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Picture Post => Current and Finished Projects => Warships and Ships => Topic started by: seadude on July 28, 2012, 08:47:32 pm

Title: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 28, 2012, 08:47:32 pm
EDIT: This thread was originally about a 1/700 amphibious hospital ship model. That project has been discontinued per Post # 18 on Page 2 of this thread. This thread has now been changed to discuss a 1/350 scale amphibious hospital ship starting with Post #'s 20/21 on Page 2.


As mentioned in this thread:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35519.0.html
........I have an idea to turn a amphibious assault ship into a hospital ship for humanitarian/disaster relief. I have started the build process a few days ago with a 1/700 USS Kearsarge kit, and I hope to have some in-progress pics on Weds. or Thurs.
One thing I'm not really keen on is the way hospital ships have so much white. I was thinking of the following:
Flight deck: Dark Gray
Deck Tractors: Yellow
Smokestack Funnels: Black
Radar Masts: Light or Medium Gray
Life Raft Canisters: I know this'll sound crazy, but I was thinking of painting them some type of orange color similar to the orange color that some lifeboats have. White canisters against a white hull just makes them harder to see.

Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on July 29, 2012, 04:22:46 pm
Don't forget some modern lifeboats like the cruise ships and others carry. Orange top and bottom. That would add a little more color. I'm going for a Coast Guard version with the orange red stripe on the sides.
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 29, 2012, 07:40:18 pm
Don't forget some modern lifeboats like the cruise ships and others carry. Orange top and bottom. That would add a little more color. I'm going for a Coast Guard version with the orange red stripe on the sides.

I don't have any modern lifeboats. All I got in my spares box is an assortment of leftover WWII era lifeboats. And besides, I can't add any extra lifeboats as there's no good place to put them on or around an amphib ship, and I have no davits for them.
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Thorvic on July 29, 2012, 11:57:51 pm
You could cahnge the funnels to Buff colour with black Funnel caps and paint the Radar masts and Radar black in line with the funnel caps (hides the soot. The rest sounds pretty good, especially the dayglo life raft canisters.

One thing to consider which has been installed in the UK CVS carriers is emergeny chutes, that have airliner style inflatable escape chutes on the deck edge so crew can slide into the sea rather than jumping off the deck edge.

Regarding the flight deck don't forget to put red cross on a white back ground at one end so it can be identified as a Hospital ship from above
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on July 30, 2012, 08:44:17 pm
You could cahnge the funnels to Buff colour with black Funnel caps and paint the Radar masts and Radar black in line with the funnel caps (hides the soot. The rest sounds pretty good, especially the dayglo life raft canisters.

One thing to consider which has been installed in the UK CVS carriers is emergeny chutes, that have airliner style inflatable escape chutes on the deck edge so crew can slide into the sea rather than jumping off the deck edge.

Regarding the flight deck don't forget to put red cross on a white back ground at one end so it can be identified as a Hospital ship from above
Good ideas!
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 30, 2012, 09:47:34 pm
Looking at the Kearsarge's funnels (I notice she has 2), they ain't exactly big & the superstructure where they are is eminently suitable for a couple of green stripes & big red crosses.

Any domed radars you are keeping could be done in "radome tan".

All lifeboats & life-rafts/canisters should be either dayglo orange or yellow & there should be many more of them than are usual carried (especially boats) - injured people don't swim so well.
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 31, 2012, 05:29:37 pm
Looking at the Kearsarge's funnels (I notice she has 2), they ain't exactly big & the superstructure where they are is eminently suitable for a couple of green stripes & big red crosses.

Any domed radars you are keeping could be done in "radome tan".

All lifeboats & life-rafts/canisters should be either dayglo orange or yellow & there should be many more of them than are usual carried (especially boats) - injured people don't swim so well.

See my Post # 2 further above.
In a real life situation if a hospital ship were to be attacked, the extra amount of lifeboats would be pointless. On a hospital ship, you can't save a lot of the wounded because a lot of them might be in hospital beds or incapacitated in some other way where you can't save them and get them to a lifeboat. The United States Hospital Ships Mercy and Comfort have a good quantity of lifeboats. But the only people that could use them are the crew and the wounded who were still capable of making it to a lifeboat. In a worst case scenario, A lot of wounded would end up going down with the ship. You can't save everybody.
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 31, 2012, 06:05:56 pm
Possibly not, seadude, but when I did nursing one of the most regular training exercises the hospital had was emergency evacuations, where the entire hospital was emptied (in theory, not in practice, you don't risk real patients in a practice). The hospital was designed, internally, to facilitate this & staff were trained for it.

Same on a hospital ship: Put the life-boats where they can be got to; design the interior of the ship & life-boat access to facilitate rapid evacuation of patients; keep your staff up to date on their emergency evac procedures. Maybe you can't save everybody but you can try & I, for one, would rather say "I tried & failed" than "I left them behind because there weren't enough boats" (ships don't always sink in minutes, they sometimes take hours to die).

Training & practice, dude, & miracles can happen.

(If you've got the boats! ;) )

 :cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 31, 2012, 06:14:49 pm
But I still have no good places around the outer perimeter/circumference of the amphib ship to put any extra lifeboats. And I have no extra davits either. I can add plenty of liferaft canisters, but boats isn't an option.
This is a pic of the amphib ship that I have a model of that I'm modifying.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/USS_Kearsarge_LHD-3.jpg
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 31, 2012, 08:08:32 pm
Didn't say it'd be easy, man! ;)

Seriously, though, I couldn't do it, so I'm not really saying you should. This is supposed to be fun! ;D

What I was proposing, I suppose, was what I would be looking for in a purpose built ship. I'd also be looking for purpose built life-boats, too!
In the RW (& in Whif World ? ) there haven't been any such purpose built vessels, even those which claim to be in RW are really modified passenger liners.

So, I say, go with the best compromise that you feel happy with (& more rafts is better than nothing). :thumbsup:

 :cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on July 31, 2012, 08:26:05 pm
Here's some examples of lifeboat storage. These davits must telescope out to clear the side of the hull. How about some sponsons to hold the lifeboat under partial cover?
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/kerick214/relief%20ship/800px-Sapphire_Princess_Humongous_Ship_V.jpg)
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/kerick214/relief%20ship/800px-Brosen_lifeboats_scandinavia.jpg)
Here's the fall away style. When the release is triped the lifeboat slides down the rails straight into the water.
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/kerick214/relief%20ship/800px-CCNI_Magallanes_mg_5885.jpg)
Isn't one of the Kearsarge boats hanging from under the edge of the flight deck? What if you did that the length of the ship?
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 01, 2012, 02:16:15 pm
I found some emergency and Red Cross decals here:
http://www.coloradodecals.com/pesquisai.asp?palavra=ambulance&submit=Pesquisa
Which would look better on a 1/700 hospital ship: 1/43 scale or 1/24?
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 01, 2012, 06:34:07 pm
Need opinions on my Post # 11 above. ;)

In other news........

A few sample in-progress pics. I don't have a lot of good lifeboats to use from my spares box. Most of what I have is too small or not in scale, etc. and looks crappy. I could only salvage about 9 boats that looked decent enough to add to the sides of my model as shown in pics further below.

(Below) The left side of the ship. I removed the crappy looking boat launch rails that would normally be used from the kit and put in place instead a nicer looking 1/700 sponson from an aircraft carrier kit to hold the motor launch. I also added a few small balconies along the side of the ship. The two "trusses", for lack of a better word, on the right side were scratchbuilt to hold two more large lifeboats.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC02418.jpg)

(Below) Right side of ship. Another 1/700 sponson from an aircraft carrier kit to hold more motor boat launches. Also added a few more small balconies. The white balcony near the back will be used for RHIB boats.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC02426.jpg)

(Below) Left side of ship showing where orange colored lifeboats and other launches will go.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC02429.jpg)

(Below) Right side of ship showing where more lifeboats and launches will go.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC02431.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Mossie on August 02, 2012, 03:43:44 am
I found some emergency and Red Cross decals here:
http://www.coloradodecals.com/pesquisai.asp?palavra=ambulance&submit=Pesquisa
Which would look better on a 1/700 hospital ship: 1/43 scale or 1/24?

It all depends on the size of the decals.  My guess in trying to roughly work out the size of the 1/700 Keasarge and ambulance models in those two scales is that 1/24 would probably work better.

Another option is to print your own onto decal paper (easy as the straight lines won't show any sign of pixelation).  Another is to cut out a mask and paint them on, again, fairly straight forward.  Both these options mean you can make the crosses exactly the size you want.

One thought for something a little different, maybe you could adorn it with the Red Crescent as well if it's operating in Middle Eastern waters?  Something a little different that I've not seen on pictures of Hospital ships, but you often see on ambulances and aircraft.  It's simpler than it looks to create, it's just an offset circle within a larger one.
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on August 18, 2012, 08:07:42 pm
So what's happening my friend?
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on November 11, 2012, 08:21:58 pm
Sorry I haven't gotten around to posting in this thread more, but work at my job is keeping me very busy and there's little time for modeling when I get home. This project is on hold until next year. Sorry for the inconvenience, folks.
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on November 13, 2012, 02:24:24 am
No problem, real life comes first
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: JoeP on November 13, 2012, 04:09:44 am
Agreed - this is a hobby, not a career. Most of us have had those times in our lives.
Do make certain work doesn't rule your life, please!
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 02, 2013, 05:25:06 pm
Just a small note to say that I may be ditching this project. I still want to do it, but maybe not in 1/700 scale. If I have the money during tax refund time, I want to buy the bigger 1/350 USS Wasp amphibious assault ship model kit and convert that instead. 1/350 is bigger and allows for more detail. 1/700 is too small for my eyes as I already am getting cataracts.
If I can't get the bigger Wasp kit from tax refunds this Spring, then I'll go back to building the 1/700 kit I started.
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on February 02, 2013, 07:03:56 pm
Work out the overall plan in 1/700 then go big!
Title: Re: 1/700 Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on April 04, 2013, 03:00:33 pm
UPDATE!  :thumbsup:

I just bought the 1/350 Gallery Models USS Wasp kit last night as an early birthday present to myself.  :party:  :drink: It should arrive sometime next week. It will most likely be a long time before I build it as I have to finish a friend's Enterprise aircraft carrier first.

Since I'm doing a what-if amphib hospital ship, I need to ask the following: What would I NOT add to this kit? What parts would not be needed on a hospital ship? For anybody who has built the Wasp before, what parts from the box would I not need? Please be specific and list part #'s if you can. A review of the kit can be found here:
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/amphib/350-lhd1-mrc/mrc-review.html
A sample of another modeler's build:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/lhd/350-pvb/pvb-index.html
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 02, 2013, 03:56:56 pm
I'm back!  ;D  I'm still doing research and gathering resources for this next big project of mine, and if everything works out, I hope to start on it sometime this Fall.

But first, a few questions and pictures. ;) One major thing I've been thinking about is the ship's boats. The U.S. Navy MERCY class hospital ship has roughly 10 lifeboats, 3-6 RHIB's, 2-3 personnel/utility boats, and numerous liferafts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:090411-A-1786S-088_-_USNS_Comfort_%28T-AH-20%29_in_Hati.jpg
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/090411-A-1786S-088_-_USNS_Comfort_%28T-AH-20%29_in_Hati.jpg/800px-090411-A-1786S-088_-_USNS_Comfort_%28T-AH-20%29_in_Hati.jpg)

Now for an LHD amphibious hospital ship I'm making, large amounts of cargo and patients can be recieved via the well deck by LCAC, LCM, LCU, etc.  But what about having regular boats for transfers, emergencies, etc.? How many should I have and where should I put them?
* I've got about 12 different boats as shown in Pic # 1.
* Pic # 2 shows the balconies/sponsons and the limited davits/cranes I have to put on the sides of the ship's hull.
* Pic #'s 3 and 4 show possible locations (Red boxes) where I was thinking of putting extra balconies/sponsons along the sides of the hull for extra small boats.
* Normally, the rear of an LHD above the well deck gate is where a Seasparrow launcher and 2 CIWS's are located. I was thinking of using this area instead to put some RHIB's and ship's boats.
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/lhd/350-pvb/lhd1-36.jpg
* All other pics show possible locations for boats, cranes, etc.
* The worst thing about all this is that I don't have enough davits and cranes to put near all the boats. :(

Pic # 1
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04039.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04039.jpg.html)

Pic # 2
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04040.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04040.jpg.html)

Pic #'s 3 and 4
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b2.jpg.html)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b1.jpg.html)

All other pics:
Pic # 5
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04041.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04041.jpg.html)

Pic # 6
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04042.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04042.jpg.html)

Pic # 7
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04043.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04043.jpg.html)

Pic # 8
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04044.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04044.jpg.html)

Pic # 9
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04046.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04046.jpg.html)

Pic # 10
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04047.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04047.jpg.html)

Pic # 11
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04049.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04049.jpg.html)

Pic # 12
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04050.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04050.jpg.html)

Pic # 13
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04051.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04051.jpg.html)

Pic # 14
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04052.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04052.jpg.html)

Pic # 15
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04048.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04048.jpg.html)

Pic # 16
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04045.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04045.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on September 02, 2013, 07:09:18 pm
Two thoughts that could be of use to you. First is to place as many boats within reach of the deck crane as possible build a rack system to stack the boats. You could double the number this way. Second is when I was looking at lifeboats for a project of mine I came across boats that were stored under a sponson and lowered by winches built into the sponson. People entered and exited the boat at the same level it was stored at.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 02, 2013, 08:17:38 pm
Hi, seadude! :thumbsup:

You want to keep your small boats, especially the RHIB's, away from the propellor wash. So, side mounted balconies a little forward of the stern would be OK for the RHIB's (cut-away alcoves in the hull would be better, keeping them out of the worst of rough seas, but you could build angled splash/sea barriers to do that). The larger & less manoeuvrable boats would go in line with the superstructure, either in davits along the deck next to it (can you scratch-build some?) plus a couple behind the superstructure near the crane (remembering that the crane is also used for lifting supplies & needs some clear deck to put them on) or, similar to kerick's suggestion, put them in cradles along the hull under the flight deck on both sides, with winches on extendable tracks to lift them & move them clear of the cradles (couple of tiny I-beams or, at that scale, a couple of pieces of square/rectangular rod & you're done), they can be accessed via walkways (or hatches?) next to them. Cradle systems are preferred because they mean that the cables, pulleys & winches aren't constantly under strain (under strain they wear out faster) & they are easier to maintain (as maintenance can be done to both the lowering system & the boat with it still in the cradle (rather than having to drop the boat into the water or lift it onto the deck to do maintenance on the lowering system).

:cheers:

Guy

Quick question for kerick: Was that sponson system a shipboard, or an oil rig evacuation system?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 03, 2013, 08:27:50 am
I did find these pics, but if I put boats and support equipment/structures on the hull similar to these pics, I think only the RHIB's and small motor whaleboats might be good for this purpose. The larger 2 utility boats and Captain's gig/launches will need some other spots, davits, or something else.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8e/US_Navy_050621-N-8053S-014_Members_of_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Wasp_%28LHD_1%29_lowers_the_Captain%27s_Gig_for_small_boat_exercises.jpg/428px-US_Navy_050621-N-8053S-014_Members_of_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Wasp_%28LHD_1%29_lowers_the_Captain%27s_Gig_for_small_boat_exercises.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/US_Navy_040425-N-9742R-001_Airman_Adam_High%2C_from_Roanoke_Rapids%2C_N.C.%2C_hauls_a_motor_whaleboat_and_the_Captain%27s_Gig%2C_in_the_hanger_bay_aboard_USS_Enterprise_%28CVN_65%29.jpg/428px-thumbnail.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/US_Navy_040802-N-8146B-004_Sailors_assigned_to_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Boxer_%28LHD_4%29%2C_ease_the_Captain%27s_Gig_into_the_water_below.jpg/428px-US_Navy_040802-N-8146B-004_Sailors_assigned_to_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Boxer_%28LHD_4%29%2C_ease_the_Captain%27s_Gig_into_the_water_below.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/US_Navy_020812-N-8590G-001_Sailors_raise_the_captain%27s_gig.jpg/800px-US_Navy_020812-N-8590G-001_Sailors_raise_the_captain%27s_gig.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 03, 2013, 09:12:51 am
Well, those photo's answered the question to kerick... So, it's all good, dude, I know now!

I notice one of those boats was the captains gig!

I'd be inclined to put your 4 RHIB's on 2 balconies (one either side) near the forward red markers you have towards the stern. I'd then put your 4 lifeboats/whalers forward of the port lift & just aft of the crane (on both sides) with the gig & launch just aft of the 1st two whalers & the utility boats just forward of the aft whalers (all on cradles). Supplemental to these boats I'd put a fair number (12-18?) life-raft cannisters around the edge of the deck.

But then I have been accused of being overly cautious at times..... Other times just plain rash, but I'm figuring this probably isn't one of them.

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 03, 2013, 12:51:27 pm
Here's a better visualisation (See pic further below) of where I was thinking of putting boats using the Wasp model kit color guide sheet for reference.
* Red triangle represents large crane for handling boats/cargo.
* Green lines represent the 2 large utility boats sitting on deck in front of superstructure.
* Blue lines represent all other possible locations for RHIB's and smaller whaleboats on balconies/sponsons or cradles.
* Yellow lines represent possible locations for boats to sit on deck alongside starboard side of superstructure.
* Orange lines represent locations of boats for the real Wasp and the actual model kit.

If anybody has a better idea for placement of boats and the number of them I should use, you can copy this pic and photoshop other possibilities that I could consider.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/lhdguide.jpg


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 03, 2013, 07:28:57 pm
OK! Getting a better idea of the sizing against the hull I've made a few alterations to my idea.

red = crane & RHIB balcony structures
dk blue = captain's gig
lt blue = launch
yellow = whalers/lifeboats
green = utility boats
purple = RHIB's
orange = life-raft cannisters

(http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/GPlachy/lhdguide1_zps1d46a5cd.jpg)

Hope the ideas help!

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 03, 2013, 08:18:15 pm
@Old Wombat:  Your changes look pretty good in your pic, but there's a few more I'd like to make. ;)
* I think I like the red areas for the RHIB's. I may go with that.
* The dark blue area on the starboard side is a bad idea as it is next to too many access ports, hatches, and is below the refueling area.
* I think the light blue area on the port side should stay where the motor launch is originally for the real Wasp.
* The starboard side yellow areas seem fairly ok, but I'm not keen on the port side yellow areas.
* Green areas for utility boats are ok.
* Purple areas for RHIB's seem ok.
* I'm not worried about all the orange areas for liferafts. Those I can work on later.

All in all, it's not too bad. Just the light blue, dark blue, and yellow areas might need changing. I'll have to give more thought to those areas and then get back to you later, maybe with another drawing.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 03, 2013, 11:43:01 pm
That's cool, dude! :mellow:

It's all about what makes you happy, I'm just chucking ideas out there for you to bounce off. :thumbsup:

I have a thing for life-rafts because they're large-volume people carriers utilising very little shipboard space &, as this is going to be a hospital ship, it's likely, should there be a need to abandon ship, that as many of the non-walking-wounded as possible would be put in the rigid-hull boats & the (larger number of) walking-wounded & most of the crew would take to the life-rafts.

:cheers:

Guy

Edit: Just another thought. If you have the lifeboats & launch/gig near the hatches & have a rail system under the flight deck overhang, you can then use the hatches to evacuate the non-walking-wounded directly into the boats before they are lowered to the water, rather than having to drop them down to boats bobbing around in the waves. It shouldn't be too hard to move the refueling area fore or aft a bit. How that might be achieved, I'm not too sure, but it is an idea. ;)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 04, 2013, 08:07:12 am
Getting there.  :thumbsup: Did a little tweaking and here's what I came up with:

* Red = crane
* Green = large utility boats
* Purple = Balconies/sponsons for extra RHIB's
* Light blue = Captain's gig and motor launch.
* Yellow = Other lifeboats/whaleboats
* Orange = Optional extra area for another boat.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b4.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/b4.jpg.html)

Now, on to the tough stuff........ :banghead:  Even though construction won't start on this project for quite a while, I'd like to get early opinions on what electronics and radars I should keep and what I should get rid of. What should and shouldn't a hospital ship have? Using the sample instruction pics below, please list what part numbers I should keep, and what part numbers to not use. A list of the WASP class specs:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/lhd-1-specs.htm

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/e1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/e1.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/e2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/e2.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/e3.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/e3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 04, 2013, 09:31:06 am
It's a hospital ship. So, are you losing all weapon systems or are you retaining purely self-defence systems, & are they only passive or are you including active systems? (Remembering some anti-shipping weapons use active weapons-targetting systems as a lock-on beacon in passive approach mode.)

Standard navigation radar is, obviously, a must & I'd definitely retain the AN/SLQ-49 Chaff Bouys, MK-36 Chaff Launcher & AN/SLQ-25 NIXIE Towed Torpedo Countermeasures systems as passive defence systems. In this configuration, either the AN/SLQ-32(V)2 or AN/SLQ-32(V)3 Electronic Warfare (EW) system, too.

If you're going with active defence systems I'd lose the Sea Sparrows & rely on CIWS's, for example 4 x 20mm Mk 15 Phalanx &/or 4 x 30mm Goalpost systems. Plainly all-CIWS's is not an optimal defence package but they are purely self-defence systems, which means they should be mildly OK under the Geneva Conventions. In this configuration, definitely the AN/SLQ-32(V)3 Electronic Warfare (EW) system.

Oh, & you'll want an air-search radar to manage air traffic to & from the flight deck.

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on September 04, 2013, 10:13:41 am
Hi, seadude! :thumbsup:

You want to keep your small boats, especially the RHIB's, away from the propellor wash. So, side mounted balconies a little forward of the stern would be OK for the RHIB's (cut-away alcoves in the hull would be better, keeping them out of the worst of rough seas, but you could build angled splash/sea barriers to do that). The larger & less manoeuvrable boats would go in line with the superstructure, either in davits along the deck next to it (can you scratch-build some?) plus a couple behind the superstructure near the crane (remembering that the crane is also used for lifting supplies & needs some clear deck to put them on) or, similar to kerick's suggestion, put them in cradles along the hull under the flight deck on both sides, with winches on extendable tracks to lift them & move them clear of the cradles (couple of tiny I-beams or, at that scale, a couple of pieces of square/rectangular rod & you're done), they can be accessed via walkways (or hatches?) next to them. Cradle systems are preferred because they mean that the cables, pulleys & winches aren't constantly under strain (under strain they wear out faster) & they are easier to maintain (as maintenance can be done to both the lowering system & the boat with it still in the cradle (rather than having to drop the boat into the water or lift it onto the deck to do maintenance on the lowering system).

:cheers:

The system I was looking at was on a cruise ship. Don't forget you could add another crane.

Guy

Quick question for kerick: Was that sponson system a shipboard, or an oil rig evacuation system?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on September 04, 2013, 02:02:35 pm
I like it any way you look at it ! I like having boats hidden inside, or under sponsons. But at 350 scale seeing as much out in the open would also be good....

 :tornado:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 04, 2013, 08:47:23 pm
It's a hospital ship. So, are you losing all weapon systems or are you retaining purely self-defence systems, & are they only passive or are you including active systems? (Remembering some anti-shipping weapons use active weapons-targetting systems as a lock-on beacon in passive approach mode.)

Standard navigation radar is, obviously, a must & I'd definitely retain the AN/SLQ-49 Chaff Bouys, MK-36 Chaff Launcher & AN/SLQ-25 NIXIE Towed Torpedo Countermeasures systems as passive defence systems. In this configuration, either the AN/SLQ-32(V)2 or AN/SLQ-32(V)3 Electronic Warfare (EW) system, too.

If you're going with active defence systems I'd lose the Sea Sparrows & rely on CIWS's, for example 4 x 20mm Mk 15 Phalanx &/or 4 x 30mm Goalpost systems. Plainly all-CIWS's is not an optimal defence package but they are purely self-defence systems, which means they should be mildly OK under the Geneva Conventions. In this configuration, definitely the AN/SLQ-32(V)3 Electronic Warfare (EW) system.

Oh, & you'll want an air-search radar to manage air traffic to & from the flight deck.

:cheers:

Guy

You raise some interesting questions. From what I've read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_ship
........there is a brief sentence near the bottom that reads:
Quote
Armed vessels are disqualified from protection as a hospital ship under international law.

But, does that refer to "offensive" armament, or "defensive" armament, or both? I would tend to think it means both. But what if a hospital ship has been boarded by hostile forces? What then? Certainly the crew should have small arms to defend itself?
I am most likely not going to put ANY armaments, offensive or defensive, on my model ship. I "might" put the pedestal and gun shields in various locations for .50 cal guns, but not add the actual guns themselves. I want to build this model as "technically believeable" as possible and stick to international laws, i.e. no armaments.

As far as radars and electronic systems go, I would probably keep the air search, surface search, and navigation radars. I doubt a hospital ship would need an ECM system and chaff launchers. I don't know if "defensive armaments" like NIXIE, chaff, SLQ-32, etc. would disqualify a hospital from protection under international law. I'm guessing they would because the RFA Argus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFA_Argus_%28A135%29
.......has defensive armament and is not protected from international law per this:
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The British Royal Fleet Auxiliary ship RFA Argus would be a hospital ship were it not for its armaments.

I like it any way you look at it ! I like having boats hidden inside, or under sponsons. But at 350 scale seeing as much out in the open would also be good....


Putting extra boats inside might be nice, but in a real world situation, it's not practical as you have to move the boats to an exterior position which adds extra time.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 05, 2013, 01:36:04 am
'Armament' means what it says, there's no distinction between offensive or defensive.

If you're building a hospital ship and expecting it to be protected under the various international agreements you'll have put all the 'bang' bits ashore before she sails.

We've had this issue aired on here about 2 years ago already.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 05, 2013, 06:11:14 am
Kit, do you know if chaff & NIXIE count as "weapons" or are they allowable as passive defensive measures? :-\

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: MikeD on September 05, 2013, 07:32:42 am
Kit, do you know if chaff & NIXIE count as "weapons" or are they allowable as passive defensive measures? :-\

:cheers:

Guy

I'd assume not since they don't kill anyone (unless you drop them on someone, I suppose).

Weapons would only be something that goes bang, rather than things like chaff, flares and nixies which are just decoys.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 05, 2013, 08:07:37 am
From Wikipedia article on RFA Argus;
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Armament:    2 × Oerlikon 20 mm/85 KAA on GAM-BO1 mountings
                    4 × 7.62mm GPMGs
                    Seagnat chaff launchers

The Oerlikons & GPMG's are obviously weapons & cut her out of protected status but is the Seagnat considered a weapon for hospital ship classification?

And, seadude; No, the ship can't have small-arms on board & be called a protected hospital ship, just as an army Field Hospital, etc., can't have the injured troops weapons (not even locked in cabinets) & maintain its protected status. Oh, & the AN/SLQ-32(V)2 EW system is, from my understanding of the Global Security & Wiki write-ups, principally an attack warning system with either no or limited active-defence capabilities.

Even if you can't normally fit the weapons, I'd fit the mounts & support systems for the CIWS's, just in case you end up operating in a conflict where the enemy has the ability to attack your ship & has no qualms about contravening the Geneva Conventions & doing so, either by missile attack or boarding party, & you have the need to fit them.

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on September 05, 2013, 09:02:53 am
I like Guy's idea....makes sense to me

Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 05, 2013, 03:48:12 pm
Ok, here's a good question......or riddle? If a hospital ship is not supposed to have any armaments of any kind, not even small arms to defend itself and the crew/patients, lest it violate international laws, then how do you explain the MERCY class hospital ship having an armory on board as shown in these two pics?
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/t-ah-19-line3.gif
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/tah-19-image6.gif
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 05, 2013, 08:54:43 pm
Because, like HMS Argus mentioned above, it's not a 'real' hospital ship, and shouldn't carry the red crosses on the hull to signify it as such.

But we're probably talking about the USA playing fast and loose with the rules, what a surprise........
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: MikeD on September 05, 2013, 10:33:46 pm
Anyone know why hospital ships aren't allowed self defence weapons when land based medics (ie RAMC and even RAChD) are allowed to be armed to protect themselves and their patients?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 05, 2013, 10:42:57 pm
My understanding is that they're not but that combat medics bypass the rules for practicality in a combat environment where soldiers (on both sides) may be overcome by the "heat of the moment" & ignore the rules.


I'm currently reading a book on the battle for Papua New Guinea & the medical personnel (including stretcher bearers) were not armed. Unfortunately, most, if not all, of the medical personnel & wounded left behind, unarmed in accordance with the GC's, who were found by the Japanese were tortured &/or murdered.

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 06, 2013, 08:38:18 am
In an earlier post somewhere, I had made the suggestion of putting extra boats and cranes at the rear of the LHD above the well deck gate where the Phalanx's and Seasparrow launcher originally are. But Old Wombat mentioned this would probably be a bad idea.
The below picture was my original idea. But if I don't put boats there, then what? Anybody got ideas for what I should use the back end for?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04054.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04054.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 06, 2013, 02:44:55 pm

I'm currently reading a book on the battle for Papua New Guinea & the medical personnel (including stretcher bearers) were not armed. Unfortunately, most, if not all, of the medical personnel & wounded left behind, unarmed in accordance with the GC's, who were found by the Japanese were tortured &/or murdered.


The WWII Japanese took no notice whatsoever about the GC as far as I could see. My uncle, a Major in the 3rd Carbineers with flame throwing Lees and Grants, had no compunction in also ignoring the GC when it came to cooking them........
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 06, 2013, 08:05:38 pm

I'm currently reading a book on the battle for Papua New Guinea & the medical personnel (including stretcher bearers) were not armed. Unfortunately, most, if not all, of the medical personnel & wounded left behind, unarmed in accordance with the GC's, who were found by the Japanese were tortured &/or murdered.


The WWII Japanese took no notice whatsoever about the GC as far as I could see. My uncle, a Major in the 3rd Carbineers with flame throwing Lees and Grants, had no compunction in also ignoring the GC when it came to cooking them........

One reaps what one sows... but, then, the Japanese didn't expect any quarter to begin with & gave none, in accordance with their own codes of war.

Isurava was the last place the Australians left their wounded for their enemy to care for, thereafter they tried to take them with them. If, for some reason, they couldn't (eg: they were starving & needed to move faster) they would leave them near a food supply & try to get a rescue team back to them. Unfortunately the Japanese found far too many of them.

In an earlier post somewhere, I had made the suggestion of putting extra boats and cranes at the rear of the LHD above the well deck gate where the Phalanx's and Seasparrow launcher originally are. But Old Wombat mentioned this would probably be a bad idea.
The below picture was my original idea. But if I don't put boats there, then what? Anybody got ideas for what I should use the back end for?

I'd suggest mounts for 2 x Phalanx systems (or Goalkeeper) but not the systems themselves (see my earlier post) &, possibly, the NIXIE system (I don't actually know how this system is deployed, so I could be way off the mark here) &/or a chaff launching system.

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 07, 2013, 01:35:40 pm
Quote
I'd suggest mounts for 2 x Phalanx systems (or Goalkeeper) but not the systems themselves (see my earlier post) &, possibly, the NIXIE system (I don't actually know how this system is deployed, so I could be way off the mark here) &/or a chaff launching system.

I'm still having second thoughts about that. Nice, but.......I don't know. I'm still trying to think of other options.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 07, 2013, 06:56:44 pm
Another question:

Is it just the starboard side only that amphibious ships refuel during underway replenishment, or can they also be refueled on the port side too?
http://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2012/April/images/byrd.jpg
The cutout that the refueling hoses are going into the Makin Island LHD on the left are presumeably (?) for aviation fuel and/or other liquids. The larger hull cutout behind it I'm guessing is for other underway replenishment items? The next smaller hull cutout behind that is also for underway replenishment of aviation fuel and/or other liquids.
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/ESG7/PublishingImages/090621-N-9950J-120sm.jpg

Also, what are the row of open hatches for on the left of this picture? The port side of LHD's also has a similar row of hatches.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/US_Navy_060205-N-4772B-126_The_amphibious_dock_landing_ship_USS_Harpers_Ferry_%28LSD_49%29_Sailors_tend_a_station_to_station_phone_line_with_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Essex_%28LHD_2%29,_during_a_scheduled_underway_replenishment_%28.jpg
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: rickshaw on September 07, 2013, 08:38:40 pm
On the pictures of the boats being hoisted.  The knotted ropes are interesting.  I assume they are intended to be some form of safety line for the crew (who are all shown holding them) in case the hoist cable breaks.  I assume that if the boat drops, they're still hanging on for dear life and so (in theory) won't get hurt by falling.

I'd also think most casualties would arrive on your hospital ship by either chopper or landing craft in the well deck.  That way you'd only need a small number of boats.  If it's urgent case, they'd arrive by chopper, less urgent, you could bring them onboard en mass on the decks of landing craft.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on September 07, 2013, 09:36:17 pm
To hopefully clear up a few things on this thread, I offer the following.

There is a huge difference in international conventions between fixed armament and hand held weapons- although a wide intrepreation may call everything "armament". If you are building a true hospital ship and want to keep it realistic to international conventions, you should not mount any weapons/armament that are fixed to the hull (20mm, CIWS/goalkeeper, missile launchers etc.)  Chaff OK. 

I do not believe the the USA is breaking the rules by just having the provision for an armory on such a ship. Having the capabilty to have an armory carrying long weapons such as side arms, flares, assault rifles, grenade launchers, or crew served weapons is prudent.  These are purely defensive- although I recognize not all will agree with this view as some consider any weapon as potentially offensive.  There are situations where force protection is required such as in piracy areas or disaster relief/humanitarian assistance and force protection is required.  Even people you are trying to help may not see it that way- like when handing out food and a riot breaks out.  This has been a real concern in recent humanitarian situations including tsunami responses, hurricanes and earthquakes.  I think you will find that the "armory" may just be a secured container on the main deck with ready access to the force protection crews. The US Navy will work closely with the host nation and have a clear policy on weapons carriage for each mission.  Weapons can be secured in the armory is such places that forbid the carrying or display of weapons. 

This is similar to the antarctic treaty, where fixed weapons are not allowed by treaty, but long weapons (hand carried) may be OK.  There have been cases where governemt owned ships such as icebreakers have had to have their fixed armament removed for legal operations in such waters. These ship may still carry small arms for force protection.

As for refueling, US Navy aircraft carriers and flat deck amphibiuos assualt ships (LHA/LHD) will refuel from their starboard side.  The conning tower/bridge is on the starboard side, and they are desiged to take fuel and stores from that side.  Some of the "hatches" you mention are merely "air castles" which are open deck areas for passageways, line handling, boat acces, etc. 

Rickshaw, yes the knots in the ropes hanging from the davits above the small boats is very standard practice.  Crews should be hanging onto the ropes in case there is an inadvertant relase of the shackle holding the boat to the davit.   
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: rickshaw on September 07, 2013, 10:42:39 pm
Under the Geneva Conventions, medical personnel are allowed to carry light weapons for their own personal defence and more importantly the defence of their patients.   Experience from WWII taught that without them, massacres were able to occur, particularly against non-Western enemies.   The Japanese did that in several hospitals in Hong Kong and Singapore which was very dishonourable for them IMO.   In my time in the Army I used to train with an Army General Hospital and Field Ambulance and they were very keen to make sure that their members were familiar with small arms up to and including LMGs.  They were all taught the horror stories of what was found on the Kokoda Track where field clearing stations had been over-run.  Speaking to them, they were determined to make sure there was no repeat of patients being used for bayonet practice. 
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 08, 2013, 01:04:32 am
Under the Geneva Conventions, medical personnel are allowed to carry light weapons for their own personal defence and more importantly the defence of their patients.   Experience from WWII taught that without them, massacres were able to occur, particularly against non-Western enemies.   The Japanese did that in several hospitals in Hong Kong and Singapore which was very dishonourable for them IMO.   In my time in the Army I used to train with an Army General Hospital and Field Ambulance and they were very keen to make sure that their members were familiar with small arms up to and including LMGs.  They were all taught the horror stories of what was found on the Kokoda Track where field clearing stations had been over-run.  Speaking to them, they were determined to make sure there was no repeat of patients being used for bayonet practice. 

Was unaware of those changes to the GC's (not that I've actually studied them in anything other than a cursory manner). Thanks for bringing me up to date! :thumbsup:

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 08, 2013, 06:46:01 pm
Small question:

Most life raft canisters on ships are painted white, except for those on military vessels which are usually light gray or the same color as the navy ship's hull. Would it look too awkward if I painted my LHD's life raft canisters orange to make them more noticeable and not blend in too much with a white painted hull? Lifeboats are generally orange painted. Why not life raft canisters?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 08, 2013, 07:04:47 pm
I can only find pic's of white l-b cannisters on non-mil ships but I can't see any reason why the cannisters couldn't be painted orange (or possibly yellow?) for quick identification by non-crew members. I think white was chosen to minimise sun damage to the plastics of the cannisters, as it reflects light better than other colours.

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on September 08, 2013, 07:49:24 pm
Some of those open-air hatches would be good for a jet-ski......they could be lowered by a single point and easily dropped/retrieved

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 11, 2013, 03:09:18 pm
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I'd also think most casualties would arrive on your hospital ship by either chopper or landing craft in the well deck.  That way you'd only need a small number of boats.  If it's urgent case, they'd arrive by chopper, less urgent, you could bring them onboard en mass on the decks of landing craft.

@rickshaw:  I already explained this earlier to everyone, but if not, I'll explain it again:  Using the flight deck, well deck, copters, LCAC's and other landing craft is great for MASS recieving of casualties and/or cargo. But if the flight deck is fouled up, or something happens in the well deck, and patients cannot be recieved via those two options, then using smaller boats docked alongside the hull is the only option left. What if copters or large landing craft can't get to or close enough to an area? Sometimes, it just pays to have smaller boats handy for backup or getting in areas where LCAC's can't go. And the numerous smaller boats will do double duty as lifeboats too for crew and/or patient evacuation.

Question:  I'm a bit undecided on detailing and painting the hangar deck and the well deck. Once those areas are glued, and covered up, you won't see much, if anything in those areas. IDK. Should I detail and paint those two interiors, or should I just forget it?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 14, 2013, 05:05:41 pm
Taking early suggestions on modifying the kit's two LCAC's for mass patient transporting. A normal LCAC looks like the pic below. If a normal LCAC were transporting patients, the patients would get wet and dirty by the big fans kicking up seaspray and sand every time the LCAC was landing on the beach and/or traveling on the sea. I need ideas to modify the middle flat deck with some type of enclosure for transporting patients. Any suggestions?

(http://militaryfactory.com/ships/imgs/lcac.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on September 14, 2013, 06:51:17 pm
LCAC seating is quite limited, but this has already been resolved in the real world.  The US Navy uses pre-fab personel transport modules laid out on the main deck of the LCAC.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/usnavy/7068060029/

I would recommned a few 20 foot containers laid on the LCAC well.  Imagine a few 20 fot containers, with doors and a few windows.  The containers could be easily removed allowing the LCAC to resume vehicle delivery.  Very easy to simulate in  1/350 with some rectangular evergreen sections. 
 
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Mossie on September 16, 2013, 04:56:44 am
I would recommned a few 20 foot containers laid on the LCAC well.  Imagine a few 20 fot containers, with doors and a few windows.  The containers could be easily removed allowing the LCAC to resume vehicle delivery.  Very easy to simulate in  1/350 with some rectangular evergreen sections. 

Like this:
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/field/zms/zms3.html

Scroll along on the picture bar underneath, there's another option that might be useful, an expandable shelter that collapses into a standard container sized frame
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: scooter on September 16, 2013, 05:35:43 am
I would recommned a few 20 foot containers laid on the LCAC well.  Imagine a few 20 fot containers, with doors and a few windows.  The containers could be easily removed allowing the LCAC to resume vehicle delivery.  Very easy to simulate in  1/350 with some rectangular evergreen sections. 

Like this:
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/field/zms/zms3.html

Scroll along on the picture bar underneath, there's another option that might be useful, an expandable shelter that collapses into a standard container sized frame

Gichner makes a family (http://www.gichner.us/asf.html) of 20' containers in the non, 1 side and 2 side flavors.

Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 16, 2013, 04:55:11 pm
I would recommned a few 20 foot containers laid on the LCAC well.  Imagine a few 20 fot containers, with doors and a few windows.  The containers could be easily removed allowing the LCAC to resume vehicle delivery.  Very easy to simulate in  1/350 with some rectangular evergreen sections. 

Like this:
http://www.army-technology.com/contractors/field/zms/zms3.html

Scroll along on the picture bar underneath, there's another option that might be useful, an expandable shelter that collapses into a standard container sized frame

Whatever pics are on that website link, I can't view them for some reason. :(  However........I did find these pics instead:

(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/07/1311363580-mobile-hospital-04-copy-707x1000.jpg)

(http://www.beastsofwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Cargo-Containers.jpg)

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRifmv1LIrzwWpLx1Udt1TXmzKzUj2bAFB_SSWy10HZ50KLuYAh-g)

(http://www.johnsonmedical.com/JMBox.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Mossie on September 17, 2013, 04:12:43 am
Yeah, the main one is the same as the third pic you posted, basically a bunch of containers coupled together, also quite like your second pic.  The other was an expandable shelter, very like the ones in your first pic.

The ISO containers are a good option, if you're not using them on the LCAC, you can stick them on the back of trucks as a mobile hospital.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 19, 2013, 05:50:53 pm
I found these two pics on the Net. What do you think?


(http://coalitionofhope.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/HADR-V-EXCELSIOR-2012.jpg)

(http://coalitionofhope.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Excelsior_DeckViewTriMast.jpg)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 20, 2013, 03:20:31 am
I think they look great!

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 22, 2013, 06:06:25 pm
Short question for tonight:

The pictures I posted above in Post # 63: Should I add a green stripe down the length of my ship hull similar to what's in the picture? I've done a bit of browsing on the Net and I've noticed the green stripe is used on some Russian, Europe, or other country hospital ships. But was it ever on American hospital ships?
The green stripe does kinda "break up" all the white on a hospital ship so to speak.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 23, 2013, 08:13:10 am
Iirc, the green is the international colour for all things medical (hence the reason many 1st aid kits have either a green cross, or a green caduceus or Rod of Asclepius on them). The red cross was adopted as the military symbol for a medical facility as most of the early field ambulances & hospitals were operated by the International Red Cross Organisation, which flew its flag above the sites to indicate that they were non-combatant sites.

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on October 22, 2013, 06:15:39 pm
Must be anticipating one heck of a lot of casualties with all those big choppers on deck ! I guess you'd need load carrying capability combined with range tho....

As for the green stripe, if the USN didn't use them, and you're building a USN Hospital ship, I'd forego it. Even tho it would add interest and break up the white, it just wouldn't seem right.

I saw one of those big hospital ships in Halifax harbor back in 04 or 05. Took up a lot of space ! Was hoping all summer to see a cool USN ship come in, and that's what I got  :blink:

Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 22, 2014, 07:40:22 pm
Sorry there's been no new progress on this project. Been busy the last few months with holidays and such. I really want to start building this model soon and I have currently been purchasing extra accessories for this project. Once I have purchased all the accessories I need in the next few weeks, then I will begin construction. I am really looking forward to building this ship.  :thumbsup: I've got a really good feeling about this project. ;)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on January 22, 2014, 08:31:15 pm
I'm looking forward to it! If you were thinking of an international organization using this ship instead of the navy then the green strip would look good. This would leave more options for aircraft.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on January 23, 2014, 05:40:16 am
I'll second that motion....can't wait to see this get going ! I love small scale ships, and especially 350th scale. All the details you can add.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on January 23, 2014, 06:06:49 am
I'll third that! :thumbsup:

I'm a bit sad about the hiatus on the LCS-2 MMCV, though. I was hoping to see that progress, too. :(

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Mossie on January 23, 2014, 06:42:19 am
Fourth! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 23, 2014, 06:58:11 am
I'm looking forward to it! If you were thinking of an international organization using this ship instead of the navy then the green strip would look good. This would leave more options for aircraft.

Yes, I will add the green stripe down the length of the hull. A plain white ship would look much better with an added bit of "color". ;)

I'll third that! :thumbsup:

I'm a bit sad about the hiatus on the LCS-2 MMCV, though. I was hoping to see that progress, too. :(

:cheers:

Guy

Don't worry, I'll still finish the LCS. It's just been put on "indefinate hold" for awhile.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 29, 2014, 09:03:49 am
As I'm buying (and waiting) for various aftermarket accessories to come in before I start building this project, I've had an interesting idea on my mind that I'd like to get opinions on.
I've been thinking of cutting out part of the flight deck and replacing it with clear thin acrylic sheet so a person could look down and into the hangar area. Sorta like what you see for this model:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/ijn/shimokita-700-pv/shimokita-index.html

For the well deck, that'll be a bit tougher. I was thinking of having the well deck viewable from the side and cutting out part of the hull on the port side of the ship. See red lines in pic below. The problem with making the well deck viewable from the side is that I have to cut through 2 hull walls.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/hullcut1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/hullcut1.jpg.html)

Another option for making the well deck (Red rectangle in pic below) and the hangar bay (Yellow rectangle in pic below) viewable is to make a larger cutaway opening on the port side of the model so both areas are viewable together.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/hullcut2.png) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/hullcut2.png.html)


Is what I'm proposing feasible or not? Any suggestions, tips, tools, etc. for making such a cutaway?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on January 29, 2014, 09:38:19 am
Cut away ! Just plan the cut according to where bulkheads would be so you can have a big open space.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 29, 2014, 07:57:35 pm
On Page 5 of this thread, there was talk of making 20' medical shipping containers to put on the model. I did some Googling and found a company that actually makes such medical containers.
http://www.clinicinacan.org/
They shouldn't be too hard to make. A real 20' x 8' x 8' container would be approx. 3/4" inches long x 1/4" high x 1/4" wide using Evergreen strip. So I'll probably put a bunch on the LCU's, LCAC's, and a few on the flight deck.

I'm also buying a lot of accessories to use with this hospital/humanitarian relief ship. Things such as:
1x  1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Navy Rigid Hull & Personnel Boats  (Might buy more later)
3x  1/350 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes Large  (Might buy more later)
2x  1/350 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes Small  (Might buy more later)
2x  1/350 Gallery Models USMC Armor Vehicles (2 ea of 8 different vehicles) for USS Wasp / Iwo Jima Kit  (I only need the Humvees and cargo trucks from this set. The tanks and armored vehicles I'll save for something else.)
2x  1/700 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes
1x  L'Arsenal 1/350 Accessory AC350-129  85 gallon Oil / Fuel Drums (50 pcs)

Gotta have lots of cargo/supplies for a humanitarian/relief mission.  :thumbsup:

I've already got enough helicopters and V-22's at home for this ship model. The only things I don't have which were out of stock are:
* 1/350 Gallery Models 1/350 USN LCAC Hovercraft (2) for USS Wasp / Iwo Jima Kit  (I already have 2 LCAC's at home, but I want a third)
* L'Arsenal Decals DEC350-04   1/350 scale US Army White Stars and Red Crosses   - 5 Large & 10 Small red crosses per decal sheet.  (I need these pretty badly to put red crosses on all the vehicles, etc.)

What other aftermarket accessories, if any, should I buy/add?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on January 30, 2014, 06:32:02 am
Where did you get the above stuff from ? Never heard of Veterans or Niko ! I have all the Gallery stuff tho, love 350 scale !

Have you got all your PE doors and rails etc. ? White Ensign have lots to choose from. You'll need some crew as well.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 30, 2014, 01:44:39 pm
I've been buying all my stuff from here:
http://www.freetimehobbies.com/
Good prices, and great service too.  :thumbsup:

An example of Niko and Veteran stuff:
http://www.freetimehobbies.com/NIKZW3508x/
http://www.freetimehobbies.com/VTW35004

Veteran Models makes awesome weapon sets.  :thumbsup: You can't go wrong with them. ;)

I'm not sure how much photoetch I'll buy, or even if I plan to add any photoetch at all. My eyesight just can't handle that kind of stuff anymore. :(
As for crew figures, same as above.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on January 30, 2014, 01:54:28 pm
Cool beans ! I found some stuff on L'arsenal US site, have to check the prices. I have that Pine Island dio that needs finishing and some men, boxes and barrels would be just the trick !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 09, 2014, 06:35:31 am
So construction for this project will be a little late........maybe till late February. I'm still purchasing lots of aftermarket accessories for this project which I need. Everything that I've currently bought so far is the following, though not everything will be used for the hospital ship. A lot of the weapons, planes, and other stuff is for other projects. The most urgent thing I'm waiting for is some L'Arsenal 1/350 scale Red Cross decals which I need very badly.

1 x 1/350 Gallery Models USMC Aircraft (2 ea of 6 different) for USS Wasp / Iwo Jima Kit
2 x 1/350 Gallery Models Carrier Deck Equipment
3 x 1/350 Gallery Models USMC Armor Vehicles (2 ea of 8 different) for USS Wasp / Iwo Jima Kit
2 x 1/350 Gallery Models 1/350 USN LCAC Hovercraft (2) for USS Wasp / Iwo Jima Kit
5 x 1/350 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes Small
5 x 1/350 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes Large
2 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Mk 36 Torpedo Launcher & Mk 25 Chain Gun
3 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Navy Rigid Hull & Personnel Boats
2 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US SLQ-32 ECM & SRBOC Chaff
3 x 1/350 Veteran Models RIM 116 RAM Launcher
1 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Mk 26 SM-2 Standard Missile Launcher
3 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Mk 45 5 Inch Single Gun
3 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Phalanx CIWS 
3 x 1/350 Veteran Models Mk 38 MOD2 25mm Chain Gun (with MK-53 Nulka Decoy System)
2 x 1/700 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes
1 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Mk 141 Harpoon Launcher
1 x 1/144 Revell Germany Plastic Model Kit Northrop B2 Bomber
1 x 1/144 Revell Germany Plastic Model Kit F-117 Stealth Fighter
1 x 1/144 Trumpeter F-22A Raptor
3 x 1/350 White Ensign Modern USN/RN RHIB Davits
1 x L'Arsenal 1/350 Accessory  85 gallon Oil / Fuel Drums (50 pcs)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on February 09, 2014, 12:40:36 pm
Wow impressive shopping list. More expensive than the ship I'm sure  ;D

Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on February 09, 2014, 12:42:57 pm
That is an impressive list ! All from Freetime ?

What are the 155th scale kits for ?

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 09, 2014, 04:58:07 pm
Wow impressive shopping list. More expensive than the ship I'm sure  ;D

You have no idea!  :blink:  ;D

That is an impressive list ! All from Freetime ?

What are the 155th scale kits for ?

95% of it from Freetime, except for the L'Arsenal oil drums, and a few Gallery vehicle sets directly from MRC itself.  The 1/144 scale aircraft kits are for this project here:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,36915.0.html
........and a good portion of the Veteran weapons sets are for this project here:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37298.0.html
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on February 10, 2014, 05:42:02 pm
I might order a few things from them next week, or directly from L'arsenal USA. I\d like to get some bits for the Pine Island build, and  350th scale Sunderland would be just the ticket, and maybe a Catalina or two !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 19, 2014, 09:46:32 am
I bought a bunch of MRC US Marine armor vehicle packs:
http://www.modelrec.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=12472
........so I could have the Humvees and cargo trucks from them. The tanks and other vehicles I'll use for other future projects.
But then.........I found GHQ   :blink:  and the modern military vehicles they offered. I need more of a variety of vehicles than what the MRC packs have to offer, but I noticed the vehicles from GHQ are 1/285 scale and not 1/350. :( Is 1/285 still acceptable? Has anyone else used GHQ vehicles for their amphib ship builds? But if I took my model to a contest in the future, I'd surely get creamed by the judges for having vehicles that are "out of scale".
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on February 19, 2014, 10:52:32 am
Close enough if you ask me !
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on February 19, 2014, 11:42:45 am
I bought a bunch of MRC US Marine armor vehicle packs:

not 1/350. :( Is 1/285 still acceptable?


Wow the MRC ones look great. 

Mt 2 cents is that the differnce between 1/350 and 1/285 will be noticable, especially if they are side by side.  If you are doing it for just your fun, perhaps no worries, but I think it would bother you.  I'm by no means a rivet counter, but I have worked aircraft, armor and ships including 1/700, 1/720, 1/800, 1/300, 1/350, 1/426 and other scales, and when you get to side by sides, you can notice. I have not used GHQ.   
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 19, 2014, 04:53:33 pm
I bought a bunch of MRC US Marine armor vehicle packs:

not 1/350. :( Is 1/285 still acceptable?


Wow the MRC ones look great. 

Mt 2 cents is that the differnce between 1/350 and 1/285 will be noticable, especially if they are side by side.  If you are doing it for just your fun, perhaps no worries, but I think it would bother you.  I'm by no means a rivet counter, but I have worked aircraft, armor and ships including 1/700, 1/720, 1/800, 1/300, 1/350, 1/426 and other scales, and when you get to side by sides, you can notice. I have not used GHQ.   

Actually, the MRC vehicles aren't that great. There aren't even any doors on the sides of the Humvees!  :blink: Even if I did buy/use 1/285 scale GHQ vehicles, I would not be able to have any 1/350 scale vehicles nearby otherwise I'd get creamed by the judges if I were to take this model to a contest. The only 1/350 vehicle that might look awkward next to a 1/285 vehicle are the kit's forklifts. Any 1/285 vehicles I buy/use would only be shown in the well deck/vehicle storage deck, and also on the LCAC's/LCU's. Any 1/350 vehicles I use are the flight deck vehicles and the forklifts.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on February 20, 2014, 07:13:18 am
[Mt 2 cents is that the differnce between 1/350 and 1/285 will be noticable,  

I've seen people try and use them side by side on a wargames table and it doesn't work well at all. In the UK the small wargames scale is 1/300 which is still to big I would say, but the range is huge

Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on February 20, 2014, 01:20:02 pm
I'm swinging my vote back the other way. I was thinking about my Pine Island that is now a 350 scale boat, but I only added a/c and you can't really tell. I am not using accessories of 2 different scales.

 :tornado:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 23, 2014, 06:14:51 pm
I bought a bunch of GHQ vehicle sets last night........just for the hell of it to see if they might work. I ordered the following: (1 pack of each)
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n96.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n95.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n129.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n128.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n117.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n120.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n105.html

Since I'm building a hospital/humanitarian relief ship operated by the US military and/or a civilian agency, then it only makes sense that I'll need a lot of "cargo/transport" vehicles to put in the LCAC's/LCU's as well as the interior vehicle storage deck. Now........what should I paint them? Should all the vehicles (as well as the LCAC's/LCU's & aircraft) all be painted white with red crosses on the sides? Or should they be painted some other colors?
I was also considering adding UN markings on some of the vehicles too, but am unsure about it. Can a amphibious hospital ship get away with transporting white "combat" UN vehicles (To help guard hospital/relief supply convoys) or would that violate international laws by having UN armaments and armed vehicles on a hospital ship?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on February 24, 2014, 05:47:38 am
Should all the vehicles (as well as the LCAC's/LCU's & aircraft) all be painted white with red crosses on the sides? Or should they be painted some other colors?
I was also considering adding UN markings on some of the vehicles too, but am unsure about it. Can a amphibious hospital ship get away with transporting white "combat" UN vehicles (To help guard hospital/relief supply convoys) or would that violate international laws by having UN armaments and armed vehicles on a hospital ship?

Overall white would be fine, although a mix of some vehicles in another color may provide some more interest- see below.  The red crosses are primarily a western marking, and may not be welcome/appropriate for the theatre the ship is operating in.  The red crescent may be more welcome in certain countries.  

Armed relief vehicles is highly dependent on the host nation, and the nature of the response. It depends on the type of situation you are entering. If there is an absence of host nation security, ie there are unable or unwilling to provide security, then yes you could have a situation where armed vehicles could be needed to provide security for the relief operation.  Sometimes you must secure the area before allowing relief.  This could be authorized by the host nation or via UN resolution, or other resolution (NATO, EU, etc). Generally a relief nation will not send in armed persons, vessels, aircraft or vehicles without permission or authorization, as this would be an invasion.  In cases where there is a near total breakdown of a host nation (like Somalia), a commander may be given authorization to provide a self protection capability.  

Armament for relief missions is usually defensive in nature, although that can be stretched quite a bit to include APC's, both wheeled an tracked and other heavy equipment.  Operations such a Kosovo (KFOR), IFOR, Darfur, etc have seen some heavily armed vehicles. Some may stay in military colors, but will usually have clear markings representative of the operation: ie will not have national roundels/markings/flags.  

If your model is a generic response vessel prepared for both permissive, and non permissive environments, then yes you could have both armed and unarmed vehicles.    

You could go with US equipment alone (normal load) or I could also see your LHD used to transport other vehicles from other participating countries and agencies.  This could provide some more interest to your model and you could have civilian trucks, water tankers, etc in all sorts of colors.  And even helos from other countries. Your scenario could be a UN/NATO/EU/SEAN etc sanctioned relief effort in a non-permissive environment and has all sorts of trucks and combat support vehicles, vessels and helos. The LHD could be the flag HQ for the where the Joint Task Force commander sits, and acts as the lead support vessel. A MiL-17 and some non standard trucks would add some color on deck.        
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on February 24, 2014, 06:48:39 am
Don't forget non-government organizations, NGOs. They would have any number of civilian aircraft and vehicles.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on February 25, 2014, 01:53:17 am
I haven't checked through all your shopping to see if you have them already but the backbone of the UN is the Toyota Landcruiser.  You need some of them.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 25, 2014, 04:30:33 am
I haven't checked through all your shopping to see if you have them already but the backbone of the UN is the Toyota Landcruiser.  You need some of them.


You mean something like this?
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n133.html
I haven't fully decided if I want this ship model to carry other vehicles from other countries, or even to have any UN markings on any of them. Right now, it's just an "option" I'm considering. ;)
Right now, this model project "represents" my idea for a What If hospital ship to replace the US Navy's MERCY class hospital ships.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on February 25, 2014, 04:49:56 am
That's a great selection there. I hope the scales work out, but I'm skeptical now....especially with the size of something as bi as a HEMMT
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 25, 2014, 06:09:42 pm
That's a great selection there. I hope the scales work out, but I'm skeptical now....especially with the size of something as bi as a HEMMT

Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical too. Well, if the GHQ vehicles don't work for any reason, I'll just sell/give them to somebody else who might have a use for them.

So.........a recap of my plans and ideas so far for this huge project:

1. Build the Wasp as a What If hospital ship replacement for the US Navy's MERCY class hospital ships.

2. Paint it all white with a green stripe and red crosses along the hull sides as mentioned in this thread:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37885.0.html

3. Add a selection of either MRC cargo/transport vehicles:
http://www.modelrec.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=12472
(But only the Humvees & cargo trucks)
........or GHQ cargo/transport vehicles (As described in Post # 91 further above) as well as palletised cargo on the LCAC's/LCU's and in the upper vehicle storage deck.

4. Add extra lifeboats/launches/RHIB's to the port/starboard sides of the ship. 
3 x 1/350 Veteran Models Modern US Navy Rigid Hull & Personnel Boats, 2 Personnel boats & 2 RHIB's per pkg x 3 pkgs = 6 Personnel boats & 6 RHIB's total.
http://www.freetimehobbies.com/VTM35011/

5. Remove all weapons and weapon systems radars.

6. Medium/large cargo crane to be added in place of where the forward Seasparrow missile launcher originally was.

7. Unknown on what to put in the aft area above the well gate where the aft Seasparrow launcher and CIWS guns are normally located.

8. Massive amounts of "humanitarian cargo and supplies" has already been bought:
5 x 1/350 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes Small, 12 pcs per pkg x 5 pkgs = 60 pcs total.
5 x 1/350 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes Large, 5 pcs per pkg x 5 pkgs = 25 pcs total.
5 x 1/700 Niko Model Cargo Wooden Boxes,  14 pcs per pkg x 5 pkgs = 70 pcs total.
1 x L'Arsenal 1/350 Accessory  85 gallon Oil / Fuel Drums (50 pcs)

9. Aircraft already in the Gallery Models WASP kit will be used as well as one extra pkg of MRC aircraft which was bought.
http://www.modelrec.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=12471
Aircraft for the flight deck/hangar bay to possibly include:
V-22's x 6
SH-60's x 4  (Might add another 2 from my spares box at home)
CH-53's x 6
CH-46's x 6  (Not sure if I will use this helicopter)

10. All flight deck vehicles to be used from the Gallery Models WASP kit as well as 1 extra MRC pkg.
http://www.modelrec.com/search/product-view.asp?ID=12474

11. Both LCAC's (x2) and LCU's (x2) will be used from the Gallery Models WASP kit.

12. Since the WASP kit does not have a waterline hull option, I will be making a display/diorama similar to this:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/lhd/350-py/lhd1-21.jpg

13. Most aircraft, LCAC's/LCU's, cargo/transport vehicles to be painted white unless otherwise noted. Flight deck vehicles to be painted yellow.

14. No LED lighting to be added in the hangar bay/well deck.

15. To make the well deck, hangar bay, and upper vehicle storage deck more "visible", I have decided to cut certain sections out of the flight deck as well as the hangar bay floor, and replace them with clear acrylic sheet similar to what is shown here:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/ijn/shimokita-700-pv/shimokita-index.html

16. May possibly paint all life raft canisters orange to make them more visible against a white hulled ship.

17. Scratchbuild some 20 ft. hospital cargo containers as mentioned in Post # 61 here:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35600.60.html

18. Unknown on how much or if any, photoetch will be used as my eyesight can no longer handle small stuff like that.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on February 25, 2014, 08:13:34 pm
Wow...this is gonna be huge !

I'd probably scrap the H-46 idea as well. Since you have the V-22 it would be unlikely that they'd still be on deck together. But having said that, it is such a good looking helo !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 27, 2014, 06:45:14 pm
As I mentioned before, I bought one pkg of each of the following. They arrived in the mail today.
Quote
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n96.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n95.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n129.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n128.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n117.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n120.html
http://www.ghqmodels.com/store/n105.html

Below are some test shots comparing some of the grey 1/350 scale MRC vehicles next to the GHQ 1/285 scale shiny pewter vehicles. Sorry for any blurriness of pics. If I decide to use GHQ vehicles, I don't plan to mix them with any MRC 1/350 vehicles nor do I plan to put any 1/285 vehicles on the flight deck in any way. The only 1/350 vehicles will be those on the flight deck like crash trucks, tilly crane, etc. All GHQ vehicles will be on the LCAC's/LCU's, in the well deck, and in the upper vehicle storage bay. The only 1/350th vehicle that may be near any 1/285 vehicles are any forklifts.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04956.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04956.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04954.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04954.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04952.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04952.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04947.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04947.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04943.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04943.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04942.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04942.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04941.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04941.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04934.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04934.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on February 28, 2014, 02:53:20 am
The GHQ stuff is lovely but it is a case of "will I be as big as you when I grow up ?"

I think your plan of action is workable
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on February 28, 2014, 04:41:13 am
They are nice ! Definitely noticeable side by side.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on March 10, 2014, 06:22:18 pm
This is gonna be a multi-part post.

PART 1

Maybe most people know this already or maybe they don't. For those that don't, let me try to explain. ;) Gallery Models has gotten the upper vehicle deck and the starboard side cargo/vehicle loading hatch all wrong.

Some people may already know that I have talked about converting my Wasp kit into an amphibious hospital/humanitarian relief ship. But I'm not content to have the well deck, hangar deck, and upper vehicle bay deck covered and not very visible. I don't want to see stuff through the stern well gate or the hangar elevator openings. I want to do something like this:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/ijn/shimokita-700-pv/shimokita-index.html
........and cut out certain sections of the hangar bay floor as well as sections of the flight deck and insert clear acrylic sheet so that onlookers can see down into the hangar bay, well deck, and upper vehicle deck.
But in order to view the upper vehicle deck, here's where Gallery screwed up. Mind you, I want to show the ENTIRE upper vehicle deck.

Here is a pic looking from starboard (Bottom of pic) to port (Top of pic).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05469.jpg
The small piece of tape on the outside of the starboard side hull is where the starboard cargo/vehicle loading hatch is. The small piece of tape on the interior port bulkhead is where the port side cargo/vehicle hatch is. Now when you line the tape up going straight across the hull as in this pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05470.jpg
……….both hatches should line up, which they sorta do…….almost.

Now look at this pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05461.jpg
……..with the starboard side at the top of the pic, and the port side of the ship in the middle of the pic. Look at the far right piece of tape going across the hull. When I was inserting parts for test fitting, I noticed there was no molded/scribed interior starboard side cargo/vehicle hatch doors. Also, Part H2 bulkhead wall would block where the starboard hatches would be. See instruction sheet pic here for Part H2:
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/amphib/350-lhd1-mrc/instructions-06.jpg

Another pic below to help show what I am talking about:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/lineedits.jpg
What the interior starboard side SHOULD look like is this from what another modeler did:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/IMG_34623.jpg

And here’s a pic of the upper interior vehicle deck. Notice sunlight coming through both the port side hatch (On the left) and the starboard side hatch (On the right).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/r3.jpg
Also notice the Conflag station on the right side of the pic, and how this looks exactly like what the modeler did in my link slightly further above.

So, in short……..Part H2 is too long and should only be half as high. And Gallery forgot to mold/scribe the starboard side interior hatches. Granted, most everything I explained won’t matter to a lot of modelers since a lot of people aren’t going to show the interior anyway in their Wasp kits. But for me, it is important. ;)

PART 2:

Concerning the upper vehicle deck again, it seems Gallery didn’t make it long enough. Using this pic that I found on the Net as a guideline:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/interior.jpg
……..the upper (and lower) vehicle decks should extend well forward past the RAM missile system (See red line). But in the pic below, the decks don’t.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05466.jpg
The upper vehicle deck should reach all the way to the piece of tape on the right, but the deck is roughly 1 1/8 to 1 ¼ inches too short. Looks like I’m in for a bit of scratchbuilding.

PART 3:

Using these pics as guides, there is a ramp that goes down from the upper vehicle deck to the lower vehicle deck (See yellow line in first pic link).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/interior.jpg
Opening in floor below the words “Live it” on the banner.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/Photo9_11.jpg
Green rectangle in this pic:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/lineedits.jpg

I want to create that same opening/ramp that leads down from the upper vehicle deck to the lower vehicle deck. Is the green rectangle in the third link a good enough approximate location? I’m not going to create a complete lower vehicle deck. I just want to show the floor opening/ramp.

PART 4:

I also want to cut out a section of the hangar bay floor and replace it with clear acrylic sheet so people can see down into the well deck. The following pics show a taped section I was thinking of cutting out. It measures approx. 7 ¼ inches long x 1 1/8 inch wide. I think the length might be ok, but I’m not sure on the width. Any suggestions? Further additional pics show red lines where cuts will be made, and green lines where the well deck wall bulkheads go.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05463.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04983.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04985.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04980.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04981.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05008.jpg

PART 5:

So if you’ve read this far, then congratulations. ;) I still want to cut out certain sections of the main flight deck itself and replace them with clear acrylic sheet so people can look down into the upper vehicle bay and the hangar bay. But I’m undecided on where to cut and how long/wide the openings should be? Any suggestions?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05465.jpg

PART 6:

According to the bottom of this diagram:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/wasp.gif
……..there is a ramp that goes from the flight deck down to the hangar bay. I’ll assume it’s this ramp here in this next pic that the Marines are walking up on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/jhgfds.jpg
Is this a special ramp for flight deck vehicles to go up/down from the flight deck to the hangar bay and vice versa?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on March 10, 2014, 07:21:40 pm
This is very ambitious project! I wish I could help with this but I was USAF and not Navy or Marines. Don't forget you can always say it was a refit for the hospital quarters. Looking forward to further updates.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 30, 2014, 05:28:51 pm
I've been doing some work on my LHD Wasp ship converted to a WHIF hospital/humanitarian relief ship. I just finished cutting out portions of the hangar deck floor and the main flight deck so that I can install clear acrylic sheet so people can look inside. The cutouts were accomplished with the new Dremel EZ Lock plastic cutting discs.
http://www.dremel.com/en-us/Accessories/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?pid=EZ476
I'm not sure if it's the new cutting discs themselves or my lack of experience using a rotary tool, but the cuts/edges of the plastic sections need a lot of grinding and sanding cleanup. :( I probably blame myself. I haven't worked with a Dremel in a long time.  :banghead:  Anyway, I wanted to hopefully get the most maximum view as possible that a person can have when looking into the hangar bay as well as down into the well deck, and this is what I have come up with so far. I might still add some lighting to the well deck, but am unsure.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05884.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05884.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05881.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05881.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05883.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05883.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05882.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05882.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05880.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05880.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05878.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC05878.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on July 01, 2014, 04:34:59 am
I haven't tried these new easy lock disks (looked at them in the shop but couldn't justify the price) but when cutting styrene with a Dremmel melting is always an issue IME.

Good work so far BTW
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 01, 2014, 06:59:18 am
I haven't tried these new easy lock disks (looked at them in the shop but couldn't justify the price) but when cutting styrene with a Dremmel melting is always an issue IME.

Good work so far BTW

That's certainly the case with mine but I'm fairly sure I've heard/read somewhere that the battery powered ones are not so bad, as they run at lower rpm's, especially if the batteries are a little flat.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on July 01, 2014, 05:04:13 pm

Seadude, might I suggest a metal cutting blade for your Dremel?  I find the abrasive cutting disks, easy locks, or cut off wheels, cause more heat, more melting and much rougher cuts, they also cut away a thicker groove.  Below is a picture of the small metal cut off wheel I use in my Dremel for long cuts in styrene.  Very little melting. It has small teeth and has lasted for years. Very thin.  I use on high speed on a cheeper cordless Dremel.  

The metal wheel is displayed mounted in the Dremel.  A traditional cut off wheel is to the left, with a xacto knife and 1/700 harrier for scale.

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0101_zps5005416d.jpg)      

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/DSCF0105_zpsf2c6373a.jpg)  
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 02, 2014, 02:48:47 pm
Do you have a part # for that metal cutoff wheel? The EZ Lock plastic cutting discs were very difficult to get. Three major hardware retail chain stores in my area didn't even carry them. I had to get my local hobby store to order them for me. But anyway, the major work has been accomplished. Now all I need to do is sand/grind the rough edges, then start planning/cutting the clear acrylic sheet to fill the openings.

If I do another cutaway flight deck in the future, it might be on my Enterprise aircraft carrier  model so people can see down into the hangar bay.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: scooter on July 02, 2014, 03:37:12 pm
The EZ Lock plastic cutting discs were very difficult to get.

That's odd.  My local HD has them in stock all the time
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 26, 2014, 12:25:35 pm
Got my EL wire test kits in the mail yesterday, and have finally made a "test rig" and done some testing today. The look I hopefully want to go for in the well deck for lighting is similar to this pic:

(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/lhd-1_well-deck_050620-n-7869m-055.jpg)

Notice how the green light fixtures are rectangular, appear to be directly overhead the balcony railing, and are at an angle. I'm wanting to try my best and hopefully replicate that same look and make the well deck lighting a bit more realistic when compared to traditional LED lighting kits.
What I have temporarily come up with so far is the following. Putting a strand of green EL wire (1.4mm) inside a styrene angle strip (1/8" = 3.2mm), then use pieces of 1/6" (4.2mm) tile squares to cover up certain sections of the green EL wire.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06016.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06016.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06017.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06017.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06020.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06020.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06022.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06022.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06025.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06025.jpg.html)

BELOW: The control unit. Small and simple. Only requires one AA battery to power the wire.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06032.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06032.jpg.html)

One problem I am having is that there is not much space between the back of the angle and the balcony well deck bulkhead wall as shown by the red lines in the below pic. And there is not much space between the bottom of the angle and the balcony walkway floor as shown by the yellow lines in the below pic. So once I have 2 lighted angle units in place (One on either side of the well deck roof above the balconies), people won't be able to see much of those baconies or the details on them due to the lighted angle units covering them up. Not sure if I should be concerned about that or not since I suspect most people will want to see the vehicles and action in the well deck and not the "balconies" per se.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06026-1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06026-1.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 26, 2014, 03:25:49 pm
Played around with some more EL wire.......this time, white.........or what passes for white. The color from the manufacturer actually looks more like a very, very, very, very, very light blue rather than a pure white. :( Sorry about the blurriness of the below pics. Nighttime shots aren't my cup of tea so to speak.
I'm really not sure if white lighting should be added to the hangar bay as I feel the flight deck cutout is big enough that people should hopefully be able to see all throughout the hangar bay, even at a well lit contest venue. Though I might still need lighting for the upper vehicle storage bay.
I laid the 1.4mm white EL wire inside a 1/8" (3.2mm) styrene U channel, then covered portions of the EL wire with 1/6" (4.2mm) square tile pieces. The effect I hope to simulate is sorta like this pic (Notice the lights semi-recessed in the ceiling.) :

(http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/CuoMPzrq5T4/0.jpg)

My pics below:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06035.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06035.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06036.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06036.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06037.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06037.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06038.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06038.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06042.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06042.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06041.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06041.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 26, 2014, 07:20:11 pm
Holy wow the level of realism that adds is incredible ! Great stuff.

 :bow:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on July 26, 2014, 07:50:53 pm
Looks to me like you are on the right track! I like the colors. Some real world lighting is in different colors such as sodium vapor looking yellow and mercury vapor looking blue.

I think the lighting will show up even in a lit room. This is a project that is still on the bench.
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/kerick214/New%20ship/545.jpg) (http://s624.photobucket.com/user/kerick214/media/New%20ship/545.jpg.html)
Its supposed to be white light but it still looks a little blue. Its nearly impossible to find pure white LEDs. I made one bay red.
(http://i624.photobucket.com/albums/tt322/kerick214/New%20ship/057.jpg) (http://s624.photobucket.com/user/kerick214/media/New%20ship/057.jpg.html)

Can't wait to see more!
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 27, 2014, 05:53:12 am
Kerick, what type of lighting did you use for your model? It looks interesting.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on July 27, 2014, 06:19:08 am
The main lights in the big bay are strips of LEDs from the auto parts store. They can be trimmed to length and run on 12 volts. The rest are individual LEDs wired in sets depending on the location. I ran everything on 12 volts with several LEDs in series with resistors to make it work on 12 volts.
The lights from the auto parts store come in various arraignments for custom lighting inside a car. Websites have regulated wall worts in 12 volts.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on July 27, 2014, 06:25:52 am
I do admire this type of work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 27, 2014, 08:25:27 am
That looks great kerick !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: crudebuteffective on July 28, 2014, 07:53:14 am
RE armament on hospital ships

under the geneva convention hospital ships with red crosses are allowed personal weapons for some crew because not all the patients will be from the same side

EG weapons for guards for injured POWs
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 01, 2014, 07:32:49 am
Due to my home comp breaking down, I will not be able to update this thread with more progress pics and such. It will take some time for my best friend to order parts and get my comp fixed. So for now, I'm at the library typing this post.
Right now, progress is good, but slow. Been working on finishing painting and gluing the upper vehicle storage bay and the well deck.
Not sure when I'll be back, but I hope it will be soon. ;)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on August 02, 2014, 04:37:39 am
That's a pain. Hope computer fix goes well
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 02, 2014, 05:31:03 pm
Back! Got my comp fixed today.
New update to come soon next week. ;)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on August 03, 2014, 06:15:28 am
Good to hear things are back up to speed!
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on August 03, 2014, 08:53:57 am
Great, glad fix was quick  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 05, 2014, 07:37:48 pm
A few pics for tonight. Got the upper vehicle storage bay and the LCAC well deck done.........sort of.
The side walls of the well deck are supposed to have decals added as shown in this pic:
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/misc/amphib/350-lhd1-mrc/instructions-05.jpg
Number's 42, 44, and 45.

But if I were to add two LCAC's in the well deck as I plan to, then what's the sense in adding the decals to the side walls when the LCAC's are just going to hide them anyway from being seen? Anybody think I should add the decals or not? See below pic as an example:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06071.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06071.jpg.html)


I also added the ramp that goes down to the lower vehicle storage deck as shown in the below pics. I did not make a lower vehicle storage deck itself as that would've been too much work. I also scratchbuilt the two "balconies" so to speak on either side of the ramp that leads up from the well deck to the upper vehicle bay as shown in below pics too.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on August 05, 2014, 07:50:26 pm
I hope all this excellent work will be visible later!!!!
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on August 05, 2014, 08:01:17 pm
Looks great just like that.....I wouldn't worry about the decals. You would hardly see them anyway and once the LCACs are in place there's almost no chance of seeing them.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 06, 2014, 03:25:04 am
I hope all this excellent work will be visible later!!!!

Of course!
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15. To make the well deck, hangar bay, and upper vehicle storage deck more "visible", I have decided to cut certain sections out of the flight deck as well as the hangar bay floor, and replace them with clear acrylic sheet similar to what is shown here:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/ijn/shimokita-700-pv/shimokita-index.html


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Looks great just like that.....I wouldn't worry about the decals. You would hardly see them anyway and once the LCACs are in place there's almost no chance of seeing them.

Unless a contest judge were to take a look inside and then I'd be screwed.  :banghead:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 06, 2014, 06:13:21 pm
One pic for tonight.

Whenever I see cutaway models or pics of cutaway vehicles, sometimes the edges of walls and so forth are lined in red as in the following pic:
http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Preview/2014/07/09__18_25_47/reagan23.jpg3a6f391a-33c0-448b-b74b-a5a4ec568adbLarge.jpg

I decided to do the same thing for the upper vehicle storage bay. I think it looks rather cool myself.  :thumbsup:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06078.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06078.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 16, 2014, 06:45:52 pm
Not much new to report. Progress has been slow, but steady. Right now, I'm multi-tasking on two different projects:
1. Currently working on construction of the hangar bay for this hospital ship, as well as more testing of EL wire lighting placement.
2. Construction and painting of the new 1/700 scale DDG-1000 Zumwalt class destroyer kit.

Some progress photos as follows. Sorry about the blurriness of the pics with the green well deck lighting. My camera isn't good in low light or closeup shots. But.......I think the results speak for themselves when you compare the below pics to the pic of the real well deck lighting which is in Post # 110 on Page 8 of this thread. ;)

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on November 09, 2014, 07:09:50 am
Been a while. No major progress to report sadly. :( Being busy at work, plus the holidays coming up are keeping me busy and away from the workbench. If anything new changes, then I'll be sure to post an update.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on November 30, 2015, 07:24:29 pm
Shame on me. :( I haven't posted in over a year. Life, plus other model projects have kept me from making further progress on my hospital ship project. BUT........I shall return!  :thumbsup: I hope to get back to working on this again in December, or January of next year. Seems there's a few modelers I know that have been pestering, prodding, and pushing me to get more work done on this subject.  :banghead: I don't like it when people do that to me. I prefer to model at my own pace. So anyway, here's some pics I forgot to include of additional work I did in early 2015.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on November 30, 2015, 07:41:13 pm
And a few more in-progress pics from early 2015.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06245.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06245.jpg.html)

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In these two pics below, you can see two openings in the black painted bulkhead in the middle. The opening on the left is for a ramp that goes from the hangar bay up to the flight deck level where the forward end of the superstructure is. The opening on the right is for a ramp that goes from the hangar bay to the upper level vehicle storage bay. Both ramps will be built and added.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on November 30, 2015, 07:49:50 pm
Last of the pics from progress that was made in early 2015. More work to hopefully come this December, or January next year.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on December 01, 2015, 09:38:00 am
Your pics look great! I'm sure your friends mean well. Once we see something this good we just want more! It's better to keep it a hobby instead of a job so I'll be as patient as I can.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 03, 2015, 12:32:07 pm
The more research I do for this project, the more I wonder if it's really worth it. :( I tend to think that a WASP type LHD would be a good candidate for a possible future hospital ship replacement. But it seems the US Navy and a few other groups have already made up their minds and it's possible we could see a LPD-17 San Antonio class hospital ship variant instead in the future. It certainly seems to be going that way.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/tah-future.htm
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0ahUKEwig15_TyL7JAhXE1h4KHR8pA5QQFgg-MAc&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dtic.mil%2Fcgi-bin%2FGetTRDoc%3FAD%3DADA554335&usg=AFQjCNELKjtha8kw5rSkbi5-ESvzV4XNCg&cad=rja
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on December 03, 2015, 05:36:53 pm
It's not just turning an older ship to new mission. Things like hip design and power plants have changed greatly over the years. A newer ship can be far more efficient. Plus adding all the new communications and computer networking to an old ship could be quite an expensive problem. I'm not an expert on ships by any means, just speaking in general terms. But this is whiff world so go wherever the muse takes you!
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Thorvic on December 03, 2015, 11:47:53 pm
Probably makes sense an LHD gives a lot for its full length flight deck and aviation capability. An LPD can probably give over more internal space to the medical function for a cheaper price and maybe smaller crew which will be the driving factors.

At least its being looked into in the US, as the UK Argus soldiers on in the role part time whilst its replacement is deferred till the next SDSR
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 04, 2015, 02:09:53 pm
I might go a bit "deeper" on the detail when building this model. What do I mean by deeper? Well, look at the pic below. See that long rectangular overhang with the tiny blue windows in it? Well, there's supposed to be 2 cargo elevators underneath that overhang that lead to the 2 garage doors that you see on the front of the superstructure on the upper left of the pic. The cargo elevators aren't kit parts. I'll have to scratchbuild them instead. And if I feel really crazy, I might even scratchbuild a vertical cargo elevator shaft. But that's a big "IF".  The only problem is that these cargo elevators will be kinda hidden underneath the overhang and the only way people will see them would be with a small dental mirror.  :blink:  This just goes to show and tell you that I'm getting a bit more crazy and detailed on this project. Who knows what I might do next?  ;D  ;D

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06127.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC06127.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on December 05, 2015, 02:44:38 am
The thing when embarking on such detail adding is to not get carried away to such an extent that you never finish the build because you are always adding more.  There is also the risk that once having finished the latest super accurate addition you look back at what came before it and decide you have to redo it as it doesn't make the grade.
Having said that, if you don't go down this route will you regret it?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 05, 2015, 11:20:54 am
I want to be as accurate and detailed as I possibly can for the interior of an LHD. At least........to the best of my ability. I just can't stand looking at aircraft carrier or amphibious assault ship model kits in magazines or at contests and not being able to see into the hangar bays and so forth except through the aircraft elevator openings.  :banghead: It just pisses me off that modelers spend so much time and effort detailing well decks, hangar bays, or other interior spaces, and then when they put the flight deck or other roof piece on, YOU CAN'T SEE ANY OF IT, except for a tiny portion right near the aircraft elevator opening! What's the point of doing all that interior work if your audience can't see the frigging interior?! This is why I am committing myself to doing things differently and making my model interior fully visible to the public. I want people to see how an LHD works. Otherwise, how else are people going to see the interior of an LHD? During Fleet Week at some coastal city?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on December 07, 2015, 02:07:46 am
In that case you must put the lifts in because I suspect the bottom of them will be visible to a viewer who bends down and looks at a low angle across the top of the cutaway part.
At one model show I attended someone bought along a huuuuuuuge USS Enterprise he had spent forever building.  It must have been about 2m long and it had full interior detail and like you say he had put all the decks on so if you peered into it you could see some stuff in there in the gloom but not what it was exactly.  He was talking about doing another one with lights in it.

So go for it.  Build your crazily detailed ship and astound us all with your attention to detail.

Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 09, 2015, 11:58:58 am
All further updates on this model project will cease until further notice. I'm not going to continue while this website is currently broken with it's PHP/SMF issues. Further updates on this model project will continue in my other build thread here:
http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=156955&start=20
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 15, 2015, 03:38:04 pm
Probably not the best pics below as I am not a good photographer, but it's the best I could do.

1. So I opened up the port side embarkation/debarkation door area. You might be able to see through the opening and see the other starboard side doors on the other side. It may not look like they line up with the port side opening, but they do. I might have had the model at a tiny slight angle when taking the pic while trying to hold the hull.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5780/23646596482_45ab1e0560_b.jpg)

2. A closer view of the opening. I used some spare miscellaneous parts from my spares box to try and simulate the overhead crane system above the doorway. It may look cheesy and crappy, but I'm not worried.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4025/4648902260_967258fede_b.jpg
http://www.sddt.com/images/pictures/military/navy-020615_150203-N-EV723-281.JPG
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5772/23646596562_570f7cbcd8_z.jpg)

3. Interior port side embarkation entrance.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5628/23126979344_25c1c96a05_b.jpg)

4. Ramp to the lower vehicle storage bay.
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5821/23128371833_f7c1bc71dc_z.jpg)

5. These next pics might be hard to explain, but I'll try. I'm willing to bet that there are cargo elevator doors on the starboard side of the upper vehicle bay forward of the starboard embarkation/debarkation doorway area. Otherwise, how else is cargo going to be on loaded or off loaded on vehicles in the upper vehicle bay? So I got some spare parts from my spares box and built a single cargo elevator underneath the overhang. Not sure if it's right or not, but I'm guessing that's the right location? If I'm wrong, then sorry. :( There actually should be 2 cargo elevators, but I could only build one. I hopefully would like to scratchbuild some form of elevator shaft (Pic showing sample Evergreen rod in vertical position.) leading from the vehicle bay cargo elevator to the cargo elevator doorway on the main deck in front of the bridge area. Not sure if this is feasible, but I'm hoping to try.
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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 17, 2015, 06:27:56 pm
I need ideas. I need suggestions. I need advice. I posted long ago the below quote. I'll be assembling the aft end soon in a few days and am looking for ideas on what to add/change there. I originally thought of a boat deck, but I'm not sure on this anymore. Here's what the back end of an LHD normally looks like:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/lhd/350-pvb/lhd1-36.jpg

In an earlier post somewhere, I had made the suggestion of putting extra boats and cranes at the rear of the LHD above the well deck gate where the Phalanx's and Seasparrow launcher originally are. But Old Wombat mentioned this would probably be a bad idea.
The below picture was my original idea. But if I don't put boats there, then what? Anybody got ideas for what I should use the back end for?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04054.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/icyhusky/media/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04054.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on December 17, 2015, 06:35:05 pm
Sun deck.
3 or 4 female crew members sun baking in bikinis on beach towels while male crew members leer at them over the edge of the deck above.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 17, 2015, 07:32:03 pm
Sun deck.
3 or 4 female crew members sun baking in bikinis on beach towels while male crew members leer at them over the edge of the deck above.


I'll.....uh...keep that in mind.  Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 17, 2015, 08:42:46 pm
A major hurdle has just been overcome: Painting the main hull white. I’ve heard and read how bad painting things white can be, but hopefully, I did good on my LHD hull. And if you must know, I didn’t use an airbrush nor did I spray paint…….well, sort of. I live in a small apartment, so space is at a premium. I spray painted a white primer for starters, but after that, no more further spray painting. Fumes were getting to be too much (Yes, I was wearing a mask.). Can’t open windows due to being cold and winter time. Basement is too dusty and cold. So after just one spray pass of white primer, I then decided to brush paint the hull from now on. Took 2-3 coats. Hopefully, it doesn’t look too bad. There shouldn’t be any brush strokes that you can see. These are the best photos I could take with my camera. Let me know what you think.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 18, 2015, 02:48:45 pm
Regarding Post # 144 further above.........I've asked around on a few other forums and the answers I've gotten back have been..........hilarious, to say the least.  :blink:
Things like: Sun deck, Solarium, Mini pool, Jacuzzi, Deck chairs & picnic tables, Mini game courts (Soccer, basketball, etc.)

WTF?  :blink: I'm not building a Carnival Cruise Lines passenger ship here.  :banghead: Hospital ships just don't have those sorts of things. Let's be a little more "realistic" for Christ's sake! There's got to be SOMETHING I can put in that area. I just don't know what?  :unsure:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on December 18, 2015, 03:40:14 pm
Let's be a little more "realistic"........There's got to be SOMETHING I can put in that area. I just don't know what?

Put several stacks of 20 foot containers back there and a small crane. Stack 2 high, around 10 accross.   Many components of field hospitals and other Humanitarian Assistance/Disaster relief (HADR) gear is now going containerized.  With a crane they could be lowered to LCU's/Landing craft, or be lifted to the the flight deck to become underslung loads on a CH-53. This way you have both ship based and forward field hospitals/triage.

The containers are easy to scratch up with evergreen rectangles. Here are some I did in 1/700 scale for a WHIF Atlantic Conveyor.  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/ac900_zps19185eef.jpg)  

(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa360/sandiego89/ac3_zps705ede07.jpg)

Check out this UN field hospital using 20 foot containers

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/64/f9/aa/64f9aa76d4555399372789a4dc5adb50.jpg
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 18, 2015, 04:18:01 pm
Quote
Put several stacks of 20 foot containers back there and a small crane. Stack 2 high, around 10 accross.   Many components of field hospitals and other Humanitarian Assistance/Disaster relief (HADR) gear is now going containerized.  With a crane they could be lowered to LCU's/Landing craft, or be lifted to the the flight deck to become underslung loads on a CH-53.

Yeah, that has been on my mind as well. I do want to get, or make, some 20ft. ISO medical containers. But I don't want to put them anywhere on the flight deck as I want to keep the flight deck for mostly aircraft operations. So I don't want to have ISO's stacked where aircraft are going to be parking/landing. If there's enough space to stack containers there, then I will. But if not for any reason, then I'll go back to my original idea of a boat deck.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on December 18, 2015, 08:17:46 pm
Regarding Post # 144 further above.........I've asked around on a few other forums and the answers I've gotten back have been..........hilarious, to say the least.  :blink:
Things like: Sun deck, Solarium, Mini pool, Jacuzzi, Deck chairs & picnic tables, Mini game courts (Soccer, basketball, etc.)

WTF?  :blink: I'm not building a Carnival Cruise Lines passenger ship here.  :banghead: Hospital ships just don't have those sorts of things...

Sure they do.  They're crewed by human beings who need to unwind (medical personnel particularly).  You not seen MASH?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 18, 2015, 08:52:17 pm
Regarding Post # 144 further above.........I've asked around on a few other forums and the answers I've gotten back have been..........hilarious, to say the least.  :blink:
Things like: Sun deck, Solarium, Mini pool, Jacuzzi, Deck chairs & picnic tables, Mini game courts (Soccer, basketball, etc.)

WTF?  :blink: I'm not building a Carnival Cruise Lines passenger ship here.  :banghead: Hospital ships just don't have those sorts of things...

Sure they do.  They're crewed by human beings who need to unwind (medical personnel particularly).  You not seen MASH?


If hospital ships had the things mentioned above in the quote, they'd be in the "interior" of the ship, not on the exterior. There's none of that stuff on the exterior of the US Navy MERCY or COMFORT hospital ships. Yes, I'm building a What If ship. But it's going to be "realistically plausible". Not "fanciful" with an exterior jacuzzi, beach chairs, tennis court, etc.  And Yes, I have seen MASH. Great comedy series BTW.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 20, 2015, 06:55:18 pm
Just glued in the lighting to the ceiling of the well deck for my hospital ship. I'm a bit nervous about this cause I'm not sure how everything will look at the end once I get the well deck in place, the ceiling in place, more painting to be done, etc.  Hopefully, I'll have pics later this week, maybe in time for Christmas.  :thumbsup:  Wouldn't that be cool? A green lit well deck for Christmas.  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 22, 2015, 08:47:10 pm
SUCCESS!  :cheers:  :drink:  :party:  :thumbsup:

Main hull painted red and white - Check.  :thumbsup:
Hangar bay floor (Clear acrylic sheet) in place - Check.  :thumbsup:
Well deck lighting in place and functional. - Check!  :thumbsup:

Well, that's three more hurdles done. So what's holding up the clear hangar bay floor you might ask? From what I've heard and read, the Wasp class LHD's had (But were removed? ) a cargo monorail type system that transferred cargo from the upper vehicle bay and/or other points in the ship, to the well deck. This monorail system kinda looks like a bunch of I-beams on the ceiling of the well deck in various pics found on the Net. I decided to scratchbuild a few pieces of monorail I-beams from Evergreen plastic strip (Painted yellowish color) which you can see in one of the pics.

Lighting the well deck with EL wire is complete. I'll have to show and/or explain how I did this a bit later since I'll be off to bed soon. Sorry for the blurriness of the pics further below. My digital camera ain't the best nor do I have any photography skills. You'll just have to deal with it. When compared to these pics, I think I nailed the green lighting pretty damn good.  :thumbsup: The blue lights I decided not to add. Don't need the added stress. The green lights you see in these pics are at an angle, appear rectangular, and are overhead the catwalk railing, which is exactly the same effect I was trying to go for.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/lhd-1_well-deck_050620-n-7869m-055.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/USS_Wasp_%28LHD-1%29_welldeck_2.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/US_Navy_051017-N-1189B-017_A_Landing_Craft_Air_Cushion_%28LCAC%29_awaits_the_loading_of_vehicles_in_the_well_deck_of_the_amphibious_assault_ship_USS_Wasp_%28LHD_1%29.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/USS_Wasp_%28LHD-1%29_welldeck.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/553630/fullsize/well-deck.jpg

And now for my model pics........

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LET THERE BE LIGHT! It's not the greatest, but it's the best I could do. Not too bad for my very first time putting lighting inside a model kit.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 23, 2015, 02:41:12 pm
Oh, one other thing I found while recently doing research for my hospital ship model. Remember the debate we all had either in this thread (or somewhere else) about if hospital ships could have/carry weapons for self defense? These two pics prove it. Look closely and you'll see .50 cal mounts in various places.
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/12/09121965.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/12/09122084.jpg
This doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to put weapons on my model. It's just something I found interesting.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on December 24, 2015, 02:11:22 pm
Oh my this is unbelievably good ! The lighting just makes it look so real.

 :wub: :cheers: :bow:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 24, 2015, 04:00:50 pm
Oh my this is unbelievably good ! The lighting just makes it look so real.

 :wub: :cheers: :bow:

Glad you like it. I'm just glad I was able to successfully pull it off. I wasn't sure how close I could make it look compared to the Wikipedia links you see further above in a post. I think what I've done is much more realistic compared to the regular grain of wheat/rice size LED bulbs that you normally see other modelers use. There's probably more room for future improvement. But for now, I think I nailed it!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on December 24, 2015, 10:25:48 pm
Oh my this is unbelievably good ! The lighting just makes it look so real.

 :wub: :cheers: :bow:

Glad you like it. I'm just glad I was able to successfully pull it off. I wasn't sure how close I could make it look compared to the Wikipedia links you see further above in a post. I think what I've done is much more realistic compared to the regular grain of wheat/rice size LED bulbs that you normally see other modelers use. There's probably more room for future improvement. But for now, I think I nailed it!  :thumbsup:

That looks very good. Another trick I will file away for future use!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on December 29, 2015, 10:11:22 am
Ok, I need suggestions. I need a good way to hide all the extra EL wiring, plus control switch, in the model display base. The base is the big black thing you see in the pics upside down with a square cut in the middle of it to snake the wiring and control unit through. So I'm wondering what I can do to the underside/inside of the black display base to hold all the wiring and control unit. Clips? Tape? Velcro? Or something else? The top of the display base is completely flat. Also, I have no plans to use those brass lamp pedestal things that most other modelers use. Oh, and one other thing: Cutting the EL wire to shorter length isn't an option. You'll just have to trust me on this.
Pics:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1642/23940438392_a3c29038eb_h.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1484/23940524512_5733ad6750_h.jpg

Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 27, 2016, 01:32:44 pm
Not much is going on with this project. Progress has been very slow due to painting a lot of parts white. Sometimes as much as 3 coats.  :banghead:

(http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/dd329/lindabrodsky/WhiteCoat1.jpg)

Haha! Not that kind of coat. LOL!  ;D  ;D  ;D  It's going to be quite a while before I'll have new in-progress pics to show. Maybe not till February. Sorry.
Otherwise, I have painted the main flight deck, but still have to paint/add smaller details to it. I may add .50 cal machine gun armament to the hospital ship as I briefly mentioned in a post further above. No work has been done on the Bridge island superstructure yet nor any of the aircraft/vehicles. That will probably be done in late Spring or during the Summer.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: proditor on January 28, 2016, 04:08:43 am
Ok, I need suggestions. I need a good way to hide all the extra EL wiring, plus control switch, in the model display base. The base is the big black thing you see in the pics upside down with a square cut in the middle of it to snake the wiring and control unit through. So I'm wondering what I can do to the underside/inside of the black display base to hold all the wiring and control unit. Clips? Tape? Velcro? Or something else? The top of the display base is completely flat. Also, I have no plans to use those brass lamp pedestal things that most other modelers use. Oh, and one other thing: Cutting the EL wire to shorter length isn't an option. You'll just have to trust me on this.
Pics:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1642/23940438392_a3c29038eb_h.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1484/23940524512_5733ad6750_h.jpg



Hmmmm. Twist ties to clean up the wiring (loops) and then maybe a stock styrene cover with a slot for the switch? Basically, turn the base upside down, then coil the wire and secure with twist ties, then tape that to the new "bottom", then have a styrene slab with a cut out for the switch that goes on top of that and hits the walls of the base. Secure as desired, but removability would suggest something like clips, tabs, or really strong velcro.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 26, 2016, 07:34:31 am
Been a while since I posted here. Work is still proceeding slowly sadly. I won't have any pics ready yet until maybe end of June or around July 4th sometime. Currently at work on decaling the flight deck. -> Then work on putting lighting under the flight deck to light the interior vehicle storage deck. -> Then attach flight deck to ship hull......maybe with magnets? That way, the flight deck can be easily removeable if need be. -> Then work on building bridge island superstructure. -> Then last thing to work on for this huge project is all the aircraft, vehicles, and other small accessories.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on June 26, 2016, 09:10:31 am
We'll be looking forward to it! This had been quite a project to build so if it takes a little extra time it will be worth it.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 26, 2016, 12:03:00 pm
Yeah, it's taking time. That's for sure. :P White is an awful color to paint. Plus, I've got a lot of long and/or large flight deck decals to cut down into smaller segments to put on which is taking time. This project will be as bad, if not worse, than the Habakkuk model I previously did.  :banghead: I had hoped to finish this project in time for a late October contest or an early November contest. But I have my doubts on both.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 28, 2016, 02:16:05 pm
Have the flight deck at least 98% done. What I have to wonder next is: How many Red Cross insignias should I put on the flight deck? 1, 2, or 3? And in exactly what areas? Any suggestions?

The Mercy class hospital ship has a Red Cross insignia amidships:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/19/091919720.jpg
And the Chinese hospital ship has one as well:
http://img.news.sina.com/china/p/2011/1219/U48P5029T2D424653F24DT20111220150432.jpg

Having a Red Cross insignia "on top" of the ship makes the ship more visible to aircraft flying overhead.

Sample pics of my flight deck:
https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7350/27964176885_a88948bf1a_k.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7323/27350774393_f7ce8ef2a7_k.jpg
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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on June 28, 2016, 05:05:38 pm
Well done, those flight deck decals can be very finicky.

I would suggest 2 giant crosses.  One by landing spot 2, the other by 9.  A single cross amidships would obscured by the island.  I think the red cross on a white square looks better than red on the gray non-skid, but in practice a white flight deck would not stay white for long. 

- Dave
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 28, 2016, 06:54:04 pm
My replies to your post are in green.

Well done, those flight deck decals can be very finicky.

Yeah, they are finicky. But not if I cut everything into smaller segments for easier handling/placement. ;)

I would suggest 2 giant crosses.  One by landing spot 2, the other by 9.  A single cross amidships would obscured by the island.  I think the red cross on a white square looks better than red on the gray non-skid, but in practice a white flight deck would not stay white for long.  

Unfortuneately, I only have 5 crosses to work with. 2 on the port side of the ship hull. 2 on the starboard side of the ship hull. The last one I might place near landing spot #2. But I have to wonder if a red cross on a white background, on the flight deck really is a good idea?  :unsure: It would get awfully dirty really fast with all the aircraft exhaust, tire marks, oil and hydraulic fluids, etc.

- Dave
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on June 28, 2016, 07:11:43 pm
Looking at the photo below, there's not a lot of empty deck space when Wasp is operational;

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So, it would depend on how large your air contingent is;
- Is it as large as USS Wasp's?
- Has it been reduced by turning hangar space into hospital space?
- Has it been reduced even further by operating costs, so it isn't at the numbers an operational military ship would carry (even with reduced hangar space)?

Interestingly Wasp is supposed to only carry about 20 aircraft of all types*; the photo shows more than that on her deck, alone.

However, for your Humanitarian Assistance role, I'd suggest you lose the current Deck Spot 1 (awkward, as you've already marked it :-\ ) & put a cross there, in the front starboard corner of the flight deck, & in the rear starboard corner of the flight deck, near the one you've marked, as these would be the least used locations


*
Quote from: wikipedia
Aircraft carried:    

    Variable by mission:
    3 x MH-60S Knighthawk helicopters
    4 × CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters
    6 × AV-8B Harrier attack aircraft
    3 × UH-1N Huey helicopters
    4 × AH-1Z Viper helicopters
    MV-22 Osprey VTOL tiltrotor aircraft

PS: Hmm, having seen your last post, as I was posting mine, we have a quandry. If you can, I'd suggest you find another cross ( ;) ), otherwise I'd probably still go with the front starboard corner & lose Spot 1.

PPS: Or lose Spot 3 & put it there. :-\
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 28, 2016, 07:29:51 pm
Quote
- Is it as large as USS Wasp's?

About the same actually.

- Has it been reduced by turning hangar space into hospital space?

Nope. Hangar space is the same. No additions or reductions.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 29, 2016, 09:35:51 am
Finished up decaling the flight deck last night as well as putting the Red Cross decals on the sides of the ship hull. I think it turned out fairly well. Not too bad at all. The flight deck is not attached to the hull. It is just sitting on top to give an impression of what the deck/ship will eventually look like. Flight deck has been painted in Testors Gunship Grey. Bottom of ship hull painted in Testors Insignia Red. White is Testors Acryl Flat White. 
Still have a long way to go on this project. Will next be working on adding the lighting system to underneath the flight deck so that the interior vehicle storage deck is illuminated and more visible. After that, then I'll work on all the life raft racks and canisters. I'm thinking of painting all the life raft canisters bright orange. Maybe Testors Acryl International Orange. I know, it sounds weird, but I don't like having too much of the ship and ship fittings/accessories to be all white. Would make the model look too boring and plain. :P  A lot of lifeboats and life rafts are orange. Why not the canisters too? 

Comments and questions are welcome.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on June 29, 2016, 10:02:22 am
That deck looks wicked ! Love it !

 :wub:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 29, 2016, 10:15:03 am
P.S. - Eventually when it does come time to mount the flight deck to the hull, I plan to hopefully use magnets. This will allow me to easily remove the flight deck if needed in case I need to make repairs or something else to the interior of the ship. Not sure exactly what type of magnets to use or how strong they should be. Nothing too powerful though.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on June 29, 2016, 04:06:27 pm
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on June 29, 2016, 06:21:15 pm
And Yes, for anybody that is wondering, I did use Tamiya masking tape, some calculations, and my Mk.1 eyeball to get the Red Cross decals in the same positions on the port and starboard sides of the hull.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 13, 2016, 08:12:46 pm
New pics of the progress on my hospital ship. The main hull/flight deck is 98-99% done. Just have a few tiny details to finish this weekend. Now if you’re wondering about a few things in the pics, let me answer that for you right away before you start asking your questions.
1. No, there is no photoetch railing or any other photoetch. Why? My eyesight is wayyyyyyy too bad to deal with photoetch anymore. Not even an Optivisor will help. This whole project is built “just for fun”.
2. Why orange colored life raft canisters? This whole model is going to have enough white as it is since hospital ships are primarily painted white. Might as well “break up” all that white with some other color choices. Frankly, I don’t think it looks too bad. I used Testor Model Master Acryl International Orange for the life raft canisters.
3. Yes, there is armament on the ship in the form of .50 cal machine gun emplacements around the circumference of the ship. Hospital ships may NOT carry any offensive armaments, but they are allowed defensive armaments to protect the crew, patients, and the ship itself. Need proof of armament on hospital ships? See this pic here:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/09/12/09122066.jpg
4. Using this person’s model as an example:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/lhd/350-khj/khj-index.html
……you can see two large white radomes, one on the starboard side forward of the refueling area, and the other on the port side slightly aft of the aircraft elevator. I’m not sure what these are or what they’re used for, but I didn’t like the look of them, so I left them off my hospital ship. Also, the extra deck piece (Aft port side above well deck entrance.) that the aft RAM missile launcher sits on has been left off my model as I wasn’t sure what to do with it.
5. The deck where the aft Seasparrow missile launcher normally sits above the well deck entrance might become a crew rest area with a few lounge chairs and an umbrella or two.  ;D
6. Will hopefully start work on the bridge island superstructure this weekend or next week.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on July 14, 2016, 02:55:47 am
Good call on the orange canisters, they look right.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 14, 2016, 06:47:06 am
For sure, looks right to me ! Excellent work.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 14, 2016, 07:56:31 am
Looking very good! :thumbsup:


Life raft cannisters look A1! :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 14, 2016, 10:46:26 am
Thanks, guys.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 14, 2016, 01:18:05 pm
 :unsure:  :unsure:  :unsure:  :blink:  :blink:  :blink:

I don't know anything when it comes to sensors, radars, and electronics. In the following pages/pics, I'm not sure what Part #'s to keep vs. what Part #'s not to use? Combat systems are a no brainer. For example, I wouldn't need Part #'s J2, J62, and C10 on Page 28.
But what else? What to keep vs. what to get rid of?

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 14, 2016, 02:29:25 pm
I'd just add bits to make it look busy but not too cluttered  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 14, 2016, 06:34:08 pm
While still waiting for any extra opinions on my post # 180 further above, I'll also ask another question to get opinions on:

When painting the radar masts, radars, domes, etc., what do you think would look better?
a) Paint everything same color as rest of ship which is white.
b) Radar masts painted white. But some radars and domes painted light or medium grey.
c) Radar masts and radars painted black similar to US Coast Guard ships. Maybe have a few domes painted white.
d) Other option?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 14, 2016, 07:33:00 pm
White up so far and then black.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on July 15, 2016, 07:40:39 am
Option C in your list for me
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 15, 2016, 06:13:44 pm
Ok, need opinions on the following pics.

This first pic shows my idea for having a small crane at the rear of the island superstructure. On an actual WASP LHD ship, there is a cargo elevator at the rear starboard corner of the island superstructure that leads down to the hangar bay as well as the lower aviation cargo holds. I was thinking of putting a cargo crane in this area instead of all those large radar/sensor domes so that the crane can on load/off load cargo to be taken to/from the aviation cargo holds. The two green rectangles represent possible locations for RHIB boats that I might put on some sort of overhang or balcony.
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At the front of the island superstructure (Right side of pic.) will be a larger crane for on loading/off loading cargo to/from the main cargo holds. This crane will also be used for on/off loading of portable medical ISO containers (Which I still have to buy yet.) indicated by yellow rectangles which will simply be sitting on the flight deck. There is another green rectangle which is a possible location for a RHIB boat.
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You can see in this pic an angled orange line underneath the island superstructure. This is where I will be putting a ramp that leads from the hangar bay all the way up to the front of the island superstructure where the “angled” doorway is. On a real LHD, this ramp allows crew, troops, and small flight deck tractors or other vehicles to go from the flight deck to the hangar bay and vice versa.
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At the aft end of the island superstructure on the port corner is a yellow “doorway”. This is where some flight deck support equipment is stored. The green “doorway” on the starboard aft corner is where the cargo elevator is located for the aviation cargo holds and hangar bay. Originally, I was going to make another aft cargo elevator shaft and do some other cutaway work for these “doorways”, but the plans have been dropped. Too late now as I already have the flight deck glued down, painted, etc.
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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 16, 2016, 04:44:23 am
Re: radars - I'd use anything not obviously a targetting radar (tracking is OK, you have aircraft to coordinate).

Re: masts - I'd go Option c).

Re: the other stuff - I've not the faintest idea! :blink:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 16, 2016, 06:58:48 am
First pic looks good, the crane and the RHIBs

Second pic crane sounds good, but I wouldn't put out that many containers. I'm sure they'd be run out when needed for offload and not sat about taking up that much deck space ? And in the weather as well.

Ramp is a cool idea

Moot point if it's already too late. Would look good with two doors there tho.

 :cheers:

Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 16, 2016, 08:10:30 am
Getting back to my Post # 180 further above, this is what I have partially decided on. I'll keep all the round "dome" comms and antennaes, but may put them in different positions on the ship.

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J2, J62, C10, C17, RAM & Seasparrow launchers, Phalanx CIWS, C42, C43, C44, J16, J78, J42, J91, J82, K91,

KEEP OR UNDECIDED:
A83, C60, J9, J33, J17, J38+J44, A40

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REMOVE:
SPS-48 radar (A23, A58, A72, A13)

KEEP OR UNDECIDED:
SPS-49 radar (A14, A22, )
J4, J5, J6
J79, J80, J81, J90

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REMOVE:
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KEEP OR UNDECIDED:
SPN-43 radar (A56, A73, A74, A75)
A85
A50 + A76
A77 + A78

Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 16, 2016, 11:10:36 am
I think I take back what I said here.

Quote
This first pic shows my idea for having a small crane at the rear of the island superstructure. On an actual WASP LHD ship, there is a cargo elevator at the rear starboard corner of the island superstructure that leads down to the hangar bay as well as the lower aviation cargo holds. I was thinking of putting a cargo crane in this area instead of all those large radar/sensor domes so that the crane can on load/off load cargo to be taken to/from the aviation cargo holds. The two green rectangles represent possible locations for RHIB boats that I might put on some sort of overhang or balcony.
https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8889/28051576390_32145c73bf_c.jpg

Why have a crane there to on/off load cargo when I already have:
a) Large crane in front of the island superstructure.
b) Well deck for on/off loading people and supplies.
c) Large flight deck for ferrying people/supplies by helicopter.
d) UNREP (Underway Replenishment) area directly underneath the bomb disposal chute that you see in the above quoted link pic.

So........maybe I'll just use the area instead for storage of a few ship's boats with a smaller davit crane. I'm not sure. Decisions, decisions.  :unsure:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 22, 2016, 08:17:20 pm
Trying to make progress on the island superstructure. It's like an uphill battle.  :banghead: I'd explain more, but it'd take too long. :P
1. All the windows are "painted" (drawn) with a .25mm Sakura Pigma Micron green ink pen. I think they turned out fairly well.  :thumbsup: I looked at a few other WASP LHD models by other people and they had their windows green as well. I guess the windows on a real LHD must be green tinted, eh?
2. The gray "stripe" on the port side of the superstructure is where the "BEWARE OF JET INTAKES AND ROTORS" decal will go. The lettering is white and wouldn't look good against a white bulkhead, so I had to paint a gray portion for the white lettering to show up better.
3. Also in the pics, you can see the large white crane I will use at the forward end of the island superstructure. This is the main cargo crane for on/off loading heavy items near the cargo elevators at the forward end of the island superstructure.
4. In another pic is a smaller yellow crane (Which will eventually be painted white.) which will be positioned at the aft end of the island superstructure. This crane will be used for on/off loading of cargo near the aviation elevator/cargo holds as well as raising/lowering of some ship's boats........but not the two RHIB's on the starboard aft side. A smaller davit will be placed between the 2 RHIB boats for lowering/raising them.
5. And Yes, I did add two SLQ-32 ECM systems that you can see in some pics. I also plan to add some SBROC chaff launchers on the ship model as well as maybe some NULKA decoy launchers. Though I'm not sure where to place the NULKA launchers? I might have 2-4 of them.  :unsure: International treaties and laws say that hospital ships may not have any offensive weapons. But I see nothing wrong with defensive systems, right?

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 23, 2016, 09:51:36 am
That looks so good. Love this project !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 26, 2016, 07:06:09 am
Sneak peek.  :mellow:

Island superstructure has been decaled and glued to the flight deck. Still have to finish building and painting the radar masts and all the sensors/domes which I am hoping to have completed this coming weekend on Sunday. Island should hopefully be completed by next week Monday. 

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on July 26, 2016, 07:30:07 am
That is coming on so well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 27, 2016, 04:15:18 am
A1 build! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on July 28, 2016, 03:30:13 am
Great stuff for sure. I want to land a few choppers on the deck  ;)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 28, 2016, 05:09:46 pm
Paging the U.S. Navy on the white courtesy phone. Your new hospital ship has come in!

LARGE UPDATE! LOTS OF PICS. I’ll post a few explanations of things to go along with some of the pics. Some stuff may not make sense. Since this is a “what if” ship built for fun, I threw common sense out the window.  :wacko:  The ship itself is 99% done. I should have it done by this weekend.
What’s next? All the aircraft, vehicles, cargo, and other smaller details and add-ons will be worked on from August to mid-October. With luck, I hope to have this project fully 100% done in time for a late October contest or early November contest.

PICS #’s 1 & 2 - All the red crosses on the ship are extra decals from spare model kits, specifically modern armor kits like the Boxer, Stryker, etc. I did use a ruler and Tamiya masking tape to get the red crosses “even” above the waterline.
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PIC #’s 3 & 4
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PIC # 5
Yes, I painted the life raft canisters orange. Why? White canisters on a white ship just looks too boring and too much white to me. I actually like it and see nothing wrong with it. Also, I put a large red cross decal on the flight deck. The better for overhead aircraft, helicopters, satellites, etc. to see that this ship is marked as a hospital ship.
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PIC # 6
Large crane placed in the spot where the forward Seasparrow launcher used to be. This crane was from a small toy truck model railroad accessory. This will be the crane for on/off loading of large/heavy cargo as well as some ship’s boats.
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PIC # 7
Yes, I added .50 cal machine guns, SLQ-32 ECM, SBROC chaff launchers, and NULKA decoy launchers to the ship. A hospital ship would be foolish to go into any sort of combat zone ill equipped to defend itself. International laws and treaties prevent hospital ships from carrying any offensive weapons. But what about defensive?
Also, you can see an angled ramp underneath the island superstructure. This ramp leads from the front starboard corner of the hangar bay all the way up to the flight deck where the “angled doorway” is just aft of the cargo elevators. From what I’ve read, this ramp is used by troops, ship’s crew, and small flight deck tractors or other small vehicles to go from the flight deck to the hangar bay and vice versa.
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PIC # 10
I still have to add the ship’s launch to the boat cradle here. Also, you can see that I opened up the port side embarkation/debarkation entrance hatch. The doors for that were scratchbuilt.
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PIC #’s 11, 12, & 13
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PIC # 14
Here you can see the large cargo crane better. Also, I scratchbuilt a cargo elevator that you can see transferring cargo from the flight deck to the cargo hold or vice versa.
https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8861/28614364775_d1ebfc39f6_c.jpg

PIC # 15
I decided to add a second smaller cargo crane at the rear of the island superstructure to facilitate on/off loading of cargo to go to the aviation cargo holds and/or to be used to lowering/raising of some ship’s boats.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8605/28614364825_7ef196982f_b.jpg

PIC # 16
A better view of the cargo elevator I scratchbuilt as well as the interior of the upper vehicle bay/deck.
https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8614/28614364895_962c5976d3_b.jpg

PIC #’s 17 & 18
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PIC #’s 19, 20, & 21
I have no idea what radars and sensors a hospital ship should have. When I painted and built the radar masts, I just took a guess on everything. For the radars I did remove, I did re-arrange some of the white domes a bit and put them in other positions.
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PIC # 22
Looking into the well deck. The angled structures on the ceiling (Left & Right) are the green lighting system for the well deck which I explained/showed earlier in this thread.
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PIC #’s 23, 24, 25, & 26
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PIC # 27 & 28
I wanted the well deck to look a bit wet for when I put an LCAC inside, so I brushed a bit of acrylic gel on the floor of the well deck.
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PIC #’s 29 to 38
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PIC # 39
Why so many boats you might be thinking? Not sure really. Guess I just wanted to imitate what the MERCY class hospital ships had with the amount of boats they have. But……if you really think about it, not only are they good for transferring cargo and patients and/or evacuation, but smaller boats can get to places where LCAC’s and aircraft might not be able to go like inland rivers and waterways for example.
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PIC # 40
All the island’s windows were painted (Drawn) with a .25mm Sakura Pigma Micron green ink pen.
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PIC # 41
https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8724/28581818346_6fc6f8f3ce_z.jpg

PIC # 42
I cut open the doorway that leads from the replenishment area to the hangar bay.
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PIC #’s 43, 44, 45, & 46
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PIC # 47
In this pic on the right center side, you can see the scratchbuilt ramp I made that leads down to the lower vehicle bay/deck.
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PIC # 48
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PIC # 49
A better view of the scratchbuilt cargo elevator on the left side, as well as the angled ramp underneath the island superstructure that leads from the hangar bay to the flight deck and vice versa.
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PIC # 50
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PIC # 51
This view shows the two aviation cargo elevators (Note the yellow “bars” above the elevator doorframes.).  The cargo elevator on the right is open and has cargo inside it.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8796/28581974016_038380a45e_b.jpg


Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on July 29, 2016, 06:41:24 am
Phewwww  :bow: :bow:

Tremendous work
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 29, 2016, 09:05:36 am
Now, getting to the hard stuff. I have a few questions on the following and could use some opinions. ;)

1. AIRCRAFT
Most aircraft will be transport types. Things like CH-53 Sea Stallion, V-22 Osprey, a few UH-1 Huey's, and some SH-60 Seahawks. What I'm trying to decide is whether to paint them all white to match the ship and add red cross decals on them? Or whether to paint them in a light or medium US Navy grey color and add standard US Navy insignia and/or red cross decals on them?

2. VEHICLES
There will be humanitarian vehicles in the vehicle storage deck, LCAC's, and a few other places. While I do have plenty of ex-MRC (Now Trumpeter) US Marine Armor Accessory packs like this:
http://freetimehobbies.com/1-350-trumpeter-us-marines-armor-accessories-set/
.........the detail on the vehicles from those packs is severely lacking, or I should say "non-existant".  :banghead:
I found much better vehicles from GHQ Wargaming which are much better detailed, but at a slightly larger scale of 1/285.  :o 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/icyhusky/Amphibious%20Hospital%20Ship%20Model/DSC04954.jpg)

I'd very much like to use these vehicles even though I know they'll be out of scale and will look wrong. I'll also have to be sure not to mix different 1/350 and 1/285 scales of vehicles together which hopefully shouldn't be too much of a problem as the only 1/350 vehicles I'll have will be the flight deck tractors which I have bought the following and are nicely detailed:
http://freetimehobbies.com/1-350-black-dog-deck-tractors-accessories-set/
........as well as some cargo forklifts from main WASP kit.
Again, the main questions are: How should I paint all the different vehicles? All white with red cross markings, or something else?

3. LCAC's and LCU's.
I'll have probably one LCAC and/or maybe one LCU (Landing Craft Utility) in the well deck of the ship. Same questions as above: What would be a good paint scheme for these? All white with red cross markings or something else?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: proditor on July 29, 2016, 06:05:17 pm
This may help, Shapeways has a guy churning out 1/350 vehicles.

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/3dmodellbaugermany?section=1%2F350+scale&s=0

Oddly, this mixed set doesn't show up when you filter for 1/350, but it may be more what you need.  http://www.shapeways.com/product/FFYUY69NL/1-350-humvee-set-of-20-mixed

Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 29, 2016, 07:28:27 pm
This may help, Shapeways has a guy churning out 1/350 vehicles.

http://www.shapeways.com/shops/3dmodellbaugermany?section=1%2F350+scale&s=0

Oddly, this mixed set doesn't show up when you filter for 1/350, but it may be more what you need.  http://www.shapeways.com/product/FFYUY69NL/1-350-humvee-set-of-20-mixed

That's nice, and I like the variety of different HUMVEES, but..........it's only HUMVEES. :( I'd rather prefer more the variety like I showed in my pic before your post above. Plus, what is offered on Shapeways is a bit too expensive for me to buy.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on July 30, 2016, 06:03:23 am
Aircraft - Although my preference would be white I think they'd more likely be in light grey, retaining national markings but with prominent red crosses.

Vehicles - If you stuck with the GHQ stuff (which is nice) and didn't mix in with 1/300 then you could probably get away with it. Note there are several UK companies producing 1/300 white metal vehicles for wargamming which might be available in the U.S. They are no where as nice (or weren't when I was buying them) as the GHQ stuff however.

Landing craft - More likely light grey again with prominent red crosses. I couldn't see them being white given what the sea would do to the colour even after one trip, unless the Capt' was particularly vindictive and intended the constant cleaning necessary to be punishment drill ? :rolleyes: If white though how about a wide green stripe with the red cross mid way on that. I have seen that used on some rescue types.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on July 30, 2016, 07:11:48 am
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Vehicles - If you stuck with the GHQ stuff (which is nice) and didn't mix in with 1/300 then you could probably get away with it.

Like I said, I do want to stick with the 1/285 GHQ vehicles. The only 1/350 vehicles I will be using are the flight deck tractors for the flight deck and hangar bay, and the cargo forklifts from the main WASP kit. Most of the GHQ vehicles will be in the upper vehicle deck/bay and/or in the LCAC's and LCU's. So there will be hardly next to no mixing. You won't see a 1/285 vehicle sitting side by side next to a 1/350 vehicle. ;)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on July 31, 2016, 01:22:52 am
If the aircraft are dedicated for use by the Solace in a non-warfare scenario (civil disaster relief), I'd go all-white with prominent red cross & US symbols, & minimised NAVY/MARINES markings.

This would advertise their assistance role & who was providing it, & reduce the military aspect.

For boats, I would go orange & black, similar to the Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) or orange hull with white superstructure.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Lifeboat.17-31.underway.arp.jpg/640px-Lifeboat.17-31.underway.arp.jpg)



In a direct conflict situation (where the US is at war & Solace is acting as a military hospital ship) the usual greys & service markings with smaller red crosses.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 02, 2016, 01:46:53 pm
A few last minute photos. This will be the last update for awhile. I still have to build all the aircraft, vehicles, and cargo, but you won’t see pics of any of that till maybe September.

At the rear of the island superstructure are two doors. One is cut open on the left. The one on the right isn’t. The one on the left is a garage/storage for flight deck support equipment. The one on the right is for access to a cargo elevator that leads down to the hangar bay and aviation cargo holds.
The door on the left “looks” like it is directly overhead the cargo elevator, but it is not. Although it will be hard to see when a person looks at the model, I did add interior bulkheads made from spare model parts for the garage/storage area on the left.
https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8415/28109814374_f3de5ee9df_b.jpg

The doorway that leads from the starboard underway replenishment area to the hangar bay was cut open.
https://c8.staticflickr.com/8/7703/28728204375_e33546b663_b.jpg

Two finished motor launches at the rear of the island superstructure.
https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8717/28109814414_f15b4c9c7a_b.jpg

Main motor launch on the port side of the ship hull.
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One of the larger personnel utility boats at the front of the island superstructure.
https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8754/28109869044_584af2bd87_h.jpg

Although the flight deck and hangar bay floor are cut open so that spectators can view the interior of the ship, I was concerned about how well lit the interior would be from light sources overhead such as sunlight, ceiling lights, etc., especially if I had to display the model in any rooms or spaces with minimal lighting and darkened areas. Not only was green EL wire (Explained earlier in this thread.) used for the well deck, but I also placed white (Looks light blue when lit.) EL wire on the ceiling (Underneath the flight deck.) of the upper vehicle deck as backup to help light that area if needed. No EL wiring was placed in the hangar bay as the cutout in the flight deck above the hangar bay should be sufficiently big enough to allow overhead light sources (Ceiling lights, Sunshine, etc.) to illuminate that interior section.
https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8678/28535322661_df2861ab53_z.jpg

The below pics show what the white and green EL wire lighted areas would look like in a completely darkened area. In a well lit room with adequate ceiling light and/or sunshine coming through windows, the white EL wire when turned on may not be very noticeable, if at all. The green well deck lighting may be ok because the well deck is a deeper part of the ship under the hangar bay and would require extra illumination. Although the EL wiring may look bright in the pics, this is actually false and is an effect of me playing around with the camera settings to try and get a good picture. The green well deck lighting “spills” into the above hangar bay when reflected off the acrylic gel water in the well deck.
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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 07, 2016, 03:16:41 pm
Flight deck tractors and aircraft could be more trouble than I thought.  :banghead:
I used Tamiya TS-34 Camel Yellow on the forklifts. Bad choice. The color seemed appropriate, but the finish came out as a gloss instead of a flat.  :o The writing on the can didn't specify if the color was a gloss or a flat.
The large flight deck crane had 3 spray coatings, but STILL needs more white as there are some spots where coverage wasn't very good.
The Testor Acryl Dark Ghost Gray was hand brushed on the aircraft. It turned out fairly nice. But a lot of fine details like the cockpit windows on all the aircraft are going to need to be "painted" (drawn) with a .25 or .20mm ink pen by someone else who has better eyesight than what I've got. I tried, but failed. :(
Not sure if I'll use all the following, but I've got so far:
1x  Large flight deck crane.
22x  Various flight deck tractors.
6x  Large forklifts
6x  Small forklifts
4x  CH-53
4x  CH-47
4x  V-22
4x  SH-60
2x  UH-1

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on August 08, 2016, 06:16:02 pm
Love the little forklifts ( who makes those ? ) and the Air wing is going to look excellent !

The Hummers from Shapeways belong in the " they want what for it ?" thread  :o
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 08, 2016, 08:42:19 pm
The forklifts come from this pack here:
http://freetimehobbies.com/1-350-gallery-models-carrier-deck-equipment/

I bought 3 packages long ago, but only used 1 package plus whatever carrier deck vehicles came with the main Wasp kit. The other 2 spare packages of deck vehicles will be used for future projects. The air wing is all from the main Wasp kit except for the 2 Hueys which are from Trumpeter.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 19, 2016, 08:15:20 pm
Almost there. ;)  Just a little over 2 months to go to finish this project before I take it to 2 contests. Hopefully, I should make it.  :thumbsup:

1. Aircraft are painted except for the windows. My eyesight is not good enough to paint them, so I gave the aircraft to another modeling friend and asked for his help in painting them. Once I get the aircraft back, then I have to decal them and add the rotors.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8570/28216130344_35b78e4d7d_c.jpg

2. Vehicles are completely done.  :thumbsup:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8090/28993777712_1107e14860_h.jpg
Whether or not I use all of them, I don't know yet.

3. Currently working on building and painting the landing craft. Should have the LCAC's and LCU's finished this weekend. But still need to buy 2 LCM-8's.
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8558/28993777752_883304950a_b.jpg
The white structure in the picture is a Personnel Transport Module (PTM) that I will be adding to one of the LCAC's.
http://i.vimeocdn.com/video/548609008_1280x720.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/LCAC.JPG
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jeMqffNGaIc/maxresdefault.jpg

Here's what I plan to have for this project:
AIRCRAFT:
4x  CH-53 Sea Stallion
4x  CH-46/47 Sea Knight/Chinook
4x  V-22 Osprey
4x  SH-60 Seahawk
2x  UH-1 Huey
VEHICLES:
4x  Cargo HEMTT’s (Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck)
4x  Tanker HEMTT’s
5x  5-ton cargo trucks
5x  2 ½ ton cargo trucks
5x  HUMVEE Ambulances (With Red Cross markings.)
10x  Regular HUMVEES (3 different styles)
2x  LARC-V amphibious resupply vehicles
2x  Generator trailers
FLIGHT DECK VEHICLES:
6x  Large forklifts
6x  Small forklifts
1x  Large crash crane
6x  oxygen/hydraulic support trailers
16x  Crash/Fire/Tow flight deck tractors (3 different styles)
LANDING CRAFT:
2x  LCAC (Landing Craft Air Cushion)
2x  LCU (Landing Craft Utility)
1x  LCM  (Landing Craft Mechanised)

Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 21, 2016, 10:36:20 am
As mentioned in item # 3 in my post # 208 above, I made a PTM out of 3 pieces of 1/4" x 1/4" Evergreen styrene square rod about 1 3/4" inches long, glued together, then added photoetch doors from Gold Medal Models. The entire structure was painted aluminum since that is what it mostly looks like in real life.
https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8514/28515995683_2955515eb5_z.jpg

Completed landing craft. I'll add the cargo and trucks later.
https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8376/28515995703_a05c0b5e35_h.jpg
https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8510/29102031926_3c92a44a63_c.jpg

This is how I'll probably display the model at a contest. Put a few landing craft (On a water base. To be built yet.) in front of the main ship to show what the landing craft look like, their respective sizes, and the various cargo and trucks they can carry. I still need to buy and paint an LCM-8 to add to the display.
https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8370/29102031956_a54e81ffa5_h.jpg

I'm thinking of putting an LCU and an LCAC both in the well deck. Normally, this wouldn't be done in real life on an actual LHD for various reasons. But I'm thinking of combining the two just to "show" what these craft would look like in a well deck and that an LHD is capable of carrying both types. Should I put both types inside, or just one?
https://c7.staticflickr.com/9/8821/29102031966_ae24eac3a8_k.jpg
https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8330/29102031986_30a20987a7_b.jpg
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 21, 2016, 09:12:38 pm
Worked on all the humanitarian relief cargo tonight. I may not use all of it, but I at least wanted a diversity of different shapes, sizes, styles, and colors. The cargo on the right in the pic which includes larger bulks of boxes and bags, plus loads of piping and lumber, I will finish tomorrow.
https://c6.staticflickr.com/8/7555/28528108613_d96624a176_b.jpg

So, it's down to the wire so to speak. What do I have to finish yet?
1. Finish painting and decaling all aircraft once I get them back from another modeling friend.
2. Finish painting all cargo tomorrow.
3. Load cargo into ship, trucks, and landing craft.
4. Place humanitarian vehicles into upper vehicle deck in ship, as well as load them onto landing craft.
5. Place some flight deck vehicles in hangar bay and upper vehicle deck. Placing flight deck vehicles on the flight deck itself will have to wait until I get the aircraft done and know where I want to place them.
6. Construct water display piece for some landing craft like I mentioned in my Post # 209 above.

After that, I think I'm pretty much done and can call this project a wrap.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on August 22, 2016, 12:18:00 pm
I'd go with just the LCAC in the well. What are the boxes to the right ? They come as stacks like that ? Cool.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 26, 2016, 09:40:33 am
As mentioned before:
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This is how I'll probably display the model at a contest. Put a few landing craft (On a water base. To be built yet.) in front of the main ship to show what the landing craft look like, their respective sizes, and the various cargo and trucks they can carry. I still need to buy and paint an LCM-8 to add to the display.
https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8370/29102031956_a54e81ffa5_h.jpg

New possibility:
https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8543/28625847873_b1458de3c8_h.jpg
Have a section below the landing craft to display all the vehicles I used with this project. I know the lower half looks blue. That's just the shrink wrap I have to remove from the clear acrylic sheet, then I'll paint the lower half some sort of color. And the top half won't look like that. From left to right will be 1x LARC-V amphibious resupply vehicle, 1x LCM-8, 1x LCAC, and 1x LCU.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 27, 2016, 04:19:33 pm
Quote
So, it's down to the wire so to speak. What do I have to finish yet?
NOT FINISHED 1. Finish painting and decaling all aircraft once I get them back from another modeling friend.
DONE 2. Finish painting all cargo tomorrow.
DONE 3. Load cargo into ship, trucks, and landing craft.
DONE 4. Place humanitarian vehicles into upper vehicle deck in ship, as well as load them onto landing craft.
NOT FINISHED 5. Place some flight deck vehicles in hangar bay and upper vehicle deck. Placing flight deck vehicles on the flight deck itself will have to wait until I get the aircraft done and know where I want to place them.
IN PROGRESS 6. Construct water display piece for some landing craft like I mentioned in my Post # 209 above.

STILL TO DO:
1. Buy and build an LCM landing craft.
2. Buy and build a LARC-V landing craft vehicle.
3. Buy and build some 20ft. ISO containers.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 28, 2016, 01:39:39 pm
Here's some "sample" shots of the interior upper vehicle deck as well as the well deck filled with vehicles and cargo for a humanitarian mission. There is also an LCU in the well deck.
The very last pic shows a small display I am making to display extra landing craft and vehicles. I'll attach the "water" portion to a slightly bigger base, then add the wording below that, then add the vehicles below the wording. It'll be sorta similar to what Peter Van Buren did here:
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/lhd/350-pvb/lhd1-02.jpg
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/am/lhd/350-pvb/pvb-index.html

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8344/29296638305_0a62561b18_h.jpg)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8421/29296638345_b75c0adf1b_h.jpg)

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on August 31, 2016, 09:05:42 pm
If the pics are too big, then let me know and I'll change them back to links or make them smaller.

Either I need a new camera, or I need to time travel back 30 years and retake Photography class in high school.   :banghead:  In my defense as a first timer putting lighting inside a model, I have no other excuse to give other than: I tried.   :-\
Two or three reasons why I added lighting in the upper vehicle deck and the well deck:
a) I wanted to try and replicate what others had done for the well deck.
b) I was concerned about how visible the interior would be at a contest or other place if there was inadequate lighting.


But the below pics show what the interior would look like in a completely darkened area/room. The first pic (After the diagram.) is what you might see yourself if standing next to the model. The rest of the pics are a little brighter, but that is due to me playing around with the camera settings trying to get decent pics. I've tried taking pics of the well deck while looking through the stern well gate, but no matter how hard I try, the pics turn out like crap, regardless of what camera settings I use.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 01, 2016, 12:45:35 am
All looks good to me! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on September 01, 2016, 04:17:52 am
Wow. Great details. This thing has so much work done to it it's amazing !

 :wub:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 09, 2016, 01:47:08 pm
I just got back the aircraft (minus two) that I had given to another modeling friend to help detail since my eyesight is not that good, not even with an Optivisor helping me too. :(
I gave my friend 4x Osprey's, 4x Sea Stallions, 4x Chinooks, 4x Seahawks, and 2x Huey's to detail. Unfortuneately, he "may" have misplaced 1 Seahawk and 1 Huey.  :banghead:  But anyway, here's the pics of the shading, paneling, and windows he did. Not too bad I guess. Now it'll be up to me to finish decaling the birds and put the rotors on.

Now, a question or two: Should all the aircraft have red cross markings on them, or just some, or none at all? If the aircraft were PERMANENTLY embarked/attached on the hospital ship, then I might say yes. But if they were just regular Navy aviation units rotating on deployments and such to the ship, then perhaps no.  What do you think? To Red Cross or not to Red Cross all aircraft?

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on September 09, 2016, 07:43:09 pm
Tough call. I'd say no, but if some are landing in hot zones, for strictly humanitarian reasons then maybe one or two.....or maybe none lol
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: nighthunter on September 09, 2016, 11:10:54 pm
I'd say yes for the Seahawks and Hueys, as those are routinely used by Medivac units, which would be stationed aboard.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: sandiego89 on September 10, 2016, 02:06:06 am
I'd say your friend did very well on the birds.  Those are sea knights (since retired), not Chinooks.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on September 10, 2016, 03:18:32 am
Wow!  Panel lines done on 1/350 aircraft!
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on September 10, 2016, 06:03:57 am
Wow!  Panel lines done on 1/350 aircraft!

That's what I thought- scary

As for the Red Crosses ? I'd go for a mix on the basis that some would be permanently based on Solace whereas others would be temporarily attached. Mind you even some of those would be from Medic units, so a mix of say 60% with and 40% without ?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on September 10, 2016, 07:04:47 am
I should have mentioned how good they looked myself, sorry ! Love the Sea Knights especially. Always loved those choppers.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 10, 2016, 08:07:19 am
I know the US Navy's MERCY class hospital ships have a small "garage" type hangar on the helipad for storage and/or maintenance of 2 copters. But whether helicopters are PERMANENTLY deployed on the MERCY ships, I do not know and have not been able to find out. And any pics I do find of helicopters landing or taking off from MERCY class ships do not show red cross markings on them.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 10, 2016, 12:03:20 pm
Given the above, I'd hazard a fairly good guess that the helo's are just on detachment from other units.

Solace, given her more specific & specialised role, would be likely have her own permanent stables of air & water craft, as well as vehicles.

I'd go with Chris' 60/40 mix.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 10, 2016, 06:32:00 pm
Well, the aircraft went back to my friend today for more detailing. It wasn't my idea. He kinda insisted on it. He wanted to clear coat them and try some decaling work on them. So it'll be another week or two again before I get them back. In the meantime, I'll get started on painting the rotors on the sprues, as well as creating some spinning rotors from clear acrylic sheet.

I also found the following:

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"Chief Petty Officer Curtis Trull Jr. (left), a hospitalman with the 2515th Navy Air Ambulance Detachment, gives a tour of the detachment's helicopter to instructors and students of a MEDEVAC class for members of the Iraqi Army's 14th Division, Feb. 24, 2010, at the Contingency Operating Base Basra flight line."



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"Photo By Capt. Michael Lovas | A U.S. Navy SH-60 Sea Hawk air ambulance from the Ridgecrest-, Calif., based 2515th Air Ambulance Detachment flies over a Caiman Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle toward a designated landing zone at Camp Virginia, Kuwait, Jan. 11, 2012, as part of medical evacuation training with the Brainerd-, Minn., based 1st Combined Arms Battalion, 194th Armor, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 34th Infantry “Red Bull” Division. Soldiers were able to practice treating a patient, coordinating with a helicopter crew to request assistance and the handing off a patient to the crew for follow-on care."

Also found this:
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=23162
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: nighthunter on September 10, 2016, 07:22:09 pm
My point is made! :P
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 11, 2016, 08:16:50 pm
Here's the "almost" completed water display piece for my hospital ship display. This is used for displaying the various landing craft and vehicles. I still have to buy and add a LCM-8 and a LARC-V to put on the left of the display. I was going to add "something" (But don't know what? ) to the left and right of the wording since there's a little bit of blank white space there. But I'm not sure.  :-\

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: kerick on September 11, 2016, 08:48:51 pm
This is impressive! You've thought of everything!
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: nighthunter on September 11, 2016, 10:43:42 pm
Why not add the USN Seal, and the Navy's Medical Corps Seal?
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on September 11, 2016, 10:48:02 pm
Why not add the USN Seal, and the Navy's Medical Corps Seal?

Smart thinking, that nocturnal predator! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: nighthunter on September 11, 2016, 10:58:15 pm
Glad I could be of assistance. :)
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on September 12, 2016, 09:33:25 am
That display is looking great ! Going to be a real center of attention that !

 :wub:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 12, 2016, 11:25:38 am
Why not add the USN Seal, and the Navy's Medical Corps Seal?

Perhaps. If I can find some small enough images to put in those spaces.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on September 17, 2016, 04:57:27 pm
Not exactly model related, but here's some of my reasoning for why an amphibious type assault ship could/should be used as a hospital/humanitarian ship.

DEFICIENCIES OF A MERCY CLASS HOSPITAL SHIP
(Sample List)

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1. Too old. Originally built in the 1970’s as oil supertankers. Converted to hospital ships in the mid 1980’s. The ships are about 40-45 years old.
2. They are too slow, with a maximum speed of just over 17 knots.
3. They are not easily or quickly deployed or docked. It can take 3-5+ days to prepare the ship for deployment.
4. Their size gives them a substantial radar signature that, combined with lack of maneuverability, makes them vulnerable to attack (although this should not occur, as attacking a hospital ship is a war crime under the Hague Convention of 1907).
5. While the ships are underway or in rough seas, patients must be transported by helicopter. However, helicopter capacities are limited, as each ship has only one landing pad.
6. Other points for receiving of patients is severely lacking. Raising and lowering of ship’s boats via the davits is too slow and time consuming. Port and starboard sideports are too small for boats to dock alongside and transfer patients.
7. Patient movement within the ship is limited. Built as oil tankers, the original oil storage bulkheads were retained, but have no hatches, which means that patients must be brought up to the top deck in order to be moved from a lower compartment in one part of the ship to another.
8. Can only receive up to 200 patients a day.
9. Cargo capacity/storage limited for humanitarian relief missions.
10. VERTREP (Vertical Replenishment) of a Mercy class ship must use the same small flight deck that patients are brought aboard.
11. Evacuation of ship personnel and patients in an emergency is mainly by 10-12 lifeboats, which would take too long to fill, and lower in the water. Flight deck is inadequate as only 1 helicopter can land at a time.


ADVANTAGES OF AN LHD TYPE AMPHIBIOUS HOSPITAL SHIP
(Sample List)

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1. 50 ft. shorter, 2 ft. less wider, 6 ft. less draft, and 5 knots greater speed, over the existing Mercy class hospital ships.
2. 8-9 landing/takeoff spots for a wide variety of aircraft such as V-22, SH-60, CH-53, CH-46, or other helicopters.
3. Large internal hangar space for storage/maintenance of aircraft.
4. Large well deck can handle up to 3 LCAC (Landing Craft Air Cushion) vehicles or other water craft for transfer of cargo and personnel.
5. Large flight deck, plus large well deck, plus two sideport entrances, provides rapid embarkation/debarkation of personnel and cargo.
6. Large volumous upper and lower vehicle storage decks which can handle a wide variety of vehicles for humanitarian missions.
7. Berthing used for troops could be converted to handle patients.
8. Cargo holds used for ammunition and other warfighting materials could be converted for holding medical and humanitarian supplies.
9. Six cargo elevators for rapid movement of personnel and/or cargo from the flight deck to other decks and/or the well deck on the ship.
10. Even if an LHD hospital ship cannot dock at a regular port for any reason, personnel and cargo can still be transferred to/from the ship via aircraft and LCAC’s. LCAC’s have the ability to “land” or go ashore beaches or other land areas where other vehicles and water craft might not have access to.
11. Because of the large well deck and flight deck, an LHD ship would    be able to receive twice (500+) the amount of patients per day over the amount that a Mercy class ship would (200+ per day).
12. In an emergency, ship personnel and patients can be quickly evacuated via landing craft in well deck, or by mass helicopter evac on flight deck due to 8-9 landing/takeoff spots, and also from the ship’s boats and liferafts.
13. An LHD would have a warship power plant designed for commonality with other warships. Also, an LHD would have much tighter subdivision and better damage resistance than a merchant ship conversion.
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on October 14, 2016, 08:22:29 pm
New in-progress pics coming possibly Sunday.  :thumbsup:  Should hopefully have this project 100% completely done by next week sometime. Yay!  :drink:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on October 22, 2016, 03:28:37 pm
Long post. Sorry.  ;D I took lots of pictures. Some are a bit repetitive. Sometimes the model (and certain details) looks decent with a camera flash, and sometimes it doesn't. If anybody has questions on anything, then just ask.  :thumbsup: I'll be taking this model to a contest on Halloween weekend, then to another contest 2 weeks after that.

FINISHED!  :drink:

First, a few modeling notes before the pictures:

U.S.S. SOLACE T-AH-21 "What If" LHD Hospital Ship

Kit Used:  1/350 scale Gallery Models/MRC U.S.S. WASP LHD Amphibious Assault Ship  (Kit # 64001)

1.  Main hull painted with Testor Model Master Acryl FS-37875 Flat White, and # 4714 Insignia Red. Flight deck painted Testor Gunship Grey.
2. All other aircraft, vehicles, ship fittings, etc. painted in a variety of Testor Model Master Acryl or Tamiya paint colors.
3. Majority of cargo, crates, and fuel oil drums from aftermarket vendors Niko Models, Black Dog, and L’Arsenal.
4. Majority of aircraft are from main ship kit. UH-1 Huey’s from Trumpeter.
5. Small Red Cross decals for vehicles by GHQ Wargaming. Red Cross decals on ship hull sides from extra 1/35 scale modern armor vehicles.
6. Ship bridge windows and aircraft/vehicle windows “painted” so to speak with Sakura Pigma Micron 0.25mm ink pens.
7. Life raft canisters painted Testor Model Master Acryl # 4682 International Orange to make them more visible against a white painted ship and/or ocean background.
8. Extra flight deck tractors and forklifts from MRC Carrier Deck Equipment Accessories Set.
9.  Extra ship’s boats and RHIB’s from spare model kits.
10.  Extra cargo trucks and Humvee’s from GHQ Wargaming miniatures.
11.  Large and medium ship cranes are from spare kits.
12.  Water effect in well deck made from acrylic gel medium.
13.  Ramp from upper vehicle deck to lower vehicle deck scratchbuilt.
14.  Well deck ramp side platforms are scratchbuilt.
15.  Port side embarkation entrance cut open and doors are scratchbuilt.
16.  Cargo elevator and flight deck tunnel ramp are both scratchbuilt.
17. Lighting of vehicle deck & well deck with Electroluminescent (EL) Wire.
18. Cutouts in flight deck and hangar bay floor made with a Dremel rotary tool. Flight deck cutout is 15 ¾” x 2”. Hangar floor cutout is 8” x 1 3/8”.
19.  20ft. white medical shipping containers scratchbuilt from square plastic rod.
20.  Spinning aircraft rotors made from clear acrylic sheet, then sanded to give the illusion of spinning rotors.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on October 22, 2016, 11:22:20 pm
That is bloody awesome! Well done, mate! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :mellow:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: zenrat on October 23, 2016, 01:46:55 am
Awesome, in the true sense of the word.

Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on October 23, 2016, 06:19:31 am
Tremendous piece of work  :bow: :bow:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on October 23, 2016, 08:42:02 am
Thanks for the compliments, guys.  :lol:  There's a few things I wished I could have done better. But for now, it is what it is. The lighting for the well deck and upper vehicle deck is still there and still works. But whether or not I turn it on at a contest for others to see, I don't know. How well the model lighting is visible depends on how well lit the contest venue room is. If the room is too bright, then the model lights won't show up that much at all. If the room has lower lighting levels, then there may be a better chance of seeing the model lighting.
Pics of the model lighting can be found on earlier pages of this thread. 
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on October 23, 2016, 09:04:40 am
Wow. Words can't describe the awesomeness ! Love it. The Hueys and the LARCs are my favourite of the vehicles  :wub:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 23, 2016, 03:15:45 pm
Now this is a piece of work... so many little things to look at... Excellent!! :bow: :bow:

 :cheers:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 24, 2017, 12:30:14 pm
Decided to add a little extra display to my hospital ship. I am going to create a second 7" x 7" display of LCAC's and aircraft to display in front of my hospital ship model. Whether this extra display will replace or be added to, the other landing craft and vehicle display I built earlier, I don't know.
For now, the extra smaller display I am making will showcase an alternative white paint scheme for the landing craft and/or aircraft. I may end up putting both landing craft displays in front of my hospital ship model at future contests just to show different alternative options. The helicopter will be suspended on a thin rod above and between the 2 LCAC's.

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Old Wombat on January 25, 2017, 03:48:01 am
Neat! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on January 25, 2017, 06:26:11 am
Great work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on January 25, 2017, 12:51:41 pm
Now the extra landing craft display is done.  :thumbsup:

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Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Captain Canada on January 25, 2017, 02:38:25 pm
Very cool ! And good point, they may be all white if operated by the civy side.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: NARSES2 on January 26, 2017, 07:18:10 am
This really is a superb display  :bow:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: Rheged on January 26, 2017, 07:25:36 am
This really is a superb display  :bow:

I am in complete agreement with you!
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: JoeP on February 05, 2017, 11:49:28 am
Very good work.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: seadude on February 05, 2017, 05:43:20 pm
Thanks for the compliments, guys. :)  I'm anxiously awaiting to see if I get a Whiffie for this whole project.  ;D
Title: Re: 1/350 scale USS Solace LHD Amphibious Hospital Ship
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 12, 2017, 02:09:56 am
This really is a superb display  :bow:

I am in complete agreement with you!

Same here! :thumbsup: