacements for the damaged parts.
http://www.airfix.com/uk-en/contact
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 01, 2015, 08:49:37 am
Thanks Mossie. :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on June 01, 2015, 04:06:11 pm
Love that shape and the exhaust layout...that's going to be sweet !

 :tornado:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Mossie on June 03, 2015, 06:02:21 am
Thanks Mossie. :cheers:

No probs, even if your going to cut it up, no harm in having two BMW cowlings. ;D

By the way, the P-39 is looking great! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 03, 2015, 08:44:28 am
Thanks again Mossie. :thumbsup:

A couple emails and the parts are on their way. Not sure if they are sending the whole sprue or just the fuselage halves that I mentioned, wait and see.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Mossie on June 03, 2015, 11:43:48 am
In my experience they just send the parts.  I've used them a few times, they will even send you parts for projects.  The last time I used the service for a project, they asked me for a small charge.  They don't charge you if it's missing or damaged parts, I've only used the service for this once, only to find the missing part later. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 03, 2015, 01:20:54 pm

By the way, the P-39 is looking great! :thumbsup:

Thanks! The P-39 I envisioned being a hybrid powered sport plane that has two small turbines that only produce half their thrust, the other half of the thrust would be lost powering a central generator that constantly charges a bank of lithium batteries that power two brushless electric motors spinning contra-props. It made sense to me and was concreted today when I came across this twin electric with the power supply being lithium batteries and a diesel generator.

Diamond Hybrid Drive (http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Diamond-Moves-Ahead-With-Hybrid-Drive-224208-1.html)

But even though it was supposed to be my first completed whif all work has been halted on it so I can start the GB project.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 22, 2015, 10:20:56 am
I have ceased building plastic models for various reasons, I have packed them away including the Hs 123 and Ju 87 started for the GB, I will finish them as I started them when I can plastic model again. Starting plastics again (not that I even really started this time round :rolleyes:) could be a long time away, years even, but I will continue to fly R/C models and post some projects I build or design in this thread over time along with possible ideas if anyone would want to build them in plastic and MS Paint drawings of ideas etc... But I don't think this thread belongs in the "Current and Finished Projects" forum because of the above, can this thread be moved? If so can I please get some help as to deciding where it would be better suited and how to move it there?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on July 23, 2015, 04:24:35 pm
I let moderators take care of this topic's position, I am just saying my feeling:
- if you are stopping with joy towards something else (RC?), it is good, be happy and that is fine!
- if you are stopping here with sadness or disgusted, I feel very sorry (as far as I am concerned, I loved what you brought to us).
Thanks anyway for what you gave us, Flyer.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on July 23, 2015, 04:37:10 pm
That's too bad you have some interesting ideas....but you gotta do what you love eh !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 23, 2015, 06:09:06 pm
Thanks guy's, love What If and it's inhabitants so I won't be going anywhere, just not doing anything with plastic until I have a permanent place to do so. It's just not practical and was causing frustration doing a bit here and there then pack it all up out of the way only to unpack it the next day to do a little more and repeat, sometimes the 'little more' was little less than repairing the previous days pack up. :banghead:

This is a mock up of what I will be trying next, if all goes to plan anyhow. A little fan in a cardboard tube to form a basis for a foam/cardboard jet version of a Nanchang Cj-6.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201727_zpsuodtkhfv.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201730_zpszwoofau8.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201738_zpsgjdtsltq.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on July 23, 2015, 06:54:55 pm
Good! ... even if never finished, giving us ideas...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 23, 2015, 07:28:15 pm
I have borrowed a book from my local library 'Russian Gunship Helicopters' by Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov and I will be looking to buy a copy of it for myself sometime, it has details, pics, and 3-views of Mi-24, Mi-28 and Ka-52 along with a 'The Modeller's Corner' section for each outlining some plastic kits with their pro's & con's etc...

Anyhow I mention it now as I just learned from it that the Mi-28 was originally a compound helicopter type with a fixed wing aircraft look to it, Hind style double bubble cockpits, two rotors on wings and a pusher prop. I love it and must build several. ;D

Only thing I find curious is that the rotors rotate so that the blades passing closest to the fuselage are moving forwards over the wing, it is only a single photo of a mock up in the book so they may have just put the rotors on the wrong sides by mistake (the furthest rotor is missing a blade, makes me wonder if there was a rush to assemble it) or there may be a good reason for it, I have yet to search for info.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on July 24, 2015, 01:31:22 am
Nothing in the rules to say your whiffs have to be static plastic models. 
You provide valuable inspiration plus you made whiffs that actually fly.  Both exceptionally valid contributions in my book.

You'll get yourself sorted soon i'm sure and then you can get stuck into some plastic with a vengeance.

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: perttime on July 24, 2015, 04:50:00 am
What you are doing is still "Current and Finished Projects" - and people like to see them here  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 24, 2015, 05:20:27 am
Here it stays then. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 24, 2015, 06:13:04 am
Here are some pics of something I have mentioned several times before, I was not going to post pics until the model was more or less in one piece, that won't be for some time now so I thought I would share them and see if anyone else would like to build their own version of it. I have three of my own variations planned, and thinking of more.

Excuse the roughness of the drawing, it was just a layout sketch to make sure what I had metally pictured looked OK outside my head, I have done no other drawings of it though so I scanned it and it will have to do for now.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/twin%20spitfire%20bmp_zpsydweooam.png)

Two PM VB Spit's got cut and brutally taped into this:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201178_zps3airhl6v.jpg)

The structure got a little further along before storage but that is the only pic I took of it. I have cut all the parts for the floats from plastic sheet but didn't put them together. When I start this one again or one like it I might just use a Kingfisher central float and what ever other pair of floats I can find for the outers. Weaponry was to be all the original wing guns, including the tail wing guns firing past below the prop discs each side of the centre pylon and eight rockets under the outer wings. The rockets I was going to use were from a Matchbox Panther with a larger diammeter sprue "warhead".
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 24, 2015, 10:17:28 am
I have borrowed a book from my local library 'Russian Gunship Helicopters' by Yefim Gordon and Dmitriy Komissarov and I will be looking to buy a copy of it for myself sometime, it has details, pics, and 3-views of Mi-24, Mi-28 and Ka-52 along with a 'The Modeller's Corner' section for each outlining some plastic kits with their pro's & con's etc...

Anyhow I mention it now as I just learned from it that the Mi-28 was originally a compound helicopter type with a fixed wing aircraft look to it, Hind style double bubble cockpits, two rotors on wings and a pusher prop. I love it and must build several. ;D

Only thing I find curious is that the rotors rotate so that the blades passing closest to the fuselage are moving forwards over the wing, it is only a single photo of a mock up in the book so they may have just put the rotors on the wrong sides by mistake (the furthest rotor is missing a blade, makes me wonder if there was a rush to assemble it) or there may be a good reason for it, I have yet to search for info.

Finally found a online pic of the Mi-28 mock up (http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/ah/mi28/vintokril.jpg), it's the same pic that is in the book. Anyone know of any other images of this mock up from other angles?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 24, 2015, 10:37:19 am
I've seen one, from a more frontal angle - guess while googling. The linked pic is contained in the book "Russian Gunship Helicopters" by Yefim Gordon, and in much better colors, together with the more conservative Mi-28 mock-up that finally became the development concept for the hardware stage. That thing actually reminds a lot of the fake Italeri Mi-28... but the compound version is just cool.  :ph34r:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 24, 2015, 11:13:33 am
While googling the Mi-28 I kept seeing a whiffed model with longer wings that have fins on the ends that looks very Dizzyfugu, can you point me toward that thread if it's yours?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on July 24, 2015, 05:36:17 pm
Woah ! Now that is neat !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Librarian on July 25, 2015, 05:11:02 am
That's a very interesting concept...very in touch with the true spirit of whiffery. Maybe thin the mating surfaces of the rear wings a bit, only if you're not keeping the cannons. Otherwise superb. I'll be watching this one :thumbsup:.

Is there a site where demonstrations are given on how to create wings/aerofoils properly from sheets of styrene? I've done a few but never seem to get the cross section right.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 25, 2015, 06:10:13 am
Is there a site where demonstrations are given on how to create wings/aerofoils properly from sheets of styrene? I've done a few but never seem to get the cross section right.

Not sure, I use trial & error so I have not looked for any sites. For a stable general aircraft I normally draw a line down the fuselage at the angle I think it should be in flight and start with the wing at around 2° positive incidence at the root and 2-3° washout at the tips, with the tail level with the line I drew or 1-2° negative and change it as needed if that helps at all. Aerobatic aircraft I use 0° on everything but the thrust lines.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 28, 2015, 11:13:31 am
Is there a site where demonstrations are given on how to create wings/aerofoils properly from sheets of styrene? I've done a few but never seem to get the cross section right.

Not sure, I use trial & error so I have not looked for any sites. For a stable general aircraft I normally draw a line down the fuselage at the angle I think it should be in flight and start with the wing at around 2° positive incidence at the root and 2-3° washout at the tips, with the tail level with the line I drew or 1-2° negative and change it as needed if that helps at all. Aerobatic aircraft I use 0° on everything but the thrust lines.

Sorry, I had not slept for around two days when I seen that post and my mind read styrene as the foam kind, I thought your question was regarding flying models, probably because that was what I was doing at the time. Re-reading it now fully awake I see you meant plastic sheet wing sections. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: perttime on July 29, 2015, 01:52:49 am
You can find airfoil section images and coordinates online. Like: https://www.google.com/search?q=p-51+airfoil&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=bZO4VeW8Aoe_ywP0irmwCg

No clue what is the best way to transfer them to plastic.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 06, 2015, 01:54:43 am
One of three projects I'm currently working on, I have resurrected parts of my 1st and 2nd R/C helicopter dating back to 2002 along with some carbon rods, a extra servo and a modern receiver into a VTOL drop rig to carry and release free flight gliders and such. It will have some fins and a pod or fuselage added shortly but fly's well as it is now and the release works well too, it does need new blades but these repaired ones do the job for now, even if they don't look so good. The other two are a fuselage for another heli and a autogyro with a home made 2-axis rotor head that I'm trying to shape to resemble Captain Canada's BronCobra, but as it is my first ever attempt at a autogyro it will probably end up looking much more simple.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20040_zpszsxtp7tn.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 06, 2015, 07:58:23 am
While googling the Mi-28 I kept seeing a whiffed model with longer wings that have fins on the ends that looks very Dizzyfugu, can you point me toward that thread if it's yours?

Not certain if you mean the "Mi-62"? That would be this one here, it's actually a rotodyne and based on a generic SF/mecha kit from Kotobukiya : http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,38537.0/highlight,mi-62.html

Very popular in Russian forums, BTW.  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 06, 2015, 08:08:33 am
That's the one! Must have been the "Mi" part that made it come up in the Mi-28 search.

Very cool, I thought I'd seen it on here, and the backgrounds looked your style :thumbsup:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 06, 2015, 08:36:02 am
Here are some pics of something I have mentioned several times before, I was not going to post pics until the model was more or less in one piece, that won't be for some time now so I thought I would share them and see if anyone else would like to build their own version of it. I have three of my own variations planned, and thinking of more.
Excuse the roughness of the drawing, it was just a layout sketch to make sure what I had metally pictured looked OK outside my head, I have done no other drawings of it though so I scanned it and it will have to do for now.
Two PM VB Spit's got cut and brutally taped into this:
The structure got a little further along before storage but that is the only pic I took of it. I have cut all the parts for the floats from plastic sheet but didn't put them together. When I start this one again or one like it I might just use a Kingfisher central float and what ever other pair of floats I can find for the outers. Weaponry was to be all the original wing guns, including the tail wing guns firing past below the prop discs each side of the centre pylon and eight rockets under the outer wings. The rockets I was going to use were from a Matchbox Panther with a larger diammeter sprue "warhead".
Sorry, I see this Twin-Spitfire-Single-V-tail only today... What a marvel! :wub: I had never thought of something like that, and I love this idea (and with technical reasons moreover)... :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 09, 2015, 10:49:59 pm
Here are some pics of something I have mentioned several times before, I was not going to post pics until the model was more or less in one piece, that won't be for some time now so I thought I would share them and see if anyone else would like to build their own version of it. I have three of my own variations planned, and thinking of more.
Excuse the roughness of the drawing, it was just a layout sketch to make sure what I had metally pictured looked OK outside my head, I have done no other drawings of it though so I scanned it and it will have to do for now.
Two PM VB Spit's got cut and brutally taped into this:
The structure got a little further along before storage but that is the only pic I took of it. I have cut all the parts for the floats from plastic sheet but didn't put them together. When I start this one again or one like it I might just use a Kingfisher central float and what ever other pair of floats I can find for the outers. Weaponry was to be all the original wing guns, including the tail wing guns firing past below the prop discs each side of the centre pylon and eight rockets under the outer wings. The rockets I was going to use were from a Matchbox Panther with a larger diammeter sprue "warhead".
Sorry, I see this Twin-Spitfire-Single-V-tail only today... What a marvel! :wub: I had never thought of something like that, and I love this idea (and with technical reasons moreover)... :thumbsup: :bow:

Thought you might like it Tophe, I'd like to see some of your versions of it ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 09, 2015, 10:53:42 pm
I strayed from Captain Canada's BronCobra shape for my autogyro for now until I get everything nutted out. Here is the ugly and very rough MK1. Everything used on it (except the radio gear) is scrap and left overs or spare parts so it was never going to look fantastic.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%20404_zpspoioruvc.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 02, 2015, 11:40:19 pm
Can anyone suggest were to look for some large helicopter plastic kits? I have tried Google etc... and the only models of a size I'm looking for I can find are solid desktop models or toy's. I want a double bubble Hind but any kind of large helicopter kit suggestions would be much appreciated.

At some stage I will make a Vac-form setup and will be looking for large kits to make scale fuselages for my ever expanding collection of smaller R/C helicopter's, need to start making a list now to save time when I get to that point.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 03, 2015, 12:46:34 am
Revell do a 1/48 Hind.  Is that big enough?
If not Trumpeter do a 1/35 version.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 03, 2015, 01:23:05 am
1/35 and 1/48 would be big enough for some of my smaller gear and the toy types. :thumbsup:

Anyone do any 1/12-ish scale plastic choppers? I couldn't find any. That scale I would be almost unlimited in choice of radio gear etc...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 03, 2015, 12:05:53 pm
There is a large toy AH-6 NightBird, around 1/18 IIRC - made to go with the 'World Peacekeepers' action figure range.

I think the same range also has a UH-60, if memory serves.

HTH

Cheers
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 03, 2015, 12:17:00 pm
Someone does/did a BIG Super Frelon, 1/35 scale comes to mind and it ought to have been Heller I suppose. That'd make a seriously large finished model.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on September 03, 2015, 12:17:15 pm
Now that will be cool flyer ! Are you going to be selling the bodies ? RC is defo somat I want to get into. RC flyers that is !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 03, 2015, 01:21:07 pm
D'oh! I forgot all about the Matchbox 1/32 Puma.

IF it's still around...

Cheers
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 03, 2015, 04:55:00 pm
Someone does/did a BIG Super Frelon, 1/35 scale comes to mind and it ought to have been Heller I suppose. That'd make a seriously large finished model.

I have a clear Super Frelon fuselage that a friend vacformed from a kit a long time ago, must have been that one :thumbsup:

He also done a Airwolf that I still have and a Hughes 500E that I gave away :banghead:, but they were all done from plastic kits ten or more years ago so I know they used to be available.

Now that will be cool flyer ! Are you going to be selling the bodies ? RC is defo somat I want to get into. RC flyers that is !

 :cheers:

Maybe, see what happens ;)

Will be a year or two away yet but I do have a plan...

D'oh! I forgot all about the Matchbox 1/32 Puma.

IF it's still around...

Cheers

That would be worth looking for, nice boxy fuselage to hide the radio gear and a high tail rotor to keep it out of the grass. :thumbsup:

Thanks guy's, list started. :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 03, 2015, 10:55:36 pm
There is a large toy AH-6 NightBird, around 1/18 IIRC - made to go with the 'World Peacekeepers' action figure range.

I think the same range also has a UH-60, if memory serves.

HTH

Cheers

I'll look into those, sounds like they are big enough to be useful and I am easy to please when it comes to scale outline, may need to change a few aspects if I do start making them for others.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 03, 2015, 11:02:51 pm
D'oh! I forgot all about the Matchbox 1/32 Puma.

IF it's still around...

Cheers

Google'd it and it has been re-released by Revell with "improvements", don't know what the improvements are yet but there seems to be several variants available. Thanks Rick :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on September 03, 2015, 11:08:13 pm
No worries.

Did a quick search:

http://www.kidsarmytoys.co.uk/World+Peacekeepers%2FWorld+Peacekeepers+Military+Black+Hawk+with+4+figures.htm

and:

http://www.kidsarmytoys.co.uk/Helicopters%2FWorld+Peacekeepers+Combat+Helicopter+with+2+Figures.htm

HTH

Cheers
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 03, 2015, 11:40:20 pm
Thanks :thumbsup:

The "Aerial Rocket" looks like a Dauphin clone too.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 15, 2015, 12:04:20 am
After reading Librarian's topic mentioning RAF I-16's for the BoB build I put RAF markings on a blank I-16 in IL-2 Sturmovik UE for fun and also discovered a easy-ish way of obtaining a screenshot, so here are a few. I think it looks like all over silver dope.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/RAF%20I-16%202_zps4jgfzmoj.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/RAF%20I-16_zpsxpclzrss.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/RAF%20I-16%203_zps1a7lfp2b.jpg)

I also put RN markings on the Yak-15 to give it a RAAF look, It's what I do to most aircraft in the quick mission section. I like the game but am in need of a joystick, doing battle by tapping keys is showing many limitations.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Yak-15%20RAAF_zpslpvqqwan.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: ericr on September 15, 2015, 12:22:34 am

there a few 1/24 helicopters around, like a Revell Huey, and also a Hugues 300 (?)

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on September 15, 2015, 04:58:23 am
They both look nice. The I16 especially.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 30, 2015, 12:54:06 am
Latest project is a VTOL tailsitter, comes apart so it will fit in the car and is braced with kite string when together.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202134_zps5gj7mqmn.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202287_zpsphg2peyc.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202289_zpsz5scutxg.jpg)

Launch of test flight showed I had majorly miscalculated the CG so it was very nose heavy and the elevons need to be much bigger, resulting in no vertical flight possible yet. It has thrust to weight somewhere between 1.5-2 to 1 so can go straight up like a propeller powered rocket but falls out of hover almost instantly when attempted so work to be done. I couldn't think of a lightweight system to allow a horizontal landing, but it had to be done and as could be predicted the lower fin suffered. :rolleyes:

Toying with an idea about installing a parachute with a forward attach point so I could simply pull up to vertical, cut power and pop the chute. It's the simplest, lightest, safest and reliable system I can think of, any other idea's out there?

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/VTOL%20in%20flight%2011_zpsi0a8zykt.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/VTOL%20in%20flight%206_zpslk8xmxps.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/VTOL%20in%20flight%201_zpsewdduj80.jpg)


Lot's of redesign, equipment shifting and extra construction to do before trying again.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 30, 2015, 01:35:33 am

Toying with an idea about installing a parachute with a forward attach point so I could simply pull up to vertical, cut power and pop the chute. It's the simplest, lightest, safest and reliable system I can think of, any other idea's out there?


Convair should have thought of that for the Pogo.   ;D :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 30, 2015, 01:38:36 am
From what I can gather the large spinner on the Pogo was to fit a radar, a ballistic parachute would surely fit in there instead.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 30, 2015, 01:49:38 am
From what I can gather the large spinner on the Pogo was to fit a radar, a ballistic parachute would surely fit in there instead.

Dead right, although they never did actually install the radar. That spinner was IMMENSE so there was enough space for a pretty large 'chute.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 30, 2015, 03:09:15 am
Wonderfully unusual shape! :thumbsup: :bow:
And "intended to fly" moreover :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 30, 2015, 03:53:03 am
You'll have your neighbours reporting UFO sightings.
Looks promising and I can't wait to see film of it in action.

As far as a landing system goes I put a lot of thought into this while building my Salmon whiff.
The only solution I could come up with for horizontal landing gear involved a complete redesign.  Lose the lower tail fin and put a massive amount of anhedral on the wings so they are at 30 degrees to the horizontal.  It would then tail sit on the three points not four and could land horizontally on the wing tips plus a long retractable nose gear.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 30, 2015, 04:49:01 am

As far as a landing system goes I put a lot of thought into this while building my Salmon whiff.
The only solution I could come up with for horizontal landing gear involved a complete redesign.  Lose the lower tail fin and put a massive amount of anhedral on the wings so they are at 30 degrees to the horizontal.  It would then tail sit on the three points not four and could land horizontally on the wing tips plus a long retractable nose gear.


Wouldn't that rather throw away all the advantages you'd gained by having a VTO capability? You'd still need a socking great runway for landing, in which case you may as well use it to take off too.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 30, 2015, 05:12:02 am
The very reason I'm looking into VTOL, I'm tired of finding a landing area in a place that doesn't attract Joe Public. Having a horizontal landing capability is a major bonus for a tailsitter, I knew before launch it was vertical landing or crash, the fact it had a very forward CG (my instincts told me to move it back but... :rolleyes:) and limited mobility due to undersize controls (that I also thought might be too small, but that size was the fastest way to construct it using what I had at hand, I'm running out of foam also) led to a high throttle setting and full back stick to get about a 10° nose down impact "arrival", but the lower fin was the only part damaged so it is certainly strong enough. I may work on it and rectify it's problems or just break it down and start again fresh. Will take me the same amount of time either way.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on September 30, 2015, 05:32:02 am
Great idea and what a beautiful aeroplane....looks like an Avro Arrow in flight  :cheers: Hope you solve your woes and enjoy flying it !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 30, 2015, 08:48:22 am
Thanks guys :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 30, 2015, 09:49:34 pm

As far as a landing system goes I put a lot of thought into this while building my Salmon whiff.
The only solution I could come up with for horizontal landing gear involved a complete redesign.  Lose the lower tail fin and put a massive amount of anhedral on the wings so they are at 30 degrees to the horizontal.  It would then tail sit on the three points not four and could land horizontally on the wing tips plus a long retractable nose gear.

When it comes to tri-surface tailsitters my favorite by looks and layout is the Northrop N-63 (http://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/images/v1n2ad10.jpg) . I was considering a anhedral tri-surface delta similar to the BSG Colonial Viper much earlier, and then Rick Lowe mentioned the very same craft in another thread yesterday and that sealed it, so I will build a Viper based model sometime when I have more materials to use and probably power it with a 70mm ducted fan but I won't be aiming for VTOL with that when I do build it, it will be purely for fun as horizontal flight is less than desireable with anhedral wings and I'm wanting my VTOL to be a rapid interceptor with good dogfighting capability that flies a straight-ish line when I'm not moving the sticks so a quad-surface machine is what I will stick to for layout as personal preference. But while being inspired by sci-fi a X-wing based VTOL aircraft is a high possibility, especially after seeing this (http://img01.deviantart.net/862b/i/2011/061/f/e/ww_ii_x_wing_fighter_by_archangel72367-d3arvjw.jpg) from deviantart on facebook earlier...

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2015, 01:07:52 am

When it comes to tri-surface tailsitters my favorite by looks and layout is the Northrop N-63 (http://www.up-ship.com/eAPR/images/v1n2ad10.jpg) .


I'm 110% with you there Flyer!  :thumbsup: :bow:

I've been trying to build one in plastic for over a year but it's pretty darn difficult, for me anyway. I've used a Pegasus XFV-1 kit's fuselage as a basis but getting the cockpit to fit and be at the right angle isn't all that simple.

I have got the prop sorted though, so that's a plus point.  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 01, 2015, 01:40:17 am
 :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on October 01, 2015, 02:06:13 am

As far as a landing system goes I put a lot of thought into this while building my Salmon whiff.
The only solution I could come up with for horizontal landing gear involved a complete redesign.  Lose the lower tail fin and put a massive amount of anhedral on the wings so they are at 30 degrees to the horizontal.  It would then tail sit on the three points not four and could land horizontally on the wing tips plus a long retractable nose gear.


Wouldn't that rather throw away all the advantages you'd gained by having a VTO capability? You'd still need a socking great runway for landing, in which case you may as well use it to take off too.

Give it a tail hook and string wires across the runway.
The Salmon & Pogo were naval projects after all.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 01, 2015, 03:31:23 am
The other system I thought about using and still may use sometime is just VTO with no landing at all, just fly it into a large dismantleable catching net like some military U.A.V's use, but a lot smaller than those. 5m X 5m should be ample of a target to fly into, for the net I would probably use one of those bungee cord trailer/luggage nets suspended in a braced PVC pipe frame and some sort of yet to be thought about absorption system to be able to catch a heavy model and suspend it instead of rebounding it back out or crushing it.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on October 01, 2015, 03:35:50 am
How about the fine net people put over plants?  It'd be a bugger to untangle from the prop but shouldn't damage the airframe.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 01, 2015, 03:44:55 am
tangle of the prop is not really a issue as most speed controls today have a brake function so the prop probably wouldn't be turning, that netting wouldn't be very resilient to repeated friction and shock and would wear quickly in the centre to a point were the model would pass right on through I would think. I'm rather set on the trailer net as it is thick, stretchy and designed to go over furniture etc... with sharp edges so would last a long time. Also the thickness of the net would work with my 2+ Kg I.C. models as well as electrics, might need a beefier frame for it though.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: perttime on October 01, 2015, 11:47:57 am
I think some have used nets for arresting slope soaring models. Some hills don't have soft grassy landing areas. Not sure what has worked there.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 01, 2015, 02:31:54 pm
I knew I'd started a thread on my Northrop N.63 model somewhere, but couldn't find it, but now I have.

It's here :-  http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37525.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37525.0.html)

but you can't see any of the build pics while Imageshack is still down I'm afraid.   :banghead: :banghead:

[Later] Bizarrely two of the build pics are showing up in that thread, and this is while Imageshack is meant to be down.....  :unsure:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 01, 2015, 07:40:46 pm
I enjoy slope soaring, has been many, many years but I have some great memories, foam wing knock out combat is fun. I'll do some googling on the slope net topic, cheers perttime. :cheers:


Can see all but one pic in your thread Kit, looks like you made good progress, hopefully you will get it finished as I'd love to see it.

"In reality the N.63 bears as much resemblance to an XFV-1 as a Beverley does to an SR-71" sums it up nicely :lol:

P.S. Do you still have the 1/72 drawings on file?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 02, 2015, 01:51:10 am
Ah yes, the pics seem to be re-appearing one by one!  :thumbsup:

I'll check Imagshack in a while.

I do have the drawings to hand, yes. Would you like a set by any chance?  ;)

[Later] I've re-uploaded the missing pic to a working Imageshack  :thumbsup: and now my N.63 thread shows all the pics.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 02, 2015, 03:52:47 am
Yes please. :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 02, 2015, 08:52:19 am
No probs, I'll email them across in a short while.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 17, 2015, 05:56:48 pm
I have been doing some periodic work on my twin Spitfire and P-39 plastic models but not much worth a pic so they can wait until visible progress shows. Meanwhile VTOL Mk2 is getting close to air trials, until I work out a contra-prop that is affordable or within my skills to D.I.Y this is as close as I can get with twin motors facing each other push-pull style. I have thrust tested with the shroud installed and it has positive thrust in the vertical, but only just so I may have to leave it as is for flight instead of dressing it up like I wanted to :banghead:, and it sounds like a blimp :lol:.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202823_zpsmskeqoyd.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202919_zpsu5tm2qbz.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202921_zpsfuvc9vol.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on November 17, 2015, 06:54:49 pm
Wow. Cool prop layout ! Be awesome to see a video so we could hear the sound.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 06, 2015, 11:19:25 pm
Thanks Cap. Vid will have to wait, due to lack of materials the Magpie (VTOL Mk2) has been put on hold and the motors have been removed to be used on a project I'm currently working on that is a little more fitting to the spirit of this site, along with my next project and I hope they lead to some inspiration for some scale plastic models from you lot. :mellow:

As I said I am almost completely out of raw materials to use so I'm recycling some rubbish and looking for alternate building supplies, the fuselage for my current project (that is huge for such a small model :blink:) has been made from the foam inserts from my most recent R/C heli's cut into panels and rearranged, and the cardboard and clear plastic will be used as well. Also picked up a long roll of plastic mesh from a yard sale, not sure what it is meant for, maybe gutter guard or garden edging, regardless it makes a good light base for heli fuselages simply pulled into shape around a basic frame and stitched closed with cotton thread. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on December 07, 2015, 12:59:19 am
You're a very clever man Brad.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 07, 2015, 01:45:36 am
necessity is the mother of invention :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on December 08, 2015, 08:48:14 am
Wow.
I feel the same!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 22, 2015, 02:23:38 am
Here is the roll of mesh, anyone know what it's regular use is?
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%203507_zpslqhkxdjj.jpg)

And a basic full generic fuselage to test, boom is made from different sizes of drinking straws to add some extra stiffness to the mesh.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%203511_zps2aw2deux.jpg)

Simple 2 view of a tiltwing Skyvan responsible for me putting the Magpie tailsitter on hold.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/VTOL%20Skyvan._zpsppvzqtfk.png)

The setup I will be trying in it is only a theory really, it may end up being a total waste of time, there are lots of things that can fail or go wrong and my means of control might not even work. Testing will tell.

To avoid most of the restrictions of limited channels on my radio (7) with limited mixing (once there are one or two mixes established there are normally no free channels left to use, the radio set has 6 fixed mixes and 6 free mixes but can only really use 3 total at any time :banghead:)

I have working so far the two main motors, tilting tail fan and a big (and heavy!) servo for wing tilt. The main motors tilt side to side for roll control in vertical flight and yaw in horizontal flight (has no moving rudder surfaces on fins), tail fan faces down for vertical and tilts with the wing for horizontal. The ailerons are for yaw in vertical and mixed to rudder and reversed for roll control in horizontal. The wing is also mixed to pitch control in vertical for forward/backward movement. Essentially it is a 4 channel helicopter and a 3 channel plane in one, it works in my head I just need to persist until it works in reality.

Here is the basis of the fuselage made from the foam inserts out of the helicopter boxes and scrap 6mm Depron.
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%203513_zpskjmfpji1.jpg)

I was going to build a Skyvan size-ish wing with no dihedral like in the above 2 view from carbon tubing and foam scraps but after the basic fuselage was together I put a old A-10 wing on it and thought it was a good size so cut that in half instead. Probably won't look much like a Skyvan when finished. :rolleyes:
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%203510_zpshvw4fzwr.jpg)

I added some carbon tube, rod and strip along with some leftover heli box foam and tape and it is now that strong I could almost stand the centre without damage, I won't but I think I could. ;D
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%203514_zpsmdgxl0eg.jpg)

I would like to see a plastic model made of a tiltwing Skyvan if anyone is keen? I was imagining it in use with the Royal Flying Doctor Service as a sort of flying med-tent for outback Australia, to the destinations too far for helicopters to make a timely arrival and no landing area for fixed wings.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on December 22, 2015, 02:41:34 am
That looks like gutter guard to me.

Awesome work there on both builds. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on December 23, 2015, 11:47:09 pm
Here is the roll of mesh, anyone know what it's regular use is
Great helicopters! Maybe, with all these frames they are not very stealthy, but they are wonderful, like Very Serious... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 12, 2016, 12:30:23 am
While sorting through some boxes of R/C parts I finally found these, after I have cleaned all the dust off I can finally practice some painting. Also in another box I found the sprues with useful leftover parts and all of the decals, if they are still any good, they have been boxed up in a shed through some very high temperatures for years now...
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%204196_zpsiy1mfdxm.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 15, 2016, 09:32:11 pm
This is what I have been putting all of my time into lately instead of my plastic VTOL MiG for the GB. :rolleyes:

Prototype Tilt Wing, for a scale-ish Dynavert or similar in the future. After much head scratching and giving myself several actual headaches this is what I have constructed so far. I gave up on the foam fuselage in favor of a scratched Balsa, Carbon and light ply article for strength and easy access to install everything. It no longer even resembles a Skyvan like I intended either so it will simply be a generic test bed that looks how it looks.

A much modified tail boom from a helicopter for the pitch rotor at the back replaced my original fixed fan idea, pinion and gears don't match 100% so are very noisy but it works, and now has thrust both directions with zero thrust when there are no stick or gyro control input's. And instead of tilting motors I have added moving vanes/fins behind the motors above and below the wing.

Hoping to have it ready for a test flight in the next few days.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Tilt%20Wing/Picture%20049_zpsrylad5ux.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Tilt%20Wing/Picture%20052_zpsqqxpsdgh.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Tilt%20Wing/Picture%20061_zpsdcvwc8im.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Tilt%20Wing/Picture%20060_zpsauvnu9pu.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Tilt%20Wing/Picture%20057_zpsgsqennqq.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Tilt%20Wing/Picture%20059_zpst5t6c8se.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on March 16, 2016, 01:23:52 am
 :bow: :bow: :bow:
 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on March 16, 2016, 04:53:56 am
Hoping to have it ready for a test flight in the next few days.
Even without actual flight, this is pleasant to see/discover! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 16, 2016, 04:58:24 am
You're right, it no longer resembles a Skyvan!  ;D

Awesome piece of engineering, and I'm looking forward to some in-flight shots later on.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 18, 2016, 11:32:47 pm
 :cheers:

Slow progress, very periodic work times due to life. Tail group is mostly done, hope to have it finished tonight then all that is left is building a detachable nose for battery access, adding some end panels to the wing tip's and covering the fuselage then it should be ready for a test. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 20, 2016, 11:01:50 pm
I've test flown it in hover mode, sluggish control response everywhere but tail motor, not very stable either and not very happy out of ground effect so it will be stripped down to parts ready to start the next project. Wanted to build a tilt-wing, did so and have learned enough for a future build.

No more pics, I didn't bother putting a cover on the fuselage and the tail was very basic.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on March 21, 2016, 10:40:03 am
congratulations for the in-flight test! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 21, 2016, 11:19:50 am
This looks awesome - really looking forward how transitional flight makes progress.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on March 22, 2016, 11:36:35 am
How cool is that ? Excellent job keep it up !

 :cheers: :bow: :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 22, 2016, 07:50:53 pm
Thanks! :cheers:

Used it to test hover ability using the control set-up, found out what I will need for the next one and now has been reduced to parts. For the next one I will need to find a reliable worm drive or something for wing tilt as it was too much load for the servo, tilting on the ground was fine but I wouldn't tilt it in flight. And I need to buy at least two variable pitch props for the main motors.

Anyhow life events have again put a stop to all modelling, could be months this time :banghead: :angry:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on March 23, 2016, 04:04:11 am
Don't worry, we will wait. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 06, 2016, 11:38:49 pm
I have made a start on some subassemblies for the next tilt-wing. All work so far has been to the powerplants. I have removed the boom, belt drive and 90° control push rod from the tail pitch motor. Then I found a steel tube that is the same size as another motors driveshaft and replaced that with it so the control rod can run directly from the servo through the shaft to the rotor. No control slop and no motor lag is the result. :thumbsup:

Changing tail motors also means I can now run everything from one battery pack instead of two different voltage packs and it is now selectable, meaning I can turn it off in forward flight to save power. :drink:


As for the main motors, not being able to afford variable pitch props right now and only having enough helicopter parts to make maybe one of my own I have gone back to using the tilting motor idea. I put together some stiff plastic tube, carbon rods, balsa, servo horns, cotton thread and super glue and I have two tilting motors waiting for a wing to be attached to.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 15, 2016, 01:06:29 pm
Not building models has given me some time to add some colour to my FSX fleet. They are all very basic, I may add some details and try to clean up the stripes etc... over time but I'm happy as is. These are the ones I have done so far in their categories. Many, many more yet to do.

Bizjets.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Bizjets_zpsm2e8sr6n.jpg)

Charter.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/charter_zpsi0u7jrof.png)

Freighters.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Freighters_zpscuqbewd8.png)

Rotorcraft and VTOL.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Rotorcraft%20and%20VTOL_zpspmnme16a.jpg)

Military.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/military_zps2yf3uzqn.jpg)

Warbirds and Classics.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/skyrocket_zpsp2xfmgy4.jpg)

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Mirage G8 before and after repaint and new sweep angles.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/new%20colour%20and%20sweep_zps0bfi8brr.png)

And then swept forward, I imagine they are fixed and the roots are filled in...

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/FSW_zpsluguwix1.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 15, 2016, 02:24:08 pm
Oh yes, repainting FS models is great fun.  :thumbsup:

I used to do that a lot for the virtual airline I 'flew' with until a few years ago.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on May 16, 2016, 03:16:19 am
I like the Wessex. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: MiB on May 16, 2016, 05:11:13 am
I love FSX!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on May 16, 2016, 10:26:51 am
Several of those have a Coast Guard look to them. Very nice work!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 24, 2016, 02:21:52 am
Thanks! :cheers:

Model building has recommenced, not as long break as expected which is good but I had dismantled everything I had together and the part builds expecting to move to another location and now that has not gone ahead I have nothing airworthy, the next try at a tiltwing will take a lot to come together so that is on the back-burner and I'm having another go at a tailsitter instead, this one will have no rudder surfaces as I'm trialling the tiltwing's tilting motors on it for yaw control to see how effective they will be. I have found my (smaller than I remember) stash of balsa and dope along with most of my unbuilt balsa kits. I'm torn between selling the kits for much needed cash or building them or robbing them of parts, I really want to build my Me323 Gigant kit but it is almost 2m span and with a move on the cards damaging it would be all too easy. I'm not going to be doing any plastics until after moving later in the year, some of those unbuilt kits may need to be sold off too.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on May 24, 2016, 08:22:56 pm
I'm not going to be doing any plastics until after moving later in the year
All right, we will wait, sadly but with hope... :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 31, 2016, 10:35:14 pm
I'm not going to be doing any plastics until after moving later in the year
All right, we will wait, sadly but with hope... :-\ ;)
Now that moving will be much later in the year if at all I will dig the plastic kits back out of storage. :rolleyes:
I have started building a R/C FW190 whif that has got me thinking 'I do have 2 un-built Airfix A-8's, a spare A-8 fuselage and a built D-9 to use...' and that has inspired a build. I will attempt a dual build so I can do a flying example and a much more accurate static example.

This is the total of the original beat-up 190 looking airframe I will be using and a basic MS paint drawing of what I have in mind. The R/C model won't have a contra prop, I have made a single motor contra prop unit but it is unsuitable for this unfortunately.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201569_zpsxiv6mzpl.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/FW190%20VTOL_zpsya5tsdu5.png)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 31, 2016, 10:38:42 pm
the next try at a tiltwing will take a lot to come together so that is on the back-burner and I'm having another go at a tailsitter instead, this one will have no rudder surfaces as I'm trialling the tiltwing's tilting motors on it for yaw control to see how effective they will be.

Broke a prop bench testing, 3+ weeks wait for replacement from China. :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on June 01, 2016, 12:11:45 am
Oops! :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 01, 2016, 12:21:59 am
That Fw 190 tail sitter looks cool!  :thumbsup:

Great idea - gotta save that for a hardware version.  :wacko:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 01, 2016, 01:01:56 am
Focke-Wulf Fw-190 meets Lockheed XFV-1 Salmon!  ;)

Wonderfully creative thinking there.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on June 01, 2016, 02:25:56 am
Wow!  love your design.  That's got me thinking...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 08, 2016, 12:40:15 am
Thanks. :cheers:

That Fw 190 tail sitter looks cool!  :thumbsup:

Great idea - gotta save that for a hardware version.  :wacko:

Excellent! I'd really like to see a Dizzy version. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Latest progress, wings tacked on about where I will fix them, all work done over the last few day's has been power related, the motor/prop/spinner in the pic will not be used, instead the cowl will be moved forward covering a larger motor that will have a add on static display contra-prop if all go's to plan.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201770_zps6dowhqqq.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 08, 2016, 02:20:49 am
Excellent! I'd really like to see a Dizzy version. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you - and you get the chance, since I am currently waiting for decals for my next GB project. The result might differ slightly from the profile of this thing, but the basic idea will be kept.
I will, for instance, give it a longer nose/cowling for a BMW 803 engine (similar to the drawing), together with fourl-bladed contraprops. Should look menacing, even though I wonder about the potential armament. Might end up with wing tip pods with unguided R4M missiles. Finding a good paint scheme is tricky, too...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on June 08, 2016, 02:31:42 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 08, 2016, 02:50:37 am
Excellent! I'd really like to see a Dizzy version. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thank you - and you get the chance, since I am currently waiting for decals for my next GB project. The result might differ slightly from the profile of this thing, but the basic idea will be kept.
I will, for instance, give it a longer nose/cowling for a BMW 803 engine (similar to the drawing), together with fourl-bladed contraprops. Should look menacing, even though I wonder about the potential armament. Might end up with wing tip pods with unguided R4M missiles. Finding a good paint scheme is tricky, too...

Awesome, look forward to seeing it!

I plan on starting a plastic one soon myself, somehow I think yours will be done by the time I've even started  :rolleyes: ;D  :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 08, 2016, 03:07:25 am
It's already on the bench. I started yesterday evening with a 1:72 Hobby Boss Fw 190 D-9 (because it's massive and has only few parts), raided the donor bank and started cutting things up.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on June 08, 2016, 03:34:30 am
And i'll be looking out for a suitably cheap 190 at the Swamp & Smell at Expo on Monday.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 08, 2016, 06:00:14 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 08, 2016, 06:27:36 am
Does this, err, Fw 190 thing (already) have a name?

Just opened a thread for my build, in order to keep this one here uncluttered.  :smiley:

And: would you mind if I copy and re-post the original drawing in my FlickR galery as reference (with you as source, of course)?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 08, 2016, 08:26:09 am
No I have no name for it :rolleyes:

I have no problem with the use of the drawing, it was really only a concept arrangement drawing to space the wing, tail and motor on the current R/C model anyhow. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 08, 2016, 09:56:49 am
Thank you very much, highly appreciated! I consider "Focke Wulf Ta 338" as designation - Kurt Tank is always a good reference for extreme designs, and this number was not officially assigned by the RLM to any project, AFAIK. A German nickname TBD.  ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 08, 2016, 04:57:04 pm
Ta 338 :thumbsup:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on June 08, 2016, 08:24:54 pm
I love it! :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 08, 2016, 11:49:32 pm
Understandibly. And this one here will even fly!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on June 09, 2016, 05:48:27 am
Great stuff, love the repaints !

 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 11, 2016, 08:18:49 am
Thanks Captain. :cheers:

Cowl has been cut free on the R/C model ready for extension and reinforcing for emergency recovery parachute attachment points. ;)

Plastic model will be started tomorrow. I have been wasting my time lately as it turns out trying to get a working contra-prop for a smaller R/C Ta 338, I am onto Mk.6 and it's promising but I will stop for now to work on the original R/C Ta 338 and the plastic model.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 12, 2016, 10:08:17 pm
A few pages back I posted some pics of some assembled models, the Fw 190 D-9 has been cut in three for my Ta 338 type aircraft. The F-18 fins are from my abandoned Cold War GB Shkval and have been trimmed and these bombs will be the pods.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202183_zpsrooheszt.jpg)

And while I was at it the p-38 was mutilated thusly for another project.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%202189_zpsvrlofjlg.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 17, 2016, 12:38:21 pm
As a side note...  ;D

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7362/27733349145_14a07fd628_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JfGEua)1:72 Focke Wulf Ta 338 A-1/R2, aircraft „X+ ―” Red of II./EK338 (attached to JG300), Deutsche Luftwaffe; Dortmund, April 1945 (Whif/scratchbuilt) (https://flic.kr/p/JfGEua) by dizzyfugu (https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

More here: http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,42323.60.html

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 17, 2016, 11:55:31 pm
Man that's awesome! :thumbsup: :bow: :mellow: :cheers:

Here is where I'm at with my Fw-190 tailsitter, obviously I'm much further along with the p-38 project as that's what I've been concentrating on. :rolleyes:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0099_zpsin0etvje.jpg)

My PC that runs FSX along with all my other games died last night. :banghead: Plus side is I should get a lot more modelling done.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 18, 2016, 12:52:23 am
Ah, nice, and thanks a lot. I see that you take a different approach to the tail section - looking forward to the outcome!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 18, 2016, 01:49:26 am
LEGO building jigs?

Now THERE'S an idea worth thinking about.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on June 18, 2016, 04:43:32 am
You're a lot further than me Brad.  So far i've just been thought modelling it.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on June 18, 2016, 05:15:46 am
LEGO building jigs?

Now THERE'S an idea worth thinking about.  :thumbsup:

If you can buy Lego outside of the specific themed sets they seem to sell now. Looked a couple of times (don't get me wrong I really just peeked) and it's all sets to make specific things now, kids.....no imagination  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on June 18, 2016, 05:29:58 am
Oh they do use their imagination.  Especially if when they've built the specific thing you tear it down and hide the instructions.   :wacko:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on June 19, 2016, 06:48:11 am
obviously I'm much further along with the p-38 project as that's what I've been concentrating on. :rolleyes:
P-38 work is not waste of time :thumbsup: go on this P-38 of yours... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 27, 2016, 02:54:58 am
Here is last nights progress shot, I have filled in behind the inlets today and I will post a progress shot after the current nights work is finished. It is not far from being finished, besides a lot more PSR I need to scribe or mark the control surfaces and retracted landing gear locations, glue on the canopy and drop tanks, decide on extra weapons if any, make a stand and paint it.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/130_zpsq2n9gvbe.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 27, 2016, 10:51:34 am
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/006_zpsjaypjece.jpg)

The half float is all putty and needs cleaning up, I purchased some toy dough from a dollar store, pushed a Rufe float into the dough and worked it around until I thought it was all touching where needed and gently pulled the float free, then filled the hollow with putty. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 03, 2016, 08:24:28 am
Building work is finished on the P-38 turned flying wing and I have come up with a name and operator, it's been brush primed and when that is dry I can paint and decal tomorrow. I have only added drop tanks, no other weapons. I was going to hang two 500 lb bombs inboard and four rockets on the outer wing for a attack aircraft but I think it looks good as a long range gunfighter.

In hindsight I needed to fill the internals with filler as when I was reshaping the belly I sanded the under pieces way too thin and when I scratched in the landing gear locations I punctured it in several places. :banghead: I fixed the damage best I could but I am rapidly loosing interest and it is best I just finish it. It will be mounted on a stand so hopefully the underside won't be very visible...

Pics soon.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 05, 2016, 12:34:55 pm
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture_zpsj4mhac5b.jpg)

Progress shot with poor quality camera, I need to clean up the canopy frame, paint on a anti-glare panel, add decals and tidy up the stand. It's covered with brush marks but I like it.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: ericr on July 05, 2016, 01:18:37 pm

lovely!

is the half-float making this a flying boat?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 05, 2016, 05:16:53 pm

lovely!

is the half-float making this a flying boat?


Thanks :cheers:

And no, it's for a scratched project down the line. ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on July 05, 2016, 09:40:54 pm
Great model above! :wub: Is this the P-38 turned flying wing you mentionned? I do not recognize the P-38 basis: just nose and cockpit while the fin and wings come from elsewhere?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 06, 2016, 12:59:23 am
Thanks Tophe. :cheers:

P-38 nose and wing centre section, outer wings swept back, drop tanks, canopy and top of fin.

Vultee Vengeance lower fin portion cut and re-arranged.

Grumman Panther lower fuselage and drop tank pylons.

Blackburn Skua elevator halves make the intakes.

A few bits of styrene sheet and a metric ton of filler. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on July 06, 2016, 03:09:49 am
Wow! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
(a metric ton of applause)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 07, 2016, 03:03:50 am
I have come accross some things that will make me broke in the future. I have been and will continue building my own tilt-wings and tilt-rotors from what I already have (a friend gave me a heli last week so my equipment stocks have gone up 6 x blades, 2 x motors, 2 x gearing, 1 x flight controller and 1 x reciever :drink: ) but I found this Dynavert last night: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__85127__Canadair_CL_84_Dynavert_Tilt_Wing_VTOL_PNF_AU_Warehouse_.html and today when I went to the electronic store to buy some solder this quad tilt-rotor was right inside the doorway: http://ares-rc.com/Z-line/V-HawkX4/

Dynavert is $400ish and V-Hawk is $600ish so I may have one of them in a few years when the come down in price. :rolleyes: :banghead:

I have just opened a beer and I am about to put some more paint and decals on the jet wing, I will try to get a pic up later tonight or early morning maybe.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on July 07, 2016, 08:47:40 am
I will try to get a pic up later tonight or early morning maybe.
As you are on the opposite side of the Earth, it is not easy to guess when... but we will wait, happily... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 07, 2016, 09:03:39 am
Well it's now 1:30am and it is finished, a pic will be up very soon. ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 07, 2016, 09:50:01 am
Here is the C.A.C Boomerang II. I chose that name for the following reasons: It's shape, the decals mostly came from a CA-13 and I was following the lead of the P-47 Thunderbolt - A-10 Thunderbolt II. :thumbsup:

I will take some better pics and put it in it's own thread tomorrow.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/003_zps9d6fvd2n.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 07, 2016, 09:55:20 pm
Excuse the wires. :rolleyes:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture_zps2qxwexw6.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture1_zpsrspwpmpr.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture2_zpsuvbkutjn.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture3_zpsv98zza66.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture4_zpszt9syl5l.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture5_zpsjcmc2aym.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture6_zpsgdclyju1.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture7_zpshpmasopv.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on July 08, 2016, 11:21:18 am
Wonderful! Thanks a lot for the enjoyment :wub: :thumbsup: :bow: ;D :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 14, 2016, 05:54:55 am
Thanks Tophe. :thumbsup:

I assembled a twin stacked motor frame as a module to be put into multiple different airframes, but I will have to come back to it later as I need the motors for other idea's so I have disassembled it again. :rolleyes:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/9_zpspgrfjxzl.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/10_zpsvg8xlaip.jpg)

And I made up a carbon rod pyramid with a crude platform to hold a camera so I could line up and steady myself to take this overhead shot:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/11_zpsmje3bpes.jpg)

That I cleaned up a little and mirrored to get this outline shot for a starting point for some rough plans for a R/C ducted fan model. ;D

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/12_zpspbu270mo.png)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on July 14, 2016, 06:21:00 am
Great stuff. This is going to be so cool !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 24, 2016, 02:53:25 pm
Boomerang II build pics, poor quality cheap camera used.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0081_zpsp0s5tj6f.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0093_zpsgibwhwov.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0096_zpseyjhk3na.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0106_zpsdtsmb4s1.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0113_zpsk5bjcveg.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on July 28, 2016, 11:43:22 pm
Interesting pics, thanks!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: DogfighterZen on July 29, 2016, 06:12:27 am
Boomerang II is looking good! :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 01, 2016, 07:05:20 pm
Thanks Tophe. :thumbsup:

Boomerang II is looking good! :cheers:

Cheers, model is done though, I had misplaced the build pics. :cheers: :thumbsup:

The VTO Fw-190 has been put on hold as the motor/prop/battery combination I wanted to use in it doe's not have enough power and there will be more weight added before I call it finished so I need a rethink.

I do have a basic flat foam R/C VTOL tailsitter (within weight limit) ready for flight but one of the electronic gyro's is playing up so cannot fly that until it's sorted, I also have a near finished fuselage for tiltwing Mk4 awaiting a wing, but as that uses the same electronics (I am constantly swapping equipment between projects due to lack of) I'm in no hurry to build a wing for it yet.

I have made a flat foam throw glider of the Boomerang II to find a rough CG, and started plans for two different size models to suit the EDF (Electric Ducted Fan) units I have. The larger of the two will be around 2m wingspan, so I will probably give it a removable fin for transport and storage.

Two plastic models are also slowly being worked on, the 190 VTOL and a RAAF trainer. I also have a idea for a static balsa model that is not a aircraft, my first ever non-aircraft I think. :o

I've had a few more demoralizing life events lately, along with disorder related mood swings and as usual modelling suffers, there may be progress pics soon, if I get anything done worth showing.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 01, 2016, 07:49:19 pm
Oh, poor Flyer, the life of a modeler is not easy when having so many projects and so complicated each one. You deserve a medal for great achievements anyway... ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 02, 2016, 01:27:34 am
Take your time, work on em when you feel it.  We can wait.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: b29r on August 03, 2016, 11:33:12 am
I must say you have very unique and intriguing projects, and they all look great!  Hope to see more about that R/C tilt wing sometime. 
Best regards,
Kem
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 07, 2016, 10:47:38 pm
Thanks all. :thumbsup:

1/72 RAAF trainer has been cancelled, the T-6 cockpit section I was going to be using has instead been put onto Boomerang II to make it a two seater, but it will be no trainer. Also have a basis for a backstory for the Boomerang II. It was difficult cutting into the Boomerang II as it was my first completed whif along with also being my very first finished (paint, decals etc...I have assembled many) static model but I like the new look better already.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 08, 2016, 08:14:54 am
Where are you putting the second crew member inside the Boomerang-II ? The fin is so near, there is no room behind the pilot... In front of the pilot? ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 08, 2016, 03:19:11 pm
The whole crew section has been moved forward, the R/O is sitting slightly in front of where the single seat pilot was and the new pilot seat is almost on the leading edge. :mellow:

I'll put up some pic's when I can, not much data left to use... :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 10, 2016, 02:19:33 am
The engine also has been moved on what will now be called the BAI-14 Boomerang II to make the design more R/C friendly for weight and balance reasons, the move gives a R/W bonus feature that will be mentioned in the backstory that will be revealed along with the 1/72 model of a BAI-14 A two seat fighter and attack variant in the near-ish future, the R/C model of a BAI-14 B single seat ground attack variant will be finished before the A version though as it is what I'm currently building and I have switched to a flat foam board structure for a profile model over the intended built up balsa structure with ducting for build simplicity and speed reasons, also to conserve my balsa stocks as there are many balsa models I want to build in the near future so it will go on the "to build someday list" for a full structure model some other time along with my take of Kit's Tri-Stang and the started and stalled FW-190 VTO...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on August 10, 2016, 03:41:06 am
Great stuff, love the lego jig great idea there ! Thanks for the info on the RC build as well. Excellent !

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 12, 2016, 11:23:02 pm
Really should name myself "Wishy washy modelling inc" as I have changed my mind again mid project. :rolleyes:

I built a small 3 channel BAI-14 for flight testing, as I previously stated I'm envisioning the 'B' version as a ground attack and dive bomber, it was the latter that caused it to fold up and return to earth like a ungraceful butterfly, so the idea has been shelved until I'm ready to build a full structure version, no way to get the required strength into 2m + of flat foam while keeping it light enough to fly well.
As I had only the exit ducting finished for the large BAI-14 B R/C model I've decided to build a basic representation of the RAAF jet trainer I was going to build in 1/72 instead, but most likely not using the CAC-13 tail shape. Think RAAF two seat YaK-23 and that is close to what I'm aiming for. The wing panels are almost now complete and ready to be joined together, they have been severely reinforced, hopefully this will survive the stresses of dive bombing, also hoping it will be rather maneuverable as I still require a reliable bird chaser.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 13, 2016, 09:11:14 pm
Bird chaser with anti-cat dive bombing capabilities?

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 13, 2016, 09:16:07 pm
Bird chaser with anti-cat dive bombing capabilities?

 :thumbsup:

I was thinking to get stubburn Crow's airborne, but yeah! :wacko:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 13, 2016, 09:50:49 pm
as a ground attack and dive bomber
Uh... :-\ I don't like weapons while I still love your model inventions... Maybe I should require help from the psychiatrist?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on August 14, 2016, 12:06:04 am
Uh... :-\ I don't like weapons while I still love your model inventions... Maybe I should require help from the psychiatrist?

I think perhaps that not liking weapons may make you the only sane one around here ...  :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 14, 2016, 12:48:17 am
Nothing wrong with peace, but I like weapons. :wacko:

The "bombs" I drop are the soft Nerf Mini Vortex I think they are called, small foam throwing footballs with a tail and whistle, I have hit myself with one from a great height and I felt it but it didn't hurt, they are harmless weapons. :thumbsup:

I will put a few pics up when I find them, I put a downward facing camera on the model a while ago and repeatedly tried to level bomb myself from 250-300ft, hit myself once and had many near misses but it was tremendous fun and I got some good footage.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 17, 2016, 01:50:49 pm
Wing is now almost one piece, at 1286mm it's the biggest jedelsky style wing I've put together to date, it still needs wing tips and ailerons so span and area will go up. Torn between the underside Yak 23 style jet location or a simple out the back jet pipe, the rest of the airframe keeps changing in my head so out the back may happen. Also keep getting distracted planning a Tophe inspired r/c model when I have enough materials.

I've also removed more plastic and filler from the 1/72 Boomerang II to continue it's change into a BAI-14A Boomerang II.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 17, 2016, 10:11:39 pm
Also keep getting distracted planning a Tophe inspired r/c model when I have enough materials.
Thanks! But... keep focus on finishing the one currently on the workbench... ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 18, 2016, 03:37:35 am
I was going to build a two motor Cessna 337 with a smaller C 337 shaped two (smaller) motor plane for the tail inspired by your P-38 with mini P-38 tail Tophe, but it would take a lot of material and also hold up my main two VTOL motors to power the bigger 337 so I probably won't get around to building it, would you like to draw it?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 26, 2016, 08:07:05 pm
How the BAI-14A looks, and has looked for a little while now. The main nose section came from a lamp from memory, all other parts are from ball point pens. No enthusiasm for it at the moment, I will continue it later on. I have wasted almost two weeks time and several rolls of tape as well as other things messing around with making ducting for my 70mm fan to make a Navy styled jet in the spirit of the current plastic model group build, several attempts produced two workable ducts but I finally decided the weight V's agility compromise is not worth it for looks alone so a open air fan will be used. May or may not still be Navy styled... :rolleyes:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/006_zpssmnhbl5l.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 26, 2016, 08:27:07 pm
How the BAI-14A looks, and has looked for a little while now.
No enthusiasm for it at the moment,
It may be different for observers: I feel quite enthusiastic about how your model has turned! So different and still so great! :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 29, 2016, 10:29:29 am
Thanks Tophe! :thumbsup:


The "bombs" I drop are the soft Nerf Mini Vortex I think they are called, small foam throwing footballs with a tail and whistle, I have hit myself with one from a great height and I felt it but it didn't hurt, they are harmless weapons. :thumbsup:

I will put a few pics up when I find them, I put a downward facing camera on the model a while ago and repeatedly tried to level bomb myself from 250-300ft, hit myself once and had many near misses but it was tremendous fun and I got some good footage.

I couldn't find the decent pics or the vid's they came from, probably in with other all the other lost data when the latest computer died. I did find a few from a lower height release when I was checking to see that the camera was facing the drop area though.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/ba7_zpszrj1p3b8.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/ba6_zpsh9tw4rjf.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/ba3_zps5qgiue5k.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on August 29, 2016, 05:12:04 pm
That is very cool.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 29, 2016, 11:01:16 pm
Thanks Cap :cheers:

Got a late birthday present today, a trio of Spitfires! I'll start on one now. ;D

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0067_zpsgbhexfzc.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 29, 2016, 11:30:10 pm
a trio of Spitfires! I'll start on one now. ;D
Why not starting on two (into a Twin-Spitfire)? or on the three (into a Triplex-Spitfire, I mean) ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 30, 2016, 02:00:38 am
Mmmmmmmmmm, Kentish ale.  You can't go far wrong with that.
Don't chill it.  It needs to be drunk at 4 degrees.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on August 30, 2016, 06:32:58 am
Difference in the Hemispheres - 4 degrees would be freezing in the UK  :angel:

I have a problem with Shepherd and Neame so tend to avoid it if possible, taste is ok it just goes through me  :o
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on August 30, 2016, 07:23:02 am
Ha ha that's hilarious ! A Spitfire us slackers and half-builders can actually finish !

 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 31, 2016, 04:05:55 am
Difference in the Hemispheres - 4 degrees would be freezing in the UK  :angel:

I have a problem with Shepherd and Neame so tend to avoid it if possible, taste is ok it just goes through me  :o

It should be at (pub beer) cellar temperature.  Is that not 4 degrees?  Maybe not.
It shouldn't be chilled anyway.

Or heated.  There is a popular Australian misconception that poms warm their beer up.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on August 31, 2016, 04:11:04 am
I keep all of my beer in the fridge, but too right, once it's poured into a glass and allowed to warm to room temperature it's delicious. Like cheese  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on August 31, 2016, 07:07:29 am
Difference in the Hemispheres - 4 degrees would be freezing in the UK  :angel:

I have a problem with Shepherd and Neame so tend to avoid it if possible, taste is ok it just goes through me  :o

It should be at (pub beer) cellar temperature.  Is that not 4 degrees?  Maybe not.
It shouldn't be chilled anyway.

Or heated.  There is a popular Australian misconception that poms warm their beer up.

Yup pub cellar temperature is usually regarded as being between 52F and 55F (11C to 13C)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 31, 2016, 08:12:52 am
Ha ha that's hilarious ! A Spitfire us slackers and half-builders can actually finish !

 :wub:

LOL, let's not count chickens. ;D

Mmmmmmmmmm, Kentish ale.  You can't go far wrong with that.
Don't chill it.  It needs to be drunk at 4 degrees.


One went into the fridge after the pic, the other on the food shelf, the one in the fridge I'll let warm to room temp before drinking. :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 01, 2016, 03:45:00 am
Although it obviously depends on the temperature of the room i've found that about half an hour is the right time to allow something like this to stand on the bench after removal from the fridge.
Just enough time to suck down a couple of coldies while waiting. :wacko:



Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 01, 2016, 03:45:49 am
 ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on September 01, 2016, 03:46:58 am
Just enough time to suck down a couple of coldies while waiting. :wacko:

Best advice ever lol
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 02, 2016, 01:52:19 am
Big jedelsky style wing for R/C model is now all one piece and now span's 1550mm and to me it looks like a P-51 shape without the leading edge extensions where the landing gear is so I have decided I will be building a flat foam representation of "what if Cessna took the P-51 design instead of Piper with their Enforcer". A proper Cessna Citation Mustang. ;D

Will need to be a very much temporary model though as we ARE now moving sometime soon, over 3000km away so what goes into storage this time will need to be very much reduced and compacted. Might be time to sell almost everything except basic radio gear (and plastic model stash) and start fresh again, would probably be much easier than working out logistics of moving it all when an the end of the day it's mostly all outdated or simply recycled junk. :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 02, 2016, 07:25:53 am

Big jedelsky style wing for R/C model is now all one piece and now span's 1550mm and to me it looks like a P-51 shape without the leading edge extensions where the landing gear is so I have decided I will be building a flat foam representation of "what if Cessna took the P-51 design instead of Piper with their Enforcer". A proper Cessna Citation Mustang. ;D


That'd be just like the later P-51s, like the F, G & H, as they had straight leading edges.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 03, 2016, 06:16:35 am
Yes, the lightweight Mustangs, I like everything about them but the undersize looking landing gear... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 04, 2016, 12:13:06 pm
Now that I have drawn the fin and rear fuselage onto the next foam board I have decided to put the fan under the wing more like the Yak-23 style again, the podded jet Mustang idea I will do to a 1/72 Mustang kit though, I like the look of the drawing I was working from, just need a kit and some suitable engine pods. What was the twin podded jet version of the T-33 called? I've tried googling T-33 variations etc... but no luck.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: rickshaw on September 04, 2016, 10:49:11 pm
Now that I have drawn the fin and rear fuselage onto the next foam board I have decided to put the fan under the wing more like the Yak-23 style again, the podded jet Mustang idea I will do to a 1/72 Mustang kit though, I like the look of the drawing I was working from, just need a kit and some suitable engine pods. What was the twin podded jet version of the T-33 called? I've tried googling T-33 variations etc... but no luck.

"Skyfox"
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 05, 2016, 12:51:37 am
 :banghead: D oh. Of course it has the same name as a light plane I used to fly.  :banghead: Thanx rickshaw.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on September 05, 2016, 10:55:36 am
Sounds good look forward to seeing some pics !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 07, 2016, 04:46:28 am
As is at the moment with a 1m ruler to show size. Out of new foam board so I will need to recycle some materials from previous projects, means it's going to look like a escalating mess until I can tidy it up after final assembly. Now that the basics are roughly to Yak-23 proportions I will be going with the flow from here so I don't even know how it will end up looking. :thumbsup:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/RCEDF_zpsxgp8g6ub.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 07, 2016, 01:35:54 pm
I didn't get anything done on the R/C model last modelling session (that I just now finished) as when I was moving some stuff around to make room to build I had a arm full of items and a small but full toolbox slipped off the top and landed on my P-39 model that used to look like this:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201646_zpslhdydhtu.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201650_zpszl9z1hh5.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Picture%201652_zpsx5ecu2mi.jpg)

The toolbox smashed the tail to pieces and broke both wings at the roots where the jet exhausts were, so I glued the wings back on and filled in the exhausts, I added a plastic tube from a ball point pen to make a single exhaust at the tail and to add some strength to the smashed area. I had cut the 1/48 pilot out not long ago to put in a 1/72 Brewster Buffalo at some stage so I thought I would let him watch the repairs to what he had escaped being subjected to.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF00011_zpslmccua3d.jpg)

And as I was now freshly thinking about V-tails thanks to TheChronicOne mentioning Bonanza's in one of his threads earlier and I had F9F tails laying around it got one. :rolleyes:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0014_zps7sgd9oe7.jpg)

And it is now free from it's jig and one piece again. :thumbsup:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0019_zpszlldechq.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 07, 2016, 08:39:39 pm
Wonderful new piece of invention!

my P-39 model
Do you mean "P-39" as Bell Airacobra?? :blink: What a transformation (before or after repair)... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 07, 2016, 11:30:14 pm
That looks nice!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 08, 2016, 02:39:01 am
Ouch, but good save.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 08, 2016, 06:01:20 am
Wonderful new piece of invention!

my P-39 model
Do you mean "P-39" as Bell Airacobra?? :blink: What a transformation (before or after repair)... :thumbsup:

Thanks Tophe, yes Airacobra P-39, top front fuselage and wings are about all that is Airacobra now after so many changes.

Ouch, but good save.  :thumbsup:

That looks nice!  :thumbsup:

Cheers. :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 16, 2016, 11:47:58 pm
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/0041_zpsjkit3lwa.jpg)

Had a play with cracked effect nail polish while trying to build up some mojo for R/C model building that didn't happen.

1. First try on worn silver. Mottled slightly that I need to hold really close to actually see.

2. Second try over mostly dry purple nail polish coat. Worked but hard to see in photo.

3. Third try over bare plastic. Nada.

4. Fourth try over almost dry 2nd coat Humbrol Enamel. Works well. :thumbsup:

Read the instructions and it states to place over a mostly dry base coat so that's what I did with the nail polish and enamel but not sure if it's essential to the process or not.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 17, 2016, 10:41:52 am
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/0041_zpsjkit3lwa.jpg)

Had a play with cracked effect nail polish while trying to build up some mojo for R/C model building that didn't happen.

1. First try on worn silver. Mottled slightly that I need to hold really close to actually see.

2. Second try over mostly dry purple nail polish coat. Worked but hard to see in photo.

3. Third try over bare plastic. Nada.

4. Fourth try over almost dry 2nd coat Humbrol Enamel. Works well. :thumbsup:

Read the instructions and it states to place over a mostly dry base coat so that's what I did with the nail polish and enamel but not sure if it's essential to the process or not.

Awesome... I really like that 4th result. Three cheers for this one for doing the science!!  That orange and black...with Halloween coming... man... the potential.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on September 17, 2016, 11:14:04 am
Interesting to see where you go with it !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 17, 2016, 09:09:01 pm
I cannot help for the hard work, sorry, while I like the shape (and will probably love the result)... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 18, 2016, 03:39:37 am
Interesting effect there Brad.  That'd look good on a 1/25 car.  Something like a Mitsubishi Evo tuner.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 19, 2016, 06:16:51 am
Now I will need to find out how hard it is to remove before I continue with the Boomerang II. :rolleyes:

I have been busy trying to get the P-39 based model finished as it will be a companion aircraft for my GB entry after the GB is over IF I can get that one built.

Here is before paint:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/008_zps6sxflnet.jpg)

and as it is right now:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/009_zps8tqdohxt.jpg)

I am using paint for light filler as I have nothing else but car body filler to use and that is no fun for shallow fills. :banghead:

The unsanded visible filler is where the now very very thin (but being painted over) canopy collapsed. :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 19, 2016, 07:31:14 am
 ;D Beautiful! I just hope the canopy issue will be cured... :-\
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 19, 2016, 12:12:22 pm
That's lookin killer. :mellow:  I love V-tails.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 20, 2016, 05:35:26 am
Thanks! :cheers:

Top of the P-39 I'm calling done, it's mostly smooth and all over one colour primer. Starting on the underside, have built up it's main fuel tank and landing gear so I'll be spending the rest of the night at least sanding that to shape. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 22, 2016, 11:04:09 pm
At the tail end there is the fin bit that has the tailwheel from a Blackburn Skua and under the wing is the drop tank from the P-39 kit both covered in Auto Body Filler. The tailwheel will go where it belongs and the main wheel push fits in the slot cut into the drop tank. Only need to smooth out the belly a little more mainly at the wing roots, scribe the outlines for the ailerons and wing panel removal points, add the outrigger wheels and paint it. :thumbsup:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0041_zpsoly24d5u.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 22, 2016, 11:26:21 pm
"..... and the main wheel push fits in the slot cut into the drop tank....."

YEZZIR.   :mellow: :mellow: ;D

Manufacturing process commencing !!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 23, 2016, 07:34:48 am
Congratulations for this hard work (I feel unable to be so good...). :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 24, 2016, 10:07:19 am
Cheers guy's.

P-39 based aircraft is finished except all it's wheels need to be added, it's all over white and looks good like that but really needs some colour...

Also picked up the BAI-14 Boomerang II, cleaned off all the nail polish and have continued it's rebuild into a BAI-14B.

No pic's for a little while but I'll put one up when I can. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 24, 2016, 10:23:29 am
Awesome.  I can't wait to see that 39 Fork Tail. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 26, 2016, 03:29:50 am
Update pic, feathered propeller on, ailerons and outer wing panels marked to a depth I'm happy with. One more coat of white tonight before I mark out the other details and features tomorrow. :thumbsup:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/002_zps0p7es3gk.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 26, 2016, 08:33:18 am
 :thumbsup: :wub: So nice...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 26, 2016, 10:22:49 am
Good goin. I might have to pick your brain on scribing,  looks like you did a really nice job. I, however, am scared to death of it. I've filled in numerous panel lines lately and I just leave 'em filled because if I try to scribe it will make it worse.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 26, 2016, 05:31:07 pm
Far from nice I think but thanks! Even though I outlined where I wanted to scribe with tape I have a lot of unintentional lines where I slipped, mostly on the underside near the wing tips where the ailerons end. :banghead:

But my 'technique' is to border the line both sides with a suitable tape, I start very lightly scratching the line with a pin or needle and work through larger tools like the corner tip of mini flat blade screwdrivers etc and finish off with a scribe or compass tip. This is only what will be my second ever completed model so I've only worked this way on my Boomerang II before this, trial and error etc... ;) :thumbsup:

I got uneven depth and line straightness on this and the Boomerang II because of the auto body filler I use, some lines were like plastic onto rock onto plastic onto rock and so on, planning for avoiding filler is a pain, there are still some lines needed on the 39's fuselage where it's ALL filler so I'm going to mask them out and try to paint them on instead when I paint the canopy. :-\
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 26, 2016, 06:27:01 pm
Yeesh.... but thanks for the tips.

The thought hadn't occurred to me to gradually deepen and move through different tools like that. Makes perfect sense. The tape stuff.... awesome. That would help me out.. I tried once or twice to trim the edge of my masking tape to keep paint from peeling off with it but my lines would veer off. I think this stuff will help. If I were to mask on both sides like you that would solve a lot of that.

Plastic on to rock to plastic.... AYYYY.. I can imagine....  What auto body filler do you use?  I've heard of people using the Bondo red glazing putty and said it was really good. Is this what you're using?


Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 26, 2016, 07:26:43 pm
No I don't use Bondo, but after a quick Google I may try some sometime.

This is what I use, budget line polyester resin that contains styrene from any generic auto store.
As I have been staying in temporary accommodation for a long time I've needed to find tidy way's of modelling in small spaces so I put together this box in a plastic bag in a orange/onion mesh bag so I can sand away in my own little world and if I drop it the model gets caught by the mesh and doesn't get covered in dust or worse cause a cloud of dust to clean off everything... That smaller box sits inside a plastic covered cardboard tray from a beer slab so I can sand almost anywhere on the go, even in my lap etc... Also if I have a painted model drying while I'm sanding I put it in the reused cake container like the 39 here so no dust can get near it. :thumbsup:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/0987654_zpsj9meztbp.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 26, 2016, 07:37:15 pm
I like your style, bro. You're speakin my language with all this re-purposed free stuff. 

That sanding box contraption is brilliant and I think I'll be reproducing that. Truly, a good idea...    Your dust cover cake container is good, too. I also use random sh....stuff for that purpose. One thing I learned early is to try to cover up your work to keep dust away.. nothing worse than putting down a really great finish and have it fouled by lint or dust particles or what have you.


"beer slab."   Looks familiar.. Those are really easy to come up with as they contain "modelling lube!"   ;) ;D

In recent weeks or months I've viewed "garbage" in a completely new light. Things I used to not think twice about and just toss into the bin have be granted reprieve and stored away as "scratch build" material. Especially decent, clear plastic type stuff such as you cake container top.

I made a joke on a modeling page on facebook a couple weeks ago about blowing money on kits and in turn only being able to afford to eat TV dinners.... but... "hey, you can use the trays for scratch build!"    ;) ;D

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 26, 2016, 08:39:51 pm
 :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 28, 2016, 02:25:06 am
Sitting in the dark filling and sanding my Boomerang II by torch light as the entire state of South Australia is in a total blackout, fun times.... :angry:

Not much battery power left on the laptop either, had plugged it in to charge probably about 10min before the power went out. :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 28, 2016, 03:05:16 am
I hope the sun is (will be) on our side to help you finish these marvels...
(anyway we will need electricity for the computer, for you to share the pictures) :-\
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 28, 2016, 09:32:27 am
The power went out before 4pm and just came back on about an hour ago so for approx 8 hours I was modelling with only a head torch, I actually got a lot done. Concentrated light and no distractions I guess...

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/1_zpsvnoue211.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/2_zpsctqpavt8.jpg)

All changes made except to the seating arrangements are due to the flight performance of the foam gliders and small R/C version I have made of this so far.

1. Increased fin area behind where the rudder was and sanded the rear fuselage section behind the cockpit to also increase fin area because the flying models all snaked or fishtailed until I swept the fin way back or added fin area. I put it down to the vertical stabilizer was to close in line to where the wing tips are, the wing tips took turns creating more drag than the other or stalling or something and the fin was too small in size and close to the point of movement to keep the nose pointing forward was my theory and the gliders flew snaking free after modification.

2. More reflex has been added to the fillets (yet to be properly shaped and thinned) to reduce the amount of reflex needed on the elevon surfaces for level flight at correct centre of gravity location.

3. Both seats were coming loose during all the sanding so I added filler through the gap in the cockpit floor under both and then braced behind the front seat.

4. Flattened centre section after filling every hollow I could see then started blending the wing trailing edge into line with the new fillets, still lots of work to go here.

5. Filled in the cockpit floor to add strength.

6. Filled in where the inlets were and have started to make up the leading edges.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on September 28, 2016, 10:45:56 am
Woah that looks good. I like the style of your updates as well !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 28, 2016, 04:17:01 pm
Agreed.  Helps people like me learn and fun to read. Better than "text walls." 

Looking forward to more of this contraption.  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 28, 2016, 06:44:58 pm
Thanks guy's, glad you like it. :thumbsup:

BTW Brad, if you haven't gone through my thread yet this is what it looked like in it's first form. Also as a side note even though I have started several this was my first completed scratch build and whiff, also has another first being the only static model I've ever bothered painting. :rolleyes: :mellow:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Capture_zpsj4mhac5b.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/003_zps9d6fvd2n.jpg)
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/Boomerang%20II_zpscnzswcia.jpg)

It's thread is here:

http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,42410.0.html
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 28, 2016, 07:01:53 pm
"Hyper Aggressive" for a first time finish-up and complete whif-scratchery.

You went for the gusto on that one!

I have to say it turned out really nice but the new metamorphosis will be grand. I never would have guessed a P-38 had anything to do with it!! lol!  Now that I see these pics, I can, but not before. Wow!  Almost like a "grand pappy" Komet.

I've opened the link you provided and will peruse.. 

 :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on September 28, 2016, 07:44:08 pm
Heh! Forgot you were a South Aussie, too!

Glad you could get something done in the Big Dark! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 30, 2016, 01:46:47 am
How the P-39 now temporarily named "Electrajet" until I come up with something better, looks. Still needs a coat of white under the wings and on the outer tops of the panels, outriggers and tailwheel added and then clean up the canopy lines when I add it's other lines. Won't get it finished before the GB starts but I'll continue with it during as it is a 'full size mock up' to go on display with my GB Buffalo as 1/48 sport aircraft.

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/004_zps26u7io5h.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 30, 2016, 04:01:11 am
That looks excellent Brad.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on September 30, 2016, 07:02:44 am
Looking good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on September 30, 2016, 08:42:55 am
So much different from the boxart, so much better :thumbsup: :wub: :bow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 01, 2016, 11:32:24 am
How the P-39 now temporarily named "Electrajet" until I come up with something better, looks. Still needs a coat of white under the wings and on the outer tops of the panels, outriggers and tailwheel added and then clean up the canopy lines when I add it's other lines. Won't get it finished before the GB starts but I'll continue with it during as it is a 'full size mock up' to go on display with my GB Buffalo as 1/48 sport aircraft.

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From one Brad to the other, great work Brad-1!   I knew I was going to dig this.

If you can keep it from floating away it'll be awesome when finished. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 07, 2016, 07:27:55 am
Electrajet combination powered sport plane is finished building wise, small sanding job to do on the outriggers and then all I need to do is paint all of it's wheels and tidy up it's canopy outline, then mark out the escape pod and turbine removal locations and my first whif is finally finished! Although the Boomerang II was technically finished first the P-39 was started first. :rolleyes:

Will type out it's spec's and take some pics to be uploaded soon. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Now I need to find some funds to get 3 more CA-13's, 2 more Buffalo's and some parts (1/72 turret with guns of some sort and a suitable twin fin tail unit for starters) to start on what I plan to build next as I already have plans for most of my small stash but that's all for future builds.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 17, 2016, 03:44:32 pm
GB Buffalo is finished, I will give the last few bits glued on another few hours to dry and then I will take some pic's. Also found where I boxed up all my die cast static models and various other plastic or metal toy aircraft, in with those is a 1/48 Buffalo to be used for a size comparison shot. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on October 17, 2016, 03:49:24 pm
What a cool little aero ! Love the tails.

 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 18, 2016, 05:41:37 am
What a cool little aero ! Love the tails.

 :wub:

Same here! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 19, 2016, 12:40:33 am
Thak you, glad you like it, even though it's still unfinished with the Buffalo done my 1/48 sport aircraft collection has officially been started, what will be the next sport plane I wonder, I have no idea yet...

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/DSCF0074_zpstxnddl5p.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on October 19, 2016, 02:51:41 am
 :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on October 19, 2016, 03:03:35 am
A good start.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 22, 2016, 07:36:11 pm
3 more kits ordered, at least one may become the next 1/48 sport aircraft, but all should be pre 1985 so I might make it another GB entry too. :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 23, 2016, 10:00:39 am
Yeah buddy!  I like the non military stuff from time to time. I think my Yak 9 thingy qualifies as a "sport craft" in at least a small way. Flight demo team.. almost was a racer.  Civilianised and souped up... 

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: piko1 on October 23, 2016, 11:43:52 am
it looks lovely  :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 23, 2016, 03:46:08 pm
Thanks! :cheers:

Non military is just a current phase, one that will be revisited time and time again. ;D I was just looking through all of my build and finished pics of my Boomerang II on the computer and have decided to do a better one from a fresh P-38 kit (that I don't have yet) with all my changes from the start instead of what I made from an assembled P-38. The existing Boomerang II will be finished as a two seater sometime.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 23, 2016, 06:14:58 pm
Can't go wrong that way.   :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 25, 2016, 03:22:46 am
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/1_zpsem6wvvnh.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/2_zpsnkeyn1io.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/3_zps93qu2z0l.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/4_zpszqenx0ak.jpg)

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/5_zpswaodzuob.jpg)

Last night, today and tonight I have been building up what was the Boomerang II, it's changed a fair bit now and the wings will change too soon.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 25, 2016, 08:01:37 am
He's a mad man!!!!

This is going to be good..... .. .. :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on October 25, 2016, 08:06:26 am
He's a mad man!!!!
This is going to be good..... .. .. :mellow:
VERY goooood... Glory to madness! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 26, 2016, 08:16:41 am
Thanks! :wacko:

Not much to show with the jet, looks smoother but not much different than in the last pic's, several changes to be made and structure to be added but I am bored with sanding it again for the moment so tomorrow I'll try to finish the still to be renamed 'Electrajet' instead of picking this jet back up.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 26, 2016, 08:19:20 am
I feel that sanding pain!!

The motivation will strike again all on its own after a couple days.   :lol:

Having my own sanding blues trying to get external tanks and bombs finished up....  average about one every other day.  :banghead: ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 26, 2016, 08:27:52 am
Yeah motivation comes and goes, I'm used to it. Got some things like some very basic R/C models that have been in build status for over 6 months for example. :rolleyes:

Actually just trying to keep sane filling in time waiting for the next little GB kits to arrive... ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 26, 2016, 09:22:13 am
Oooh now that sounds promising.  :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Paper Kosmonaut on October 26, 2016, 01:53:49 pm
Good heavens! you really are the King of Putty! You did an amazing job on filling this thing up and shaping it.
Really curious how it will turn out.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 27, 2016, 06:10:11 am
Thanks. :cheers:

Emergency escape system lines have been painted on the Electrajet and plastic sheet has been glued to what was the Boomerang II to get ready to shape the new wing trailing edge.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 28, 2016, 02:45:53 am
I have some progress pics to put up showing the new wing shape of the BAI-?? (previously BAI-14 Boomerang II) but photobucket won't play along so I'll post them tomorrow with others if I can.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 29, 2016, 03:52:34 am
New wing is taking shape, photobucket is still playing up so I have switched to Imigur. Wing will be slightly shortened in span and the tips will not stay that shape, I included the Electrajet to show where the separation joints would be and I don't think I've shown a under shot yet to show it's fixed landing gear arrangement, both will be explained in it's write up that will be posted when it's finished. The red needs some tidying up where I got some bleed through's and I'll do that when adding more white and other to be decided colours.

(http://i.imgur.com/yNmrw0c.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FeVj2Zt.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/FjGqKzL.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/W7C2wOq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/sv3AzuL.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 29, 2016, 07:57:42 am
Hey you got the same little red clamps I do! Whatever you do, don't get any paint on 'em.... it takes WEEKS to dry on those rubber parts and I don't mean "stays tacky" it straight up stays WET for Days and days and days.... 

Lookin good! 

Oh, and you'll like imgur once you get going. I use it and LOVE it. I use to use photobucket years back and for some reason it ground to a halt. Yesterday when I was taking pictures... EVERY SINGLE ONE came out upside down...... thanks to imgur I was able to rotate the pics in seconds without having to re-take them all. In fact, I was able to edit multiple pics at the same time.  Also...the re-sizing option at time of upload is genius.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on October 29, 2016, 08:17:04 am
Very nice! :thumbsup: (a lot of work seems to be done still, but this is very promising) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 30, 2016, 11:08:21 pm
Thanks. :thumbsup:

You would have liked what I almost did to it last night Tophe, I was going to add booms and tail from a Bronco to it but I couldn't immediately think of what to do with a boomless Bronco so I cancelled that...

It might end up being a tailed wing a bit like a Gloster Javelin. Not sure yet, I'll just continue to let it form without a plan like I did with it ending up with the Boomerang II in the first place.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2016, 12:16:03 am
A boomless Bronco would be a wonderful flying wing, somehow ;) but do in your own way, this creation is of course your property! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 31, 2016, 12:26:11 am
 :thumbsup:

Aaargh, empty post box, guess I'll just continue with the wing for another night. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 31, 2016, 01:57:41 am
Instead of procrastinating for ages (like I normally do with anything :rolleyes:) about a new tail group I have just started enlarging the fin, here is a quick pic to show before filler to test new pic sizing.
(http://i.imgur.com/XiFfFkL.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2016, 02:35:07 am
Good! Not easy, maybe fragile, but aesthetically pleasant :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 31, 2016, 05:59:30 am
Fin is all filled in and built up ready for shaping now.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on October 31, 2016, 07:53:46 am
I must try and lay my hands on some Lego. It wasn't around when I was a kid and I had none to buy for and thus nick. Nowadays the only Lego in the shops around here is in the themed sets.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 31, 2016, 07:41:05 pm
Good luck is all I can say. Nothing but those sort of sets available here in Aus either, but even when the assorted block type sets were advertised many years ago I never saw those in the shops here anyhow. Unless I were to buy some themed sets my small amount of Lego will probably not increase very much, I have found what I have at markets, second hand/charity shops, garage/yard sales or Ebay and I still only really have enough to make 1 jig for a 1/72 size model at a time, and usually still need to improvise with other random stuff.

Also I have mixed in with the Lego two other compatible brands that I cannot remember the names of ATM, just as good and hold in place just as well for my purposes.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on November 01, 2016, 12:57:55 am
I must admit I really should look in charity shops more. I've taken old clothes in but never really had a look in them. There's loads in the Crystal Palace Triangle area as well, especially as the area continues to move "up market".

Anyway I'll move this to Blogs now mate as requested   :thumbsup:

Chris
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 01, 2016, 01:25:54 am
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 01, 2016, 02:40:18 am
Try here.
https://shop.lego.com/en-AU/Classic-Bricks

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 02, 2016, 05:15:18 am
Try here.
https://shop.lego.com/en-AU/Classic-Bricks

Will be a useful site for future use, thanks for the link. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 03, 2016, 12:01:22 am
Post box still contained zero kits, hopefully they arrive before the weekend or else they will all instead of just one need to go into my stash as I will not have enough time to do another GB entry, my deadline is way earlier than the GB's and I was planning to build two small kits at the same time. Anyhow here is the latest pic of the wing with the fin mostly filled to size and wing tips clipped, not sure if it will get missiles on rails or tip-tanks yet.

(http://i.imgur.com/2iMmCtb.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 03, 2016, 02:40:30 am
And I turned my favorite Boomerang II pic into one of a flight of four. Not so happy with the pair flying past but the second diving one because of it's scaled down shine underneath looks to me slightly blurry like it's seen through jetwash.

(http://i.imgur.com/tBLbw20.png)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 03, 2016, 05:50:16 am
Just now realized why I don't like the pair flying above, their undersides are in shadow when it should be in light. :banghead:

I'll leave them in there as a reminder to redo it properly.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on November 03, 2016, 08:33:43 am
weird light on a weird plane, this is just perfect! :wub: :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 03, 2016, 09:33:55 am
Thanks Tophe. :cheers:

How about all four in a dive together instead. I'll finish mucking around with MS Paint and get back to building the wing now. :rolleyes:

(http://i.imgur.com/5Vy43tR.png)

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 03, 2016, 11:14:18 am
LOL       


Looks cool, though! 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 03, 2016, 10:05:43 pm
 :thumbsup:

No arrival of kits and it's friday so I won't be joining in with any more GB entries, was going to go full tilt over the weekend to get them done, bugger. :banghead: I have 2 more 1/48 pilots so I was going to do some more 'replica's' from not so popular warbirds but I'll just have to do so in my own time instead. Assuming they turn up...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on November 03, 2016, 10:38:19 pm
You would have liked what I almost did to it last night Tophe, I was going to add booms and tail from a Bronco to it but I couldn't immediately think of what to do with a boomless Bronco so I cancelled that...
A boomless Bronco would be a wonderful flying wing, somehow ;) but do in your own way, this creation is of course your property! :thumbsup:
This idea of Bronco booms somewhere and a boomless Bronco flying wing turned in my mind, round and round... and I think that, thanks to you Flyer, that produced a solid project of model in my mind. For my birthday in December, I plan to buy one 1/144th Bronco kit (Hornet) and two 1/144th F-5 Tiger kits : the F-5s would be close to one another with external booms from the Bronco, and without the F-5 fins, reported on the Bronco flying wing, with maybe low wing... :angel: ;D Thanks again!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 04, 2016, 09:36:03 am
:thumbsup:

No arrival of kits and it's friday so I won't be joining in with any more GB entries, was going to go full tilt over the weekend to get them done, bugger. :banghead: I have 2 more 1/48 pilots so I was going to do some more 'replica's' from not so popular warbirds but I'll just have to do so in my own time instead. Assuming they turn up...

2 months left in the GB!   ;) 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 04, 2016, 09:51:17 am
2 months left in the GB!   ;)

But RW demands bring a early halt to anything with a end date, can only work on my own stuff when I can where I can for now.

You would have liked what I almost did to it last night Tophe, I was going to add booms and tail from a Bronco to it but I couldn't immediately think of what to do with a boomless Bronco so I cancelled that...
A boomless Bronco would be a wonderful flying wing, somehow ;) but do in your own way, this creation is of course your property! :thumbsup:
This idea of Bronco booms somewhere and a boomless Bronco flying wing turned in my mind, round and round... and I think that, thanks to you Flyer, that produced a solid project of model in my mind. For my birthday in December, I plan to buy one 1/144th Bronco kit (Hornet) and two 1/144th F-5 Tiger kits : the F-5s would be close to one another with external booms from the Bronco, and without the F-5 fins, reported on the Bronco flying wing, with maybe low wing... :angel: ;D Thanks again!

Cool stuff Tophe, glad I can bring some inspiration. I cannot really picture it in my mind, can you or have you drawn it?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 04, 2016, 09:54:00 am
Damn that real world!!!   :angry:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 04, 2016, 11:03:25 am
Yes indeed. :thumbsup:

Seems Photobucket is having proplems or something, none of my pics from there are showing.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on November 04, 2016, 11:53:55 am
Cool stuff Tophe, glad I can bring some inspiration. I cannot really picture it in my mind, can you or have you drawn it?
Thanks! I have prepared a whole topic with the project, then building it later, but I encounter as you the current problem of Photobucket ("under maintenance"), so I will show you later, sorry...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on November 04, 2016, 09:51:27 pm
Photobucket seems "out of service" for more than 2 days now... I will post pictures on my own Web-space maybe (I am Lucky I have one, even if I pay for that).
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 04, 2016, 11:38:30 pm
Photobucket seems "out of service" for more than 2 days now... I will post pictures on my own Web-space maybe (I am Lucky I have one, even if I pay for that).

Maybe give Imgur a try, it's free and easy to use, it's what I have been using lately thanks to TheChronicOne and I probably won't go back to Photobucket.

 http://imgur.com
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 05, 2016, 08:08:43 am
I'll second that. The learning curve is minuscule yet the options are varied to enough to solve every problem I've had with picture taking. As usual, I love to mention the auto re-size as a favorite.

Imgur is the best... if I day traded I'd buy stock.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 08, 2016, 05:55:32 am
Nothing done on the plastic model side of things other than reducing what was my Boomerang II down to this pod a day or two ago, I've been slowly working on my R/C electric motors resulting in two nice size brushless motors with speed controllers attached in reuseable modules and a working contra-prop from a tired coaxial helicopter, basically swapping blades for props and reducing the amount of helicopter components to a minimum yet being able to bring it back to being a heli in the future if I want to, but it was not as easy as it sounds. :o

(http://i.imgur.com/Tftz2Z0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2tO51jI.jpg)

Edit: Added a pic to show what I was on about with the R/C motors, as you can see the possibility of a Tri-something is there, maybe not a Stang...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 08, 2016, 07:43:34 am
If you squint it kind of looks like a car of sorts!!   ;D


Cool stuff with the little motors...   I doubt I'll be doing any of that but I definitely want to light a Star trek kit some day.  Cramming wires and gizmos inside models is a whole other level...   You'll have to take a video this time when you finish it up.   ;)  :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on November 08, 2016, 02:42:53 pm
Very cool. That would be fun to dabble in RC !

 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 08, 2016, 07:04:58 pm
Very cool. That would be fun to dabble in RC !

 :wub:

Keeps me sane...ish. :thumbsup:

The kits I was going to put into the GB arrived, now I have a Polikarpov I-16 & I-153 for the stash along with the already stash destined Westland Whirlwind that came with em. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 13, 2016, 05:20:31 pm
I had a lull in activity so I pulled the Polikarpov's back out and found the 1/48 pilots I planned to put in them to size them up, the I-16 is way too small and at 1/48 scale would make a very large R/C model be realistic but not a manned aircraft, I suppose it could make a manned aircraft but it would have a high wing loading with that small area. The I-153 naturally has lots of wing area being a biplane but the pilot is still very big and takes up a lot of fuselage, it would definitely need large access door/s for the pilot but I might go ahead with it now as I have a little time.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 13, 2016, 06:26:46 pm
Hell why not... kind of reminds me of the coin-op horses and stuff that would "move around." Cars, planes, animals....   ;D ;D Bumper cars.  Big people in little vehicle.  :lol:

Maybe make it like part of the whole fuselage/cockpit area opens up and pilot fits inside like them soapbox derby cars where the pilot hunkers down in there, the fuselage is closed around him, and his helmet becomes part of the aerodynamics....

(http://cdn.patch.com/users/22842320/2015/06/T800x600/20150655706a16c6b0c.jpg)

(http://www.ohio.com/polopoly_fs/1.416582.1374985320!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_500/derby28cut-17.jpg)

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 14, 2016, 03:02:52 am
What happened to four pram wheels and some spare lumber with string operated steering?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rheged on November 14, 2016, 03:10:53 am
What happened to four pram wheels and some spare lumber with string operated steering?

I think they call it progress.   4 pram wheels, an old wooden ironing board top  and plaited string steering  worked well enough for me............55 years ago.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 14, 2016, 09:24:03 am
All shopping carts around my my block!   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 14, 2016, 09:29:44 am
I still bear the scars on my right wrist after my attempts at 'adding lightness' to my box cart (I cut out each altrernate wheel spoke from the ex-pram wheels.....) resulted in what can only be termed 'terminal oversteer' as one rear wheel collapsed..............  :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 14, 2016, 09:31:57 am
I still bear the scars on my right wrist after my attempts at 'adding lightness' to my box cart (I cut out each altrernate wheel spoke from the ex-pram wheels.....) resulted in what can only be termed 'terminal oversteer' as one rear wheel collapsed..............  :banghead:

(http://i.imgur.com/AGthMzV.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 14, 2016, 05:38:21 pm
Neat looking machines, with slit vision. :mellow:

I don't know why I didn't do this ages ago, last night I put togeather this poor man's pipe cutter to get some straight cuts on some thick and thin cardboard tubes to finish off these motor pods, they are now covered with white book contact ready to be hot glued onto whatever I build next, without having to concern myself with motor mounts over and over and over....

(http://i.imgur.com/tslLMA0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qpyOZ09.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 14, 2016, 06:43:59 pm
Clever. MacGyver would be proud!    :lol:

Nothing better'n home made.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 15, 2016, 02:23:49 am
The "why didn't I think of this sooner" ideas often turn out to be the best ones.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on November 15, 2016, 06:51:43 am
I still bear the scars on my right wrist after my attempts at 'adding lightness' to my box cart (I cut out each altrernate wheel spoke from the ex-pram wheels.....) resulted in what can only be termed 'terminal oversteer' as one rear wheel collapsed..............  :banghead:

I still bear the scars from when we and my mate realised we'd forgotten the brakes 3/4 way down the hill  :banghead: He got some extra ones when his mum realised he'd nicked the pram wheels from his 1 year old sister's pram and left it propped up on bricks  :angel:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 17, 2016, 06:14:56 am
I had a lull in activity so I pulled the Polikarpov's back out and found the 1/48 pilots I planned to put in them to size them up, the I-16 is way too small and at 1/48 scale would make a very large R/C model be realistic but not a manned aircraft, I suppose it could make a manned aircraft but it would have a high wing loading with that small area. The I-153 naturally has lots of wing area being a biplane but the pilot is still very big and takes up a lot of fuselage, it would definitely need large access door/s for the pilot but I might go ahead with it now as I have a little time.

I've shelved all thoughts on the Polikarpov's and any other GB idea's completely now to concentrate on some portable flying models instead, I have 3 models at various stages of construction. No VTOL's, tiltwings or anything else fancy like that so I won't worry about pics for now.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 21, 2016, 08:08:26 am
I got so frustrated at my R/C projects today for various reasons that I nearly got to the point of destruction so before I did any damage I thought I should do some PSR to calm down, problem is I have nothing in need of PSR right now, this beginning of a Rufe landplane is the result, it may not go any further as it was simply a trial piece before trying to do a proper full putty plane, but I do only have the wings and prop to tackle before cleaning it all up so yeah, we'll see. Unfortunately I only have my poor quality camera to use at the moment, it actually looks much better in the flesh...

(http://i.imgur.com/1W6OV0L.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TmxNblk.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 21, 2016, 08:50:43 am
Looks like a good start to me.  :D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: DogfighterZen on November 21, 2016, 01:22:31 pm
 :o That reminds me of the beginning of my F-16W's wings...  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 21, 2016, 01:45:00 pm

......... I thought I should do some PSR to calm down, problem is I have nothing in need of PSR right now,


Ah well, I could send you some of mine to work on if you like?  ;D :laugh:

Are you building the whole Rufe out of putty, but as a landplane?  :o
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 21, 2016, 05:14:52 pm

Are you building the whole Rufe out of putty, but as a landplane?  :o

That's the plan, if it doesnt work out I'll make the kit into a landplane instead. Like a fixed gear Zero with a full length rudder. :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 22, 2016, 03:52:48 am
I had the cowl, fus halves, canopy and tailplanes attached as a whole fuselage today and it is now the shape of a Rufe but to get the shape it lost almost all details (cowl flaps, panel lines, rudder and elevator lines etc...) and I broke off one side of the tail sanding but I should have it as a whole airframe by this time tomorrow if I get to work on it that is.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 22, 2016, 05:10:53 am
While looking for inspiration for a I-153 scheme I found this tempting beast, not my skill level working with scratched clear parts yet so I'm not going to attempt it but I do love the look.

(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/i153gk/i153gk-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 22, 2016, 07:18:02 am
Stopping my R/C projects and starting the putty Rufe gave me time and inspiration to get the plastic kits back out and so I looked up I-153 colour schemes to get me moving on this Heller kit, there seems to be enough room for the 1/48 pilot and for access to the cockpit the whole cockpit section from the wing trailing edge back to the headrest/turtledeck including the windshield could be hinged on one side instead of individual doors on each side, but I didn't find a scheme that (a) I like and (b) I have colours for and (c) I can actually do. I'll just start building it and hope a simple scheme comes to me.
(http://i.imgur.com/pHeLfaO.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 22, 2016, 10:12:39 am
1/48 pilot for I-153 painted, nylon thread for rigging found and a short plausible story has been concocted that includes my Revell I-16 (with a 1/72 pilot) as a duo, that's all I'm saying about it for now. ;)

Lots of non modelling stuff to do tomorrow but I should have some more work done on the I-153 and made a start on the I-16 by nightfall.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 23, 2016, 12:00:38 am
All done for the day and about to start model building. I had a memory flash back to me today, I brought a 1/144 (I think it was) Su 47 Berkut kit several years ago to use as a 3D aid while building a R/C version that I didn't get around to building (surprise surprise :rolleyes:) and as such I didn't even open the kit box, I have not found it after going through most of my storage shed though, hopefully I find it stashed away somewhere and it's not another one of those items that have grown legs and wondered off...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 23, 2016, 12:16:49 am
That pilots a nice snug fit.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2016, 03:06:22 am
That pilots a nice snug fit.
 :thumbsup:

Yes he is. :mellow:

He is also half painted and is here being used to show off my scratch built 1/48 scale radio control transmitter that will on occasion be linked with a yet to be thought about properly ground base station to be used in many future projects including if all goes well at least one but hopefully two quick GB entry's, and a past project the white V-tail machine. :mellow:

Here he is holding the test piece I used to check the measurements against two of my 2.4 Ghz radio sets reduced by 48 to get a generic size, as this radio he's holding is built by the electronics division of a fictional aircraft company that I am still constructing a storyline for to include most past and many future projects so it can be any shape it turns out but also the correct size to be realistic. I added a spare part to a square section piece of sprue along with a corner from a part number tab and some strips of flash from other random parts to make the antenna and top section, then heated the head of a pin to make the dished out bits for the sticks, the sticks are the eyelet ends of some very small needles and are hard to see, the right side is set at the lowest position as that is the side with the throttle and the other side centred just like all my real sets. the base section was added using a small strip of part number tab and the last pic is as it is currently with first paint layers drying. :thumbsup:
(http://i.imgur.com/wFRg4QH.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/wFBtnyQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/SIPS6Fz.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/brfWZaj.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on November 24, 2016, 06:14:49 am
"Chicken or the fish sir ?"  ;)

Seriously, neat work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 24, 2016, 09:05:49 am
He's flying the aircraft that he's in with the R/C Tx that he's holding???  :o
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 24, 2016, 09:29:36 am
That's some mighty fine scratch building and I dig the concept you have going on. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 24, 2016, 09:30:43 am
 :cheers:

He's flying the aircraft that he's in with the R/C Tx that he's holding???  :o

Close. ;)

One of the many tasks of the Tx handler's will be to use it to fly small pilotless aircraft from another aircraft, not two at once. :rolleyes:

To go with this periodic but ongoing build sequence I will be on the search for more 1/48 figures sometime in the hopefully nearish future, pilot's and not, standing and sitting etc...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 25, 2016, 11:39:29 pm
Not sure where to put this so I'll drop it here as I was researching the F-104 for my own purposes when I seen it. My first thought was 'that looks cool' and then I had a closer look, it seems to be hand painted and rather rough, perfect to copy onto a model then. ;D

(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/McLeod/5800L-3.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 26, 2016, 04:36:15 am
Not sure where to put this so I'll drop it here as I was researching the F-104 for my own purposes when I seen it. My first thought was 'that looks cool' and then I had a closer look, it seems to be hand painted and rather rough, perfect to copy onto a model then. ;D

(http://1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/McLeod/5800L-3.jpg)

Gorgeous.
Hell of a masking job in 1/72.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: ericr on November 26, 2016, 11:37:04 am
Not sure where to put this so I'll drop it here as I was researching the F-104 for my own purposes when I seen it. My first thought was 'that looks cool' and then I had a closer look, it seems to be hand painted and rather rough, perfect to copy onto a model then. ;D


Gorgeous.
Hell of a masking job in 1/72.

beautiful pattern indeed !
maybe if the RW is rough hand painting, it can be done in model with fine handpainting after tracing lines?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on November 27, 2016, 07:23:52 am
Excellent job on the pilot figure !

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 01, 2016, 12:29:29 am
Thanks Cap. :cheers:

Slowly getting the Polikarpov's together, the I-16 is almost whole after forcing it into shape, it keeps trying to give itself anhedral but I have it now so it has a few degrees dihedral and it seems to be holding...

I have been taking progress pics but I wont start a GB thread for them until I'm sure that I'll get them done before the deadline.

Aside from the Poli's I'm finally finishing the V-tail Electrajet (couldn't think up a better name for it so that will do) so that should appear soon with a backstory/explanation, and I'm sorting out parts for a scratch built 1/48 control room trailer for use with all the unmanned aircraft I have planned, and future yet to be planned models.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 06, 2016, 05:17:19 am
The I-16 is one piece but looks terrible, even if I make the GB deadline I doubt I'll put it in as a entry. The amount of clamps, tape and rubber bands needed to get it into shape took their toll, especially where the glue got under the tape and bands. :banghead:

Also trying out correction fluid as a (much needed) gap filler on the I-16 thanks to TheChronicOne, the drying time is a bonus, if I can get it onto the model in time that is. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 06, 2016, 07:37:04 am
To show that I have been building here is some progress pics:

Finished 1/48 R/C Tx between two that I took measurements from:
(http://i.imgur.com/iFjAoAX.jpg)

I-16 in a Lego jig when it was not looking too bad before the troublesome motor and cowling were added:
(http://i.imgur.com/8SxHqCN.jpg)

How I kept the I-153's fuselage straight while drying, the pins are through the rigging holes for alignment, put more through the other holes after the pic was snapped:
(http://i.imgur.com/W8FNQdi.jpg)

And while building those on a bench I was doing some R/C building on the floor at the same time, during one of the many ups and downs between the projects my left knee made a very loud (and painful!) "pop" and has swollen up 3 X normal size and has started seizing up. During some of my down time resting it in the hopes that it will come good again on it's own (I detest getting medical assistance, stubborn that way I guess :rolleyes:) I removed the stand and background and cleaned up the anti-glare panel using MS Paint of this Boomerang II pic, if anyone good at adding backgrounds would like to place it somewhere realistic for me it would be much appreciated.

(http://i.imgur.com/yvD9PEn.gif)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 06, 2016, 08:37:46 am
That really looks cool.  :D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on December 06, 2016, 09:33:56 am
I'd say from the sound of that knee you are due for an MRI
Don't be stubborn, it won't fix itself if it's a torn ligament
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on December 07, 2016, 12:50:43 am
Yeah Brad, get it looked at before you do any more damage.  Better to know what's wrong now than ignore it and have it get worse.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 09, 2016, 01:00:55 pm
All good. :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 18, 2016, 07:46:10 pm
I have stopped on the I-153 to TRY to get the I-16 compleated before the OKGB deadline, they were supposed to be built as a duo but I'll just add the I-153 to the to be built list and put it with the I-16 later. Had the (probably to be renamed) Electrajet "finished" but I was far from happy with it so I have sanded most the paint off and I am currently fixing some area's that I was too lazy to fix before and adding some other features to it like split flaps and a scribed set of lines to show the emergency escape pod area instead of the red paint I had on it.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 20, 2016, 06:24:55 pm
Poor quality pics of progress, Electrajet as it was before I again sanded it down, it's now mostly fixed and is back to being all white, the Rata is now all over yellow and I will be posting a pic of it as so in a little while.

(http://i.imgur.com/Y2a4JuL.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TMPgEYR.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/C0HPiA7.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 20, 2016, 06:47:34 pm
 :lol: :lol: :thumbsup:

Good to see the progress. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 20, 2016, 09:14:56 pm
 :thumbsup:

And now it's yellow. I'm still not 100% sure where I'm going with it.

(http://i.imgur.com/BjVKGI8.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: ericr on December 21, 2016, 01:41:35 pm
:thumbsup:

And now it's yellow. I'm still not 100% sure where I'm going with it.


yellow is a good choice (I like it  ;D )
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on December 24, 2016, 02:51:18 am
Sometimes making it up as you go results in better results than making plans.

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 27, 2016, 12:22:07 am
Indeed, it is now green and yellow and looks IMO rather nice, I Will be putting the landing gear on after typing this and it might make the GB deadline without any extensions. :mellow:

I have cut out a small R/C flat foam board XF5F-1 that was underpowered with the small motors I have and the only other paired motors I own are overkill so I have opted to make it a single engine mock/lookalike twin with empty nacelle shapes with the prop removable for display, it's also looking good to me, I'll post pics of both soon, I'll put up before and after shots of the F5F.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on December 27, 2016, 07:34:38 am
Nice work. I love that Elctrajet !

 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 28, 2016, 10:38:48 am
Thanks Cap. :cheers:

Here is where the XF5F started, I enlarged a Minicraft 1/48 kit by 2.88 to get a outline that fit within the foam board I had left, I made the tail group a tad oversize and the dihedral is more than scale to make it stand out. I haven't finished the additions to it so there is no after pic yet, but I might build the 1/48 kit to look similar.

(http://i.imgur.com/G4wT7dS.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 08, 2017, 01:46:25 am
I'm far from happy with the bomb racks I made for the I-16 so that has missed it's GB slot, too focused on tinkering with R/C components ATM anyhow. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 14, 2017, 09:28:14 am
The I-16 as it is now, no bombs yet...

It's a 1/48 scale model of a giant scale (have not worked out what scale it would be as yet) R/C model, with a 1/48 (ish) scratched 2.4GHz radio transmitter. There is a backstory behind the colour scheme but I'm yet to type it out, it includes several other yet to be built models too.

(http://i.imgur.com/R7uqOla.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/zz0hmZj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/TOhxezH.jpg)

And here is how the XF5F profile model looks with some of the changes, 3rd fin for yaw stability lost by addition of a radar in the nose and a second crew member in a lengthened canopy (yet to be added). The "radar" on this model is actually the spinner for the centre single motor without it's propeller. (the actual reason for the third fin/rudder)
As I stated previously I will most likely make the same changes to my 1/48 plastic kit.

(http://i.imgur.com/gFqF4cI.jpg)

And last pic is of what has been taking my attention away from the above projects, it's the largest model I have made from scrap and recycled materials (maybe excluding the carbon rods and tubes, but they get reused constantly so can be considered recycled I guess). The aim was what if the Granville bro's designed a attack or twin engine pursuit, basically GeeBee crossed with F5F. Not sure if I can stick to that plan with the materials I have left for it. Might end up something completely different. :banghead:

After taking this pic I removed the rear fuselage and tail group to take some length off of it.

(http://i.imgur.com/DdelyZv.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on January 15, 2017, 01:51:21 am
All look great Brad.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on January 15, 2017, 04:26:03 am
All look great Brad.

 :thumbsup:

Yup, especially the I-16
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on January 21, 2017, 12:15:55 pm
Yeah, that Rata scheme is pretty sharp.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on January 21, 2017, 04:30:33 pm
Cool stuff!! I want to see the RC fly!! Never thought about building one but have certainly entertained thoughts of purchasing one and also a drone at some point.

Paint job on the other is fantastic.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 22, 2017, 10:20:58 am
Cool stuff!! I want to see the RC fly!! Never thought about building one but have certainly entertained thoughts of purchasing one and also a drone at some point.

Paint job on the other is fantastic.
:cheers:

Learning to keep them avoiding the ground can take several models or at least replacement parts and time but once learned it's lot's of fun, you said you are into the flying games etc... IMO they are great for honing reflexes/reaction times and hand-eye coordination etc...

Drones hold no interest to me ATM, that will probably change in time.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 22, 2017, 10:26:20 am

Learning to keep them avoiding the ground can take several models or at least replacement parts


Too right! I learnt that lesson many years ago, standing there with the right stick held all the way back and the aircraft in a vertical terminal velocity dive.  :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 25, 2017, 10:49:00 am
All look great Brad.

 :thumbsup:

Yup, especially the I-16
Yeah, that Rata scheme is pretty sharp.

 :cheers:

I have been doing some plastic modelling on the side of getting the large built from scraps R/C model ready for flight, not the I-16's bomb's or the I-153 closer to paint though, instead I've sanded down the Electrajet ready for a redo and also I've been messing around with some putty based Buffalo's. ;) Pic's of all when I can but it will probably be next week sometime. :banghead:


Learning to keep them avoiding the ground can take several models or at least replacement parts


Too right! I learned that lesson many years ago, standing there with the right stick held all the way back and the aircraft in a vertical terminal velocity dive.  :banghead: :banghead:

I had many crashes that were mostly splintered write-off's early on but touch balsa wood I have not had a crash in some years that was my fault, I have had hard "arrivals" due to structural or equipment failure but most stayed in one piece, one I'm proud of and I'm not sure if I've shown it before here but I'm too lazy to look through the thread to see and like I said I'm proud so I'll just show it again if I have is the safe return of this basic I/C powered model with all this damage after having another plane of the same type fly through it during streamer combat. It was a long way off (300-400ish feet) and spun after the collision, I managed to stop the spin and get it flying level pointed back toward us ridiculously low, below the 4ft boundary fence that I managed to get it to just climb over, interesting note is it took nearly full up elevator (among the other crossed sticks control inputs) to stay level and that was a blessing as the tail group had also been knocked loose and the aerodynamic force of the up elevator was enough to keep it locked in place during flight and the rudder was much needed, in the pic I have just rested it back in place. The prop broke on "arrival" as I didn't have time to stop the motor and when I closed the throttle after I knew it was over the fence and within the field boundary it nosed over and dived the last few feet, the loose wing section broke off and flew on ahead and the loose tail group swung up and over backwards onto the fuselage hanging on only by the control rods!

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/idratherfly13/camera18-11-100062_zps66f90205.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on January 26, 2017, 06:27:27 am
That's why I've never got into r/c aircraft. All that effort and then the possibility of a "fatal" crash  :banghead: Immense admiration for those who can deal with that  :thumbsup:

At least with a boat/ship you can paddle out to get it  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 26, 2017, 10:57:18 am

At least with a boat/ship you can paddle out to get it  ;D


Depends how deep the water is if it sinks..............
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: kerick on January 26, 2017, 02:57:33 pm
I'm extremely impressed with people who can fly and RC plane. If it was headed away from me I think I could do it but when its at all different angles toward me I would lose it quickly.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 26, 2017, 03:04:42 pm
I found the trick was to imagine myself aboard the model, and then it was almost second nature.

Keeping your mind on doing that while on the approach to landing can be a tad difficult as you also need to be looking at the model normally to see how far you are above the ground and in which direction you're pointing.

It only took me around 8 models to the hang of it all...................  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 27, 2017, 10:49:49 am
I found the trick was to imagine myself aboard the model, and then it was almost second nature.

I started flying models before flying any type of full size so I couldn't see myself in the model so to speak as I didn't know what it felt like. I found it best until I got used to the orientations to stand with my back to the model looking over my shoulder at it when it's coming towards me, the controls are the same as when it's going away that way. :thumbsup:

It only took me around 8 models to the hang of it all...................  ;) ;D

Only took me 3, I rebuilt each one a number of times over though. ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 27, 2017, 02:04:16 pm
That's a neat idea, the standing with your back to the model I mean, I've never seen that before, but it's so sensible.  :thumbsup:

I'd flown gliders before I ever had any R/C models, so I guess that's why my 'thinking aboard the model' worked for me. I'd only flown free-flight models until then, where any control after the launch is non-existent of course.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 28, 2017, 11:17:40 am
 :thumbsup:
I still fly freeflighters every now and then too, in fact I very recently re-found some plans I had stashed away for some rubber models (MiG-3, FW-190, Me 109, Yak-9, Zero and Fokker DXII) along with some poorly done vac-formed canopy's I had made for them, some tissue and dope, when I finally settle somewhere where I can set up a proper building area I'll do those up as flying whif's.

I have a question related to this from the Martin-Baker M.B.5 thread that I didn't want to sidetrack by asking there.

When dry brushing one of the tricks I was told back when I was figure painting was that it works better when you dry brush using enamels. That was a long time ago however and paint technology has changed a lot.

What is dry brushing?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 28, 2017, 12:16:18 pm

I have a question related to this from the Martin-Baker M.B.5 thread that I didn't want to sidetrack by asking there.

When dry brushing one of the tricks I was told back when I was figure painting was that it works better when you dry brush using enamels. That was a long time ago however and paint technology has changed a lot.

What is dry brushing?


It's a painting technique to either highlight raised detail or to weather the almost finished model.

In JayBee's MB5 example he enhanced the detail of the panel by that technique.

You paint it all-over black first and when it's dry you take a brush and load it with a very small amount of silver paint. Then you brush the brush on a paper towel or similar until most of the paint has been off-loaded onto the towel, and then lightly pass it over the raised detail on the panel. The brush is by then almost dry, thus the name of the technique, and just a small amount of the paint is transferred to the raised detail, it not being wet enough for the paint to fill up the sunken parts if you've got it right.

You can use a similar technique to add exhaust stains along the fuselage or engine nacelle, using black, grey or brown paint to suit. If you keep the paint load very light you can dry brush it layer by layer until it reaches the density you require. The same goes for any weathering need, and I'm sure the AFV guys will be able to add more detail to  this from their point of view.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 28, 2017, 12:22:28 pm
 :cheers:

Sounds simple enough, and it's about time I give weathering a try too me thinks. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on January 28, 2017, 01:30:44 pm
Go for it!

It's great fun and if (when) you overdo things, stripping them back and starting again can be fun, too. (having done just that a few times!  ;D)

The thing to remember is less is more and when you get to the 'it just needs a bit more' stage, stop!, walk away and come back to it later to see if it really does need more.
(again, done that too many times, too)

The experimenting is half the fun, so have at it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 29, 2017, 11:45:39 am
Cheers Rick, I'll have at it with the next model, only have my Buffalo and Rata ATM and I don't want to bugger them up just yet. ;D :cheers:

I have found that cheap acrylic paint when mixed thoroughly into the filler I use before adding the hardener makes coloured filler! The chemical hardening process also dries the paint it seems so it can be handled and sanded in the same time frame as normal, and I have found no bad side affects as yet. :party:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 31, 2017, 04:37:50 pm
Poor quality phone pic for an example of the above. Pic doesn't do justice to how vibrant the colours come out.

(http://i.imgur.com/ftgAvUq.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 05, 2017, 08:01:11 am
Crunch time has arrived, model gear to be all packed up and stored, only modelling happening here now for a unknown timeframe will be on paper or in my head. :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 05, 2017, 09:03:42 am
On top of a Meteor idea from another thread I already have had another idea using a kit I actually have that is in a clear tub facing me, but cannot start on it! :banghead:

I'll need wings and fin from a Mirage III first anyhow, unless I scratch those up...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 13, 2017, 07:00:06 am
Shorter timeframe of no modelling than was expected. :thumbsup:

I ordered two prop motors and a EDF (electric ducted fan) along with their speed controllers and batteries a short time ago with the intention to build a flying model inspired by PR19_Kit's Tri-Stang only based on another aircraft type(s) operated by a different user of the opposition in the spirit of the current GB, they all arrived on Friday, problem is I have got all of the required soldering completed but I have no mojo to continue with it. If I had ordered some plastic kit's of the intended aircraft instead I might have had a started physical model to show... :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 13, 2017, 08:22:50 pm
Done a basic drawing using Yak-3 & Yak-15 3-views mashed together to show what I was thinking of building. If I want to build this in plastic I'll need 3X Yak-3's and a single Yak-15 1/72 kits, possibly mount a radar over the jet intake for a nightfighter version. The full size Yak's I've seen have been powered by Allison engines (I think) so maybe P-38 props for opposite rotation?

Anyhow I shall call it a 'Yakkety-Yak-Yak' ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/sb7RuKk.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on March 14, 2017, 02:13:05 am
What a great idea.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 14, 2017, 04:55:02 am
Hehehehe, I love it!  :wub:

It's a Tri-Stang-ski!  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 14, 2017, 05:39:09 am
 ;D :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: ericr on March 14, 2017, 05:47:49 am

yes ! multi-fuselage with different fuselages is brilliant !
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on March 14, 2017, 07:09:09 am
What a great idea.
 :thumbsup:

Certainly looks good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Captain Canada on March 14, 2017, 07:18:04 am
Especially from the side ! Love the idea.

 :wub:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 20, 2017, 06:48:53 am
Thanks all. :cheers:

I realized that the EDF and electric motors I purchased for it are mismatched, going by the image on the shop site I was under the impression that the fan housing was plastic painted silver, it's actually turned and machined metal of some sort so is MUCH heavier than anticipated (but it's also much more powerful than expected, so that evens it out) and a better match for the larger motors I already use so the aircraft will need to be much bigger too. I will now take my time and draw up a plan (actually drawing, pencil & paper style, never got into CAD aside from using MS Paint to get a basic outline) for a full built up structured "Yakkety-Yak-Yak" instead of a basic flat foam shape. Might take some time to draw the plans up though as I hate doing them, I like to make sure all aspects are covered (scoops, duct's, access panels etc...) and I will only be drawing small area's at a time when doing absolutely nothing else, might take years even. :-\

I had purchased 3 foam boards to make a start on the Tri-Yak last week and so now that I decided that will be a future project I have started on another plane that came to me while thinking about multi-fuselage aircraft, and IMHO it is one of my most plausible idea's I've had recently.

As there were rather small numbers of F-82's built a aircraft to be used for training and maintaining hours wouldn't be a bad idea to reduce attrition to F-82 airframes for such matters. Going with another North American product I thought of a Twin-Texan, if it kept both full cockpits it could have a pilot and radar or navigation students in one fuselage and the respective instructors in the other. So going with that I scaled up a drawing and cut out some templates, after cutting the templates and arranging them into a aeroplane shape I realized that I had done myself no favors by choosing a plane with a such short nose and then doubling it and getting it to balance will be no small challenge, so I made it a 2 seater by removing the rear canopy from both fuselages (only a small amount of foam really, but ANY weight removed from behind the CG counts!) and added a foam "radar pod" to the front of the centre section to represent a nightfighter trainer. Even though I have cut ailerons and flaps into the wings those will be fixed and it will only be 3 channel to start with (rudder's, elevator and throttle) with a large amount of dihedral as I also brought a navigation lighting set with the motors and I want a stable easy to fly model to try them out on, what better aircraft than a nightfighter trainer?

I won't be taking a pic till it's finished, right now it is just T-6 shaped panels. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on March 20, 2017, 04:56:28 pm
The P-51 fuselage was lengthened for the F-82, so would it make sense to do the same for the Twin-Texan?
A constant-section plug behind the wing trailing edge would be easiest.

Just a thought. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 21, 2017, 02:11:33 am
The P-51 fuselage was lengthened for the F-82, so would it make sense to do the same for the Twin-Texan?
A constant-section plug behind the wing trailing edge would be easiest.

Just a thought. 

True, but aesthetically a lengthened Texan to me would look simply wrong and as I said in the last post for a R/C model the T-6 already has a very short nose, unless the rear end is built very light almost all other equipment apart from the powerplant like servo's, batteries & ESC's etc... would all need to be inside the engine cowling area. :-\

I personally don't know why the F-82 had the fuselages lengthened, if it was for weight or stability reasons I'd prefer to increase the horizontal stabilizer area instead.

Anyhoo, centre section, tailplane and fuselage panels are all assembled into a whole now, adding electrics and such tonight and outer wing panels joined on tomorrow if all go's as planned. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on March 21, 2017, 05:57:13 pm
The P-51 fuselage was lengthened for the F-82, so would it make sense to do the same for the Twin-Texan?
A constant-section plug behind the wing trailing edge would be easiest.

Just a thought. 

True, but aesthetically a lengthened Texan to me would look simply wrong and as I said in the last post for a R/C model the T-6 already has a very short nose, unless the rear end is built very light almost all other equipment apart from the powerplant like servo's, batteries & ESC's etc... would all need to be inside the engine cowling area. :-\

I personally don't know why the F-82 had the fuselages lengthened, if it was for weight or stability reasons I'd prefer to increase the horizontal stabilizer area instead.

Anyhoo, centre section, tailplane and fuselage panels are all assembled into a whole now, adding electrics and such tonight and outer wing panels joined on tomorrow if all go's as planned. :thumbsup:

Fair comment.
What about a plug in front of the wing instead, or as well as? Would give a bit more room, a place to add more weight, and while still retaining the familial resemblance would be just 'off' enough to get them scratching their heads... if the Zwilling design wasn't doing that already!

Though probably moot, if you're at that stage in the build...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 22, 2017, 07:15:09 am
Not moot exactly as it is only a flat foam board cut-out shape it can be altered to my liking in outline as long as it balances properly at the end. All suggestions are always encouraged. :thumbsup:

I was pondering the lengthening while putting some more pieces on it today and I agree now that it would be made a little longer as it would probably have bigger engines not being a basic trainer after all, the fuselages would probably be further apart with a bigger tailplane than I have on this basic version too, but I'm running out of materials to change anything with and I like the way it's shaping up. Not much more to do before it's done. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 25, 2017, 02:10:39 am
Just need to tuck away some wies then it's ready for flight, maybe some decoration afterward if it works well. :thumbsup:

(http://i.imgur.com/NtvD7Eq.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 25, 2017, 05:23:13 am
Cor, look at that! It even has a radar pod too! Does that make it a T-6G?  ;D

Or maybe a T-12G...........   ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on March 25, 2017, 05:34:02 pm
Damn, that's cool!!  Get that bad boy in the sky!

Having been reading through here I've developed a bit of an interest in possibly getting into this type of thing myself and have noticed lots of neat "lot" deals on the ol' Ebay with parts and stuff.. I almost pulled the trigger a couple times. 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on March 29, 2017, 06:14:01 am
 :thumbsup: :cheers:

Weather has gone horrible so I've gone decoration over flight prep in the hopes that it fly's well, started canopy panels in black and cowl's orange and I'm just going to make it up as I go and keep it very simple. :mellow:

(http://i.imgur.com/zip897I.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on April 25, 2017, 08:31:23 am
 :banghead: Bang smack in the middle of one of life's SNAFU moments again. :banghead:

Very hit and miss as to when I'll be on here, and as for modelling that's already ground to a halt, and gone backwards in some aspects. :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on April 26, 2017, 04:36:56 am
Bugger.  Whatever it is, hope sorting it is easier than you think.
I've got the appropriate digits crossed for you.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 20, 2017, 07:12:38 am
Thanks for the thoughts Fred, much appreciated. :cheers:

Been a while but here is a update of my activities, no plastic modelling but modelling with plastic. ;D

I have been recycling again, disposable cups from fast food outlets and 1.25L soft drink bottles turned into R/C electric motor housings.

Apologies for the low quality pic's...

I have found that the larger plastic cups from fast food outlets are a perfect size for making ducting for my 50mm electric ducted fan.

(http://i.imgur.com/VZCykSD.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ob1pyst.jpg)

And I am quite proud of this ducted spinner I made mostly from 1.25L soft drink bottles, cotton thread and some balsa. It simulates a contra-prop, only the front prop is there, the rear non turning section collects air going past the front spinner and channels it directly onto and through the motor for cooling. :mellow:

Once I have made a gearbox to turn a actual contra-prop on a single motor I will use a similar set up for cooling too.

(http://i.imgur.com/eTLrhrG.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/VlGmfcP.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/6TK1HQ2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HTQQ479.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/a3FAcNU.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/NMYD1RB.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 20, 2017, 07:15:50 am
Smart thinking there! Looks like some good work.

Damn good to see ya 'round, too!! I was just thinking about you this morning after getting something in the post from Oz. Sure enough, I come to WIM and here you are!  ;D  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 20, 2017, 07:16:58 am
 ;D :thumbsup:

Might be a while till I'm back again though, I'll get back into the swing of things soon I hope...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 20, 2017, 09:03:04 am
Damn good to see ya 'round, too!! I was just thinking about you this morning after getting something in the post from Oz. Sure enough, I come to WIM and here you are!  ;D  :thumbsup:

Just now realized being the bright spark I am that morning for you is night here, and tonight SWMBO was researching Charline Harris and had a map up because of, I pointed to Oklahoma and said something along the lines of "The Brad I keep talking about from what-if lives somewhere there", so there you go, I was thinking of you at probably about the same time then. :wacko:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 20, 2017, 09:55:28 am
Ha  That's cool!   :lol:

Sure enough... find Lawton on there the next go-round and that's the place I've been hunkered down basically my whole life. Only spent very short periods living elsewhere.  SW corner of the state.

AND not only are our times of day reversed so are the seasons... getting really got today.  :wacko: :rolleyes:  Trade ya weather!  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on June 21, 2017, 04:10:20 am
Good to see you back Brad F.  Very creative work on your ducted engines and I like the way you casually say build a contra rotating gearbox.
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on June 22, 2017, 04:57:46 am
Trade ya weather!  ;D

Any time, mate! :thumbsup:

I'm freezing my kn_____s off in the mornings (about 2⁰-3⁰C whenI get up). :o
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 23, 2017, 02:49:50 am
Trade ya weather!  ;D

Any time, mate! :thumbsup:

I'm freezing my kn_____s off in the mornings (about 2⁰-3⁰C whenI get up). :o

That IS a bit much!!  Still... I think I'd do it! Maybe just for a couple weeks though, no more.  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 29, 2017, 08:09:03 pm
Good to see you back Brad F.  Very creative work on your ducted engines and I like the way you casually say build a contra rotating gearbox.
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Very periodically for some time I will be about, to be fair most of the contra-prop "gearbox" is from parts salvaged from several R/C coaxial helicopters, just need to make a support for the lot, add some extra gears from the parts bin and connect the drive to the rear gear that drives the front prop, simple but not easy to get to work properly and/or for a usable amount of time. (current experiments have had a run time measured in seconds :rolleyes:)

But I have not been doing anything to those projects the last few weeks, I have been working on a 64cm wingspan balsa glider of what will need to be called a Boomerang III, it has had many changes in appearance since my 1/72 model, for example the triangular intakes on the 1/72 was changed to a single nose intake and now it has squared side intakes. The fin has also changed shape and has been moved further aft to cure 'snaking' in flight and the wing trailing edge has been extended in chord at the root and the fillets are smaller to allow room for flaps, the engine is now underneath and the main landing gear retracts into large pods instead of inwards into the wing to allow for weapons racks in that area instead.

Also putting together a parts list to build a 1/72 plastic model of the above. :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on July 29, 2017, 08:15:58 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 29, 2017, 09:42:18 pm
Some pics of the Boomerang glider, yet to add landing gear pods, intakes and other details. I only started building a basic sheet model to test approximate settings for the flaps and elevons to be transferred onto a larger controlled and powered model but I just kept on adding to it. :rolleyes: Once I have the settings sorted I had better paint it up to make it all worth while.

Original canopy location.
(http://i.imgur.com/LoBcXw5.jpg)

New canopy location, the pilot may stand some chance of seeing past the wing here... :rolleyes:
(http://i.imgur.com/buRDqhd.jpg)

To remove some weight from the tail end I drilled holes in the fuselage that will be covered with a final layer of 1mm balsa, the fin and rudder have holes under the outer planking too.
(http://i.imgur.com/JloDOaE.jpg)

New style smaller non-curved fillets.
(http://i.imgur.com/JyASLJ0.jpg)

And underside, the flaps and elevons are hinged with small strips cut from a Coke can but are not yet separated.
(http://i.imgur.com/XjZjK9K.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on July 29, 2017, 09:59:09 pm
She's beautiful Brad F.  Very excellent work.
 :bow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 30, 2017, 12:33:54 am
<sigh> That takes me back many MANY years.

It looks great, love the lightening system.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 30, 2017, 03:05:09 pm
Thanks! :cheers:

Just had a look at the weather site and it looks like it will be a very calm (but also very cold :banghead:) week, better get something simple built today to take advantage of that!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: AXU on July 30, 2017, 03:15:41 pm
Mmmmm that's quite nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 01, 2017, 10:20:48 pm
Thanks! :cheers:

Bringing home some bargins today from a simple grocery trip, three books and a kit. :mellow:

(http://i.imgur.com/ldgL5pZ.jpg)

Not being into these type of kits I'll be looking to do a swap with aircraft kit/s sometime soon. It is all there and in it's sealed bags. :lol:

(http://i.imgur.com/F9JXYFx.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 09, 2017, 09:14:01 am
Sort of back for a little while now the SNAFU has eased, I have retrieved my plastic model kits back from storage again, first projects I'll tend to will be finishing the Polikarpov's and the Electrajet.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 10, 2017, 05:09:18 am
Good to see you back Brad F.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 10, 2017, 03:39:58 pm
 :mellow: :cheers:

A group shot as a reminder where I'm at with the above mentioned.
(https://i.imgur.com/FiMu9ux.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 11, 2017, 09:59:55 am
I have mentioned somewhere around here that I have no interest in what the public call "Drones", that still stands but I stumbled onto this very cheap quadrotor (I refuse to call it a drone as it's fully manual controlled :P ) that I noticed used the same size coreless motors that I use with my micro sized radio gear for small planes so I brought one intending to simply break it down for parts, it flies very well though and so I cannot bring myself to do so yet, although I have removed all but one of the LED's from it. :rolleyes:

(https://i.imgur.com/TsaHbj0.jpg)

I then remembered a picture from a book that I had as a youngster that also appeared on this site somewhere of a 4 fan hovering attack craft for the U.S.Army, don't know what it's called but I intend to build something similar using the quadcopter as a basis. :thumbsup:

And as a added bonus when I removed the LED's I put aside the clear covers as I think they will be very useful for plastic models, 4 canopies and a astro-dome. ;D :thumbsup:

(they look much better than in the pic, I should have a better camera to use by the end of the week.)

(https://i.imgur.com/tOHm52W.jpg)

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 12, 2017, 07:22:43 am

I then remembered a picture from a book that I had as a youngster that also appeared on this site somewhere of a 4 fan hovering attack craft for the U.S.Army, don't know what it's called but I intend to build something similar using the quadcopter as a basis. :thumbsup:


Took a little searching but I found the page on this site:

http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,42538.msg737217.html#msg737217
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 12, 2017, 01:09:10 pm
SAY buddy!!!!   :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 18, 2017, 07:47:05 pm
I have been taking pic's of my building efforts but still no good camera to use so I'll put some up later on. The Electrajet has been smoothed out and is all over white again, bottom wing rigging is done on the I-153, wing panels from the Boomerang II have been cleaned up ready for reuse and I have been putting a little something together from my small parts stash. :mellow:

The 4 fan VTOL model from the quadcopter idea was a little premature, I emptied all the equipment out of it's shell and put it on a basic carbon rod frame and it's load carrying ability is tiny above the weight of the needed bit's, a larger quadcopter or a my own set up will be needed if I want to continue with it.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 18, 2017, 07:54:57 pm
Damn right, if it can't haul $H*# around then it's time for more power... . .. .  ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 22, 2017, 09:55:18 pm
 :thumbsup:

Here is where I'm at with my scrap part's model, a single seat Texan thing inspired by the NA-50 and CA-13. Being made from two old assembled models and some donor part's.
(https://i.imgur.com/sI9Qije.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 23, 2017, 12:16:01 am
I can't identify any of those parts although the shape of the vertical tail is naggingly familiar.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on September 23, 2017, 01:49:44 am
Whilst I can't identify the parts it does remind me of a CAC Boomerang. Nice work
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 23, 2017, 02:46:10 am
Harvard tail and wings, the clue is in the '....single seat Texan thing.....' bit.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 23, 2017, 11:48:39 am
Harvard tail and wings, the clue is in the '....single seat Texan thing.....' bit.  ;D ;)
:thumbsup:

Airfix T-6G wing panels, tail group and engine mounting. Rather heavily reshaped Airfix Fw190D fuselage section.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 23, 2017, 12:11:45 pm
Harvard tail and wings, the clue is in the '....single seat Texan thing.....' bit.  ;D ;)
:thumbsup:

Airfix T-6G wing panels, tail group and engine mounting. Rather heavily reshaped Airfix Fw190D fuselage section.


I'd never have figured that out, nice work.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 23, 2017, 02:39:31 pm
Thanks!

With engine and canopy sitting in place.

(https://i.imgur.com/cspVG3i.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 23, 2017, 07:04:45 pm
I pondered FW190 but decided against it.
D'oh!

Good job.  Looks pugnacious.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on September 23, 2017, 10:19:57 pm
I had the Fw.190 part, it was the rest that threw me. :unsure:

Nice Boomerang look to it! :thumbsup:



Actually, I really should get around to my apophenia inspired Fw.190/Boomerang kit bash.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 24, 2017, 10:35:18 am
Good job.  Looks pugnacious.
;D
Nice Boomerang look to it! :thumbsup:

Actually, I really should get around to my apophenia inspired Fw.190/Boomerang kit bash.
Several months ago I grafted the front end of a 190 A-8 with the BMW onto a CA-13, it looked fantastic but I botched it compleatly and now all that is left is the Boomerang's wing and tail. :rolleyes:

I plan to try again when I get hold of some more CA-13 kit's.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 24, 2017, 12:34:37 pm
It totally looks like something from Oz!!! And so does the model airplane!  NYUK NYUK NYUK NYUK!!


(Lookin good, man! I like it!) 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 25, 2017, 12:04:47 am
 ;D :http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?action=post;topic=39500.570;last_msg=782541#cheers:

Several months ago I grafted the front end of a 190 A-8 with the BMW onto a CA-13, it looked fantastic but I botched it completely and now all that is left is the Boomerang's wing and tail. :rolleyes:

I plan to try again when I get hold of some more CA-13 kit's.

Had an unexpected blow to the budget, I had planned or rather hoped to order at least one CA-13 kit (I will need a minimum of 3 for a start to my fictional storyline) with some cash I had become available only to have other expenses drain it. :banghead:

Needed glue & paint too. Blast! :banghead:

On another note I combined FOCKE WULF and TEXAN to get a maybe maybe-not temporary name FOCKAN. ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on September 25, 2017, 04:19:50 am
Look up there!
What is it?
It's a Fockan plane...

 :o
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 25, 2017, 09:23:32 am
 :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 18, 2017, 11:47:00 am
Seems I was slightly preemptive in stating I was back, I have done very little in the way of model building although I have finished the rigging on the I-153 and almost finished some fixed landing gear for the Fockan, I will put together a compilation pic of how I went about it (used a copious amount of Tamiya thin cement, not left myself much to do anything else) and post it sometime in the next week or two.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 18, 2017, 03:36:31 pm
Thanks for buzzin the tower, dude!! Good to see ya when we can.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on October 19, 2017, 03:30:11 am
Hey Brad F.  Looking forward to seeing some pics.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 20, 2017, 06:39:52 am
Thanks for buzzin the tower, dude!! Good to see ya when we can.  :thumbsup:

Ghostrider requesting permission for fly-by... ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 25, 2017, 02:33:49 am
Hey Brad F.  Looking forward to seeing some pics.


O.K. here ya go.

Compilation pic was a failure so I'll just upload them instead.

(https://i.imgur.com/K2e4fYg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/K1JJhIF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hgM91aH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jvBLSWJ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/u8JeWtc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zsjVitc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/yd1IYOY.jpg)

I cut down Stuka gear both like the one on the left.
(https://i.imgur.com/uyBZHLg.jpg)

Made some basic putty molds of the Stuka gear halves.
(https://i.imgur.com/uOspHZu.jpg)

Cut up some sprue's into little pieces, put them in the moulds and added glue.
(https://i.imgur.com/gugbX9j.jpg)

And repeated, and repeated, and repeated, and... you get the point. I used black plastic for the wheels and added some sprue sticks to make them easier to remove, I shouldn't have bothered as they had to be cut from the molds anyhow. :rolleyes:
(https://i.imgur.com/cxQlT2h.jpg)

End product so far, I have gone no further yet. They were still very soft when I cut them free but I only managed to damage one with the cutters (circled in pic).
(https://i.imgur.com/UCNhLeu.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on October 25, 2017, 03:03:06 am
Interesting technique.

Your lego building jigs always impress me.  I must dig some out and have a go myself.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 25, 2017, 03:17:41 am
Those moulded gear legs look like the Skybirds86 Maritn Baker MB5.  ;D

An interesting technique indeed.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 25, 2017, 09:24:55 am
Now this is something,.....  how did you cut them sprues up that small?!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 28, 2017, 01:02:11 am
Those moulded gear legs look like the Skybirds86 Maritn Baker MB5.  ;D
That is EXACTLY what inspired me to do it that way! ;D

Now this is something,.....  how did you cut them sprues up that small?!

Patiently "nibbled" at the sprues with side cutters, took a long time...


Your lego building jigs always impress me.  I must dig some out and have a go myself.


Do so! I'll not stop using lego, easiest way to get things where I want them to be. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 04, 2017, 05:57:36 am
Quick Fockan update, it's the only model I have had time to work on lately, the following pic's are only 10 min old and the glue & filler is still setting. :rolleyes:

Apologies for the bad quality pic's, only have a cheap quality camera to work with still...


Your Lego building jigs always impress me.  I must dig some out and have a go myself.


Do so! I'll not stop using Lego, easiest way to get things where I want them to be. :thumbsup:

Like so:

(https://i.imgur.com/HrIHue1.jpg)

Result:

(https://i.imgur.com/jdzfyM9.jpg)

I am happy enough with how the moulded gear turned out but for various reasons I used the original Stuka gear,now I have them to use down the track along with the knowledge of how to do them again with improvements. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 04, 2017, 06:26:01 am
Oh, and free of the jig just now it is more than strong enough as is not dry to stand on its own legs. Engine tacked in place and canopy only sitting on for pic.

(https://i.imgur.com/4GNrhyc.jpg)

And how it looks on the underside before being cleaned up.

(https://i.imgur.com/ikbKW0e.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 04, 2017, 09:42:58 am
Super cool, bud. Coming together like a set of butt cheeks!  ;D


This is a neat project, for sure. Looks like "all the malarkey" that went onto bottom turned out great... well blended 'n all'at.  :mellow: :mellow:

Taking a few mental notes here for when I get around to taking on a more involved level of scratch building.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on December 05, 2017, 02:32:10 am
Looking good Brad F.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on December 22, 2017, 06:56:23 am
Thanks. :thumbsup:

Slow progress, but progress nontheless.
All the "malarkey" is still being worked on. ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/ONaH8UB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ABj7amA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/V59KkzX.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 23, 2017, 09:06:52 am
There we go!!  Looking more refined being all a solid color. Primer I'm assuming.

Back to the malarkey at hand. . .. .  :laugh: :police:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 03, 2018, 03:36:27 am
I have returned! It may be several weeks or months before I can get back to building tho... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on July 03, 2018, 06:11:09 am
Sorry, who are you? :unsure:


















Just kidding! :wacko:

Welcome back, mate! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 03, 2018, 07:31:57 am
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY  ..... what's happ'nin'  cap'n?!?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on July 03, 2018, 08:22:52 am
 ;D

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY  ..... what's happ'nin'  cap'n?!?

Lot's of issues & drama but nothing to do with modelling so they can stay unmentioned :angry:

When I can actually start models again I want to start here: I've noted some very close similarities between the Percival Provost and CAC Winjeel so why not have a Jet Provost done up as a Jet Winjeel for the RAAF instead of the Macchi MB.326 for jet training. Not the easiest subjects to find kits of but I will be on the lookout for some soon to go with this idea, a Provost, a Winjeel & 2 X Jet Provost's should look good grouped together in RAF & RAAF colours I think.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on May 08, 2019, 09:28:47 pm
RL "seems" to be easing off, with a little luck I "may" even be able to build something soon.  :blink:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 09, 2019, 12:49:28 am
Let's hope it continues to ease off for you.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on May 09, 2019, 12:56:57 am
RL "seems" to be easing off, with a little luck I "may" even be able to build something soon.  :blink:

Great, it can be a PIA at times, but it's better then most of the alternatives on offer  ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on May 09, 2019, 03:27:21 am
Good to see you checking in Brad F.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 12, 2019, 05:36:10 am
Went to my local "hobby" shop* today with the aim of buying a few kit's for myself as birthday presents but it had been several months since my last visit and there was only a handful of kit's left to choose from, a total of six 1/72 aircraft, none of which appealed so I left with a bottle of Tamiya ultra thin cement and a aerobatic R/C quadcopter instead. :rolleyes:

* I say "hobby" shop like that as it's actually a electrical supply store that sell's a small amount of hobby supplies, by the looks of it they are not going to continue with model kit's and there is no other local hobby supply stores so it looks like I'm needing to rely on the internet again. :angry:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on June 13, 2019, 02:57:18 am
Hey, mate, you still in Mount Gambier? :unsure:

If so, you may want to try Toy Kingdom in Millicent. I was there earlier this year & they had a fair* selection of (mostly Airfix?) kits at the time.



*:- I say fair but I really mean pretty piss-poor but it was certainly better than a "handful", being in the 15/20 kits range.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on June 13, 2019, 09:11:49 pm
Hey, mate, you still in Mount Gambier? :unsure:

Unfortunately yes...


If so, you may want to try Toy Kingdom in Millicent. I was there earlier this year & they had a fair* selection of (mostly Airfix?) kits at the time.



 :thumbsup: OK I will have a look when I can, cheers  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 16, 2019, 04:00:25 am
Our new bubs has reached 5 months old now and life has settled down somewhat so time to do some modelling  :mellow:
Have ordered some kits from evilbay and will be bringing my other kits and bit's out of storage soon, until they are all in reach I have purchased some new auto body filler and will be playing around with attempting some BD-5 clones  :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 16, 2019, 05:22:03 am
Cool, it'll be good to see you building something again.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 16, 2019, 06:54:40 am
Yay for clones! 
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 16, 2019, 07:23:54 am
Looking at old pages, I discover today your Twin-Texan, lovely! :wub: (belated congratulations, more than 2 year late sorry…)

The P-51 fuselage was lengthened for the F-82, so would it make sense to do the same for the Twin-Texan?
I personally don't know why the F-82 had the fuselages lengthened, if it was for weight or stability reasons I'd prefer to increase the horizontal stabilizer area instead.
I have read somewhere (I think it is in the book "Edgar Schmued, Mustang designer") that the Twin-Mustang was not at all a double-Mustang. The RD-1120 was a twin-fuselage design, bigger than a double-Mustang, then was adapted on it Mustang-like bubble-canopy and belly-scoop, then the marketing department lied "buy it, no risk of failure, as this is just a double Mustang", but it was not, almost no common part.
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/r_P-51TR7_bbn.JPG)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 20, 2019, 01:19:57 am
I glued the fuselage halves of the BD-5J together and tacked on the canopy, pushed it into some play dough and have made a copy out of filler, I had planned on making heaps of copies for many variations but I think I'll just stick to making one, it's just too damn small and not as much fun as I expected.  :angry:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 23, 2019, 09:17:08 pm
Purchased a Pioneer 2 Yak-15, mouldings, instructions and decal styles look identical to PM products so I guess they are the same company, lesson learned, avoid Pioneer 2 also with future purchase's :angry:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on August 24, 2019, 01:53:46 am
Hey, Brad - nice to see you back again!  :thumbsup:


Purchased a Pioneer 2 Yak-15, mouldings, instructions and decal styles look identical to PM products so I guess they are the same company, lesson learned, avoid Pioneer 2 also with future purchase's :angry:

Yup, and some of them have appeared under the Airfix name on occasion.

Scalemates will probably give you chapter and verse.

IIRC after the guy died, his widow had the moulds either deep-sixed in the harbour, or melted down, depends on which story you hear.


How's the family?
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 24, 2019, 02:04:18 am
Pioneer 2, PM and Matchbox are the same according to scalemates.
I suspect it could be improved somewhat by using Airfix Yak 9d parts.  I think I looked at doing this when I built mine but decided not to for some reason.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2019, 05:16:08 am
I used a couple of the Pioneer 2 variant of that Yak-15 to build my Yak-15Db twinned variant, and found the things to be quite well moulded.

But to quote my write up back then :-

'.....The kit(s) were surprisingly neat and well moulded in a pale cream plastic the consistency of granite. I kid you not, it was quite possible to break a scalpel blade trying to cut through some of the components, and I did, at least twice.....'

Link here https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=23822.msg347150#msg347150 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=23822.msg347150#msg347150)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on August 24, 2019, 05:35:50 am
The Pioneer 2 Kansan, on the other hand, isn't too bad a kit - if a bit basic.
With a new rounded nose, it will pass for a Civil Twin nicely.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 24, 2019, 09:47:34 pm
I used a couple of the Pioneer 2 variant of that Yak-15 to build my Yak-15Db twinned variant, and found the things to be quite well moulded.

But to quote my write up back then :-

'.....The kit(s) were surprisingly neat and well moulded in a pale cream plastic the consistency of granite. I kid you not, it was quite possible to break a scalpel blade trying to cut through some of the components, and I did, at least twice.....'

Link here https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=23822.msg347150#msg347150 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=23822.msg347150#msg347150)

Neat looking model!  :mellow: :thumbsup:

My kit is not of the same plastic, it's softish and grey like the PM Spitfires I have...

One side of the intake is almost square  :angry:
(https://i.imgur.com/QJaqRAS.jpg)

And there are sunken area's where the locating pins are
(https://i.imgur.com/LzqgDcd.jpg)

And the two sides of the fin and rudder are out of alignment by 1 or 2mm :angry:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 25, 2019, 07:09:38 am
Glad you liked the -Db, thanks.  :thumbsup:

That's the same box art as the two I used, but your mouldings are MUCH worse! I must have lucked with an earlier pair.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 25, 2019, 09:03:32 am
Here is where I'm at with the BD-5:

Tophe's drawing that was the inspiration:
(https://i.imgur.com/TnMpeH4.jpg)

Fuselage almost done:
(https://i.imgur.com/6pPXLfr.jpg)

Clear plastic delta wing basis added:
(https://i.imgur.com/9HCJQEt.jpg)

Not sure if I'll change the intake's yet...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Tophe on August 25, 2019, 09:06:41 am
 :thumbsup: Good! Go on!
And thanks for finding an interest in my delirium... ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 25, 2019, 11:17:57 am
Nutty fun is the best fun!!!   ;D   Looks like the cloning process was pretty succesful.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on August 25, 2019, 11:42:48 pm
Nutty fun is the best fun!!!   ;D   Looks like the cloning process was pretty succesful.

It does indeed
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 26, 2019, 05:11:50 am
That Yaks pretty badly moulded.  Thats a shame.  I must check the one in my stash.
When I built my first one I think I used a section of tube to provide a decent exhaust.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 26, 2019, 07:18:38 pm
Hey, Brad - nice to see you back again!  :thumbsup:

How's the family?

Cheers Rick :thumbsup:

They are very good :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 26, 2019, 11:04:32 pm
Added some layer's of filler onto the BD-5's wing's, now for sanding, sanding, sanding...

Even though Bub's is just over 5 months old she is already a major fan of my little pony, been watching episodes over and over and over and I'm now at the point of having most of them memorized, it has warped my thinking to the point that I'm considering making a mlp inspired group of aircraft models...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on August 26, 2019, 11:54:18 pm
It may be a way to exorcise the MLP demons, you should give it a go! ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rick Lowe on August 27, 2019, 12:38:01 am
Hey, Brad - nice to see you back again!  :thumbsup:

How's the family?

Cheers Rick :thumbsup:

They are very good :mellow:

Good to know.  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 31, 2019, 01:09:21 am
Some filler on the wings:
(https://i.imgur.com/rnMNxeG.jpg)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on August 31, 2019, 01:23:07 am
Brought a new set of wheels today, a second-hand hatchback that has a few dings, dents and scratches but seems to be mechanically sound, and most importantly won't be threatening to catch fire when going any sort of distance like my other car...
May even be able to attend some show's now!  :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: NARSES2 on August 31, 2019, 02:18:24 am

May even be able to attend some show's now!  :mellow:

Always good if you can. At the very least it's a boost to the mojo  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on August 31, 2019, 05:11:56 am
Delta Bede is looking good Brad F.

If you can make it across to next years Expo there's a bed here for you.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on September 19, 2019, 01:27:40 am
Delta Bede is looking good Brad F.

If you can make it across to next years Expo there's a bed here for you.

 :thumbsup: cheers, will keep that in mind.

After spending much more on kits than I intended I had better start putting some of them together soon, struggling to come up with a plan for any of them yet though, several will be put aside for use in my fictional aviation business but the other fodder kits I haven't got a clue...  :-\
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on October 24, 2019, 04:55:52 pm
Was going to put a CA-13 together for the out of retirement GB as it fit's into my own what if storyline but all my building equipment is in chaos at the moment due to moving house, may yet have time to get it together for the GB but I don't want to rush it so probably won't get to making a start before the GB is over...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 07, 2019, 09:24:50 pm
Got a desk to use and I have found all my tools, paint's and brushes etc... So I may make a start on a Boomerang, still not certain how to paint it up yet and only have a partial hodge podge back story. Basically it will be a support attack aircraft for ground defences of the aircraft company's own diamond mine (thought that would be a good way for the company to fund it's projects and infrastructure) but during the period of the CA-13's being used there was not much if any air opposition, and I'm yet to decide where the mine would be so camouflage is a unknown at this stage... :unsure:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 07, 2019, 10:53:01 pm
This sounds badass. Expedite.  :mellow: :mellow: :lol:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on November 08, 2019, 12:41:18 am
Argyle in the Kimberley. ;) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 08, 2019, 02:19:33 am
Sounds like a plan Brad F. :thumbsup:
Put it somewhere with predominantly red dirt and you could use something like this.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4282/35242445450_315947a31b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/VGfKcQ)Heinkel He-51 AS 006 (https://flic.kr/p/VGfKcQ) by Fred Maillardet (https://www.flickr.com/photos/156376527@N06/), on Flickr
https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=40229.msg674130#msg674130
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 09, 2019, 12:32:15 am
Neat Heinkel :mellow: :thumbsup: and I was thinking along those line's for camo.

Argyle in the Kimberley. ;) :thumbsup:

Good suggestion but Australia has too few potential 'enemy' forces, B.A.E. (Boomerang Aviation Enterprises, no affiliation with the other B.A.E  :rolleyes: ) will be based somewhere in Aus but the diamond mine will be elsewhere in the world, maybe Africa... :unsure:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Old Wombat on November 09, 2019, 12:57:38 am
Lots to choose from in South Africa. ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on November 09, 2019, 01:36:14 am
Neat Heinkel :mellow: :thumbsup: and I was thinking along those line's for camo.

Argyle in the Kimberley. ;) :thumbsup:

Good suggestion but Australia has too few potential 'enemy' forces, B.A.E. (Boomerang Aviation Enterprises, no affiliation with the other B.A.E  :rolleyes: ) will be based somewhere in Aus but the diamond mine will be elsewhere in the world, maybe Africa... :unsure:
Lots to choose from in South Africa. ;)

Absolutely.  Post war africa has heaps of potential - secret nazi bases, soviet interference, Wakanda, The deep woods of Bangalla...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 11, 2019, 05:21:04 pm
Soviet interference... Hmmm that works in well, the aircraft the mercenary air force encounter at some point are of Russian origin...  :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on November 11, 2019, 05:23:24 pm
And secret Nazi bases also works in well, explains where B.A.E acquired German machinery.  :mellow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on January 15, 2020, 01:40:20 pm
Have not been doing any building at all for a long time now, spirit is willing etc... But yeah... Spending most of my time preventing our now 10 month old (wow time flies!) from getting up to too much mischief. Have been purchasing second hand r/c models rather frequently though, count is now 6 helicopter's (4 of them work, the other 2 have become parts donors for the working ones) and 2 tailsitting VTOL's, flying those have kept me sane and gotten the little one interested in flying things, now she looks at bird's and any full size aircraft that come near.  :lol: :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on January 15, 2020, 08:47:03 pm
Sounds just like me. Anything that flies....    :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 13, 2020, 02:54:34 am
Although I have just picked up a very cheap 1/800 aircraft carrier I doubt I'll have time to build it for the GB so I think I'll stick to the original reason I purchased it and that's to use the aircraft as 1/72 or 1/48  r/c planes... Also just won some eBay bids on a special hobby yak-17 and Focke Wulf p.II, can't think of a naval use for either of those.
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: zenrat on February 13, 2020, 03:04:04 am
Anything can be navalised by painting it blue, scribing fold lines on the wings and adding a hook.
 ;D

 :mellow:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 13, 2020, 03:30:14 am
Anything can be navalised by painting it blue, scribing fold lines on the wings and adding a hook.
 ;D

 :mellow:
:thumbsup: see if I can find some spare time to slap a hook and
some blue on a kit then... :mellow:

Have not been doing any building at all for a long time now, spirit is willing etc... But yeah... Spending most of my time preventing our now 10 month old (wow time flies!) from getting up to too much mischief. Have been purchasing second hand r/c models rather frequently though, count is now 6 helicopter's (4 of them work, the other 2 have become parts donors for the working ones) and 2 tailsitting VTOL's, flying those have kept me sane and gotten the little one interested in flying things, now she looks at bird's and any full size aircraft that come near.  :lol: :mellow:

+ two more helicopters  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 13, 2020, 04:13:01 am

Anything can be navalised by painting it blue, scribing fold lines on the wings and adding a hook.
 ;D


Oh, I like that!  :thumbsup: ;D ;)
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Rheged on February 13, 2020, 10:23:46 am

Anything can be navalised by painting it blue, scribing fold lines on the wings and adding a hook.
 ;D


Oh, I like that!  :thumbsup: ;D ;)

So do I!!
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: JayBee on February 13, 2020, 11:47:20 am
It's logical captain!  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 13, 2020, 12:31:56 pm
Anything can be navalised by painting it blue, scribing fold lines on the wings and adding a hook.
 ;D

 :mellow:
:thumbsup: see if I can find some spare time to slap a hook and
some blue on a kit then... :mellow:

Have not been doing any building at all for a long time now, spirit is willing etc... But yeah... Spending most of my time preventing our now 10 month old (wow time flies!) from getting up to too much mischief. Have been purchasing second hand r/c models rather frequently though, count is now 6 helicopter's (4 of them work, the other 2 have become parts donors for the working ones) and 2 tailsitting VTOL's, flying those have kept me sane and gotten the little one interested in flying things, now she looks at bird's and any full size aircraft that come near.  :lol: :mellow:

+ two more helicopters  :rolleyes:

That's right, throw in with us in this GB! I'm going to lose my @#$^@ on this one, I just know it! Misery loves company.  ;D
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: Flyer on February 14, 2020, 01:02:20 am
 ;D

If I end up building anything at all it will be very basic.

I do have a two seat Seafury that needs a purpose, just need some RAN decals, that could even just be painted overall blue...
Title: Re: Flyers Projects
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 14, 2020, 11:23:20 am
That's the ticket!