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Picture Post => Current and Finished Projects => Aircraft => Topic started by: PR19_Kit on February 07, 2013, 01:45:53 pm

Title: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 07, 2013, 01:45:53 pm
I needed something relatively simple to get me back into proper model building after the medics OK'd me to sit without a soft back support (my model room 'chair' is a draughtman's stool so I can rotate to different places easily) so I resurrected one of my part-builds.

(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7545/colibribuilda.jpg)

The first bit looks like a chunk off a large scale R/C ship model but actually it isn't.....


(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/192/colibribuildb.jpg)

.....and now of course you know EXACTLY what it is!

Moulded with Mach 2's usual exemplary fine detail and well fitting care (cough, splutter.....) it's the SNECMA Coleoptere kit of course.

The Colibri is going to be an 'in service' Armee de L'Air VTOL point defence interceptor from the mid to late 60s. Colibris were located in flights of 3-4 in warehouses around important possible targets and could be tractored out to surrounding car parks and launched quickly to intercept incoming strikes. Armed with Matra 530 and Magic missiles the Colibris formed a formidable barrier to any potential aggressor. (Yeah, right, but it's going to look good anyway!  ;D)

I'd like to thank Tophe for translating my chosen 'Hummingbird' title into French.  :thumbsup:

(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/5429/colibribuildc.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Rheged on February 07, 2013, 02:32:30 pm
................and how are you planning to lengthen  a circular wing????
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 07, 2013, 02:35:30 pm
Funny stuff ! Nice start, good to see you back in the ring !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 07, 2013, 04:33:08 pm
................and how are you planning to lengthen  a circular wing????

That's pretty much what Mrs PR_19 said when I showed her the 'first draft' of the model!  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Tophe on February 07, 2013, 04:44:00 pm
 :wub: Nice project! Have a good health as much as possible :-\ :thumbsup:

PS. Years after the SNECMA Colibri appeared another Colibri aircraft, see
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&gs_rn=2&gs_ri=serp&pq=avion+colibri&cp=14&gs_id=4&xhr=t&q=avion+colibri+mb2&safe=active&rlz=1G1SMSN_FRFR507&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&bvm=bv.42080656,d.d2k&biw=1463&bih=707&wrapid=tljp136028489282900&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=40wUUf6FFtSZ0QWd6IC4Cw
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 07, 2013, 06:04:45 pm
Cor, Tophe, I didn't know there was a real Colibri too!

There was another 'Hummingbird', that was the Lockheed XV-4A but it was considerably less stylish than my Colibri.  ;D

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/4923/lockheedxv4a.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: bearmatt on February 11, 2013, 12:34:29 am
That will be very interesting to see once finished!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Mr.Creak on February 11, 2013, 12:41:52 am
And there was a VSTOL Colibri too (But spelt with a "K").
(http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/aircraft/Flettner-282/IMAGES/flettner-FL282-2.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2013, 04:18:10 am
And there was a VSTOL Colibri too (But spelt with a "K").

I didn't know that Flettner thingie even had a name! Now mine's got some provenence at least.  ;D

More build piccies later today with luck.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Martin H on February 11, 2013, 09:07:00 am
And there was a VSTOL Colibri too (But spelt with a "K").

I didn't know that Flettner thingie even had

Kit. You have lent on the world only known survivor of the Flettner (the V20 WNr280020). Its in the Robin hanger at the Midland Air Museum ;D
Its in need of a lot of TLC. At the mo its pretty much just the metal tube airframe, the museum has plans to rebuild the rest of it at some point in the near future. It shares one thing with XR222. Its an ex Cranfield inmate.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2013, 12:08:22 pm
You learn something new every day, even though I'd leant on it I still didn't know it had a name.  ;D

As for it being at Cranfield I'm vainly wracking my brain trying to remember if I saw it there in my time, but it's coming up blank.

My Colibi's quite a bit prettier though, even if it is just as weird!  ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2013, 01:44:37 pm
Lots of PSR work needed on this model (but then it IS a Mach 2 original....) so I've been puttying and sanding for a while, without much visible improvement I must say but I'm getting there slowly. As the missiles carried will include a Matra R530 it'll need a radar illuminator so I hacked the nose off a Matchbox Mirage III (it'd already been partly built but it only cost 5p...) and grafted that onto the nose of the Colibri, MORE PSR needed! After a preliminary sanding of the putty on the wing I tried a test fit of the fuselage and it seems to work quite well, but I can't get the darn thing out again now! A little gentle warming with a hair dryer is called for I think....

(http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3446/colibribuildd.jpg)

The trailer/launcher is proceeding too, with the cradle now glued to the lower platform and one of the 'hydraulic jacks' positioned. The other jack needs lots more fettling and a new piston rod as its original has snapped off and been devoured by the Carpet Monster.  :banghead:

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/2632/colibribuilde.jpg)

When complete I plan to display it with the aircraft on its tail and optionally on the cradle too so I tried a test fit of the latter and amazingly it worked quite well!  ;D

(http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/7995/colibribuildf.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: rickshaw on February 18, 2013, 12:52:04 am
How, where are are the missiles going to go?
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 18, 2013, 02:10:40 am
That's a good question..........  :unsure:

Having done quite a few trial fittings the missile load may be limited to just the two Magics as the R530 is a HUGE missle and needs a tall pylon for it to clear the mounting surface. I've also looked at a couple of pod mounted DEFA cannon as well, they'd be a tight fit but may work OK.

This model's stalled a bit as it's SO darn difficult to work with that Mach 2 plastic, in the meanwhile I started on another job, one that uses up large portions of three of my stock items and it's just got to the painting stage......  ;)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: JayBee on February 18, 2013, 04:33:40 am
................and how are you planning to lengthen  a circular wing????

That's pretty much what Mrs PR_19 said when I showed her the 'first draft' of the model!  ;D :lol:

Increase the diameter of the ring?  :wacko: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 18, 2013, 05:35:20 am
................and how are you planning to lengthen  a circular wing????

That's pretty much what Mrs PR_19 said when I showed her the 'first draft' of the model!  ;D :lol:

Increase the diameter of the ring?  :wacko: :thumbsup:

Good in theory JayeBee, but the DEVIL of a job to do in reality. You'd need to do LOTS of filing to get the cross-section right and you'd have to build new struts to mount the fuselage. Plus it wouldn't fit the trolley either, so mine's going to have a hi-tech lifting section to carry the extra weight......

Yeah, right.  ;)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Tophe on February 18, 2013, 09:32:21 pm
I love the new nose :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 19, 2013, 12:12:20 am
Bizarrely, while digging around looking for some stuff for another project, I found I'd got a part built model of a Flettner Colibri!  :o

It's an old Huma kit which I must have had since the dawn of time, but I can't remember buying it, or why I did in the first place! It's not that pretty and looks an absolute pig to build!

Meanwhile, somewhere in 1/72 scale France, the SNECMA Colibri is proceeding again. Warming with a hair dyer expanded and softened the 'wing' enough to extract the fuselage and I've at last managed to assemble the instrument panel and the ejector seat, although the seat came from somewhere else as the kit offering looks NOTHING like any ejector seat I've seen before! I should get some paint on the inside of the cockpit today and then I can start the struggle to insert the myriad windows. One of them is in the FLOOR, for goodness sake!
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Weaver on February 19, 2013, 05:09:44 am
Nice project Kit!  :thumbsup:

(Note sure how fighting a Mach 2 kit counts as an easy re-introduction to anything though.....)




Mr.Creak - couldn't resist nicking your picture for a motivational poster: it's over on the appropriate thread.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 19, 2013, 06:10:51 am

(Note sure how fighting a Mach 2 kit counts as an easy re-introduction to anything though.....)


I'm starting to think you may be right there! All four wheels of the trolley/launcher are different sizes....  :o
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: sandiego89 on February 19, 2013, 06:35:35 am
Keep it up, love VTOL tail sitters!  Perhaps some little stub wings mounted at the mid point on the circular wing?  Would give a little lift and a place to mount the missiles or gun pods. 
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 19, 2013, 08:43:53 am
That's not a bad idea! I might just give that a go, thanks.  :thumbsup:

Of course we'll have to install the more powerful Atar DV-62-a engine..........  ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 13, 2019, 06:24:45 am
I'm continuing this build in this thread rather than carry on with the other one.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 13, 2019, 06:35:53 am
Kit would you like me to move any of the replies over from that new thread, delete it or what ?

Let me know and I'll see what I can do

Chris
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 13, 2019, 08:36:09 am
Quote
How the devil did you find it, cos I looked for AGES and failed? Of course it didn't that I renamed it in the original thread.

Sometimes I use a certain search methodology when things are elusive. What I try to do is simplify and generalize my search terms as much as possible so search engines don't have to work as hard. The more words in the search, the less likely you are to find something sometimes so..... I just "boiled it down" to what I KNEW would likely be in the title: "SNECMA."  That's it.  I simply searched for "SNECMA" And it popped right up. ;D ;D

This is also a handy tip for looking for models on eBay. Don't look in specific categories, go all the way out to the general "models" (sometimes I go clear out to the "toys" category itself, I found an awesome rare 1/144 Boeing 727 kit this way as it wasn't listed in models at all....)  category because people are all the time listing things in the wrong place! Also, Instead of "Revell C-5 Galaxy 1/144 scale"I simply search "C-5 Galaxy"and I get things I would have missed otherwise. 

Basically, I use K.I.S.S. when I use search functions. I learned this stuff the hard way after endless hours of searching fruitlessly for things. Sometimes search engines leave out results completely in an attempt to be as precise with the search as we are with the search criteria.

 
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 13, 2019, 09:06:24 am
I was looking for 'Coleoptre', forgetting that I'd renamed the thing originally.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 13, 2019, 09:26:01 am

Kit would you like me to move any of the replies over from that new thread, delete it or what ?


It's OK thanks Chris, it'll do as it is thanks.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 13, 2019, 10:02:15 am
I was looking for 'Coleoptre', forgetting that I'd renamed the thing originally.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 

I think forensic scientists have done studies on this junk. I've had it happen to me plenty of times, including things like remember something being a completely wrong color or being the wrong model or something like with an automobile. I'm starting not to trust my long term memory as much....      :unsure:     
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 14, 2019, 06:29:02 am

Kit would you like me to move any of the replies over from that new thread, delete it or what ?


It's OK thanks Chris, it'll do as it is thanks.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Paper Kosmonaut on October 14, 2019, 02:07:58 pm
To add some more Kolibri named aircraft, the Dutch also had one, a ramjet-propelled small helicopter (https://youtu.be/2b-h8NgsieQ). It was made in 1957 and flew very well, but didn't have a lot of success at the market.

(http://www.helistart.com/pictures/NHI-H3-Kolibrie.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Cobra on October 14, 2019, 04:12:18 pm
Kit,Your Colibri looks like Something You'd See in a Thunderbirds or Other Gerry Anderson Show Episode! Keep up the Great Work,Quick Q:any Thoughts on Color & markings for Your Project? Just Wondering & Good Luck :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Dan
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 14, 2019, 04:20:28 pm
It's going to be NMF with some spurious Armee de l'Air markings Dan. Like the real thing but in service.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 22, 2019, 11:59:26 pm
After LOTS of filing the fuselage is now glued inside the wing, a major step in the construction.  :thumbsup:

Sadly, while filing the sided so that it fits, the under seat window, which virtually the entire floor of the cockpit, vanished into the ether never to be seen again. :banghead: I'll have to cut a new one from clear sheet, but it's not flat on the real thing so I'm not sure how that will look as yet.

The cockpit and seat are painted now so the canopy and side windows should be glued in place soon.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Scotaidh on October 23, 2019, 01:50:48 am
After LOTS of filing the fuselage is now glued inside the wing, a major step in the construction.  :thumbsup:

Sadly, while filing the sided so that it fits, the under seat window, which virtually the entire floor of the cockpit, vanished into the ether never to be seen again. :banghead: I'll have to cut a new one from clear sheet, but it's not flat on the real thing so I'm not sure how that will look as yet.

The cockpit and seat are painted now so the canopy and side windows should be glued in place soon.

I've used my wife's left-over fake fingernails for canopies.  They come in a variety of curves, sizes, etc. from pinky-sized to thumb-nail.  I'm sure there are clear ones out there - possibly one of those might work for you?
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 23, 2019, 05:23:42 am

I've used my wife's left-over fake fingernails for canopies.  They come in a variety of curves, sizes, etc. from pinky-sized to thumb-nail.  I'm sure there are clear ones out there - possibly one of those might work for you?


Now that's a REALLY good idea, thanks for that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 23, 2019, 04:13:59 pm
I've spent over an HOUR fixing the four landing gear legs and fins onto the Colibri's wing tonight.  :banghead:

Of course, being a Mach2 kit, the slots for the legs aren't wide enough to take them and need extensive filing. Not only that, the legs are different lengths, so each slot has to be custom filed!!!

My normal Revell Contacta glue seemed to have no effect on the Mach2 styrene so I had to resort to superglue, and that got everywhere. So much so that one leg, which I had to remove and re-position (for the FIFTH time!) managed to glue itself to my work mat, and it took a considerable amount of work to separate the blasted thing.

Right now I'm waiting for the glue to harden and I may, repeat may, post pics of it standing on its legs tomorrow. But you can bet I'll have to file the tyres to get it to sit level.  :banghead:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 23, 2019, 04:22:33 pm
You always seem to go for these intensive builds. I like what F-RSIN boxes say, "For the enthusiastic modeller."  Yeah, you need to be pretty enthusiastic to do these short run builds. I applaud you for hopping on the grenades for us! I still haven't built a Mach 2. I have a couple....  the Seabee and ..well, maybe that's it. I almost started it once.....  ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 24, 2019, 12:12:08 am

You always seem to go for these intensive builds. I like what F-RSIN boxes say, "For the enthusiastic modeller."  Yeah, you need to be pretty enthusiastic to do these short run builds. I applaud you for hopping on the grenades for us! I still haven't built a Mach 2. I have a couple....  the Seabee and ..well, maybe that's it. I almost started it once.....  ;D


Very true Brad, I don't seem to go for anything basic, do I? Maybe I'll do a 'Repaint Build' before long, just so the build process is straightforward. And it WON'T be a Mach2 kit!

Here's the Colibri standing on its four (level.....) legs. What a funny looking thing it is, and it's not even got a HINT of a Magic attached to it yet!  :o

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/8314/OLsjAT.jpg)

You may notice it has the starboard side window in place too, but that's the ONLY one I've managed to fit so far!
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Rheged on October 24, 2019, 12:42:26 am
I think "Zut alors!!!"  is all I can say at this point.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 24, 2019, 02:10:21 am
It's occurred to me that spray painting it, the INSIDE of the wing and fuselage I mean, isn't going to be all that straightforward...……….. :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: zenrat on October 24, 2019, 02:49:26 am
It's certainly a strange looking bird.
Well done with your perseverance.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 24, 2019, 06:20:20 am
It's occurred to me that spray painting it, the INSIDE of the wing and fuselage I mean, isn't going to be all that straightforward...……….. :banghead: :banghead:

Might be easier to brush paint it ?  :rolleyes: Note that "easier" used in this context is purely relative
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: loupgarou on October 24, 2019, 06:36:16 am
It's occurred to me that spray painting it, the INSIDE of the wing and fuselage I mean, isn't going to be all that straightforward...……….. :banghead: :banghead:

Might be easier to brush paint it ?  :rolleyes: Note that "easier" used in this context is purely relative

In "full-size" painting there are angled brushes to get in awkward places. I wonder if those exist also for modelling.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 24, 2019, 06:44:02 am

In "full-size" painting there are angled brushes to get in awkward places. I wonder if those exist also for modelling.

It's amazing the type of brushes that are available in artist's supply shops
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 29, 2019, 03:45:57 am
I woke from my slumbers this morning (sneezing immediately I might add :banghead:) to a clatter as the postie fired some stuff through my letter box.

I staggered downstairs to find not one, but TWO almost identical small packets, both from Australia!  :o

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/1892/pAPVj7.jpg)

When I opened them I found two almost identical packets inside too!  :o :o

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/8431/wmdn5v.jpg)

And inside them was a storehouse of Magic missiles, one set from Fred Zenrat and one from Old Wombat! Thanks a whole bunch gentlemen, you've made my day.  :thumbsup:

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/1780/WXPDiY.jpg)

And there's some more en route from Korea too, soon I'll have more Magics than the Armee de l'Air!
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 29, 2019, 03:49:16 am
Oh yeah Fred, if there were any spiders in the packet the darn things have escaped into Gloucestershire now, so I'm going ARMED in future!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: zenrat on October 29, 2019, 04:00:47 am
 :angel:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Old Wombat on October 29, 2019, 05:40:27 am
Glad to be of service, Kit! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 01, 2019, 02:10:54 pm
OK, I KNOW this is a Mach2 kit, but it's driving me NUTS! :banghead:

I've been working on the trailer/elevator thing and it has all sorts of railings around the front end plus some steps to get up there. A) the railings are SO thin they snap when I try to clean off the huge sprue gates that Mach2 use and B) each step of the stairs are separate pieces! So far I've lost a whole side worth of them so at best it'll end up with steps on only one side.

I looked and looked and couldn't find any clear stick on nails anywhere (I did get some VERY odd looks though, but met some very pretty girlies who tried to help me  ;D) so it looks like some cut and bent clear sheet will be needed for the under nose window.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: chrisonord on November 01, 2019, 02:56:52 pm
Looking forward to  seeing this one when  finished  Kit, unless of course  you  decide to  give it  a premature  hi speed maiden  flight at a wall ;D
Chris
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Flyer on November 01, 2019, 09:51:05 pm

I looked and looked and couldn't find any clear stick on nails anywhere (I did get some VERY odd looks though, but met some very pretty girlies who tried to help me  ;D) so it looks like some cut and bent clear sheet will be needed for the under nose window.

I've just moved house and found one of those left behind by the previous tennant, I thought 'hey look at that, a canopy' swmbo then told me it's a fake nail, regardless it's now in my spare part's box.  ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 01, 2019, 09:58:18 pm
I'm going to create a new category in the whiffies, or maybe, even seperate as its own thing perhaps? The HOG.  You get the HOG Award for taking on a pig of a kit; and we all thank you for Hopping On the Grenade.

Thanks again for hopping on this grenade for us!!
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 02, 2019, 03:10:09 am

I looked and looked and couldn't find any clear stick on nails anywhere (I did get some VERY odd looks though, but met some very pretty girlies who tried to help me  ;D) so it looks like some cut and bent clear sheet will be needed for the under nose window.

Yup, we've reached the age where we are considered "safe" and perhaps a little eccentric. Can lead to some interesting conversations  :angel:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Scotaidh on November 02, 2019, 05:13:05 am
OK, I KNOW this is a Mach2 kit, but it's driving me NUTS! :banghead:

I've been working on the trailer/elevator thing and it has all sorts of railings around the front end plus some steps to get up there. A) the railings are SO thin they snap when I try to clean off the huge sprue gates that Mach2 use and B) each step of the stairs are separate pieces! So far I've lost a whole side worth of them so at best it'll end up with steps on only one side.

I looked and looked and couldn't find any clear stick on nails anywhere (I did get some VERY odd looks though, but met some very pretty girlies who tried to help me  ;D) so it looks like some cut and bent clear sheet will be needed for the under nose window.

Amazon, Kit - has them by the long ton.

https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5 (https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2019, 05:33:17 am

Amazon, Kit - has them by the long ton.

https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5 (https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5)


Now they look the BUSINESS! A whole collection of canopies even!

Sadly that vendor won't ship to the UK, but it's given me some pointers, thanks so much.  :thumbsup:

In the meanwhile I've done the Colibri's floor window with a cut and trimmed piece of Thermoglaze and it doesn't look too bad, plus it's on the bottom of the aeroplane anyway.............  ;)

Pics later today I expect.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2019, 08:45:40 am
I've masked up the canopy, side windows and floor window (not many aircraft like THAT for sure!) and primed the Colibri.

Somehow I seem to have run out of Halfords grey primer (DISASTER :o) and the only primer I have is red, which I usually use for the underside of my model boats, so I pressed it into use on the Colibri. Before the colour coat there'll be a few PSR steps no doubt and by then I'll have re-stocked with the grey stuff.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Tophe on November 02, 2019, 10:03:44 am
Here's the Colibri standing on its four (level.....) legs.
Belated congratulations! Impressive! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2019, 10:15:51 am
Here's how far I've got so far. Sorry the red primer is almost the same shade as my duvet cover, think of it as a 'Stealth Colibri' at its present stage.  ;D

I gave up with the stupid Mach2 styrene railings for the erector/trailer so I made some up from brass wire and a fair amount of superglue. I've yet to try to do the stairways on either side, that's next I fear.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/2639/yTELcN.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 02, 2019, 02:00:38 pm
Looks good from here! Good luck with the stairs.  :wacko:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2019, 07:24:02 am
Another small envelope arrived in the post today, absolutely STUFFED with Magic missiles!  :thumbsup:

Thanks very much Greg, they'll do a treat.

I'm now cutting zillions of launch rails from styrene sheet, and I'll see how many Magics are practical to attach to the wing, but I reckon eight should work quite well.  ;D

I better look for a much larger exhaust as I reckon that Atar will need an upgrade as  well.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: kitnut617 on November 04, 2019, 10:32:50 am
Will you be able to have the Magics all the way around when it's in the trailer frame Kit ?
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2019, 03:39:09 pm
Who knows?  ;D

If not, the ones that are obstructed by the launcher can be on extendible frames, like the ones on an F-102 maybe?
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 04, 2019, 09:13:04 pm
Got the colour coat on now, Ford Stratos Silver again, with a black radome. I gave the whole airframe a blast of black over the red primer before masking off the radome, as I recalled that the people who use the metallic airbrush colours use black as a base coat and it's come out not looking too bad.

In the pic of the Colibri on its erector/launcher you can just see the undernose window too.

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/2055/0pQGlZ.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/4096/JCeWNc.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 05, 2019, 06:35:48 am
Coming along nicely Kit
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 06, 2019, 04:38:59 am
Just a few Magic missiles to arm the Colibri...………..  ;D

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9770/XQCYZ7.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Old Wombat on November 06, 2019, 05:06:12 am
 ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 06, 2019, 05:41:41 am

Amazon, Kit - has them by the long ton.

https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5 (https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5)


I found some on Amazon UK and bought a packet.

There's MILLIONS of them in there, so I've got enough canopies, of all sizes, to last me till the end of time!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: chrisonord on November 06, 2019, 05:42:58 am
Are those heat seaking RATO's or radar guided  ones ;D
Chris
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 06, 2019, 06:11:35 am

Amazon, Kit - has them by the long ton.

https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5 (https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5)


Kit for the life of me I can't get my brain around their use. Could you bring a couple to Telford so I can visualise it better ?
I found some on Amazon UK and bought a packet.

There's MILLIONS of them in there, so I've got enough canopies, of all sizes, to last me till the end of time!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 06, 2019, 08:56:42 am

Amazon, Kit - has them by the long ton.

https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5 (https://smile.amazon.com/TAROMAING-500pcs-Acrylic-Different-Artificial/dp/B077RVB7QX/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=clear+Acrylic+fingernails&qid=1572696924&sr=8-5)


I found some on Amazon UK and bought a packet.

There's MILLIONS of them in there, so I've got enough canopies, of all sizes, to last me till the end of time!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o


Kit for the life of me I can't get my brain around their use. Could you bring a couple to Telford so I can visualise it better ?


No problem. I have no idea why a woman would want CLEAR nails either, especially as they're SO clear it'd be difficult to see them!
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 06, 2019, 08:58:46 am

Are those heat seaking RATO's or radar guided  ones ;D


You should see how they look when they're in place around the wing! I've got half of them in place so far and they do look just like RATO boosters.

Perhaps the pilot could fire a few but not release the missile if he needed a bit more take-off thrust?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: zenrat on November 07, 2019, 03:23:57 am
Just a few Magic missiles to arm the Colibri...………..  ;D

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9770/XQCYZ7.jpg)

Two of the Magics have a more pointed nose.  I think they are the two I sent Kit from the Academy Super Etendard.  Now that could be Academy representing a different type of Magic (radar as opposed to heat seeker - or vice versa) or it could just be Academy not getting it quite right.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2019, 04:02:07 am

Two of the Magics have a more pointed nose.  I think they are the two I sent Kit from the Academy Super Etendard.  Now that could be Academy representing a different type of Magic (radar as opposed to heat seeker - or vice versa) or it could just be Academy not getting it quite right.


Very true. Most of the weapons load are infra-red homing versions, but bearing in mind the likely targets, the others home onto traces of vodka in the atmosphere and follow it unerringly to its source...……. ;)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 07, 2019, 06:40:05 am
Cheers Kit  :thumbsup:


Very true. Most of the weapons load are infra-red homing versions, but bearing in mind the likely targets, the others home onto traces of vodka in the atmosphere and follow it unerringly to its source...……. ;)

 ;D I watched Dr Strangelove again the other night and that reminds me of a quote by the "loony" USAF Commander  ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Tophe on November 07, 2019, 06:47:48 am
Got the colour coat on now, Ford Stratos Silver again, with a black radome.
In the pic of the Colibri on its erector/launcher you can just see the undernose window too.
Belated congratulations again. Lovely with the canopy on... :wub:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2019, 07:56:47 am
Having got four Magics on the upper half of the wing, I turned the model upside down to see how to fit the other four on the lower half. Sadly it won't work as the lowest Magics foul the erector/launcher so it looks like the Colibri will only be able to carry six missiles.  :banghead:

But I found this while looking for info on the original Colioptere :-

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/7132/oMboYj.jpg)

That was a project for an service version of the original aircraft, and look where the missiles are located.  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: kitnut617 on November 07, 2019, 09:17:45 am
Interesting find Kit  :thumbsup: and those missiles look like very early Sparrows
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2019, 10:17:43 am

Interesting find Kit  :thumbsup: and those missiles look like very early Sparrows


They're pretty big, aren't they?

Probably a French equivalent to a Sparrow, but there's no obvious radar set for the missiles to 'ride in' on as far as I can see. The only other French missile I know is the Matra 430, but that's a short, stubby thing. I did think of using a couple of them on the Colibri but they're far too wide.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 07, 2019, 11:58:22 pm
As is almost normal for me at this time of year almost every non-sleeping hour is spent on or near my model bench!  :banghead:

At LAST I bent and glued the last bit of wire for the steps on the erector/launcher and rapidly applied a coat of primer. Colour coat, only one of them, goes on later this morning. The aircraft bit has had it's last paint details added and a coat of Klear applied, and the very few decals will be applied in an hour or so.

And then I'll just have enough time to tidy the place up a bit before I head off north toward my youngest daughter's place before Telford tomorrow. (Did you know she was the RAF's Best Air...…………………………..oh, you did. OK.)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Weaver on November 08, 2019, 12:42:15 am
Just a few Magic missiles to arm the Colibri...………..  ;D

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img922/9770/XQCYZ7.jpg)

Two of the Magics have a more pointed nose.  I think they are the two I sent Kit from the Academy Super Etendard.  Now that could be Academy representing a different type of Magic (radar as opposed to heat seeker - or vice versa) or it could just be Academy not getting it quite right.

I think the latter - as far as I know, there is no radar version of the R550 Magic.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2019, 01:53:53 am

Two of the Magics have a more pointed nose.  I think they are the two I sent Kit from the Academy Super Etendard.  Now that could be Academy representing a different type of Magic (radar as opposed to heat seeker - or vice versa) or it could just be Academy not getting it quite right.

I think the latter - as far as I know, there is no radar version of the R550 Magic.


But this is WhiffWorld……………….  ;) ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: zenrat on November 08, 2019, 02:03:52 am
Maybe they truely are magic and there is an imp in the nose steering the thing and a small dragon at the back providing the thrust?

 <_<
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2019, 02:19:47 am

Maybe they truely are magic and there is an imp in the nose steering the thing and a small dragon at the back providing the thrust?

 <_<


They're French so ANYthing is possible.  ;)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Tophe on November 08, 2019, 02:28:56 am
as far as I know, there is no radar version of the R550 Magic.
But this is WhiffWorld……………….  ;) ;D
Congratulations Kit for this dreamy state of mind, I approve that, thanks! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2019, 02:47:54 am
And here's the airborne part of the model done and dusted.

The paint on the erector/launcher is still drying...…………

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/9519/YfLue1.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Tophe on November 08, 2019, 03:05:47 am
It is funny that, contrary to your siganture word "Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings", this model has a tiny span... ;D
But maybe this was the reason for its not being ordered into mass production. :unsure:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: zenrat on November 08, 2019, 03:12:33 am
Could you fit some missiles inside the lower part of the wing?
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2019, 03:36:49 am

Could you fit some missiles inside the lower part of the wing?


Believe me, if I could get in there I would have.  ;D

It was difficult enough PAINTING the inside, let alone gluing bits in there.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 08, 2019, 04:37:54 am
And here's the whole shebang, with the varnish on the erector/launcher not exactly dry, but what the hell.  ;D

(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img921/5141/YKM8Ja.jpg)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Old Wombat on November 08, 2019, 05:15:50 am
Nice one! She be loaded for Bear! ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Weaver on November 08, 2019, 06:19:14 am

Two of the Magics have a more pointed nose.  I think they are the two I sent Kit from the Academy Super Etendard.  Now that could be Academy representing a different type of Magic (radar as opposed to heat seeker - or vice versa) or it could just be Academy not getting it quite right.

I think the latter - as far as I know, there is no radar version of the R550 Magic.


But this is WhiffWorld……………….  ;) ;D

Well indeed, and there was an SARH version of the Sidewinder (AIM-9C). It wasn't very good, but there's nothing that stops the French from copying a bad idea...

For the backstory, remember that, in the real world, the Magic didn't enter service until 1976.

It looks great Kit - begging for a diorama base (not before tomorrow though...). :thumbsup:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: chrisonord on November 08, 2019, 07:53:00 am
That looks Bob on that Kit, it really does  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Scotaidh on November 08, 2019, 08:11:35 am
It is funny that, contrary to your siganture word "Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings", this model has a tiny span... ;D
But maybe this was the reason for its not being ordered into mass production. :unsure:

I thought this, too, Tophe - whilst appreciating the irony of the whole situation.  Possibly Kit is showing us that he's a well-rounded modeler, able to build both long and short wings?  ;)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Old Wombat on November 08, 2019, 08:52:00 am
Actually, if you think about it from slightly left-field, the Colibri has one infinitely long wing, as it has no beginning & no end. :o

Therefore, Kit should stop here, as it will prove impossible to beat this record. ;)
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: nighthunter on November 08, 2019, 09:27:25 am
Nice one! She be loaded for Bear! ;D :thumbsup:
I see what you did there, lol! :wacko: ;D
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 13, 2019, 07:22:53 am
Maybe they truely are magic and there is an imp in the nose steering the thing and a small dragon at the back providing the thrust?

 <_<

As fitted to aircraft of the Ankh Morporkian Air Force ?  :angel:
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: Snowtrooper on November 13, 2019, 07:34:44 am
I hope the vertical bars on the sides of the launch cradle fold down upon launch, otherwise they are going rip off not only the lower missile rails but two of the plane's fins too... :o
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 13, 2019, 08:15:09 am

I hope the vertical bars on the sides of the launch cradle fold down upon launch, otherwise they are going rip off not only the lower missile rails but two of the plane's fins too... :o


Actually it doesn't matter as the erector/launcher tips the Colibri back onto its own wheels and then drives away. Then the Colibri launches itself, free of any other structure.
Title: Re: SNECMA Colibri (that's 'Hummingbird' in French....)
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 17, 2019, 04:46:12 pm
Really challenging project!
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: