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Title: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on October 15, 2013, 12:31:29 pm
Yep, new one on me too. Impressively whiffy entrance though:

(http://media.hannants.co.uk/pics/MM-72003.jpg)

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM-72003

 :blink: :blink: :blink:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 15, 2013, 01:25:47 pm
What's a 'sprengboot' then? Google translates it as 'Busting Boat'........  :unsure:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mr.Creak on October 15, 2013, 01:35:58 pm
What's a 'sprengboot' then? Google translates it as 'Busting Boat'........  :unsure:
Explosive (charge) boat.
Sprengstoff = dynamite.
Sprengen = to burst/ force. blow open.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: kerick on October 15, 2013, 02:09:58 pm
Captain or crew of a "sprengboot" would not be a good long term career move.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 15, 2013, 02:27:03 pm
Just shows Google Translate's spelling limitations.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Captain Canada on October 15, 2013, 03:00:23 pm
What a cool looking beast ! Nice to see the kit, but it looks like it would be easy enough to scratch....
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Father Ennis on October 15, 2013, 07:04:35 pm
Ummmmmmm ......    Is that a pluse jet on the back like a V-1 ???????
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: sandiego89 on October 15, 2013, 07:17:30 pm
Ummmmmmm ......    Is that a pluse jet on the back like a V-1 ???????

It sure looks like a pulse jet- that is the first thing I thought of.  Guess they won't be sneaking up on anyone with that ? :o

Wonder if the vanes on the bow push it under a ship and it drops a charge of some sort?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: martinbayer on October 15, 2013, 07:51:09 pm
There's some (not too well) translated info at the bottom of this thread http://www.histomil.com/viewtopic.php?f=211&t=14265 - the engine was indeed an Argus-As-014 as used on the V-1, while the floats came from the Ju-52.

Martin
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: rickshaw on October 15, 2013, 10:35:47 pm
The "vanes" are the triggering device for the explosives.  The idea was that as it approached it's target the crew locked the rudder and bailed out onto rafts.  The boat kept on going and when it hit the hull side of the ship the bars set off an electrical trigger which exploded the explosives.   The Italians had a similar system for their motorboats and the Germans for various other explosive boats they were developing as the war ended.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: CANSO on October 16, 2013, 08:13:36 am
The "vanes" are the triggering device for the explosives.  The idea was that as it approached it's target the crew locked the rudder and bailed out onto rafts.
There is a different description how the "Tornado" works in this article (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprengboot_Tornado). The floats were the explosive loaded devices and some 2000 meters before the target they had to be jettisoned and reach the target alone, just because of the initial inertia :unsure:. The crew had to return in the boat (or whatever remains from it :lol:). Since only the floats were to be destroyed, the project wanted to save materials, not using expensive torpedoes.
I'm really not sure how the whole thing could work? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Father Ennis on October 16, 2013, 02:14:55 pm
That is very interesting. I think I have everything in my stash to make one ... !!!!!  I'm going to have to check into this .......

Something just occurred to me, just how did this boat go fast enough to make the pluse jet function ????   Aircraft had to be launched by rocket or carried aloft. Hummmmmm.........
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Captain Canada on October 16, 2013, 02:18:54 pm
That is very interesting. I think I have everything in my stash to make one ... !!!!!  I'm going to have to check into this .......

Do it ! It looks so cool on that boxtop

 :wub:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 17, 2013, 08:20:43 am
That is very interesting. I think I have everything in my stash to make one ... !!!!!  I'm going to have to check into this .......

Something just occurred to me, just how did this boat go fast enough to make the pluse jet function ????   Aircraft had to be launched by rocket or carried aloft. Hummmmmm.........

No, it would just need enough air flow to start the fuel burning process inside. Once ignited, the pulse frequency and flap mechanism keeps the process alive, unlike a ramjet engine that needs the high airflow speed. I just doubt somehow that a single Argus pulse engine would get that thing to decent speeds? I have read about bomb ships with an Argus on the back ("Wasserlinse", IIRC), but these were supposed to be small boats, reminiscent of speed boats?

As a side note: the kit appears to be pricey - found one from a German dealer. Not certain if photo etched parts justify more then EUR 30,-...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Father Ennis on October 17, 2013, 03:33:50 pm
After checking out the links,I think I have everything I might need to do one. The only major problem I see is that all the drawings and photos are different in detail. In addition,there was to be a "command boat"  included in the three boat kite or attack group. More to the point, that spring loaded frame is the first detonator and I'm not sure it would be found on the command boat ????   One thing I am sure of is that this was duty for the politically incorrect .... !!!!!   I've also found different descriptions of just how the attack worked,too. It seems that the crew were to jump out of the boat about 2000 m  from the target and swim home or back to the command boat ????   Another version had the crew section detach and go home under it's own power.  There were several kinds of boats of this kind some unmanned others manned.  More on this later after I dig in my spares box........
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Madoc on November 15, 2013, 07:49:03 pm
I just picked up this kit through eBay and it's pretty good.

The instructions are but a single sheet printed on both sides.

Front Side (http://www.flickr.com/photos/43021473@N04/10879210855)

Back Side (http://www.flickr.com/photos/43021473@N04/10879523203/in/set-72157637714450056/#)

The parts count is low with but five small sprues - one clear and four gray styrene for the kit itself.  Two of the sprue are duplicates comprising the floats.

Front side of the sprues (http://www.flickr.com/photos/43021473@N04/10879360474)

Back side of the sprues (http://www.flickr.com/photos/43021473@N04/10879358824)

There's also a small fret of photo-etched brass for the detail bits.

No decals were included as there we no markings depicted.  The quality of the mouldings is good with recessed panel lines and acceptably narrow sprue gates.  Interior detailing of the control cabin is a tad sparse but at this scale and with the relatively small window openings, not much will be seen inside.  This should build up nicely and is esoteric choice for an injected plastic kit.

On eBay I got this for GBP 12.50 ($20.12 USD) and for such an odd little subject done so nicely in plastic I think it a pretty good value.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: comrade harps on November 15, 2013, 08:29:50 pm
WTF? A pulse-jet powered boat?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on November 02, 2014, 04:17:45 pm
More oddballs from Micro-Mir:

1/144th Valiant:

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM144-03.jpg)
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM144-03


1/72nd NIAI-1 Fanera 2 Russian passenger aircraft. Never even heard of this one!

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM72-004.jpg)
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-004


There's also and La-9 and an La-11 in 1/48th, and two subs in 1/350th: a Whiskey III and the USS Mendel Rivers, which was a Sturgeon class SSN fitted with a dry deck shelter for spec-ops:

MM48-005 1:48 Lavochkin La-9 Soviet fighter  £22.99  £19.16
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM48-005

MM48-006 1:48 Lavochkin La-11 Soviet fighter  £22.99  £19.16
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM48-006

Ship kits, full hull (injection)
MM350-14 1:350 Submarine Project 613 Whiskey-III class  £16.70  £13.92
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM350-14

MM350-15 1:350 U.S. nuclear-powered submarine SSN-686 "Mendel Rivers"  £13.30  £11.08
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM350-15
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on November 03, 2014, 06:37:59 am

1/72nd NIAI-1 Fanera 2 Russian passenger aircraft. Never even heard of this one!

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM72-004.jpg)
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-004



Well that's two of us - looks as though the picture is skewed, it isn't I know, but does look a tad odd
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on November 03, 2014, 08:23:54 am
Looks like it was a Burnelli-style lifting-fuselage type affair. Apparently a couple of dozen of them were built and used by Aeroflot in the 1930s.

Be interesting to build it straight out of the box, put it on the SIG stand, and wait for some JMN to go "now that's just bloody ridiculous!"..... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: JayBee on November 03, 2014, 09:22:45 am

Be interesting to build it straight out of the box, put it on the SIG stand, and wait for some JMN to go "now that's just bloody ridiculous!"..... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Yes indeed.  :wacko:

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Martin H on November 03, 2014, 11:35:26 am

Be interesting to build it straight out of the box, put it on the SIG stand, and wait for some JMN to go "now that's just bloody ridiculous!"..... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Yes indeed.  :wacko:



not a problem.......I have one. acquired via ebay from a Ukrainian trader.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: ericr on November 03, 2014, 12:16:45 pm
I just picked up this kit through eBay and it's pretty good.





there exists at least one another kit for the Tornado, and it actually looks a bit different : maybe the documentation on the real thing was not sufficient?


(http://www.ipmsusa3.org/reviews/Kits/Ships/Mando_72_EMB/lw%20boat.JPG)

and actually another one :

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$%28KGrHqMOKogE32llLPYBBOK,08E0e!~~0_35.JPG)

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 03, 2014, 02:30:08 pm
Looks like it was a Burnelli-style lifting-fuselage type affair. Apparently a couple of dozen of them were built and used by Aeroflot in the 1930s.

Be interesting to build it straight out of the box, put it on the SIG stand, and wait for some JMN to go "now that's just bloody ridiculous!"..... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Similar in concept to the Westland Dreadnought which was designed by Robert Bruce
to WWI period blended wing-fuselage concepts of a Russian emigre named Voevodskii
(spelt Woyevodsky in some references) who had sent Airco info on his concept prior to his
1917 arrival in the UK.
Dreadnought crashed on its first flight.

So one wonders if the designers of the LK-1/NIAI-1, Lisischkin and Rentel, were familiar with
Voevodskii's pre-Revolution work.

Interesting link to WIGs according to a 1965 article in Flight: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1965/1965%20-%203168.html

(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww291/joncarrfarrelly/BTS/b47036ab71a9bdde1376bed03daf35ca.jpg)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: luft46models on November 07, 2014, 04:38:29 am
I've built the Mando Models kit, damned thing fought me all the way. Looked ok in the end but not great. I used a electric drill to open up the pulsejet exhausts - that's serious work!
Didn't help that I tried to paint it using Lifecolor paints through an airbrush - never again.

William in Oz
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: kitbasher on November 07, 2014, 04:40:57 am
"now that's just bloody ridiculous!"..... :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

Well to be fair it is!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: philp on November 07, 2014, 07:47:36 am
What a cool looking beast ! Nice to see the kit, but it looks like it would be easy enough to scratch....

I have seen several of these at shows in the past.  The one I remember used floats from the Airfix Ju-52 and a V-1 engine.  This one was at our local show in 2010.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-acvGK2VOa8E/S90EfbfpnvI/AAAAAAAACMg/LjLqqfpKsRk/s720/IMG_2305.JPG)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Captain Canada on November 08, 2014, 06:11:28 am
That's a beauty ! Neat idea and a very interesting subject.

I'd love to get my hands on a few wee Valiants as well. Seem to be reasonably priced !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on January 17, 2015, 05:52:11 am
More pleasing strangeness from Micro-Mir: the Hunley man-powered submarine used in the American Civil War:

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM35-013.jpg)
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM35-013

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._L._Hunley_(submarine) (If you're remotely claustrophobic, this is a horror story up there with the best of them...)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 17, 2015, 06:11:35 am
Didn't they find the Hunley not so long ago?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on January 17, 2015, 06:22:05 am
I'm wondering what practicable weaponry - other then the spar torpedo which has always made me go  :blink:- could be used by the Huntley and her kind ?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on January 17, 2015, 10:11:59 am
Didn't they find the Hunley not so long ago?

Yes, but there's a bit of a debate about it. They definitely found it in 1995, but one guy claims he found it in 1970 and has a lot of evidence to back it up. They raised it in 2004 and managed to identify all the crew (only the CO's name was definitely know from records) and gave them all a full military funeral.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on January 17, 2015, 10:15:08 am
I'm wondering what practicable weaponry - other then the spar torpedo which has always made me go  :blink:- could be used by the Huntley and her kind ?

The spar torpedo might have been what killed her. Theories vary, but one likely one is that it went off too soon while the sub was too close, and the shockwave knocked the crew unconscious. Given that toerpedoes hadn't yet been developed, about the only option was some kind of "stealthy" system for attaching an explosive charge to the ship.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Old Wombat on January 17, 2015, 06:14:55 pm
I'm wondering what practicable weaponry - other then the spar torpedo which has always made me go  :blink:- could be used by the Huntley and her kind ?

At the time - not much.

However, in 1868 the 1st compressed-air powered Whitehead torpedo had been developed.

This torpedo evolved & was almost the only torpedo type available to both sides during WW1.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on January 17, 2015, 09:35:40 pm
There are some CGI images of the inside of the Hunley with it's crew in place on this page: http://www.vernianera.com/Hunley/reconstruction.html

It was MUCH smaller than the contemporary drawing published in reference books suggests! I literally had cold sweats and shakes looking at these. I suspect I'd have difficulties staying in this thing for more than a few minutes if it was up on blocks in a museum. Underwater? No way on this green Earth. Anyone who got in this thing had a whole other kind of courage. :blink: :bow:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on January 18, 2015, 07:39:01 am
Have to agree with you mate.

I've been on an ex RN WWII sub in a museum and that was bad enough, but this ???
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Rheged on January 18, 2015, 07:52:04 am
The interior of an X craft (having a go at the Tirpitz  or cutting cables in Singapore) must have been horrendous too!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 18, 2015, 09:29:19 am
There's an X-Craft at Duxford (of all places) and although you can't actually get in it, they've cut it in half so you can stand on the centre line and look inside. They must spent their entire time folded double in there!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on January 18, 2015, 04:27:49 pm
Didn't they find the Hunley not so long ago?

Raised in 2000. As stated, who found it (Spence vs. Cussler) and when (1970 vs. 1995) still disputed.  ;D

Spar torpedoes and mines were the only available weapons.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on January 19, 2015, 07:32:31 am

Spar torpedoes and mines were the only available weapons.

Yup which were slightly more survivable then the "brace and bit" used in the American War of Independence. Was that barrel sub called the Turtle ? Mind you after failing to drill into the RN ship (copper bottomed) the crew member survived I seem to remember
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: scooter on January 19, 2015, 07:47:31 am

Spar torpedoes and mines were the only available weapons.

Yup which were slightly more survivable then the "brace and bit" used in the American War of Independence. Was that barrel sub called the Turtle ? Mind you after failing to drill into the RN ship (copper bottomed) the crew member survived I seem to remember

Yes it was, and yes he did; used only once, during the Battle of New York.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Turtle_model_at_the_Royal_navy_submarine_museum.jpg/452px-Turtle_model_at_the_Royal_navy_submarine_museum.jpg)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Green Dragon on March 17, 2015, 02:30:14 pm
The 1/144th Blackburn Beverly is in the test shot stage and the owner has said if someone can supply decent drawings he'll do an Armstrong Whitworth Argosy! http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234973041-blackburn-beverley-1144/page-2

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 17, 2015, 04:44:29 pm
The 1/144th Blackburn Beverly is in the test shot stage and the owner has said if someone can supply decent drawings he'll do an Armstrong Whitworth Argosy! http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234973041-blackburn-beverley-1144/page-2

Paul Harrison

Deep joy!  ;D

I've GOT to get one of those. Finished in a Court Line scheme of course.  ;)

My Welsh Models vacform Bev defeated me sadly.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on March 17, 2015, 04:57:21 pm
Beverley! :wub:

The 1/144th Blackburn Beverly is in the test shot stage and the owner has said if someone can supply decent drawings he'll do an Armstrong Whitworth Argosy! http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234973041-blackburn-beverley-1144/page-2

Paul Harrison

He's also asking for drawings of the Belfast. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on March 18, 2015, 05:41:45 am
OH HELL YES!!!  :drink: :party: :cheers:

I need to start collecting 1/144th scale muzzle-loading cannons don't I?  ;)

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 19, 2015, 05:43:09 am
Muzzle loading?

Ah yes, you could pull them back inside the hold to load them. Will you have drop down hatches to cover the gun ports when it's mot in 'fighting mode'?  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on June 07, 2015, 05:57:33 am
Micro-Mir continue pushing the boat out into strange waters:

Micro-Mir
Aircraft kits (injection)
MM48-011 1:48 Yakovlev Yak-18  £21.99  £18.33
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM48-011

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM48-011.jpg)


Micro-Mir
Aircraft kits (injection)
MM72-006 1:72 Moskalev SAM-13  £11.40  £9.50
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-006

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM72-006.jpg)


Micro-Mir
Ship kits, full hull (injection)
MM350-20 1:350 HMS Meteorite submarine  £11.99  £9.99
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM350-20

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM350-20.jpg)

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Hobbes on June 07, 2015, 06:29:42 am
HMS Meteorite? Now that's an unusual subject. (German Type XVIIB sub powered by HTP driving a Walter steam turbine, scuttled at the end of the war, then salvaged, repaired and used by the RN for trials)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 07, 2015, 10:01:58 am
Wasn't the Meteorite the predecessor of the Excalibur and Explorer?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Hobbes on June 07, 2015, 10:16:42 am
Yes. AKA Exploder and Excruciator  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: KiwiZac on June 07, 2015, 01:53:55 pm
Aircraft kits (injection)
MM48-011 1:48 Yakovlev Yak-18  £21.99  £18.33
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM48-011

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM48-011.jpg)
Trumpeter do (did?) a 1/32 Max, so it's cool to see one a size smaller. I've not built Mikro-Mir, although one or two of the aircraft kits are on my List.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Green Dragon on June 07, 2015, 03:22:03 pm
1/144th Beverly is taking a bit more time as they've decided to add interior details!

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Green Dragon on June 07, 2015, 07:44:18 pm
Here is Mikro Mir's Beverly thread (page 3) on Britmodeller including test shot pics and CAD image of the new interior. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234973041-blackburn-beverley-1144/page-3

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on June 08, 2015, 01:17:45 am
Good news! :party:  I'm quite excited about the Beverley, I didn't think we'd ever see an injection kit.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 08, 2015, 02:52:39 am
That's looking VERY promising.

They must have sent a delegation to Paull to get the interior detail sorted, which means it'll be OK to saw the rear doors off and mount them open. Or leave them off altogether, so long as we can scratch up a pair of the small wind deflectors on the top edge of the door opening.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on August 02, 2015, 03:55:04 am
Latest pics on the Britmodeller thread show the clamshell doors as seperate parts.  Due date in three weeks, before the end of August. :party:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Captain Canada on August 06, 2015, 08:19:24 am
That's so cool...I can see a nice Falklands dio supplying Harriers

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 06, 2015, 09:42:12 am
That's so cool...I can see a nice Falklands dio supplying Harriers

 :thumbsup:

With BEVERLEYS?  :o

Need a bit of a time warp there I reckon..........
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: JayBee on August 06, 2015, 12:00:18 pm
As an ATC cadet I remember an annual camp at West Raynham where I watched a Beverley take off, then turn downwind and then "fly across the sky". That phrase has never before or since meant so much about the slow sedateness of flight.

Jim
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 06, 2015, 01:32:48 pm
When 47 Sqdn re-equipped with Bevs at RAF Abingdon in the 50s, they were a far cry from the Hastings that they'd previously flown. The general opinion around the camp was that the Bevs were 'Blocks of Flats with wings' and that they were SO ugly that the Earth repelled them rather than the wings generating enough lift to get them airborne.  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Thorvic on August 06, 2015, 01:54:05 pm
The general opinion around the camp was that the Bevs were 'Blocks of Flats with wings' and that they were SO ugly that the Earth repelled them rather than the wings generating enough lift to get them airborne.  ;D :lol:

Typical Blackburn Aircraft then  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Captain Canada on August 08, 2015, 04:32:33 am
With BEVERLEYS?  :o
Need a bit of a time warp there I reckon..........

Turbine jobs. And hey, with a bit of scribbling you never know, Besides, the 80s weren`t that far off back then ! And the Herc is still flying 40 years later with no end in sight  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: KiwiZac on August 11, 2015, 08:00:12 pm
I had a dream last week I asked Sam to get me an HP Hastings model as a birthday present, but she brought home an awful old-mould Airfix Beverley...?!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on August 12, 2015, 03:08:02 am
In the Britmodeller thread several members petitioned for an Argosy and the Micro-Mir member is making very promising overtures.  Fingers crossed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Thorvic on August 12, 2015, 04:54:10 am
In the Britmodeller thread several members petitioned for an Argosy and the Micro-Mir member is making very promising overtures.  Fingers crossed. :thumbsup:

I wouldn't mind the Beverley being scaled up to 1/72nd scale
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on August 12, 2015, 05:14:54 am
That would be lovely, although the Micro-Mir member said they don't have the technology for large moulds.  He mentioned something about a Ukrainian firm asking about a 3D model (3D Printing?) in 1/72, although that's possibly related to the Argosy.
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234973041-blackburn-beverley-1144/page-4

I wonder if the Argosy wold have parts for both civil and military versions?  Since they're doing the Beverley and Argosy, it would be nice to round of the post-war British military transports with a Belfast.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on September 08, 2015, 12:08:34 pm
Beverley is in stock at Hannants:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM144-008

Pics of an almost finished model on the same thread mentioned previously, looks good:
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234973041-blackburn-beverley-1144/page-4?hl=beverley

From the Micro-Mir member at Britmodeller in response to a request for a Handley Page Hastings:
Quote
We plan to closely engage the British transport aircraft.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: JayBee on September 08, 2015, 12:29:00 pm
it would be nice to round of the post-war British military transports with a Belfast.

OH YES! and please pretty please a Twin Pioneer.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 08, 2015, 04:24:18 pm
Beverley is in stock at Hannants:
http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM144-008

Hm, I wonder how large a 1/144 scale of the Rock of Gibralter would be...........  ;) :lol:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on September 09, 2015, 06:10:59 am
Quote
We plan to closely engage the British transport aircraft.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

AAA or Mig's ?  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Captain Canada on September 09, 2015, 06:16:34 am
Funny stuff ! The Beverly in the link looks awesome ! Love 144th scale  :wub:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on September 09, 2015, 10:58:20 am
Quote
We plan to closely engage the British transport aircraft.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

AAA or Mig's ?  ;D

If it's a Beverley, wouldn't an elephant gun be more appropriate?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 09, 2015, 11:15:01 am
Quote
We plan to closely engage the British transport aircraft.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

AAA or Mig's ?  ;D

If it's a Beverley, wouldn't an elephant gun be more appropriate?

Naah, a punt-gun.  ;D

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FQ3eEEWrKn0/TaIz4uv0AzI/AAAAAAAAAug/5kDdI8HTp3w/s1600/Punt+and+gun.JPG)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on September 09, 2015, 02:57:55 pm
LOL - there's an excellent display of, and about, punt guns in the Royal Armouries at Leeds: it's priceless watching people's faces as they watch the video and listening to the kids, "he's hunting those tiny little birds with that HUGE gun? What the Hell?" :o
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Rheged on September 09, 2015, 03:08:42 pm
LOL - there's an excellent display of, and about, punt guns in the Royal Armouries at Leeds: it's priceless watching people's faces as they watch the video and listening to the kids, "he's hunting those tiny little birds with that HUGE gun? What the Hell?" :o

I've seen one being fired 'for real'.   He's hunting ALL of those tiny little birds in one shot.    The gun I saw being used had a powder scoop to pour a mighty  black powder charge  into the muzzle, and took about 10 minutes to reload. 
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on September 10, 2015, 05:55:57 am
LOL - there's an excellent display of, and about, punt guns in the Royal Armouries at Leeds:

That fascinated me when me and a mate visited years ago
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on September 10, 2015, 06:03:47 am
Sold out very quickly, there's hardly any left on line unless you want to buy from the Ukraine.  I've got a back order on at Hannants, we'll see when the next batch comes in.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Captain Canada on September 10, 2015, 03:17:17 pm
Wow that was quick ! Wonder if Mr. Airfix is watching ?

The punt guns are pretty neat as well. I could see doing a model of one of those !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 10, 2015, 03:19:44 pm
We're going to have a glut of Beverleys at shows next year, maybe even at Telford.

I must get to work on my long planned Court Line version.  ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: king of men on September 10, 2015, 10:27:10 pm
I wouldn't mind the Beverley being scaled up to 1/72nd scale
[/quote]

O pleeze pleeze. Probably not likely, but I can dream of this and a 1:72 plastic C-124 on my shelves...
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Green Dragon on August 23, 2016, 11:02:34 pm
Several new things of interest to us on Whatifmodellers coming from Mikro Mir. Some may know about them already but I haven't seen them posted here.

1/72nd Miles Aerovan (in CAD developement)

1/144th AW Argosy in military and civil versions (in CAD developement)

1/144th HP Hastings (wing sprue has been test shot)

Personally I want all of them!

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2016, 01:50:34 am

1/72nd Miles Aerovan (in CAD developement)


DEEP JOY! :thumbsup:

A lovely little aeroplane, and extremely Whiffable too. How about a Jetovan?  ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Rheged on August 24, 2016, 02:07:58 am
The Aerovan is indeed a lovely little aeroplane.  I'd rather like to see  Miles  M68   "Boxcar"  too.  Just think what any of us could do with that detachable container!!  Details below for those unfamiliar with the beast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.68 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.68)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 24, 2016, 02:45:06 am
The Aerovan is indeed a lovely little aeroplane.  I'd rather like to see  Miles  M68   "Boxcar"  too.  Just think what any of us could do with that detachable container!!  Details below for those unfamiliar with the beast.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.68 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_M.68)

See this bit above :-  ;D


A lovely little aeroplane, and extremely Whiffable too.

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: KiwiZac on August 24, 2016, 02:40:09 pm
A friend of mine scratched, mastered and released an Aerovan in 1/72 last year. Bad news for him, but good on him for making the sacrifice!!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Martin H on August 24, 2016, 03:42:52 pm
A friend of mine scratched, mastered and released an Aerovan in 1/72 last year. Bad news for him, but good on him for making the sacrifice!!
Ive seen that kit! S & M models over here had a small batch, at a not so small price earlier in the year. The castings looked quite good from what I saw.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: KiwiZac on August 24, 2016, 07:29:48 pm
Bruce does little resiny bits every now and again, I think this was his first full kit! He "liked" my post about this kit on Facebook, so I don't think he's too sore!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Green Dragon on August 24, 2016, 10:10:38 pm
Several new things of interest to us on Whatifmodellers coming from Mikro Mir. Some may know about them already but I haven't seen them posted here.

1/72nd Miles Aerovan (in CAD developement)

1/144th AW Argosy in military and civil versions (in CAD developement)

1/144th HP Hastings (wing sprue has been test shot)

Personally I want all of them!

Paul Harrison
edited this last night but the edit doesn't seem to have gone through, anyhoo here's what I said. My bad, it's the Argosy that is being test shot and not the Hastings.

The second sprue pic has been posted with internal floor, bulkheads and tailplane parts. link to Mikro-Mir's BM thread. http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234994391-1144-scale-aw-argosy/page-2

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: pirx on December 31, 2016, 06:30:28 am

1/72 Khai-3 (Хаи-3)    :wub: :wub: :wub:

Source:   http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235014382-khai-3-%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%B8-3-172/


(http://i.piccy.info/i9/b2b05b6edecdb2bfd3e0e79de1a7190d/1483041735/16981/1104278/khay_31_500.jpg)


(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TS-xzb12aSg/TEIr5ZHog1I/AAAAAAAAEGQ/nELIzNlneLg/s1600/%23+hai3-3.jpg)

http://dieselpunks.blogspot.de/2010/07/little-wing-soviet-style.html
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 31, 2016, 08:53:02 am
Needs longer wings..........  ;D

But BAGS of Whiff potential.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on December 31, 2016, 08:26:05 pm
Tophe is going to love that.  As do I.

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: ericr on January 01, 2017, 02:18:47 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Librarian on June 15, 2017, 06:21:55 am
Probably a reissue but this seems to hold some interest. Looks like Miles had their own spares box to delve into:

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-011
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 15, 2017, 06:39:43 am
Interest definitely, but at that price?  :o
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on June 15, 2017, 07:26:48 am
With my discount I can get that kit for $16.90, from modelsUa.com. https://modelsua.com/home.php?keep_https=yes scroll down and you will find it among some other good and reasonably priced stuff too.
Chris.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 15, 2017, 07:28:44 am
The phrase 'Reasonably priced' and 'Hannants' rarely occur in the same sentence.........
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Librarian on June 15, 2017, 07:54:07 am
The phrase 'Reasonably priced' and 'Hannants' rarely occur in the same sentence.........

...and sadly, these days, speedy delivery.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on June 15, 2017, 11:56:14 am
I must admit when the Hannants hot news email comes through I put my sarcasm tinted spectacles on and say REALLY?? a lot at their stratospheric pricing, still it keeps Google in business as I look elsewhere to find it cheaper.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on November 18, 2017, 02:30:55 am
This may well be a re-issue, someones done a kit previously, but it's an interesting aircraft and I like the idea of transfers for the "colour" scheme.

https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-009 (https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-009)

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Green Dragon on November 19, 2017, 08:00:59 pm
That Kalinin K-12 is an all new tooling, he's planning to do the K-7 too! Also in the CAD stage is a 1/48th Fokker G.1 Reaper and the little 1/72nd Fairey gyrocoptrer thingy is one of Micro Mir's too.

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on November 20, 2017, 06:32:02 am
Cheers Paul  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: rickshaw on February 01, 2018, 04:19:13 am
1/72 - E.E. Canberra T.11/ B.2 /Tp.52 etc. by MikroMir (https://www.facebook.com/mikro.mir.dnepr/posts/1768192206591841)

(https://s13.postimg.org/5tycf5hrb/27503947_1768191863258542_6034124068176803811_o.jpg)

(https://s13.postimg.org/immgejix3/27173242_1768191923258536_3672715669469404704_o.jpg)

(https://s13.postimg.org/xikzm5p6v/27356033_1768191919925203_1742503693183278623_o.jpg)

(https://s13.postimg.org/4g6pje0d3/27164440_1768191856591876_4793891841638112631_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 01, 2018, 07:15:31 am
That's a good choice, all they have to do is beat the price of the S&M Canberra now.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Martin H on February 01, 2018, 07:27:04 am
Who do you think makes the S&M canberra?

Mikro-mir. So the price wont be much  different.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 01, 2018, 07:32:12 am

Who do you think makes the S&M canberra?

Mikro-mir. So the price wont be much  different.


I don't know these things, I just build 'em.  ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on February 01, 2018, 10:01:40 am

Who do you think makes the S&M canberra?

Mikro-mir. So the price wont be much  different.


I don't know these things, I just build 'em.  ;)

I didn't know S&M did a Canberra. Might be needing a T.11. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 01, 2018, 12:36:51 pm

Who do you think makes the S&M canberra?

Mikro-mir. So the price wont be much  different.


I don't know these things, I just build 'em.  ;)

I didn't know S&M did a Canberra. Might be needing a T.11. :thumbsup:


IIRC it's a B2 out of the box. They had it at Telford last year.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on February 01, 2018, 03:20:47 pm
I've done a bit of Google-fu and found they do a T.4 too.  Looks a bit tasty in the reviews. Think I need to treat myself. Thanks for the heads up guys!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: The Wooksta! on February 01, 2018, 03:57:03 pm

Who do you think makes the S&M canberra?

Mikro-mir. So the price wont be much  different.


I don't know these things, I just build 'em.  ;)

I didn't know S&M did a Canberra. Might be needing a T.11. :thumbsup:


IIRC it's a B2 out of the box. They had it at Telford last year.

No, they didn't have any for sale, just the test shots to peruse - I had 170 notes for Mel Bromley on the Friday if he'd had the Hastings and the Cranberry but he ruefully informed me that both were delayed and said notes remained snug in my wallet.  He had the Cranberries at Bolton - I got one of the last three B2s he had there - but still no Hastings.  Which leaves my wallet somewhat happier and fuller.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: rickshaw on March 09, 2018, 08:48:44 pm
(https://s18.postimg.org/9pqs51owp/28795063_1809859175758477_8463686677699029373_n.jpg)

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 10, 2018, 03:08:46 am
Hm, I have an injection nose cone for one of those, dating back decades, done by Rayhex, remember them?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on June 04, 2019, 09:59:12 pm
1/144th scale Victor B.1 in at Hannants: https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM144-027

(https://d26qn1y84zs32g.cloudfront.net/pics/MM144-027.jpg?t=1553107746)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 05, 2019, 01:40:57 am
Oh, that's nice! Lots of scale-o-rama potential...  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Hobbes on June 05, 2019, 04:15:35 am
Related to the Great Wall Victor B.2 (https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/gwh/kit_gwh_1004.shtml)?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 05, 2019, 01:39:26 pm

Related to the Great Wall Victor B.2 (https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/gwh/kit_gwh_1004.shtml)?


There's a lot of differences between a B1 and a B2 though.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Madoc on October 17, 2019, 10:17:08 pm
Those insane lads at MikroMir have just announced they'll be to rendering a "Silbervogel" (Silverbird) Antipodal-Bomber in 1/72 come early next year!

"Silbervogel" Antipodal-Bomber (https://tinyurl.com/y5h4jjbq)?

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: KiwiZac on October 22, 2019, 03:09:15 am
And the Horten Ho.IX V-1 glider, which looks gorgeous although I'm hoping they'll do the V-2 too.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on October 25, 2019, 04:08:09 am
There's a build of the Micro-Mir Beverley in the latest AMW, and apparently, there's a typo on the decal sheet thus:

ROYAL AIR FORCE MIDLE EAST

(should be two 'D's in 'middle' for non-native-English speakers)


Shelf-Oddity do a replacement set:  https://shelfoddity.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_65&product_id=171

Also available via Coastal Craft.

If you've got a Beverley in the stash and havn't noticed the error yet, you might want to snag one of these decal sets since they may not be around forever.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: The Wooksta! on April 01, 2020, 05:03:52 pm
The Kalinin K-7 is apparently out, but prices are high.  I suspect it's the launch of their "Grounds for Divorce" range...
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on April 02, 2020, 02:49:39 am
The Kalinin K-7 is apparently out, but prices are high.  I suspect it's the launch of their "Grounds for Divorce" range...

 ;D ;D ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 02, 2020, 03:25:47 am

Shelf-Oddity do a replacement set:  https://shelfoddity.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=25_65&product_id=171


Shelf Oddity do a MIND blowing PE set for the Bev, complete with loading ramps at the rear and all sorts of other good stuff.

And remember it's 1/144!  :o
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on September 05, 2020, 06:05:40 am
The Kalinin K-7 is apparently out, but prices are high.  I suspect it's the launch of their "Grounds for Divorce" range...

£299.99 at the Big H https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-015?result-token=9EQld (https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-015?result-token=9EQld)



Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on September 05, 2020, 06:32:11 am
The Kalinin K-7 is apparently out, but prices are high.  I suspect it's the launch of their "Grounds for Divorce" range...

£299.99 at the Big H https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-015?result-token=9EQld (https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-015?result-token=9EQld)





Oh, the possibilities...
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on September 05, 2020, 06:37:10 am

£299.99 at the Big H https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-015?result-token=9EQld (https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/MM72-015?result-token=9EQld)


Oh, the possibilities...
[/quote]

Absolutely
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 05, 2020, 06:45:26 am
Needs longer wings really..............  ;D

And they can't REALLY have that in a box that proclaims 'MIKRO-Mir' surely? Micro it certainly isn't!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: The Wooksta! on September 05, 2020, 06:58:59 am
At that price, the advice regarding sex, travel and their mothers is firmly, loudly and insistently offered.

The price is to justify the 3 ft fibreglass wing.  No, sorry, and the Mikro Mir guys can insert it somewhere very painful.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Martin H on September 05, 2020, 09:06:33 am
I had the K7 on back order untill I found out how much the asking price was going to be.  :unsure:

I dunno about grounds for divorce, certainly grounds for a stiff talking to from the bank manager..................
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on November 02, 2020, 03:44:14 am
Just seen a picture of the  box for a future release  . Armstrong whitworth A.W .52. I  think I will have to have one of these. Depending on how  big it is, I  am wondering if a bomb bay  could  be put into  it. Hopefully we won't have to  wait too long for it to come out.  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2020, 03:59:34 am
Oh wow! That'll be a MUST!  :thumbsup:

And SO much Whiffing potential too! How about one with a Blue Steel hung underneath?

Of course I saw the real thing fly at Farnborough, it was like being part of a sci-fi movie!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: kitbasher on November 02, 2020, 04:14:56 am
AW52 as a long-range photo recce aircraft?  Just needs some camera ports.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on November 02, 2020, 04:17:34 am
Marvellous  ideas, looking like  more than one will be bought  then  ;D
Are the physically  a big aircraft  Kit, I  am just  trying envisage a  bomb bay on one or would it have them hung  underneath
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2020, 04:24:59 am
It'll be 15" span in 1/72, the real thing was 90 ft span.

And you could scale-o-rama one into a 1/144 version of the planned bomber too!  :o
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on November 02, 2020, 04:56:50 am
Hmm?
I think I am  best waiting for the kit to come out and  weigh it up  for myself really, there is  a lot of surface area on the fuselage  so maybe a  small  bomb bay  or recesses to accommodate one or two freefall nuclear  weapons.  I  have the freightdog  Buccaneer  ted red beard conversion set  that might fit the bill.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on November 02, 2020, 06:17:53 am
I built a resin AW 52 a few years ago (indeed it won a Wiffie  ;)) and it's an attractive looking aircraft. Not much to it though, like most flying wings, unless you want to go down the "parts for parts sake" path so it will be  interesting to see what Micro-Mir do with it and what they charge for it.

The main problem with the resin one was it's weight, lot of strain on the undercarriage so I might be tempted by a second one if the price is right.

"Edit"

Having seen the 3D "renders" it appears that Micro-Mir are going to offer full engine detail ? Push both the parts count and price up I would have thought.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Nick on November 02, 2020, 06:21:23 am
Reading from Wikipedia, the AW52 was only a half scale version. The planned airliner / bomber version was to be twice the size. Sounds like it's ideal for a Scale-o-rama build with a smaller canopy and roundels.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on November 02, 2020, 06:35:32 am
Reading from Wikipedia, the AW52 was only a half scale version. The planned airliner / bomber version was to be twice the size. Sounds like it's ideal for a Scale-o-rama build with a smaller canopy and roundels.
Or keep it 1/72nd scale  and put some fireflash missiles on it, or  some  rockets  under the wings.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2020, 09:01:59 am

Reading from Wikipedia, the AW52 was only a half scale version. The planned airliner / bomber version was to be twice the size. Sounds like it's ideal for a Scale-o-rama build with a smaller canopy and roundels.


Exactly, which is why I suggested it earlier.

An airliner version would be good, the projected AW55, but where the devil would you put the windows? Maybe all along the leading edge?

That's what concerns me about the current rash of 'All Wing' airliner projects, I bet there'd be a lot of initial resistance from the pax, even though most of them don't, and can't, look out of the windows in the current aircraft.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on November 07, 2020, 02:21:26 pm
Here's the full scale bomber, the AW.56:
http://duhraviationart.com/index.php/portfolio/armstrong-whitworth-aw-56/

The artwork is from the cover of the second volume of BSP.2.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on November 07, 2020, 03:43:11 pm
I like the look of that  AW.56 , it would make a  perfect addition to my  alternative RAF  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 07, 2020, 04:27:26 pm
1/350 Kawanishi KX-03.
464mm wingspan.

(https://aeroscale.kitmaker.net/photos/news/37009/008.jpg)

(https://scontent.fxds1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/122864862_2036304986504557_1054336937859522272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=_UzM-8x_vgUAX_kjMKK&_nc_ht=scontent.fxds1-1.fna&oh=102a55cb6e08ede794d5f41d924b5bcc&oe=5FBF89C9)

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/kawanishi-kx-03-giant-500-ton-flying-boat.17775/#post-131910

https://plastic-models-store.com/Mikro-Mir-350-040---1-350---Kawanishi-KX-03-Japan-flying-boat-project-466mm-13581.html

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on November 07, 2020, 05:10:17 pm
I have seen a couple of pictures of this on Facebook, but they  don't show as much  detail  and a comparison as to how big the  thing  would have been.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Weaver on November 07, 2020, 07:52:03 pm

An airliner version would be good, the projected AW55, but where the devil would you put the windows? Maybe all along the leading edge?

That's what concerns me about the current rash of 'All Wing' airliner projects, I bet there'd be a lot of initial resistance from the pax, even though most of them don't, and can't, look out of the windows in the current aircraft.

That's been cited as one of the stumbling blocks in the real projects (both Boeing and Airbus have looked at it) along with emergency evacuation: not much wall space for doors as well as windows. Floor hatches would be blocked if the unercarriage collapsed, and roof hatches present a more convoluted route to safety than conventional side-doors.

My idea for the windows is to make the areas next to them communal rather than have windows 'belong' to a particular seat. Cabin staff could keep an eye out to make sure nobody hogs them for too long.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on November 08, 2020, 03:22:44 am

An airliner version would be good, the projected AW55, but where the devil would you put the windows? Maybe all along the leading edge?

That's what concerns me about the current rash of 'All Wing' airliner projects, I bet there'd be a lot of initial resistance from the pax, even though most of them don't, and can't, look out of the windows in the current aircraft.

That's been cited as one of the stumbling blocks in the real projects (both Boeing and Airbus have looked at it) along with emergency evacuation: not much wall space for doors as well as windows. Floor hatches would be blocked if the unercarriage collapsed, and roof hatches present a more convoluted route to safety than conventional side-doors.

My idea for the windows is to make the areas next to them communal rather than have windows 'belong' to a particular seat. Cabin staff could keep an eye out to make sure nobody hogs them for too long.

Bang seats.  One for every passenger.  Imagine the sight as 300 passengers eject in a wave synchronised from rear to front.  Glorious.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: scooter on November 08, 2020, 05:08:09 am

An airliner version would be good, the projected AW55, but where the devil would you put the windows? Maybe all along the leading edge?

That's what concerns me about the current rash of 'All Wing' airliner projects, I bet there'd be a lot of initial resistance from the pax, even though most of them don't, and can't, look out of the windows in the current aircraft.

That's been cited as one of the stumbling blocks in the real projects (both Boeing and Airbus have looked at it) along with emergency evacuation: not much wall space for doors as well as windows. Floor hatches would be blocked if the unercarriage collapsed, and roof hatches present a more convoluted route to safety than conventional side-doors.

My idea for the windows is to make the areas next to them communal rather than have windows 'belong' to a particular seat. Cabin staff could keep an eye out to make sure nobody hogs them for too long.

Bang seats.  One for every passenger.  Imagine the sight as 300 passengers eject in a wave synchronised from rear to front.  Glorious.

And the No Frills airlines, like Spirit and Ryan Air, would charge extra for parachutes.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2020, 06:18:16 am

My idea for the windows is to make the areas next to them communal rather than have windows 'belong' to a particular seat. Cabin staff could keep an eye out to make sure nobody hogs them for too long.


Amtrak do that for their Sightseer Lounge cars, the ones with the windows that go right over your head.

The Steward comes by and reminds you that you're only meant to use each seat for 30 mins or so. But for some reason Brits get a 'no limits' pass as every time I answered with an 'Oh sorry, I'll head on back to my seat' they always said 'Oh, that's OK for you Sir, stay as long as you like'.

RESULT!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2020, 06:20:40 am
As for the KX-03, shrinking it down to 1/350th smacks a bit of 'fit the box' all over again. :(

If it's going to be a model of a BIG aeroplane, make it a BIG kit!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Rheged on November 08, 2020, 06:43:23 am

An airliner version would be good, the projected AW55, but where the devil would you put the windows? Maybe all along the leading edge?

That's what concerns me about the current rash of 'All Wing' airliner projects, I bet there'd be a lot of initial resistance from the pax, even though most of them don't, and can't, look out of the windows in the current aircraft.

That's been cited as one of the stumbling blocks in the real projects (both Boeing and Airbus have looked at it) along with emergency evacuation: not much wall space for doors as well as windows. Floor hatches would be blocked if the unercarriage collapsed, and roof hatches present a more convoluted route to safety than conventional side-doors.

My idea for the windows is to make the areas next to them communal rather than have windows 'belong' to a particular seat. Cabin staff could keep an eye out to make sure nobody hogs them for too long.

Bang seats.  One for every passenger.  Imagine the sight as 300 passengers eject in a wave synchronised from rear to front.  Glorious.

Messers Martin and Baker would no doubt be happy to develop a ripple ejection system for this purpose..............a sort of Mexican Wave of seats hurtling into the air; no doubt with a better quality of parachute for those in First or Business Class.  The mechanics of it would be "interesting", as they'd have to shoot upwards in a fan-like way to prevent collisions between seats in mid air. 

Just imagine someone pressing the wrong button whilst waiting at the end of one of  Heathrow's runways............passengers landing everywhere from Hillingdon to Harringay, depending on wind speed.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 08, 2020, 02:36:44 pm
As for the KX-03, shrinking it down to 1/350th smacks a bit of 'fit the box' all over again. :(

If it's going to be a model of a BIG aeroplane, make it a BIG kit!

Winspan is 18", a 1/144 kit would have a wingspan of 1.25 m/49".  ;D

Doing it that size would require the A-Monster or HPH approach using GRP
for the fuselage and wings with injection moulding or resin for the smaller
parts all of which equals many $£€.

1/350th makes it perfgect to go with ship models.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2020, 03:14:03 pm
Yeah, 49" sounds about right. 98" sounds even better.... ;D ;D ;D

I've built flying models a LOT smaller than that........
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: elmayerle on November 08, 2020, 07:59:48 pm

Reading from Wikipedia, the AW52 was only a half scale version. The planned airliner / bomber version was to be twice the size. Sounds like it's ideal for a Scale-o-rama build with a smaller canopy and roundels.


Exactly, which is why I suggested it earlier.

An airliner version would be good, the projected AW55, but where the devil would you put the windows? Maybe all along the leading edge?

That's what concerns me about the current rash of 'All Wing' airliner projects, I bet there'd be a lot of initial resistance from the pax, even though most of them don't, and can't, look out of the windows in the current aircraft.
Shades of the proposed airliner version of the original Norhtrop wing.  That primarily had windows in the leading edge though ISTR a bubble canopy over the lounge in the "stinger".
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 08, 2020, 09:45:43 pm
One of the biggest issues with a BWB/flying wing design is pressurization, manufacturing and
derivative development, all of which are easily accomplished with a "tube" fuselage that is parallel
sided with a constant cross-section for most of its length which means repeatable components,
and easy pressurization. The BWB and flying wing concepts have none of those features which
greatly increases costs across the board.

The Flying V design, originally that of a young Dutch engineering student, that
Airbus is now investigating goes a long way towards addressing many of those
issues. The passenger compartments are constant section elliptical tubes that fit
within the constant section airfoil "wing".

Justus Benad's 2015 paper, as to be expected details have changed as it's been
further developed:
https://www.dglr.de/publikationen/2015/370094.pdf

The page for the TUDelft development team:
https://www.tudelft.nl/en/ae/flying-v/

The tech page:
https://www.tudelft.nl/en/ae/flying-v/technology/

(https://d1rkab7tlqy5f1.cloudfront.net/_processed_/8/1/csm_FlyingV_Isometric_3b0b0bd3fe.png)

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 08, 2020, 09:48:07 pm
Yeah, 49" sounds about right. 98" sounds even better.... ;D ;D ;D

I've built flying models a LOT smaller than that........

 ;D ;D ;D
You'd be willing to spend the £1,000 or so for a 1/72 kit?  ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 09, 2020, 03:51:23 am

 ;D ;D ;D
You'd be willing to spend the £1,000 or so for a 1/72 kit?  ;)


Well no, but I bet SOMEONE would. I can think of a few IPMS-UK members who'd fork out that sort of money just to say they had got one!  :o
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Martin H on November 09, 2020, 02:51:10 pm

 ;D ;D ;D
You'd be willing to spend the £1,000 or so for a 1/72 kit?  ;)


Well no, but I bet SOMEONE would. I can think of a few IPMS-UK members who'd fork out that sort of money just to say they had got one!  :o

Now, why do I get the feeling you were looking in my direction when you said that Spackman.  ;D ;) ;D

And no I wouldnt shell out that sort of cash for a model either.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 09, 2020, 02:58:36 pm

Now, why do I get the feeling you were looking in my direction when you said that Spackman.  ;D ;) ;D

And no I wouldnt shell out that sort of cash for a model either.


Actually I wasn't OGL, but now that you mention it........................  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 10, 2020, 02:04:52 pm

An airliner version would be good, the projected AW55, but where the devil would you put the windows? Maybe all along the leading edge?

AW55 was the Apollo.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/AW.55_Apollo_VX224_15_ETPS_FAR_10.09.54_edited-2.jpg)

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 10, 2020, 02:15:39 pm
But there was a previous 'AW55' design, which was an all wing aircraft. They re-used the AW55 number for the Apollo after the wing designs all got cancelled.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 10, 2020, 08:02:04 pm
But there was a previous 'AW55' design, which was an all wing aircraft. They re-used the AW55 number for the Apollo after the wing designs all got cancelled.

Was that in place of an all-wing airliner develoopment of the AW50 which was the predecessor
of the AW52?

None of the post-war 'speculative' flying projects that appeared in small photos or magazine
adverts received type numbers. Personally I've not seen any documentation that A.W. 55 was
ever officially assigned to anything other than the Apollo.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 11, 2020, 04:42:00 am
It was mentioned in a Flying Review Magazine article a long time ago. They specially mentioned that it was odd that AW re-used the type number.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on November 23, 2020, 12:52:29 pm
Micro mir have released  3 d pictures of an L 13 zeppelin in 1/144th scale.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: 63cpe on November 23, 2020, 01:11:28 pm
Ow, yeaah. I like the AW Apollo. Also like the Aviation Traders Accountant as other obscure (transport) planes.

David aka 63cpe
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 27, 2020, 02:20:50 am
For the fans of some really exotic concepts: Micro-Mir will release in Jan. '21 an 1:72 Piaggio Pegna P.C.7 - a (not successful) mix of an aircraft and a hydrofoil boat:

(https://www.hlj.com/media/catalog/product/cache/acedba8d3f43cedb2fbb4f1aa3b47451/m/k/mkramp72-015_0.jpg)

(https://www.hlj.com/media/catalog/product/cache/acedba8d3f43cedb2fbb4f1aa3b47451/m/k/mkramp72-015_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 27, 2020, 02:39:18 am
Oh YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

My kind of aeroplane! I tried to build one from a Macchi MC72 but failed. Now I can do it properly.

The only vehicle that might have been capable of breaking the World Air Speed Record and the World Water Speed Record AT THE SAME TIME!  ;D

[Later] For the first time in my life I put a kit on backorder at the Big H...  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on November 27, 2020, 02:50:37 am
So many possibilities.  Including a submersible version...

Micro mir have released  3 d pictures of an L 13 zeppelin in 1/144th scale.

I make that over a metre long.  Cool.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: ericr on November 27, 2020, 03:40:14 am

what a beauty !

long love seaplanes !

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on November 27, 2020, 06:12:04 am

The only vehicle that might have been capable of breaking the World Air Speed Record and the World Water Speed Record AT THE SAME TIME!  ;D

[Later] For the first time in my life I put a kit on backorder at the Big H...  ;D

And given the wing cooling system you could probably cook breakfast at the same time  ;)

Got it on pre-order as it's a stunner
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Rheged on November 27, 2020, 06:33:43 am
Having read a little bit about the Piaggio Pegna P.C.7, do you want to go for a first in the annals of whiffery and produce a model that exudes the smell of burnt-out clutch?  I understand that the transition from hydro to aero propeller was an interesting (and potentially bowel-loosening)  experience  for the pilot.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on December 07, 2020, 03:36:37 pm
Just  seen some pictures of  a 1/72nd scale  Fokker G1 , don't know anything else about it, but I am sure someone else will know a bit more.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 08, 2020, 02:52:00 am
Imagine if Tophe had got hold of a Beaufighter? That's a Fokker G1.  ;D

Both Rareplanes and MPM did kits of the G1 a while back, I even had the Rareplanes one and it was as good as you'd imagine, but at the time it wasn't my thing, so one of my fellow clubmates built it. Stock of course, not Whiffed.............
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on December 08, 2020, 07:13:05 am
I've got the MPM one in the stash and to show its age it's in a black and white box  ;D It will get built one day  ;)

I think Micro-Mir plan to do a boxing of the planned recce version as well as the heavy fighter ?

Dutch pre-WWII types are a very interesting field of interest  :thumbsup: Lots of different, unusual types built in relatively small numbers.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 08, 2020, 08:07:08 am
I LOVE the DXIII, the smaller twin boom fighter prototype, with a push you-pull me engine installation.  :wub:

I've built a couple of them in my time, and someone on here (OGL?) did a twin Merlin powered one.

That's GOT to have been a real goer!  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on December 08, 2020, 09:42:23 am
If they scaled up their Beverley to 1/72, and showed mach 2 how to do an Argosy in the same scale, I  would have to move to a bigger house and have one of each :wacko:
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 08, 2020, 11:04:12 am
Heavens yes, I'd have at least two Bevs.  :wub:

If I could raise the World Bank loan, that is.....
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on December 10, 2020, 06:03:08 am
Apparently the  A.W 52 has been  released, and the decals on it are 3D. I  wonder when  we will get them over here.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 10, 2020, 06:33:28 am
3D decals? How does that work then?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on December 10, 2020, 07:05:57 am
3D decals? How does that work then?
Not a clue, unless its for the dashboard/ control panels.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: kitbasher on December 10, 2020, 07:10:30 am
3D decals? How does that work then?

Judging by the pics I’ve seen they’re 2D with 3D effect shadowing.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on December 10, 2020, 07:34:35 am
I believe they're 3D printed onto decal paper, so you get a raised effect similar to photoetch.  There's a few companies that do them as aftermarket, such as Kits World.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Freightdog862 on December 10, 2020, 09:17:37 am
I believe they're 3D printed onto decal paper, so you get a raised effect similar to photoetch.  There's a few companies that do them as aftermarket, such as Kits World.

They are made by Witchcraft I tell you! Or 3D printing, its the same to me. I think they are the first mainstream kt to include them, quite forward thinking of them.

Colin
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 10, 2020, 10:16:57 am
But what advantage do 3D decals have over normal ones?  :-\

AFAIK RAF roundels, for instance, have always been painted flat on the wings.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on December 10, 2020, 12:00:16 pm
But what advantage do 3D decals have over normal ones?  :-\

AFAIK RAF roundels, for instance, have always been painted flat on the wings.

I think the roundels and any markings would be conventional decals?  The 3D ones are for details such as instrument panels, seat belts etc.  Anything that's flat but not quite.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on December 10, 2020, 12:09:04 pm
They are made by Witchcraft I tell you! Or 3D printing, its the same to me. I think they are the first mainstream kt to include them, quite forward thinking of them.

Colin

I'm with you Colin.  I've been looking at some 3D printed figures on Etsy.  I saw some at Telford a few years ago and they were good, now they look great.  Another few years and they'll be rivalling injection moulding I'm guessing.  And the price is very good through Etsy.

I'd get yourself a nightclass at Hogwarts and learn the mystic arts, it's the future!  ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 10, 2020, 12:15:58 pm
Ah, right. That makes some sense I guess.

It occurs to me that I've actually used some stuff like that. The louvres on the bonnet of the 1/24 RW Caterham Seven that I built for my brother last year were resin sprayed onto a decal film. They came from a US company called Archer IIRC and they worked amazingly well.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/3962/IRqXaC.jpg)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on December 10, 2020, 12:26:57 pm
Quinta Studios 3d printed vinyl 'decals', F-105G review:
https://www.themodellingnews.com/2020/11/construction-review-qunita-studio.html

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lPmr_UlPZMs/X7Rsz0aaPcI/AAAAAAADGBM/ee0HjU7yVV4tq3wrkypla-0BO9VS1cinACLcBGAsYHQ/s1280/Quinta%2BStudios%2Binterior%2B3D-Decals%2B-%2BDetail%2BSets%2B%252812%2529.jpg)

Site:
https://quinta-studio.com/en/category/5/
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: kitbasher on December 10, 2020, 03:41:41 pm
I stand corrected hadn’t seen an oblique view of a set before and the relief effect is clearly discernible.
What scale is the F-105 set, please?
While they are very clever and could be the death knell for at least some etched detailing sets, I must say the relief effect will diminish at smaller scales to the point of why bother.
1/32 and 1/24 models (thinking from an aircraft perspective), possibly 1/48 but Not yet convinced they’d be worth using on a 1/72 model.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: frank2056 on December 10, 2020, 04:47:39 pm
Quote from: Mossie

I'm with you Colin.  I've been looking at some 3D printed figures on Etsy.  I saw some at Telford a few years ago and they were good, now they look great.  Another few years and they'll be rivalling injection moulding I'm guessing.  And the price is very good through Etsy.

There are several companies producing 1/700 and 1/350 3D printed figures and they're great; you can even get them on Shapeways. Larger scale figures are even easier to produce, with great results. ReedOak  (http://reedoak.com/)in France 3D scans real people and 3D prints them in the common scales, from 1/144 to 1/35
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Old Wombat on December 10, 2020, 07:15:09 pm
What scale is the F-105 set, please?

Says it in the top right corner of the photo/sheet:

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lPmr_UlPZMs/X7Rsz0aaPcI/AAAAAAADGBM/ee0HjU7yVV4tq3wrkypla-0BO9VS1cinACLcBGAsYHQ/s1280/Quinta%2BStudios%2Binterior%2B3D-Decals%2B-%2BDetail%2BSets%2B%252812%2529.jpg)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: kitbasher on December 11, 2020, 01:48:35 am
D’oh!

Saw pic on my phone and didn’t see all of the image.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on December 11, 2020, 03:01:37 am
But what advantage do 3D decals have over normal ones?...

Well, its one more D isn't it?  It's not 2D.  You see most blokes, you know, will be decaling at two...Where can you go from there? Where?
These go to three.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 11, 2020, 04:21:21 am
I'll wait till 4D decals come out I reckon. Why only go half way......?  ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on December 11, 2020, 04:48:22 am
It does make me wonder why they go to so much effort to  make these decals realistic, only to  hide them underneath a canopy  never to be seen again, as the whole point of having such amazing items  is to be able to see them. I'm probably missing something I  know.  :-X
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on December 11, 2020, 06:11:24 am
Looking at Hannant's new arrivals the other day and they had some 3D printed 1/72 WWII seatbelts. Weren't a bad price (£5.99 off the top of my head) and looked quite nice. Probably easier to use than etched ? Anyway next time I put an order in for something I might give a set a try.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: scooter on December 11, 2020, 07:44:05 am
It does make me wonder why they go to so much effort to  make these decals realistic, only to  hide them underneath a canopy  never to be seen again, as the whole point of having such amazing items  is to be able to see them. I'm probably missing something I  know.  :-X
Chris

Depending on the model, bigger scale kits allow more of the cockpit to be seen.  Which is why I usually blank out the cockpit canopies on 1/72 and smaller scales.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on December 11, 2020, 04:45:14 pm
It does make me wonder why they go to so much effort to  make these decals realistic, only to  hide them underneath a canopy  never to be seen again, as the whole point of having such amazing items  is to be able to see them. I'm probably missing something I  know.  :-X
Chris

The majority of the folks who build with this kind of stuff pose the canopies open,
so you can see the bits.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on December 11, 2020, 05:05:02 pm
I'll wait till 4D decals come out I reckon. Why only go half way......?  ;)

I'd say that the stencil decals for modern military aircraft are 4D as it takes so bloody long to apply them all.
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on December 12, 2020, 02:26:36 am
I'll wait till 4D decals come out I reckon. Why only go half way......?  ;)

I'd say that the stencil decals for modern military aircraft are 4D as it takes so bloody long to apply them all.
 ;D ;D

I'm in agreement with you there Jon.  Stenciling a Phantom certainly affects the perceived passage of time...
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Scotaidh on December 12, 2020, 02:41:15 am
I'll wait till 4D decals come out I reckon. Why only go half way......?  ;)

I'd say that the stencil decals for modern military aircraft are 4D as it takes so bloody long to apply them all.
 ;D ;D

I'm in agreement with you there Jon.  Stenciling a Phantom certainly affects the perceived passage of time...

I once tried to apply all the stencil decals on a 1/32 Tomcat ... I'm amazed the aircraft got off the ground with the weight of all that paint! 
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 12, 2020, 03:25:54 am

I once tried to apply all the stencil decals on a 1/32 Tomcat ... I'm amazed the aircraft got off the ground with the weight of all that paint!


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on December 12, 2020, 03:39:36 am
I've had some kits with transfers so thick they might as well have been 3D.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on December 12, 2020, 06:08:31 am

I once tried to apply all the stencil decals on a 1/32 Tomcat ... I'm amazed the aircraft got off the ground with the weight of all that paint!


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ;D  ;D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on December 12, 2020, 07:08:36 am
If they do it for girly noser art, would it be 36D???

Hat, coat, oo-er missus....
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on December 13, 2020, 05:52:23 am
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Dingg on January 15, 2021, 12:39:04 pm
Fokker G1 1/72 :wacko: already available for purchase
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 16, 2021, 02:29:38 am
Nice and long-awaited, but an expensive affair...  :-\
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on January 16, 2021, 05:52:14 am
Nice and long-awaited,

My thoughts exactly. Hannants' aren't quoting a price yet.

I've got an old MPM one in the stash, but my RNEIAF could do with a new one
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 19, 2021, 05:42:18 am
SRP around EUR 25 - 30,-, AFAIK. It's already on pre-order in some online shops.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Nick on January 19, 2021, 10:11:05 am
Nice and long-awaited,

My thoughts exactly. Hannants' aren't quoting a price yet.

I've got an old MPM one in the stash, but my RNEIAF could do with a new one

The Fokker G1.A is showing up at £26.24 on Hannants. I bet it sells out fast.

I'm tempted by their Vickers Valiant in 1/144. What are they like to build?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on January 19, 2021, 10:21:13 am
I am  waiting for the  Armstrong whitworth A.W 52 to be released, A. Because it is different and would  fit in with  my build theme, and B. Because  its a big aircraft that will fit in the small space  on the shelf  I have spare  ;D
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Hobbes on January 19, 2021, 11:17:25 am

The Fokker G1.A is showing up at £26.24 on Hannants. I bet it sells out fast.

I'm tempted by their Vickers Valiant in 1/144. What are they like to build?

I'm building a Mikro-Mir Victor at the moment (at least, parts of one). That's a nice kit: intricate detail, good mouldings, fits well. I've got a Valiant in the stash: this has slightly softer detail than the Victor.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on January 30, 2021, 04:36:01 pm
Hannants have  the AW.52 in stock, just short of  £46. It's a  bit steep  for me so hopefully I can  find a better deal somewhere else, as I do like the look of it.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 31, 2021, 05:16:05 am

Hannants have  the AW.52 in stock, just short of  £46. It's a  bit steep  for me so hopefully I can  find a better deal somewhere else, as I do like the look of it.
Chris


Either they've already sold out, or they haven't actually got them there yet as it's listed as a zero stock level item.

I've backordered one anyway, the hell with the price.   ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on January 31, 2021, 06:24:19 am

Hannants have  the AW.52 in stock, just short of  £46. It's a  bit steep  for me so hopefully I can  find a better deal somewhere else, as I do like the look of it.
Chris


Either they've already sold out, or they haven't actually got them there yet as it's listed as a zero stock level item.

I've backordered one anyway, the hell with the price.   ;D
I may end up doing  the same  Kit, it didn't  show stock levels  etc in the news letter  just the price. Lets hope it goes together  better than your  last Micro mir kit...Kit.  ;D
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 31, 2021, 06:33:32 am

 Lets hope it goes together  better than your  last Micro mir kit...Kit.  ;D


I'm 110% with you there Chris!   :o
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on January 31, 2021, 08:56:10 am

 Lets hope it goes together  better than your  last Micro mir kit...Kit.  ;D


I'm 110% with you there Chris!   :o
There are some on Ebay already for £56.39p. They are having a laugh
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: 63cpe on January 31, 2021, 09:46:31 am
In my local hobby store there are 4 in stock and are being sold for € 39,95 or 35,38 pounds...

I guess the import fees are to blame for the difference  :banghead:

David aka 63cpe
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on January 31, 2021, 11:40:26 am
In my local hobby store there are 4 in stock and are being sold for € 39,95 or 35,38 pounds...

I guess the import fees are to blame for the difference  :banghead:

David aka 63cpe
that is a heck of a difference, does your  LMS post to the UK? The postage shouldn't be too steep from there.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 31, 2021, 11:57:56 am
But now you have to take into account the added VAT and the duty AND the blasted 'handling charge' if importing from Europe!  :banghead:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on January 31, 2021, 12:34:30 pm
But now you have to take into account the added VAT and the duty AND the blasted 'handling charge' if importing from Europe!  :banghead:
Hmm, yeah  there is that...bugger.  :banghead:
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: rickshaw on February 01, 2021, 02:12:05 am
Well, in pain of being too political you can all blame BREXIT for that...   :banghead:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 01, 2021, 05:27:38 am

Well, in pain of being too political you can all blame BREXIT for that...   :banghead:


Sheer bloody-mindedness on both parts more likely. :(
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on February 05, 2021, 06:29:30 am
Probably a darn site lighter than the A&V Resin kit I built Kit  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 05, 2021, 07:45:37 am
Hmmm.....
I really want one of these, and it could be  the last kit I buy for quite some time  too , it looks nice  on the sprue, but most do, I  think I will have one but not just  yet as I am  sorting out  everything I need for a new arrival of the furry  kind. :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 05, 2021, 08:46:07 am
Chris (NARSES2) could you please delete my posts #220 and #222 in this thread as I've copied them to a proper build thread elsewhere.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: The Wooksta! on February 05, 2021, 10:30:44 am
Way too pricey for me.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on February 06, 2021, 05:51:40 am
Hmmm.....
I really want one of these, and it could be  the last kit I buy for quite some time  too , it looks nice  on the sprue, but most do, I  think I will have one but not just  yet as I am  sorting out  everything I need for a new arrival of the furry  kind. :thumbsup:
Chris

Hannants appear to have sold out anyway mate  ;)

So moggie or doggie ?  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on February 06, 2021, 05:53:27 am
Chris (NARSES2) could you please delete my posts #220 and #222 in this thread as I've copied them to a proper build thread elsewhere.

Done
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 06, 2021, 06:56:10 am
Magic, thanks Chris.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 06, 2021, 06:58:21 am
Hmmm.....
I really want one of these, and it could be  the last kit I buy for quite some time  too , it looks nice  on the sprue, but most do, I  think I will have one but not just  yet as I am  sorting out  everything I need for a new arrival of the furry  kind. :thumbsup:
Chris

Hannants appear to have sold out anyway mate  ;)

So moggie or doggie ?  ;D
Another rescue dog Chris, I wasn't ready for adopting another yet as it was still quite raw after losing Thor, 12 months on. But, I saw his picture on a rescue site and said to myself, I have to have him. ;D
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on February 07, 2021, 05:57:54 am
Well done mate  :thumbsup:

As and when I get another dog, it won't be until after I move up north, it will be a rescue one.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 07, 2021, 06:00:43 am
Well done mate  :thumbsup:

As and when I get another dog, it won't be until after I move up north, it will be a rescue one.
I was gourmet to wait until  I had moved too hopefully  further up north for me too, but he snagged me  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Old Wombat on February 07, 2021, 06:35:31 am
Well done mate  :thumbsup:

As and when I get another dog, it won't be until after I move up north, it will be a rescue one.
I was gourmet to wait until  I had moved too hopefully  further up north for me too, but he snagged me  ;D

The truth comes out! The poor little bugger's dinner! :o


(Gotta love auto-correct/text. :banghead:)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on February 07, 2021, 07:08:06 am
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(Gotta love auto-correct/text. :banghead:)

Haven't you  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: The Wooksta! on February 07, 2021, 08:27:34 am
I despise it with a passion you can barely even dream of.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 07, 2021, 09:23:14 am
Well done mate  :thumbsup:

As and when I get another dog, it won't be until after I move up north, it will be a rescue one.
I was gourmet to wait until  I had moved too hopefully  further up north for me too, but he snagged me  ;D
W

The truth comes out! The poor little bugger's dinner! :o


(Gotta love auto-correct/text. :banghead:)
What the... where on earth has that word come from.  I am not sure I have ever written that word  before  ;D any way  made me laugh too. :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 10, 2021, 08:27:03 am
I have ordered  one of the AW 52 kits for $43.30 including  registered  air mail from the Ukraine, which  works out not too bad really.  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 10, 2021, 09:43:57 am
So long as you don't go crazy while building it..............

And if they don't nab you for duty and VAT and 'handling charges' when it gets here too.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 10, 2021, 09:51:43 am
Hopefully  I  won't get  nabbed  for vat etc as the Ukraine isn't in the EU , and I have  bought  from them several times before with  no problem, so fingers crossed.  The kit itself  cost me  just over 27 dollars,  which  as long as I don't get  crucified  by the tax man, is a pretty good price.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on February 11, 2021, 06:20:45 am

And if they don't nab you for duty and VAT and 'handling charges' when it gets here too.

Yup, be interesting to see what happens Chris. The UK signed a Free Trade Deal with the Ukraine in November 2020, although I'm not 100% certain it's come into force yet, so you could be ok.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 11, 2021, 06:29:11 am

And if they don't nab you for duty and VAT and 'handling charges' when it gets here too.

Yup, be interesting to see what happens Chris. The UK signed a Free Trade Deal with the Ukraine in November 2020, although I'm not 100% certain it's come into force yet, so you could be ok.
Fingers crossed on that one, I  shall keep you posted  when it arrives  as the store I got it from  is one I have bought stuff from for quite some time and he is reasonably priced and  has some nice and also unusual stuff.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2021, 06:31:23 am

And if they don't nab you for duty and VAT and 'handling charges' when it gets here too.

Yup, be interesting to see what happens Chris. The UK signed a Free Trade Deal with the Ukraine in November 2020, although I'm not 100% certain it's come into force yet, so you could be ok.


And have the HMRC and the UK Border Force, AND the Post Office taken any notice of it?  :-\
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on February 11, 2021, 07:04:16 am

And have the HMRC and the UK Border Force, AND the Post Office taken any notice of it?  :-\

You can reclaim it from HMRC if they charge you when there's a Free Trade agreement, but the Post Office ? No idea
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2021, 07:42:16 am

And have the HMRC and the UK Border Force, AND the Post Office taken any notice of it?  :-\

You can reclaim it from HMRC if they charge you when there's a Free Trade agreement, but the Post Office ? No idea


It took a letter from my MP before they did that for me some years back, miserable, greedy gits!

Of course the PO say it's an 'administrative charge' which they think they can levy anyway, even if there's nothing TO administer. That took a solicitor's letter to sort out.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 16, 2021, 08:54:10 am
Just seen sprue shots of a 1/144 scale Handley page hastings.  Looks good, but they aren't  fooling me. ;D
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 16, 2021, 03:19:37 pm
I found my Mikro-Mir 1/144 Beverley kit last night, after it having been lost since the last Telford and that's WELL over a year ago!

I looked it it in a new light.............  :-\
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 16, 2021, 07:28:36 pm
Just seen sprue shits of a 1/144 scale Handley page hastings.  Looks good, but they aren't  fooling me. ;D
Chris

'Autocorrect, I'm tired of your Shirt!!' ;D
I'm just amazed the 'Sweary Mary Detector' didn't ping that one, as I've had the term 'sucks' altered before...
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on February 17, 2021, 01:42:49 am
Just seen sprue shits of a 1/144 scale Handley page hastings.  Looks good, but they aren't  fooling me. ;D
Chris

'Autocorrect, I'm tired of your Shirt!!' ;D
I'm just amazed the 'Sweary Mary Detector' didn't ping that one, as I've had the term 'sucks' altered before...
The joys of using my phone and  not proof reading what I  write  ;D
All sorted now
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on February 17, 2021, 02:05:22 am
The sweary mary detector will pick up a singular poo-poo but not many shits.

I leave it to others to comment...
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Old Wombat on February 17, 2021, 05:17:09 am
I wondered if it gave any fucks but found out it doesn't give a frak. :-X
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 17, 2021, 03:24:12 pm
I wondered if it gave any fucks but found out it doesn't give a frak. :-X

Or, indeed, any Frells... ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on March 16, 2021, 03:19:48 am
To be released soon.
1/72nd scale  SNCASO 9050 Trident  2
Krupp Forel imperial  Russian navy  submarine, also in 1/72nd scale.  Fingers crossed that they are actually buildable  without  feeling the need to  bounce them off a wall. I like the look of the Trident, it would look nice  sat with  my Nord Griffon.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 16, 2021, 05:07:56 am
....or, in the case of the Trident, to stab them INTO the wall.......?
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on March 16, 2021, 05:37:49 am
....or, in the case of the Trident, to stab them INTO the wall.......?

 ;D ;D if I get  one  I will  purchase a  cheap  dart board  just  in case
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on March 16, 2021, 10:53:22 am
I found my Mikro-Mir 1/144 Beverley kit last night, after it having been lost since the last Telford and that's WELL over a year ago!

I looked it it in a new light.............  :-\

IPMS-Deutschland build review, a review that actually talks about fit issues, rather than just saying
"there were fit issues".

http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/Flugzeuge/Adolf/Blackburn_Beverly_MikroMir.html

http://www.translatetheweb.com/?from=&to=en&dl=en&ref=trb&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ipmsdeutschland.de%2FFlugzeuge%2FAdolf%2FBlackburn_Beverly_MikroMir.html

Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 16, 2021, 01:10:44 pm
That's VERY useful Jon, thanks so much. I have two of them now, one to be Whiffed and one for an RW Bev.

Ref the oil leaks, my Dad used to say the Centaurus had 1000 cu ins more capacity than a Hercules, 1000 more hosepower and a MILLION more oil leaks.  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on March 24, 2021, 03:12:06 am
Coming  soon .....allegedly.
SNCASO Dever in 1/72nd scale. At least  it will give me something  else to throw at the dart board.  ;D
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 24, 2021, 05:27:27 am
Great stuff for Gary Anderson dioramas.  ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on March 24, 2021, 06:18:58 am
Rocketship!!!  :mellow:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on March 24, 2021, 02:19:45 pm
Also coming soon,  1/72nd scale  silbervogel Reich bomber. That could have lots of wiff potential. ;D
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on March 24, 2021, 05:16:15 pm
I believe it's being released under the AMP label.  Test shots:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=4029365420474497&id=1416295571781508&sfnsn=scwspmo
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on April 04, 2021, 03:25:45 pm
Just seen something that I am sure Tophe would approve of  Belyayev  DB-LK in 1/72nd scale,  as a future  release.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 04, 2021, 03:33:01 pm
Are you sure that's not a Blohm & Voss April 1st design?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on April 05, 2021, 04:00:58 am
I have just had a quick look  at it and it's  a real aircraft.  Designed and built in 1939,  it a flying wing long range bomber. I quite  like the look of it. :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: zenrat on April 05, 2021, 04:32:27 am
i must have one.

(https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/belyayev32fm_9-jpg.369783/)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on April 05, 2021, 05:50:11 am
Cockpits and cowling areas look slightly Japanese to me ? Interesting looking aircraft though whatever nationality you make it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Mossie on April 05, 2021, 08:48:45 am
I was trying to work that out, definitely not Russian looking.

I'm thinking of all sorts of things you could do splitting it into two single fuselages or go for a Tophe style asymmetric layout with push-pull engines on one boom.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: JayBee on April 05, 2021, 11:45:36 am
Here is a three view of it from Bill Gunston's Aircraft of the Soviet Union, 1983.


(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/1674/B31Nwg.jpg)


Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 05, 2021, 12:32:45 pm
I'd swear Tophe was on the design team for that if it wasn't symmetrical!  :o ;D
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: kerick on April 05, 2021, 06:18:13 pm
Here is a three view of it from Bill Gunston's Aircraft of the Soviet Union, 1983.


(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/1674/B31Nwg.jpg)

I was trying to imagine a way to kit bash that but this three view says no way!
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: NARSES2 on April 06, 2021, 06:09:40 am
I was trying to work that out, definitely not Russian looking.


Yup as well as having a Japanese look, to me at least, cowlings and cockpit area have a slightly Brewster look to them.

Thanks for the 3-view JB  :thumbsup: It's quite elegant looking
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Scotaidh on April 06, 2021, 06:33:46 am
I'd start with two Raiden engines & cockpits, and after that I'd rummage in my German spares for Fw-189 tails ...
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on April 07, 2021, 01:09:04 pm
"Not Russian looking." Que?

Polikarpov I-180 (first flight 1938)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/i180/i180-1.gif)

led to:

Polikarpov I-185 (first flight 1941)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fww2/i185/i185-1.gif)

Sukhoi Su-2 shturmovik (first flight 1939)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/su2/su2-1.gif)

Ilyushin DB-3 (first flight 1935, well in advance of similar appearing Japanese aircraft, developed into Il-4)
(http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bww2/db3/db3-1.gif)
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on April 07, 2021, 01:28:55 pm
I think it would  suit a very large torpedo  slung under the centre line,  and some heavy cannons  in the wings to keep Gerry's deck hands  heads down.
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: Tophe on April 08, 2021, 03:14:31 am
Just seen something that I am sure Tophe would approve of  Belyayev  DB-LK in 1/72nd scale,  as a future  release.
:wub: Yes, interesting! (even if I would prefer 1/144) :unsure:
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on April 14, 2021, 12:22:00 pm
Next  in the pipeline,  is a 1/72nd scale  XB -51. I could  possibly be tempted by  one of these as it would  fit my build timeline,  possibly  switch the engines for a pair of Olympus  ones, should  make a formidable  rival to the Canberra.
Chris
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 14, 2021, 01:37:52 pm
I like the sound of that.  :thumbsup:

But I'll reserve judgement on buying one until I've actually seen some sprues and the instructions.

And to see if they match............  :-\
Title: Re: Micro-Mir
Post by: chrisonord on April 14, 2021, 01:53:45 pm
I like the sound of that.  :thumbsup:

But I'll reserve judgement on buying one until I've actually seen some sprues and the instructions.

And to see if they match............  :-\
Haha, I  shall be doing exactly the same  Kit.  ;D ;D