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Title: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 02, 2013, 10:07:41 am
A while back our own perttime asked a question of sturmvogel about doing a profile of a Sabre engined Bearcat and he produced this as a result.

(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6518/sabrecatconcept.jpg)

This struck me a GREAT idea and I had an old Frog Bearcat to hand, courtesy of The Wooksta a while ago, and I dug out a Heller Tempest from The Loft. Mating the two together was NOT easy as the Tempest cowling  was about a scale 2 feet narrower than the Bearcat. Yes, it really IS a fat little aircraft! It was easier to spread the Sabre's cowling at the rear than it was to narrow the Bearcat and so I added a wedge of styrene bwteen the two cowling halves, and then trimmed and adjusted to suit. It fitted, sort of, eventually, but the underside radiator outlet is now assymetric but you can't see it when it's on its wheeels anyway.  ;D

VAST amounts of putty were needed and you can see that in the pics as I haven't started to sand it off yet.

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/1703/sabrecata.jpg)

(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/7329/sabrecatb.jpg)

What colour scheme am I going to do it in you may be asking? Well, as it's got a Brit engine it seemed that the FAA Pacific Fleet would be the most likely recipient and as luck would have it Spinners produced a wonderful FAA schemed Bearcat almost on the same day as I decided to do this model. It looks terrific in the overall Sea Blue so you can get a rough idea what my Sabrecat is going to look like.

(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/6909/sabrecatcolourscheme.jpg)

That's real 'Combined Ops' at work here, a request by one of us, profiled by another, built by a third and coloured by a fourth!  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: perttime on May 02, 2013, 11:49:47 am
OH YES!!!

That is looking good!  :wub:  :thumbsup:
Looks as if the "chin" protrudes more than in sturmvogels drawing - but that will just make it look more aggressive.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 02, 2013, 01:44:20 pm
It does a bit, but sturmvogel's aircraft was a modified racer and didn't need the large radiator area that the FAA Sabrecats needed out in the Pacific.........  ;)

Actually it's so curved that it'd be an even worse job to change the stock scoop than it was to add it to the Bearcat in the first place.  :banghead:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: sturmvogel on May 02, 2013, 03:08:34 pm
I'm glad to see one of my ideas being put into plastic. Nice start! ;D
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Army of One on May 02, 2013, 03:09:42 pm
That looks pretty good.....are the wings long enough... ;)
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: kitnut617 on May 02, 2013, 03:12:30 pm
(JMN hat on)

The Sabre VIII was a contra-prop version of the Sabre VII  (I was told that by Phil Butler)

(JMN hat off)

Out of interest, I've read that a couple of Sabre VII's were bench tested to 5500 hp
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 02, 2013, 04:54:32 pm
That looks pretty good.....are the wings long enough... ;)

No, but just for once I'll keep them as they are. A Bearcat derivative NEEDS to look short and fat.  ;D
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 03, 2013, 12:17:02 am
Interesting. The chin-mounted radiator will look odd, but with this mash-up the expression "power egg" receives a new meaning. Cool idea, looks VERY promising!  :wub:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: NARSES2 on May 03, 2013, 07:35:28 am
Looking forward to this one Kit
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: tc2324 on May 03, 2013, 07:50:06 am
Possibly the craziest idea I`ve seen from you to date and a tad concerned you have gone from very long wings to a type known for it`s very small wings...  :blink:

Nurse..., I think he`s ill....    ;D
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 03, 2013, 08:50:49 am
Nurse..., I think he`s ill....    ;D

Well I was, perhaps I haven't fully recovered?  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 07, 2013, 01:48:46 am
The Sabrecat idea got me hooked... I have an old Matchbox Tempest somewhere, of which I won't use the Sabre engine front part. I might try to get my hands on an Art Model Bearcat... might look cool in FAA colors (EDSG/EDSG/Sky), like some Hellcats in the Pacific theatre (good for the Asiarama GB  ;D)? I like the compact size of this "thing"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 08, 2013, 07:41:08 am
I am in! Got an Art Model Bearcat on order (comes from Latvia...) and I have settled on a FAA Pacific livery, with some white trim on the fin and a white spinner - maybe with five blades for a reduced diameter. Will take some weeks to materialize, due to logistics and another project I just started (a SF project, but also a kind of whif), but Kit's blue Sabrecat won't remain a single  ;D
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 08, 2013, 07:44:15 am
That sounds great, can't wait to see your take on the idea Thomas.  :thumbsup:

I'm going to use the ENORMOUS Tempest prop, or I will if it will clear the ground anyway. The Bearcat prop is big enough but the Tempest one is MASSIVE by comparison.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 08, 2013, 08:00:26 am
Yup, that's the technical problem which I see. Mine could be a Mk. II - I have an aftermarket 5-bladed Spitfire prop somehere, and I might scratch a new spinner from a drop tank tip, anyway. Could work, I even considered a contraprop, but I guess five blades will be martial enough. The nose might become toomlong for the short aircraft, and the original diameter is rel. large.

I am actually looking forward to see the result(s), too, since both will be based on different kits!

Good idea with the insert between the engine halves. I'll try that trick, too, and Presto will do the rest (as on yours, as I can see ;))
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 08, 2013, 08:07:30 am
Good idea with the insert between the engine halves. I'll try that trick, too, and Presto will do the rest (as on yours, as I can see ;))

About 1/4 of a tube so far, and it STILL needs more to get rid of the flat on the top!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 08, 2013, 08:20:42 am
Oops!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: kitnut617 on May 08, 2013, 09:23:00 am
Some time ago I put a Tempest spinner on one of the Bearcats I have, it seems to go quite well so a similar set up would be quite good.

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/American%20Fighters/F8FBearcat002.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/American%20Fighters/F8FBearcat002.jpg.html)

I'm also converting another Tempest spinner into a contra-prop arrangement, but it does need to be extended at the rear end a bit and this was using the larger of the two spinners that comes in the Matchbox kit. I also moved the front prop further forward into the spinner though ---

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/De%20Havilland%20DH101/Contra-prop004.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/De%20Havilland%20DH101/Contra-prop004.jpg.html)
(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/De%20Havilland%20DH101/Contra-prop003.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/De%20Havilland%20DH101/Contra-prop003.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 08, 2013, 11:45:43 am
Is that the standard Bearcat prop Robert?
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: kitnut617 on May 08, 2013, 12:56:30 pm
Yes Kit ---

How about putting a five blade Sea Fury prop on it, with the tips trimmed down a tad. Sort of like this;

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Tempest%20and%20Fury/MkIII.jpg) (http://s200.photobucket.com/user/kitnut617/media/Tempest%20and%20Fury/MkIII.jpg.html)
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 13, 2013, 12:36:41 am
That's what I will try on mine, even though it will be a smaller 5-bladed prop from the start (from a Griffon Spitfire). Should look beefy, though!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on May 13, 2013, 01:30:58 am
Does this help, Mr S ??

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4086 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4086)

Ian
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 13, 2013, 01:44:43 am
Does this help, Mr S ??

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4086 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4086)

Ian

Cor, that's different Ian! Is that a Centaurus engine from a Sea Fury perhaps? What prop is it please?

I'm minded that the Bearcat had a tricky landing gear that actually got shorter as it retracted, the main pivot point moving outboard during the process, so if my Tempest prop is too big to start with I'll just lengthen the legs and arrange for them to shorten even more.  ;D
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on May 13, 2013, 01:56:00 am
I used a spare P-51 spinner from a Tamiya kit and cut-down the root of the F8F's props by about 7mm if I recall correctly. Of course this is all in 1:48 so may not translate to 1:72  :blink:  'Think you saw it in the flesh, I built this and the SEAC P-51 for the 'Far East '46' theme at Telfors about three or four years back.

Ian
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: perttime on May 13, 2013, 02:48:27 am
I'm minded that the Bearcat had a tricky landing gear that actually got shorter as it retracted, the main pivot point moving outboard during the process,
Something like that. Looks like the leg itself folds about 1/4 of the way down. The full resolution version of a Wikipedia photo shows some detail:
(link to a smaller preview version)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Blueangels_BearcatF8F.jpg
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 13, 2013, 07:02:51 am
Does this help, Mr S ??

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4086 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=4086)

Ian

Yes, wow. My plan has a similar look, just with the Sabre nose, and maybe with very small roundels only.

Nice build, BTW. looks gorgeous!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 16, 2013, 01:51:40 am
My Art Model F8F-2 arrived yesterday from Latvia. Decent kit, featuring a resin engine, cockpit, wheels and landing gear well interior. Overall rather simple, but for EUR 10 a good kit with engraved panel lines.
With its higher tail fin this is certainly to become the "Sabrecat Mk. II". Parts are complete now (I even have some British rockets at hand to replace the US HVARs), as well as decals - but currently I still have the BSG Viper on the bench that takes some time.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 16, 2013, 02:18:42 am
I'd like to hear what you think of the Art Model Bearcat Thomas, it seems to have some good press but I've never seen one in the plastic.

I have two of the Monogram F8F-1s in The Loft but they're seriously ancient by now.

I'm on maybe the 7th or 8th PSR session on the nose of my Sabrecat so far. Sometimes I wonder why I do this, I HATE PSR!   :banghead:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 16, 2013, 03:12:29 am
Well, I have seen three Art Model kits in real life so far, and built one - the Bv 155 became my French Aéronavale whif (the Arsenal AS.21), and it was/is a good kit - I even got naother one, to build it OOB, some day...

I also have the Art Model Ye-8, the MiG-21 derivate with the chin air intake. It also looks pretty good - simple kit, with not too much detail, but I expect fit to be good, it has recessed panel lines, too, and features resin parts for the cockpit.

Compared with the Monogram F8F-1 (which is ancient and probably undead, since it pops up every now and then in new boxings...), the Art Model Bearcat has less surface detail - but that's no wonder when any single nut had been added onto the surface.
Wing construction is different - the AM has single wings (instead of the Monogram's connected solution), but inside a resin part that makes up the landing gear wells goes through the fuselage. It's a totally different kit, obviously CG-designed. The material is a grey plastic that feels less "brittle" than the typical Monogram/Revell stuff. I expect it to be easier to convert (I also have a Monogram F8F-1 stashed away, which is to become a real life Vietnam Air Force model).  ;D

The Monogram Bearcat is surely not bad, though, and my AM kit was pretty cheap, so I gave it a try. And it is the late version with the taller fin.

Check this here - also generally a great website from Poland when you are looking for sprue shots, decal options or instructions:

http://www.model-making.eu/products/Grumman-F8F-2-Bearcat.html

Concerning the conversion and putty work, I will certainly take your advice/trick with the insert between the Sabre halves. For rough work and "sculpting" I tend not to use NC putty like Presto, but rather 2C stuff. After rough shaping and sanding, I use the NC putty for the finish/surface (that's what it actually is intended for), this method prevents those tedious putty-sanding-sessions when you try to mate things that are not supposed to belong together by nature...  ;)
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: kitnut617 on May 16, 2013, 06:16:09 am
The Bearcat in the pic I posted further up was Monogram kit, but I've got a Frog kit too and it's identical to the Monogram one and will be built OOB. I also have a Sword kit which has the tall tail and a couple of the High Planes kits too. All 1/72 scale --
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 16, 2013, 08:29:45 am
I've built a couple of the Monogram kits way back, and did one as pylon racer which needed the taller fin of the -2 model. It was pretty easy to do that, especially compared with the myriad other changes I had to make to the airframe!.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 28, 2013, 08:28:38 am
Any progress here? I am currently doing finishing touches to my current BSG Viper Mk. II build, the Sabrecat is probably next.  ;D
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 28, 2013, 10:39:28 am
Not for a week as I've been away in France seeing my brother, but I'll be back in the Model Room this evening.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 29, 2013, 06:41:00 am
I've started writing up a background story, as a parallel development of the Sabrecat to the USN Bearcat - only about 50 were built of both Mk. I and Mk. II types, and only used by the FAA in the final months of war in the Pacific theatre...  ;)
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: The Wooksta! on May 29, 2013, 06:52:51 am
It may have been easier to use the spare Sabre from the Matchbox Tempest kit...

Not too keen on the beard radiator* - they were there on the Tempest as the Air Min didn't like the leading edge radiators, the Tempest V could use a Typhoon 'power egg' and the Sabre for the Tempest I was behind schedule.  I would have went for the leading edge radiators and smooth cowl of the Sabre Fury for aerodynamic cleanliness.  

How about a RR Eagle Bearcat instead?

I've a Tempest II that'll be getting a Sea Fury prop at some stage too.


*Then again, I've never been a fan of the "take cowling from Aircraft A and fit to Aircraft B" approach, mainly because different companies always have a different take on how to cowl an aircraft engine - look at the myriad different cowls for Merlins.  And I don't subscribe to the "It's whiff world" answer either.  That's just a cop out for laziness.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 29, 2013, 12:46:33 pm
That's just a cop out for laziness.

Er, no........

Read the original post again. My model is a 3D representation of one of Sturmvogel's profiles, crossed with the colour scheme from one of Spinners' 'Strike Fighters' repaints, so THAT'S why it's like it is.

And mating the Sabre cowling to the Bearcat fuselage is anything BUT zn easy solution, it was a lot of hard work packing and puttying and patching, and still is!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 02, 2013, 01:16:28 pm
Good news: mine is already nearing completion! After initial trouble with the Art Model Bearcat (the resin parts did not really fit, took a lot of work) things went REALLY fast - the kit stands on its own legs right now, and paint is drying...  :ph34r:

What confuses me is that I did not need to widen the Matchbox Sabre front part. I considered it at some time, but finally used the OOB parts and putty to fit the pieces together - less complicated than my Australian Griffon Corsair.

Pleasant result, and the Temperate Sea Scheme suits the lil' bug very well  ;D

As a side comment: where's laziness here? Kit and I are paying tribute to another whiffer's idea - I'd rather suggest that taking an OOB kit and just change pant and decals might be calles "laziness", but even this might not count. It's about the idea, neither rivet-counting or spending months in the basement to tinker together something. Just "using" an engine might look simple or trivial, but realising this (or just having the idea and a potential why behind it) is nothing to be looked down upon.

Pics to come when the kit is through, as well as "my" story about this compact fighter. I am currently in a bottleneck situation with new model photos...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 02, 2013, 02:04:29 pm
It looks like the Matchbox/Heller/Frog/Art Model quad cound't make their minds up how wide the Tempest and Bearcat were between them.

I managed to pick the two with the greatest difference and you got the closest pair.  ;D :lol:

I'm STILL applying putty by the pound, and then sanding it off again........  :banghead:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 03, 2013, 12:39:01 am
More or less finished the kit today in the morning, just missing external ordnance (probably two bombs and four British unguided rockets).

Well, it could be that I somehow "narrowed" the Art Model kit's forward fuselage, because the parts tended to overlap there. The kit misses any "nuts and bolts" that help fixing the fuselage halves, and the wings (these are one part, including the lower fuselage) push the fuselage halves together rather strongly, maybe that was/is the reason?

Looks lovely, it also got some white ID stripes on the wings and tail surfaces, as well as a white spinner, very unique. At first glance you think Tempest, but then... the tail is too short and tall, the landing gear too high. The Sabre engine is very characteristic and "misguiding", but the overall aircraft does not look as head-heavy as I expected. Reminds me of some Boulton-Paul high performance fighter designs from WWII, but these had radial engines, IIRC.

Looking forward to your build, Kit!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Father Ennis on June 03, 2013, 03:41:11 pm
We want pictures ... !!!    We want pictures ... !!!   We want pictures ... !!!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 03, 2013, 04:06:01 pm
We want pictures ... !!!    We want pictures ... !!!   We want pictures ... !!!

You wouldn't like ones of mine at the moment......

With all the PSR work I've decided to remove all the raised 'panel lines' as most of them will vanish under the wet-and-dry assault that I've been visiting on the airframe. It looks decidedly odd at the moment but it's getting there.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: rickshaw on June 03, 2013, 06:52:23 pm
I wonder, has anybody put a Centaurus on the front of a Bearcat?

Or what about a late model Hercules?
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: sturmvogel on June 03, 2013, 07:11:08 pm
We want pictures ... !!!    We want pictures ... !!!   We want pictures ... !!!

You wouldn't like ones of mine at the moment......

With all the PSR work I've decided to remove all the raised 'panel lines' as most of them will vanish under the wet-and-dry assault that I've been visiting on the airframe. It looks decidedly odd at the moment but it's getting there.

Any photos are better than none, but if you don't want to add any that's fine.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat +++ pics of dizzyfugu's kit
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 04, 2013, 12:34:35 am
You asked for it - here's a sneak preview of my Sabrecat interpretation (95% status, some details and paint things are still missing) - more to come soon  ;D

Official title: Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8534/8938391924_bcb19a3f5c_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391924/)
Sneak preview +++ 1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391924/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3769/8938391820_15cb7c6dc6_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391820/)
Sneak preview +++ 1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391820/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/8938391642_39110eef67_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391642/)
Sneak preview +++ 1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391642/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2823/8938391510_2328c2e843_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391510/)
Sneak preview +++ 1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8938391510/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 04, 2013, 02:44:37 am
That looks TERRIFIC Thomas!  :thumbsup: :bow:

That 'big chin' look is just how I hope mine will turn outbut in a totally different colour scheme.

Yours has the taller -2 fin as well, doesn't it? I'm going to stick with the MONSTER 4 bladed prop from the Tempest for mine, and I reckon that will make mine a Sabrecat Mk. I. They obviously had yaw stability problems with the Mk Is, thus the taller fin and smaller side area prop on the Mk IIs.......  ;)
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 04, 2013, 02:56:49 am
Yes, the stability problems made Grumman intruduce the taller fin (you are absolutely correct), which, BTW, was later taken over to the F8F-2.  ;)

I am looking forward to see yours with the HUGE propeller. I held the respective part from the Matchbox kit onto my conversion, and it looks intimidating! The most crazy thing: the Bearcat's tall landing gear makes its use actually feasible! But the I wondered about torque and low speed handling, and that made me switch to the five-bladed prop - and the "mixer" look, together with the fat spinner.  :wacko:

Some paint repairs have to be made, and the external ordnance is still on the work bench. But progress is good, I hope to be able to take (more) beauty pics towards the weekend.

I also made WiP pics from my conversion work and some details of the Art Model kit - all will be posted when everything is done.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Father Ennis on June 04, 2013, 02:19:06 pm
Great looking build ... !!!    :cheers:    It looks like a Typhoon,to me,but I'm not much on building aircraft models...    LOL !!!   
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: TallEng on June 04, 2013, 05:22:40 pm
One is struck by the thought, that a 'Grumman Sabrecat' looks awfully like what
A later type Miles fighter would/could have looked like, If you see what I mean? :blink:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: NARSES2 on June 05, 2013, 07:22:38 am

A later type Miles fighter would/could have looked like, If you see what I mean? :blink:

Regards
Keith

Now you mention it, I do sir
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Rheged on June 05, 2013, 07:40:35 am

A later type Miles fighter would/could have looked like, If you see what I mean? :blink:

Regards
Keith

Now you mention it, I do sir

I'd not thought of that, but I can see exactly what you mean!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 06, 2013, 12:54:06 am
 ;D

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5469/8967143002_86d4cc3664_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967143002/)
1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967143002/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5322/8967142958_1638193f47_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967142958/)
1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967142958/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3807/8967143084_58f23145f4_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967143084/)
1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967143084/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2818/8967143042_3db5f398e2_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967143042/)
1:72 Grumman Sabrecat Mk. II; aircraft "C-3M/JZ931 of 800 NAS, Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm; Trimcomalee, May 1945 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8967143042/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 06, 2013, 03:43:39 am
MAGIC stuff Thomas!  :thumbsup: :bow:

That really does have the 'big shouldered' look that Sturmvogel's original drawing had.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 06, 2013, 06:39:20 am
It's like a mix of a hummingbird and Popeye the Sailor...?  :unsure:

More pics and a complete post to come soon!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 06, 2013, 08:25:48 am
Just posted all of my build in a separate thread.  ;D

But now things are starting take a global scale (and maybe get out of control - YES!  :wacko:): please take a look at the Sabrecat Mk. III!  :party:

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/8968463193_2222b09834_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franclab/8968463193/)
Sabrecat Mk III (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franclab/8968463193/) by Franclab (http://www.flickr.com/people/franclab/), on Flickr

This is a further suggested development, from fellow user franclab (from Canada) on flickr.com who saw my build and suggested a Mk. III with a Fw 190D-style fuselage extension, to counter the type's stability issues.

Now, who's going to build THIS one... it would deserve reaching the hardware stage!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 06, 2013, 11:42:37 pm
By the way, the circle is closing... How about attacking the LSR with a leftover Sabrecat Mk. III? Another outside contribution from/by Franclab from Canada  ;D

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5443/8972342731_1717f0df14_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franclab/8972342731/)
Sabrecat WSR (http://www.flickr.com/photos/franclab/8972342731/) by Franclab (http://www.flickr.com/people/franclab/), on Flickr

Sweet, ain't it?
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 12, 2019, 03:26:03 am
After a SIX year pause, short by my standards  ;D I'm resurrecting the Sabrecat project.

I found the box containing the various chunks of the model hidden amongst the pile of rubbish that passes for my model bench while looking for some matt black paint. How can any modeller worth their salt NOT have 2-3 tins of matt black? Somehow I've managed to get into that deplorable state, and it needs to be remedied very quickly!  :banghead:

Anyway, the Sabrecat emerged from this chaos and it occurred to me that just a little more work, mostly PSR, would get up and running in time for Telford.
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 12, 2019, 05:20:31 pm
Love to see neglected builds see the light day again!
Title: Re: The Grumman Sabrecat
Post by: NARSES2 on October 13, 2019, 06:24:08 am
How can any modeller worth their salt NOT have 2-3 tins of matt black?

I found I'd run out of US Interior Green in the middle of my Mitchel build, could of sworn I had a couple of extra's. Couldn't even get any at the show I went to and had to buy a tin of enamel in the end. Needless to say paints are on my Telford list  :angel: