What if

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Title: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: nönöbär on June 06, 2012, 12:25:42 pm
Now that I get used a bit into building scale models again, I have some What-if planes on my schedule.

"Live" building progress can always be seen on my Scale Model Cam http://www.german-navy.de/webcam/scale.html (http://www.german-navy.de/webcam/scale.html) (Some none what-ifs might be there as well and it could be dark there when we have night in Germany  ;D)

(http://www.german-navy.de/webcam/scale.jpg)


Here is the current one, a Northrop F-5, used by a what-if customer.

The kit I want to use is 1/72 by PM-Models, a very basic one. But I want to try a camo technique for it, so a basic kit is ok for it.

Here is the kit I use for it:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0429.JPG)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0430.JPG)


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 08, 2012, 02:34:18 am
I have a free day today, so instead of thinking in the office, I can do a bit work on the F-5.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0440.jpg)

It looks like a F-5 - not surprising. As its a very basic kit, most parts are fit together, now I am sanding and sanding to close all gaps. Camo painting will be next.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 10, 2012, 01:34:46 am
Two of the three green camo color are now airbrushed, waiting for the thrid color to arrive next week.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0451.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Tophe on June 10, 2012, 03:16:36 am
I hope the third color will be bright pink or yellow, to be fully what-if... ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on June 10, 2012, 08:30:47 am
I've had that kit with no box floating around for years.........now I know it's origin ! Hard to tell the colours as the pic is so dark, but it looks nice !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 12, 2012, 10:50:47 pm
The three camo colors are now painted - sorry, no pink or yellow (hmm, but yellow gave me another idea for something else....)
The color scheme should be like the Luftwaffe "Norm 83" - so this plane will be one of the early 1980s.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0458.jpg)
Hope that the pic is not too dark this time.

It needs some additional color work at the nose and then landing gear and weapons can be fitted.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 16, 2012, 01:39:55 am
Most of the basic paint job is now done, and the F-5 stands on its own legs.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0459.jpg)

This will get a Luftwaffe F-5, equipped for CAS, set in the early 1980s.


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on June 16, 2012, 08:33:42 am
Coming together well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 17, 2012, 12:16:35 am
Everything is made so far, the Luftwaffe F-5 is now waiting for the glossy finish, decals and the final overall finsih.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0471.jpg)

Have to work out the story behind it now....


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Cobra on June 17, 2012, 12:21:38 am
You could say it was Provided to the Luftwaffe by a Concerned Germany Citizen with Enough money to Try and Support Germany by giving it a Plane Well Suited to CAS Duties! does that Help? Keep up the Great Work :thumbsup: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on June 17, 2012, 05:11:22 am
I'm not a fan of the F5 or F20 but it's looking good in that Scheme
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Hobbes on June 17, 2012, 05:16:39 am
Nicely done. What is the white panel behind the cockpit?

As for the backstory, maybe the Germans decided to go with F-5 instead of Starfighter when the Lockheed bribery came to light?

 
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: TallEng on June 17, 2012, 05:28:42 am
That's looking good :thumbsup:
 and If they'd ordered the Two seat version (T-38)
as well for the O.C.U. They might have been tempted to form an Aerobatic team,
Called..... The Donnervögel  ;D

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 17, 2012, 06:41:50 am
That's looking good :thumbsup:
 and If they'd ordered the Two seat version (T-38)
as well for the O.C.U. They might have been tempted to form an Aerobatic team,
Called..... The Donnervögel  ;D

Regards
Keith

Well, in real-life, the Luftwaffe own several T-38s. Altough they are flying with American markings, those planes are owned by the Luftwaffe and used for jet pilot training of Luftwaffe pilots in the USA.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 26, 2012, 05:53:30 am
While searching for some other model parts, I run accross this thing, which is waiting to be completed for several years now:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0526.jpg)

This is a old Revell kit, I wonder what to do from it ...


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 26, 2012, 08:46:10 am
Bags of scope with a B-47......  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Martin H on June 26, 2012, 09:43:38 am
While searching for some other model parts, I run accross this thing, which is waiting to be completed for several years now:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0526.jpg)

This is a old Revell kit, I wonder what to do from it ...

Fill the holes fore & aft of the cockpit and remove the "aircrew" mouldings.

Add a few lumps and bumps and a few antenna.

And you get the largest mother of all UAV's
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 26, 2012, 09:52:04 am
....and replace those smokey and fuel thirsty J-47s with a couple of CF6s. (other large turbofans are available....)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Gondor on June 26, 2012, 10:21:37 am
You could scaleorama it as a smaller UAV if you wanted to.....

Gondor
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Rheged on June 26, 2012, 12:15:50 pm
....and replace those smokey and fuel thirsty J-47s with a couple of CF6s. (other large turbofans are available....)

Perhaps a pair of Trents?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: bobbo on June 26, 2012, 02:10:28 pm
Scale - O - Rama??

bobbo
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Martin H on June 26, 2012, 02:45:47 pm
Scale - O - Rama??

bobbo

turn it into something that is not its original scale :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on July 29, 2012, 03:25:59 am
Back from my vacation, I even found the box of this old Revel kit:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 29.07.2012 11-55-10.jpg)

So what to build form it?

It will be the sole prototype of the Boeing B-47 APB, which was operational in July 1972 in South East Asia - but more about the backgorund story later....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 29.07.2012 11-55-35.jpg)

Right now, I closed all window holes, added putty and now the sanding fun beginns....
Title: 1000x1000x1000?
Post by: sequoiaranger on July 29, 2012, 08:48:00 am
>Scale - O - Rama---turn it into something that is not its original scale??<

One of my projects that got canned when I sold off most of my boxed collection was one of those "Luft '46" concept planes that were drawing-board-only. Called the "1000x1000x1000" aircraft (1000 kg bomb-load, 1000 km range, 1000 kph speed) in the "German Jet Genesis" book (P.63), it looked *REMARKABLY* like a scaled-down B-47 (shoulder-wing, wing/stabilizers all swept, underslung engines, etc.). I was going to take that old Revell who-knows-what-scale kit and put 1/72 engines from a couple of Ar-234's on it, and of course make a proper cockpit for it.

If I can dredge up the concept drawing I will post it here for "inspiration". Aha! Found it!

(http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv173/sequoiaranger/Fw-1000Projekt-m.jpg)

PS--a purported wingspan of 41 feet seems RIDICULOUSLY small (about the same as an Me-262!!) for a *MEDIUM* bomber--my whif would have been...dunno, but whatever the box-scale B-47 came out to be in 1/72-scale dimensions!!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 05, 2012, 06:01:46 am
Now removed the engines, some putty and sanding plus the first camo color on it

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 05.08.2012 15-06-28.jpg)

The model will return in the airbrush cabin later today...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 12, 2012, 02:22:58 am
Three of the four colors for the camp painting are now added. Black will be added later today.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 12.08.2012 11-25-39.jpg)

This is the single prototype of the Boeing B-47 APB (Advanced Precision Bombing) which was used over Vietnam in July 1972. But as those test were not that effective, further tests were cancelled....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on August 13, 2012, 03:28:56 am
Looking good
Title: What do you have in mind...
Post by: sequoiaranger on August 13, 2012, 09:27:55 am
...for the tail and nose (tail un-painted, and nose just the one base color?), and "cockpit"?

Yes, looking good so far!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 14, 2012, 10:03:17 pm
The tail is now black, like the lower part of the fuselage. I have not decided yet if the nosw will be in brown only or if some green will be added later to it, have to see how this will look like.
The cockpit will be very basic, don't know if there will be any interiour at all.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 15.08.2012 06-54-08.jpg)

Sadly a few spots of the color got removed when remogin the tape, have to fix this.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 19, 2012, 01:07:15 am
Most of the paint job is now done.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 19.08.2012 09-56-46.jpg)

As the model has no landing gear at all, I have to put it on a stand.

I am now looking in my spare part box to see if I can find something to be used a a laser target pod....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Cobra on August 19, 2012, 01:20:44 am
Great Work :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: has an Almost 'Thunderbirds' feel to it! Keep up the Great Work :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 21, 2012, 11:32:55 am
While working on some additional pods for the B-47 APB....

NöNö Bärs Flugwerft has just finished a Junkers Ju 86:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 19.08.2012 09-49-18.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 19.08.2012 09-53-04.jpg)

It's an old Italieri kit, build out-of-the-box. Only the decals had to be replaced as the original ones were not usable at all.
It's not really a what-if, but at least the markings are those of a bomber used in Russia in 1942 - when the Ju 86 was not operating as a bomber anymore.
The other plane in the back is an old Frog Do-17 kit.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on August 22, 2012, 07:11:29 am
Nice Ju 86
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 26, 2012, 02:41:09 am
The B-47 APB is now getting its glossy finish before the decals are added.

The laser & sensor pods are done now, so it should be completed soon.

Sensor pod:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 26.08.2012 11-37-18.jpg)

Laser pod:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 26.08.2012 11-37-26.jpg)


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 26, 2012, 04:42:14 am
With those AAMs mounted under the inboard engine pairs, where are you going to put the balancer wheels?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 26, 2012, 04:49:29 am
With those AAMs mounted under the inboard engine pairs, where are you going to put the balancer wheels?

Hmm, good point... as the kit has no langing gear at all, it seems as if my engeers have missed something..... So the B-47 has to retrun to the Flugwerft again....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 26, 2012, 04:58:23 am
Perhaps fold them flat into the wing undersufaces, where there's space? That's what Boeing did with the later B-52.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 02, 2012, 07:25:10 am
Now that the B-47 is completed, the next plane is under construction in NöNöBär's Flugwerft:

A Heinkel He280 jet fighter, in a hypothetical Luftwaffe Jagdstaffel in late 1940, early 1941.
The He 280 was the first jet fighter build in Gemrany, flown under jet power about one year before the Me 262.  9 prototypes were build, none of them used operational.

The kit (Huma model)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 19.08.2012 09-59-45.jpg)

First parts put together
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 26.08.2012 11-38-08.jpg)

First color
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 02.09.2012 16-03-10.jpg)



Title: Germany's P-59?
Post by: sequoiaranger on September 02, 2012, 07:53:56 am
The He-280 is an excellent subject! I liken it to our (US) later P-59 Aircomet---a competent but not outstanding aircraft. A "starter" jet fighter.

Maybe instead of He-100's as a "propaganda fighter" to fool Allied intelligence....!

I had no idea there was an injection-mold He-280 on the market. I made a He-280 whif long ago from an old resin job, and "lightened" the rear fuselage and tail by using a Vac-form version. I'll share photos of that later, once you are done with yours.
Title: Re: Germany's P-59?
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 02, 2012, 10:04:38 am
I had no idea there was an injection-mold He-280 on the market.

There probably isn't now, as Huma went bust a few years ago AFAIK. They made some pretty good stuff, mostly German models obviously, and they went together well. I hope someone bought the moulds and will eventually re-pop them.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 05, 2012, 11:49:52 pm
It's the first Huma model I build, the quality is ok so far. Huma had made several intersting exprimental aircraft and prototypes like the Ju 287, Messerschmitt P1011 the FA 223 and others, but sometimes they are a bit difficult to find.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 08, 2012, 11:49:09 pm
A little progress o the He 280.

Due to technical problems (airbrush set did not work as it should) and time shortages (boss -> office -> overtime....  :banghead: ) ony the wings are painted with the final camo

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 09.09.2012 08-46-42.jpg)

Camo looks better on it than the prototype-gray it had in real life.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on September 09, 2012, 01:53:10 am
I don't think I've seen an He 280 in camoflage ? Looking forward to this
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 23, 2012, 03:21:29 am
Next steps for the He280

Most of the camo painting is done now, and after some little problems, the new airbrush worked ok.
And I learned that I should not spill the color over the airbrush cabin......  :banghead:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 23.09.2012 12-18-22.jpg)




Title: Flugwerft Progress
Post by: sequoiaranger on September 23, 2012, 08:15:04 am
That He-280 is looking good! Keep going!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 30, 2012, 02:29:44 am
Model is now painted and some glossy finish on it to prepare it for the decals.
First time I tried a bit of weathering on it, not perfect but not too bad at all as well :)

The basic model has been modifed with a drop tank, as the oringial range of the He280 was even less than the one of the Me109E.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 30.09.2012 11-36-26.jpg)




Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on September 30, 2012, 02:59:13 am
Can't wait for the markings to go on
Title: He-280
Post by: sequoiaranger on September 30, 2012, 08:04:02 am
Ya got it to sit on its nose!

Looks beautiful!

The He-280 wingplan is SO FAMILIAR!

I used the He-280 wings on my "He-113", but they *DO* look good with its "original" fuselage!!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: dumaniac on October 01, 2012, 03:10:19 am
great stuff
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 07, 2012, 12:58:20 am
Now that the He280 is completed, see http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35894.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35894.0.html), something small as the next project while I am waiting for some other material.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 07.10.2012 10-02-39.jpg)

Obviously a B17, but it should be build a a captured plane, used by the Luftwaffe KG200. Plus I will try something new for painting it.

Ah and yes, on the pic, there is my friend  Scratch Bear who will help me with this one......  ;D



Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 14, 2012, 06:16:28 am
Camo painting on the B17 is mostly done, some parts still have to be correctd a bit.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 14.10.2012 15-23-07.jpg)

I - ahm, no, Scratch Bear -  uses the typical yellow paint under the wings as it was used on many captured allied planes which were tested or used by the Luftwaffe.





Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 21, 2012, 07:42:10 am
Worked a bit on the captured B17, and tried the hairspray method on it. Ok, it worked somehow but not exactly as good as it did on a test model I tried before.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 21.10.2012 16-48-47.jpg)



Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 21, 2012, 07:46:32 am
And while still working on the B17, a non-What-if got completed today:

A Junkers Ju 52/3m with D-AQUI registration. This is part of my Lufthansa 1930s collection.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 21.10.2012 16-41-16.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel 21.10.2012 16-45-43.jpg)

The D-AQUI is still flying today as a historic Lufthansa plane. You can book flights with it (mostly in Germany, but some in other euopean contries as well), which I did two years ago. And this is really cool, especially the sound of those three engines.  ;D


Title: Aqui
Post by: sequoiaranger on October 21, 2012, 10:30:30 am
That Ju 52 is just BEAUTIFUL! Funny that the call letters spell "here" in Spanish!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 21, 2012, 10:45:16 am
Thx.

Here some pics form the original.....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0016.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0052.jpg)

Sadly weather was not the best during the flight.

Btw, the original plane now has three bladed propellors due to noise restrictions. The enignes are from P&W and not the original BMWs anymore. And a nice story - as the original tyres are not made anymore, it now has some Airbus typres below it. Those tyres are allowed to run at a higher speed than the old Ju is able to fly...  :o
Title: Little German Flags
Post by: sequoiaranger on October 21, 2012, 12:03:32 pm
I noticed on the tail of the "real" Ju-52 a tiny German flag--I think I have a pair of such small flags that you could have to put on your model if you like.  POSSIBLY the little German flags I have are "slanted" as part of a series of United Nations flags going on a jet. Lemme know if you are interested and I will look for them.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on October 22, 2012, 07:31:16 am
Lovely Ju 52
Title: Re: Little German Flags
Post by: nönöbär on October 22, 2012, 11:05:08 pm
I noticed on the tail of the "real" Ju-52 a tiny German flag--I think I have a pair of such small flags that you could have to put on your model if you like.  POSSIBLY the little German flags I have are "slanted" as part of a series of United Nations flags going on a jet. Lemme know if you are interested and I will look for them.

Hmmm, now that you say it... I think I have some of those flags left somewhere....  Of course the Ju only has this flags (and the CD-CDLH registration) today, in the 30s, it did't had them :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 04, 2012, 03:45:48 am
NöNö Bär started something new:

What's the idea bedind it?
At the end of WW2, several aircraft projects were ongoing at the Junkers company. One of them was the Ju-EF 132, a large six engined jet bomber. This one was already build as a wooden mockup. After the war, the Soviets continued the work in the Dessau Junkers factury on several projects (like the Ju 287 with forward sweept wings), until most of the staff and tools were brought to the Soviet Union.
There, construction work continued and an imrpoved version of the Ju 287 made several test flights. Design work also continued on the EF 132, but it was never build. But some of the research work was used on other Soviet bomber projekts lke the Tu-16, which showed some of the characteristics of the oringinal EF 132 design.

So now, lets take a Trumpeter 1:144 scale Tu-16 and make an Junkers EF-132T1-6 out of it....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleMode20121104133018.jpg)

Some work on the hull has been made already some old Airfix 1:72 scale HS-293 glide bombs will be transformed in the bigger HS-393 (which are surprisingly twice the size....)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on November 05, 2012, 07:11:27 am
This will be interesting
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 11, 2012, 08:16:49 am
Only little process on the Junkers EF-132T1-6 as I am waiting for some color to be deliverd.

In the meantime, I continued on the HS-393 rocket propelled bombs and the cockpit windows
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121111180328.jpg)

As the bomber should be used for long range strike mission, a big drop tank is required when the aircraft is carrying the HS-393 due to the increased drag. So I added a mount for the drop tank at the centerline.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121111180334.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 18, 2012, 04:10:15 am
Colors have arrived, so I could do some paint work now:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121118141220.jpg)
First color of the camo scheme is now added, plus the light blue on the lower part of the hull (not visible right now)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121118141230.jpg)
Lower part of the wing, the mountings for the Hs 393 are added and the bombs added testwise. I think it needs some really skilled pilots to get the Junkers EF-132T1-6 into the air, as the bombs are very close to the ground...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on November 19, 2012, 08:20:03 am
Coming along nicely
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 25, 2012, 05:14:47 am
It now starts to begin to look like an aircraft:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121125151616.jpg)

Paint job is done besides some minor corrections. But now I found out that the Hs 393 do not fit below the wings.  :banghead: Thought I had tested it correctly. So I now have ot make some modified Hs 393b which are not so high at all.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on November 26, 2012, 07:20:39 am
Suits that colour scheme
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 27, 2012, 07:40:21 am
Lovely. Soviet designs of the 50ies and 60ies have a huge Luft '46 potential - personally, though, I find the Tu-16 is still too close to the real thing, despite the Luftwaffe markings? But I love the overall idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 27, 2012, 10:37:15 pm
Lovely. Soviet designs of the 50ies and 60ies have a huge Luft '46 potential - personally, though, I find the Tu-16 is still too close to the real thing, despite the Luftwaffe markings? But I love the overall idea  :thumbsup:

Well, the Junkers EF-132T1-6 will only be a slightly modified compared to the Tu-16 - I am still in the warming up pahase to get back into model building again....  ;D
But the next model will have some more radical changes....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 02, 2012, 04:53:49 am
Everything has been painted and put on its place so far:


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121202144018.jpg)
Uppder side


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121202144040.jpg)
Lower side

Two Hs 393 and a huge drop tank have been added.
Right now I am looking for the decals (where have I placed them) and the final finish on it.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on December 02, 2012, 07:04:39 am
Very cool. The aeroplane does look right at home in those colours !

 :drink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 16, 2012, 01:17:48 am
Now that the Junkers bomber is done, something small for the rest of the year.

Its just a test model to try a camo painting - hypothetical air wing on board of the Graf Zeppelin carrier. I saw some options for the camo, so I want to try the different alternatives before doing the "real" models for it.

Here we go:

This will be the model, a very basic Frog kit
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleMode20121104133120.jpg)

Progress so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121111180406.jpg)

Would be a quite untypical plane for a German carrier....


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 18, 2012, 10:58:05 pm
Most of the painting is done now, so the Corsiar looks like this:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121118141652.jpg)

Two different grays for the camo pattern and light gray on the lower hull parts. The alternatives I want to test on other models is exhange the lower hull gray with light blue and as a second alternative to use a standard green camo for the camo scheme.

Decals and final finish are next.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Logan Hartke on December 18, 2012, 11:04:10 pm
Very neat.  Did you see the Graf schemes I did some time ago?

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542263.html#msg542263 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542263.html#msg542263)
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542418.html#msg542418 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542418.html#msg542418)

They're all based on either actual schemes or schemes I've seen others put forward for the role.  Since my hypothetical Ju 187 would have been a bomber, I gave it the full splinter in most cases instead of the half usually seen on fighters.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 22, 2012, 02:45:09 am
Very neat.  Did you see the Graf schemes I did some time ago?

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542263.html#msg542263 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542263.html#msg542263)
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542418.html#msg542418 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20962.msg542418.html#msg542418)

They're all based on either actual schemes or schemes I've seen others put forward for the role.  Since my hypothetical Ju 187 would have been a bomber, I gave it the full splinter in most cases instead of the half usually seen on fighters.

Cheers,

Logan
Nice drawings, could give some new ideas..... but wait, I have to build the carrier wing for the Graf Zeppelin first.

The Corsair is now completed:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20121125152152.jpg)

A bit more about its "history" is here http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,36256.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,36256.0.html)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on December 23, 2012, 02:04:48 am
Now that looks neat  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 31, 2013, 04:23:24 am
While concentrating on the Graf Zeppelin carrier, a small non-whatif just left NöNö Bär's Flugwerft:

A Mastercraft Mig21 with Czech markings. On the photos it looks more gray than aluminium, a bit strange.  :unsure:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130331132412.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130331132450.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130331132602.jpg)

The kit was quite basic, but you cannot complain for the price (<5€). I was surprised that the decals were quite good.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: jorel62 on March 31, 2013, 04:57:18 am
Nice job.....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 07, 2013, 01:27:03 am
Another one is just finished at the Flugwerft, something for vmy Lufthansa 1930s collection.

A little Junkers F-13, the first all metal passenger plane for 4 passengers. Must have been some kind of intersting travelling at that time.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130407101956.jpg)

Its a Revell kit, but this is just a repack of the old GDR Pasticart kit. I have some ideas for What-Ifs for the Lufthasa 1930s series, but I am still searching for some material for that.

In the meantime, the next thing will be something for the Luftaffe 1980s-2000.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Army of One on April 07, 2013, 01:50:44 am
Lovely work on them kits
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on April 08, 2013, 07:46:37 am
Lovely work on them kits

Agreed
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 27, 2013, 06:29:28 am
In the meantime, I got something new to start with here:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130427153044.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130427153136.jpg)

It will be mostly build OOB, but I will choose a different operator and color scheme
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 12, 2013, 08:30:43 am
The Mirage has got its first paint today:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130512174104.jpg)

In the meantime, another test model is coming along with most of the paint already done:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130512174034.jpg)

This Me262T is one of the testmodels to find a good German WW2 Naval Aviation Camo scheme. I guess its clear that the "T" is about....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on May 13, 2013, 07:30:05 am
That Mirage without a random makes me wonder what one with a chin intake (a-la A7) would look like ? And no I'm not building it, it's got no prop  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 13, 2013, 10:05:21 am
That Mirage without a random makes me wonder what one with a chin intake (a-la A7) would look like ? And no I'm not building it, it's got no prop  ;D

I fear the answer to this is question - where is the random - is pretty boring: It will be painted in a different color, therefore I have added it before airbrushing the rest....  ;D
This one will more or less ony a "repaint" job
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on May 14, 2013, 07:15:04 am
This one will more or less ony a "repaint" job

That accounts for 95% of my modelling  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 19, 2013, 04:38:35 am
The Mirage F1 now got its color and its made a bit "dirty"  ;D

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130519134312.jpg)

A few details, weapons, tanks and decals are missing and will be next.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 09, 2013, 09:15:36 am
Now again something in 1:144, this will get a model for the KG200 collection, not too hard to guess what it will be

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130609181854.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 23, 2013, 08:14:58 am
Some progress on the little B-24. Too bad that I found out that I have added not enough weight to the nose  :banghead:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130623165522.jpg)

Have to see how I can fix that....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 23, 2013, 01:56:28 pm
Some progress on the little B-24. Too bad that I found out that I have added not enough weight to the nose  :banghead:

Always a problem with B-24s in any scale. I ballast the engines as well as the nose.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 30, 2013, 09:29:03 am
As I could not add enough weight to the nose/engines, I had to switch to Plan B:

A little service vehicle at the end of the B24 with some hydraulic lifters - in order to make some kind of maintenance work. Something like that. The vehicle is still WIP, but at least, the aircraft is now standing as it should:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130630184626.jpg)

Construction will not stop for three weeks because of my summer vacation  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: rickshaw on July 02, 2013, 02:05:01 am
In real life, they often had to use a small prop to hold the tail up after all the crew had left the cabin.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 25, 2013, 06:53:50 am
I started something new today:

An old Matchbox A-4 kit from the mid 1970s. This one will be build as-it-is, but it will get a what-if paint job:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130811170225.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130825160236.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 01, 2013, 07:39:34 am
Typical for the old matchbox kits are the two different colors of the plastic parts (and the bigger models even had three colors :)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130831081016.jpg)

The pilot is already painted and in place
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130831081022.jpg)

The model after airbrushing the first two colors. One is still missing. The exciting part comes when all the tape is removed - did the camo work as it should?
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130901164616.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 08, 2013, 02:47:51 am
Something non-whatif just got completed today, a Junkers Ju 86 Passenger plane. The Ju 86 was build as a bomber and a passenger plane as many German designs in the 1930s. It was operated by the Lufthansa, Switzerland and South Africa.
This is part my "Lufthansa 1930s" collection:

The Ju 86:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130908114832.jpg)

The complete colelction:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130908115146.jpg)

The civilian and bomber versions side-by-side
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130908115410.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: kitbasher on September 08, 2013, 02:51:27 am
That realy is a very attrative set of builds.  Very well done indeed.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on September 08, 2013, 09:23:15 pm
I love the look of that old Matchbox A-4 first assembled......for me, those were the days ! Modeling for pure fun and they just looked right......especially in two-colours  :thumbsup:

Look forward to seeing more.

 :cheers:

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 08, 2013, 10:47:01 pm
I love the look of that old Matchbox A-4 first assembled......for me, those were the days ! Modeling for pure fun and they just looked right......especially in two-colours  :thumbsup:

When I was a kid, the only model I could get in the small vilage I lived were the Matchbox ones. so I had a lot of them - none of them painted, so I remember those two or three colored ones quite good.

Anyway, the A-4 now has its cammo on:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130908114700.jpg)

Too bad that some of the smaller parts seem to be lost, I fear the vaccuem cleaner was too close to the contstruction site... :banghead:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 09, 2013, 01:41:46 am
Ah, the picture was taken against the sunlight - it is hard to tell anything...  :-\
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on September 09, 2013, 04:08:07 am
Looks RNZAF ?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 22, 2013, 08:34:03 am
I started something new today. This time it will be a "make-one-out-of-three" model. Plus some stuff from the parts box.

To start with, here are the thre kits:


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130922173712.jpg)

Its on PM-Model TA-154 and two Revell Me 262. The result will be the TA-254, an enhaced version of the original TA-154. A heavy night fighter.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Gondor on September 22, 2013, 10:12:13 am
Oddly I have the exact same Revell Me 262 on my desk for a "quick" kit bash project I have in mind. This one will be a little different though.

Gondor

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on September 22, 2013, 02:10:04 pm
Interesting....

 :drink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: dumaniac on September 23, 2013, 01:01:23 am
nice collection of ww2 builds
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: James on September 23, 2013, 02:24:03 am
Those JU-86s are great.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 29, 2013, 04:52:35 am
Here is a first idea, how the TA-154 will be converted into the TA-254:

-replace the piston engines with four turbo jets
-reduce the size of the old engine montings and put a 3,7mm heavy AA gun into it
-give it a nightfighter color scheme
-> a very heavy nightfighter.

The Ta-154 was knonw that the pilot had a quite bad visiability to the sides, I fear for the Ta-254, it will not get better at all.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130929132452.jpg)

I took one of the leftover Me262s to make a quick&dirty testmodel for the color scheme

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20130929132552.jpg)

It should work on the Ta-254 as well.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 06, 2013, 05:23:20 am
Not so much visible progress, but the engines and gun mounts are prepared for painting

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131006143626.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Father Ennis on October 06, 2013, 12:13:56 pm
Just my 2¢ worth, but I think you should stretch the wings to give more space for the engines. They look too cramped,to me. Either that or just give it four jet engines. 
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 06, 2013, 10:38:54 pm
Just my 2¢ worth, but I think you should stretch the wings to give more space for the engines. They look too cramped,to me. Either that or just give it four jet engines. 

I know, I am still not totally satisfied with adding the old engin pods. Still have not decided if I will finally add them or not.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: dumaniac on October 08, 2013, 01:41:55 am
I do seem to recall an image on the web somewhere for a 4 jumo-ed 262 - just try an 'image' search
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 13, 2013, 06:28:42 am
I made some changes to the planned Ta-254:

- The old engine pods will be removed -> only the four jets under the wing
- As the engine pods hosted the landing gear, it will get a central line landing gear with small aux wheels on the wingtips (like the B-47 or Baaade 152)
- No big-punch 3,7 mm guns, but maybe something different, have to see whats left in the spare parts box

Additional pods in the wingtips for the aux wheels, the final position of the engines is not fixed yet
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131013152048.jpg)

Central wheel opening and prepared landing gear
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131013152146.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on October 14, 2013, 09:26:40 am
Wow ! That is cool ! Love the look of that one....I want to pick it up and start flying it around !

 :drink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 27, 2013, 08:45:08 am
Now that I finally got the missing colors, I could continue with the Ta-254.

The four jet engines are aded to the wings:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131027173810.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131027173724.jpg)

With a night fighter camo, everything is painted in black first. Next will be some gray to the upper side.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: dumaniac on October 28, 2013, 04:09:34 am
just a suggestion - I use one part red with 2 parts black to make a dull black brown (it looks black until you put black on it) - then you can highlight with black on panel lines and ailerons - if you are into that sort of thing

it stops the black looking so plain

either way - black birds look great - i did a me 262 with extended wings and fuse in black - it looks really mean
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on October 28, 2013, 08:31:46 am
That looks good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 29, 2013, 08:35:30 am
just a suggestion - I use one part red with 2 parts black to make a dull black brown (it looks black until you put black on it) - then you can highlight with black on panel lines and ailerons - if you are into that sort of thing

it stops the black looking so plain

either way - black birds look great - i did a me 262 with extended wings and fuse in black - it looks really mean

Thanks for the hint, I will test this for another model. For this one, its too late now as I continued with the paint job.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 29, 2013, 09:29:43 am
Interesting - looking forward to see more, esp. with the landing gear in place  ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 01, 2013, 09:08:30 am
While the Ta-254 is still in the airbrush cabin, something else just got finished today:

A small Yak-15. This is a very simply (<20 parts) PM-Model kit which I still had on my stockpile. Played a bit with enhancing the cockpit, but is is not very visable on the photos.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131101180950.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131101181000.jpg)

This one was airbrushed with Revel Aqua Color and I tried to let it look a bit "used"
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 02, 2013, 05:56:45 am
News from the Ta-254:


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131101181634.jpg)

Light gray top and camo added. Now lets continue with correcting some airbrush outtakes and add the missing parts. Next will be the landing gear.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on November 02, 2013, 06:53:06 am
Nice little Yak
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2013, 12:50:27 pm
That Yak-15 is a surprisingly good little kit, but somewhat detail less of course. Yours looks darn good, especially the weathering.  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 03, 2013, 03:20:21 am
The TA-254 is now standing on its own legs ... wheels:


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131103130532.jpg)

On the other side, a few more parts have been added:
- Landing gear (obviously)
- Some boosters for takeoff (even if there is no Kerbal inside....  ;D )
- Two unguides air-to-air missles

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131103130550.jpg)

Still have to think about the nae, the Ta-154 had the nickname "Moskito" (like the British nighfighter), so I have to think about something similar for the Ta-254.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 03, 2013, 04:40:16 am
Kanberra?  ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Slerski on November 04, 2013, 11:20:44 am
Leinkäster  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 10, 2013, 08:33:30 am
I guess "Steckmücke" will be a good name, which is more or less the same as Moskito.

After I had a little desater at plane nose when trying to add the Funkmess antennas, I had to rebuild it and had to fin another location for the radar antennas.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131110183012.jpg)

The aux wheels at the wingtips are also place now. The Funkmess (Radar) is better seen form upside down.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131110183036.jpg)


So I can now look for some decals for it.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: crudebuteffective on November 10, 2013, 10:55:26 am
sehr schon :bow: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Father Ennis on November 10, 2013, 06:35:13 pm
Wicked Kool !!!    :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: lancer on November 11, 2013, 01:13:43 pm
That is seriously cool
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 11, 2013, 10:48:54 pm
Arghhhh  :banghead:

When getting the Ta-254 out of the airbrush cabin, it slipped out of my hand and tried to fly. Which it could not. :angry:
Have to fix the landing gear and antennas again...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 12, 2013, 12:08:45 am
Late to comment on this - looks wicked and marevllous at the same time. Love the weird undercarriage, which is neverthless very plausible due to the engine arrangement.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: zenrat on November 12, 2013, 02:03:29 am
Love the 254.
I'm currently whiffing the Airifx version of this kit which has to be one of the worst fitting i've ever tried to build.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 23, 2013, 05:33:35 am
Started with something new this week, an old Matchbox kit (as a Revel re-release):

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131123151204.jpg)
The lower part is painted already, the upper part will follow

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131123151214.jpg)

This will be build OOB, with a what-if paint style.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: bobbo on November 23, 2013, 06:20:17 am
OOOOOOOO!  I ABSOLUTELY LOVE  Banshees!!

bobbo
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nighthunter on November 23, 2013, 09:26:07 am
OOOOOOOO!  I ABSOLUTELY LOVE  Banshees!!

bobbo

Actually, I think it's a Grumman F9F Panther
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: kitbasher on November 23, 2013, 11:13:07 am
OOOOOOOO!  I ABSOLUTELY LOVE  Banshees!!

bobbo

Actually, I think it's a Grumman F9F Panther

Only in the real world.....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: bobbo on November 23, 2013, 05:02:21 pm
OOOOOOOO!  I ABSOLUTELY LOVE  Banshees!!

bobbo

Actually, I think it's a Grumman F9F Panther

I hate it when you're right . . .  ;) ;)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 24, 2013, 06:43:16 am
You are right, it's a F9F Panther. Next colors are done, so I can start to assemble everything:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131124165948.jpg)

Besides this, something else was rolled out of my hanger today, a quite old Revell kit, no what-if but I wanted to make this one in this color scheme:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131124170210.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PALG on November 28, 2013, 05:29:32 am
OMG, that Luftwaffe Phantom.  Is that the 1:32 ?  Its a little hard to tell.  But it sends me on a time trip to about 1980 when i asked for and received a 'big' model for Christmas, opened the box and my 8 or 9 yr old brain ground to a halt.  It was that kit. Thankfully my father built and painted it and it looked...exactly like that.  it hung above my bed for years nearby the 1:32 Bf-109 he made made in his late teens in the 50s (which I have still, wrapped in tissue paper; best model i have ever seen.)  I had the Phantom model for quite a  long time and it was a seriously good kit; solid, fitted and held together very well.

None of which relates to your project - sorry. but modelling websites occassionally cause attacks like this when one sees others' old kits. 

I completely fell for the Steckmucke - just awesome.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on November 28, 2013, 08:23:47 am
OMG, that Luftwaffe Phantom.  Is that the 1:32 ?  Its a little hard to tell.  But it sends me on a time trip to about 1980 when i asked for and received a 'big' model for Christmas, opened the box and my 8 or 9 yr old brain ground to a halt.  It was that kit. Thankfully my father built and painted it and it looked...exactly like that.  it hung above my bed for years nearby the 1:32 Bf-109 he made made in his late teens in the 50s (which I have still, wrapped in tissue paper; best model i have ever seen.)  I had the Phantom model for quite a  long time and it was a seriously good kit; solid, fitted and held together very well.

None of which relates to your project - sorry. but modelling websites occassionally cause attacks like this when one sees others' old kits. 

I completely fell for the Steckmucke - just awesome.

The Phantom is in 1/72 and the box of this model was from the 1980s. Don't know how old this kit actually is, but I was surprised that it fitted quite good, so there was not so much putty and sanding required.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 01, 2013, 04:53:58 am
The Panther is now painted. A glossy finish is sprayed on it in preperation of adding the decals. Which I am searching now for.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131201143500.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 07, 2013, 07:20:58 am
Now that the Panther is finished, lets start something new.
This time, a "Make one out of two", where I will use the following kits:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131201143746.jpg)

The B-47 is from Academy, the B-29 from Minicraft, both in 1:144.

And the result will be a bomber - at least I hope so.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 07, 2013, 11:47:49 am
Six burning and four turning?  ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 08, 2013, 01:40:44 am
Six burning and four turning?  ;)

Well, definitly four burning. and if I get it right, two others burning and turning....

For a start, the nose of the former B-47 hull is cut off. And the one of the B29 as well.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131207154628.jpg)

So, both have to be combined...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Cobra on December 08, 2013, 01:57:01 am
This si starting to Look Cool. why do i get the Feeling this Could be a 'GA' Project coming up? Hope to see more from You. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 08, 2013, 10:17:41 pm
A little progress: The cockpit section is now attached to the rest of the fuselage. I first wanted to add it directly to the rest of the aircraft, but this way, the shape of the plane looks "better". Still looks a bit "open", but the gap will be closed next


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131207195854.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 10, 2013, 10:11:49 pm
The "gap" is now covered with some paper.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131208124536.jpg)

 I first wanted to fill it up completly with putty, but I think its better to add a layer of thin plasitc sheets first, otherwise the putty layer would be too thick.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on December 11, 2013, 07:22:25 am
I first wanted to fill it up completly with putty, but I think its better to add a layer of thin plasitc sheets first, otherwise the putty layer would be too thick.

Agree with you, it's best to have the plastic sheet  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on December 11, 2013, 08:18:22 am
This is looking so cool ! Great stuff so far !

 :tornado:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 11, 2013, 10:08:07 pm
So, I added some plastic stripes to it that is about to have the right diameter.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131210085256.jpg)

And I hear someone shouting "putty and sanding " now - I fear there is no way around this.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Cobra on December 11, 2013, 10:50:58 pm
Agree with Captain Canada :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Have You got a Name for Your Awesome looking Bomber Yet? Would You be Willing to consider Names? Keep up the Superb Work :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Dan
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 14, 2013, 05:39:34 am
Regarding the name, I already have an idea for it. Actually I think it will be a "Me 247".

I now added putty and a lot of sanding & correcting is done right now

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131211220638.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nighthunter on December 14, 2013, 06:00:01 pm
Just an FYI, Boeing had a passenger Liner called the 247, so, how about Me-347?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 15, 2013, 07:54:47 am
Just an FYI, Boeing had a passenger Liner called the 247, so, how about Me-347?

I know the boeing 247, I have a model of it somewhere around here. The Lufthansa used two of them in the 1930s, and I want to build it as part of my 1930s Lufthansa collection.

Back to the bomber, the nose now looks almost done (regarding the sanding at least):

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174224.jpg)

And a bit more about the engine layout

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174218.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Old Wombat on December 15, 2013, 08:44:37 am
Don't want to go all JMN on you but wouldn't it be better to have the twin-mounted engines inboard, where their mass would put less stress on the wings, with the lighter single engines outboard? :-\

:cheers:

Guy
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 15, 2013, 09:39:26 am
Don't want to go all JMN on you but wouldn't it be better to have the twin-mounted engines inboard, where their mass would put less stress on the wings, with the lighter single engines outboard? :-\

:cheers:

Guy
Normally I would agree, the single engines outside like the B-47 had. But as I want to modify them to turboprops, it makes more sense to put them as the inner engines. The twin-mounted ones will get a bit more inside anyway.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Father Ennis on December 15, 2013, 08:45:19 pm
Great concept !!!   :wub:  Have you ever considered making your engines pushers ?   I was thinking leave the front pretty much alone and then have your turbo props mounted out the back.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 15, 2013, 10:11:13 pm
Great concept !!!   :wub:  Have you ever considered making your engines pushers ?   I was thinking leave the front pretty much alone and then have your turbo props mounted out the back.

Intersting Idea....  :cheers:
Have to see, as I still want to try some alternatives for the engines. If nothing works as it should, I can always go back to the original B-47 layout.

Anyway, something different now: I always wanted to have a little diorama stand for making photos, to make them a bit "nicer". So here is my first try - taking some stuff form the model train, a resin base and some parts form the spare parts box:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174312.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174448.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174458.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174508.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174544.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131215174556.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2013, 02:06:14 am
That's one BIG old spanner (wrench....) that the guy by the nosewheel is holding! Or is he about to bash something with it?  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on December 16, 2013, 02:46:13 am
Nice work on the mini diorama base
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: zenrat on December 16, 2013, 11:03:05 pm
That's one BIG old spanner (wrench....) that the guy by the nosewheel is holding! Or is he about to bash something with it?  ;D

Looks like a big C spanner to adjust the swivel flange thrust pivot bearing clearance.

I think the pilot is thinking "start the starboard engine...wait for it...wait for it...NOW!"

Very good.  Adds that little extra to a build.  Must do something similar myself.


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on December 17, 2013, 08:51:08 pm
The big bomber is looking awesome.....I like where that is going !

Great work on the dio base. I noticed that giant 'wrench' as well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 17, 2013, 10:20:19 pm
The big bomber is looking awesome.....I like where that is going !

Great work on the dio base. I noticed that giant 'wrench' as well  :thumbsup:

It seems the big wrench is liked a lot.
If you cannot fix it with it, you can smash it  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on December 22, 2013, 07:52:28 am
With the end-of-December-madness in the office (and Christmas preperations), there was ot much time to work on the Me-247 bomber.

Work started on the cockpit and the engines are mostly finished. The inner ones will be turpoprops, the outer one jet engines.
The plane should get five twin gun turrets, two on the upper side, two on the lower side and one on the back.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131222175028.jpg)


My best engineer packed his staff and now left for this chirstmas vaccation. He said that the goes skiing in the Austrian Alps. So the Flugwerft reopens in early 2014.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20131222175822.jpg)

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on December 23, 2013, 07:13:06 am
Have a good Holiday
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Father Ennis on December 23, 2013, 11:13:35 am
Have a Merry Christmas and a Very Happy New Year ... !!!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on January 12, 2014, 07:41:20 am
Back from the winter vacation (without any broken legs or arms....), some desperatly needed colors have arrived, so I could add the first color to the Me 247:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140112175546.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on January 12, 2014, 02:53:43 pm
Really digging the engine layout on this one....keep up the great work ! Glad to hear the crew is back from vacation and ready to work !

 :tornado:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on January 19, 2014, 07:18:49 am
The Me 247 now almost lookes like a plane now: Turboprops and jet endinges are added, camo paint is mostely donel. The four gun turrets are added as well.
Some smaller parts have to be fixed where some paint was removed when I removed the masking tape.
The color scheme is a typical German WW2 bomber style with two green colors on the top and a light blue on the lower side.


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140119171534.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140119171542.jpg)

Landing gear and gear doors are next.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on January 19, 2014, 08:00:14 am
Looking good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on January 26, 2014, 05:50:08 am
The landing gear has now been added to the Me 247 bomber:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140126152244.jpg)

I am now working on the small aux gears mounted below the jet engines now. The nose is still missing and I am waiting for the decals to arrive here.



Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on January 26, 2014, 12:30:48 pm
That is looking awesome !

 :tornado:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on February 09, 2014, 08:20:04 am
After the Me-247 something more modern is about to start:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140202174836.jpg)

This time, it will be a "What-If" color schme, as the F-8 fits quite nice to the Graf Zeppeling carrier.
So here is what there is so far:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0592.jpg)

First time to try to pimp the cockpit a bit:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0593.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nighthunter on February 09, 2014, 11:36:01 am
Marine Crusader, not a bad choice considering you've done the A-7 in almost the same scheme.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Father Ennis on February 09, 2014, 01:52:39 pm
The Air Guard used to fly those things over our house in Tulsa all the time. They flew so low that they rattled the house !!!  Over and over again ...   Their planes were done in NATO 3-tone with gray undersides. Much as I hated them flying over I always liked the look of the camo over the lack luster Navy scheme. Just a suggestion ...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nighthunter on February 10, 2014, 01:08:20 am
Ennis, the USAF never operated the F-8, the flew the A-7, lol.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Father Ennis on February 10, 2014, 10:50:47 am
From the ground they look the same ...   And they both make too much noise !!!   LOL!!!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on February 10, 2014, 05:35:36 pm
Nice start ! Love the Crusader and she's going to look awesome !

PS- I think I had built a German Crusader years ago...but it was that awful Fujimi kit that almost kinda sorta looked almost like a Crusader...kinda. :banghead:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on February 23, 2014, 07:18:42 am
Too much work in the office right now, not much time for model building. Therefore only slow progress with the F-8:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140223174138.jpg)

The main hull is put together and ready for paint now
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on February 23, 2014, 07:42:26 am
Too much work in the office right now, not much tim for model building. Therefore only slow progress with the F-8:



Do I remember that, glad I retired early
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 09, 2014, 06:59:02 am
Progress for the F-8 is still very slow, but at least the first paint is now added:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140309161652.jpg)

Upper side will be next

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on March 09, 2014, 07:57:20 am
Looking good ! Love the Crusader....this is gonna be awesome !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Sauragnmon on March 09, 2014, 03:16:52 pm
Always some interesting stuff, looking forward to more.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: McColm on March 09, 2014, 07:04:24 pm
Good builds.
Given me a few ideas.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 16, 2014, 08:27:17 am
The Marineflieger Camo is now added and the plane is standing on its wheels:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140316173408.jpg)




Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 18, 2014, 08:38:50 am
What colors did you use on the Crusader (for RAL 7012 and 7035)? Looks great so far  :thumbsup: - there's a profile of such an aircraft around in the WWW that tempted me to try something similar:

(http://www.airlinebuzz.com/chickenworks/images/F8_Germany77.jpg)

But I eventually ended up with a Super Étendard in more modern wrap-around cammo.

Like this one here, too...

(http://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_08_2012/post-15260-0-58575800-1345659658.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 18, 2014, 11:42:46 pm
What colors did you use on the Crusader (for RAL 7012 and 7035)? Looks great so far  :thumbsup: - there's a profile of such an aircraft around in the WWW that tempted me to try something similar:

(http://www.airlinebuzz.com/chickenworks/images/F8_Germany77.jpg)

Yes, this is how it should look like (more or less). Maybe with a bit more colorful tail, but I am still not sure if this would fir to a Marineflieger plane.
Regarding the colors, I use Revell Aqua Color, so I use Bluegray (79) for the upper part and White (5) for the lower one.

But I eventually ended up with a Super Étendard in more modern wrap-around cammo.

Like this one here, too...

(http://combatace.com/uploads/monthly_08_2012/post-15260-0-58575800-1345659658.jpg)

Oh yes, this one is also sitting around here and waiting to be  build as part of my "Graf Zeppelin Air Wing" Series.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 19, 2014, 12:44:20 am
Regarding the colors, I use Revell Aqua Color, so I use Bluegray (79) for the upper part and White (5) for the lower one.

Thank you - that makes sense with what I saw in the picture, as Revell 79 is rather bluish. 77 would be "correct", but depending on light and weathering those old school Marineflieger aircraft look that way, esp. the Tornados. Did one in a very similar fashion years ago - more elegant than RAL 7012, anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on March 19, 2014, 07:38:15 am
That Buccaneer looks good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on March 19, 2014, 10:22:02 am
Your Crusader is looking awesome ! Nice to see an update.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 19, 2014, 11:29:41 pm
While the F-8 is waiting to be continued, something else left Nönö Bärs Fluggwerft recently. At least, its half a What-if: A Messerschmitt Me 109T.

This was the projects carrier version of the Me 109E wiht enlarged wingspann, tailhook and additional equippment (liferaft etc.).

About 40 of those planes were build in real life, and as they were never used on board of the GZ, they operated at the North Sea coast and in Norway.

In the What-If world, they were on board of the GZ when it was comissioned in mid 1942 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37705.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37705.0.html)) until they were replaced by the edn of 1943.

The model is a Toga kit which was ok to build. The selected color scheme is the one that was given in the instructions and is similar to schemes that were used during the BoB.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140316173930.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140316173936.jpg)

A Me 109T waiting on the flight deck

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140316174244.jpg)

Together with a Me 109E (which was build >20 years ago). You can see the bigger wingspan of the Me 109T here.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140316174436.jpg)

The Graf Zeppelin WW2 Aircraft collection - Me 109T, Fw190 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37766.msg613342.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37766.msg613342.html)), Corsair (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,36256.msg582333.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,36256.msg582333.html)), Me 262T (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37120.msg600517.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,37120.msg600517.html))

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on March 20, 2014, 08:24:48 am
Nice  109 T, you really do see the extended wings in that picture
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on March 20, 2014, 08:41:48 am
Nice work ! I love naval a/c. The GZ is always a neat whif....a real 'I wonder.....' type.

The collection looks good as well. One of them just doesn't fit in tho  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 20, 2014, 09:13:58 am
Nice work ! I love naval a/c. The GZ is always a neat whif....a real 'I wonder.....' type.

The collection looks good as well. One of them just doesn't fit in tho  :thumbsup:

I wonder which one does not fit.... ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 23, 2014, 08:48:27 am
More progress on the F-8, wing has been added and most of the payload is now read (but not added).
Sadly the front wheel has broke off. I hope that the fix will work as the plane is quite nose-heavy (I added too mich wight to the nose)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140323175000.jpg)




Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on March 23, 2014, 09:09:25 am
Really looking the part now !

 :tornado: :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on March 24, 2014, 11:38:19 pm
While I am still fighting with the broken nose landing gear of the F8 (any good ides how to fix that?  :banghead: ), something else left the Flugwerft.

The most horrible kit I have build so far.... The Roden He 111  :wacko:

I had read reports in the web that this model does fit very bad, and yes, it was true. For example, if you try to put the landing gear box in the wings you will see that this thin is simply too high. More than 5mm. So you cannot put the wing together. And the same for the hull itself. Adding the interor, you have no chance to pub both sides together, the parts simply do not fit. So try to avoid this kit, I guess the bomber versions are the same bad quality.

Anyway, even if it was close that this place flew out of the window, it finally got completed and is now part of the Lufthasa 1930s collection:

About the plane: This is the civilian version of the He 111. 12 of them were ordered by the Lufthansa, but only six of them got into service in 1936.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140323175630.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140323175704.jpg)

All the Aircraft of the Lufthansa 1930s collection (left to right): Junkers F-13, Junkers Ju52 3/m, Heinkel He 111, Heinkel He 70 Blitz, Junkers G23 (Swiss colors), Junkers Ju 86
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/Image1.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on March 25, 2014, 07:52:07 am
Nice Lufthansa collection  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on March 25, 2014, 05:54:42 pm
That looks gorgeous. Sorry to hear it was a bugger to build ! Glad it landed on the table and not out in the street  :thumbsup:

The collection looks awesome, and the 111 makes a great centerpiece !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 09, 2014, 11:50:10 am
Now that the F-8 has been finished, time to start a new What-If.

Something older this time:


So here is what has been made so far....
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140409201340.jpg)

Still a bit to go :)




Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on April 09, 2014, 05:03:11 pm
I was going to guess Dakota, but she looks kinda square like a Tante Ju ?

 :ph34r:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 09, 2014, 10:32:43 pm
I was going to guess Dakota, but she looks kinda square like a Tante Ju ?

 :ph34r:

A quite good guess :)

So actually it is something based on the Ju 52. The plane that most people call "Ju 52" or "Tante Ju" had the offical name "Junkers Ju 52/3m" where 3m stands for "drei Motoren - three engines". There was also a "Junkers Ju 52/1m" - a one engined version of this plane, but only six of them were build. Not surprising as the perfomrance of this plane was not too good.

So now comes the "what-if", if there was a "1m" and a "3m", I guess I have to see how a "2m" would looked like what could be made of it.....

So more to come
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 09, 2014, 11:57:10 pm
Ju 52 was my first guess, too. Reminds me of a whif/conversion project a friend did with a "used" Ju 52/3m, many years ago, though - he turned it into a two-engined luxury fyling boat. The nose engine was omitted and a glass nose installe, the wings went into a shoulder position. No boat hull at all (we were young these days...  :rolleyes:), but it looked VERY conclusive. It even featured a complete new interior, including a glass shower cabin!

Looking forward to see what becomes of yours!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 10, 2014, 03:17:36 am
So now comes the "what-if", if there was a "1m" and a "3m", I guess I have to see how a "2m" would looked like what could be made of it.....

I'm sure Tophe would like to double it to make a "5m".  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 10, 2014, 05:23:14 am

I'm sure Tophe would like to double it to make a "5m".  ;D :lol:

So this would be the "Ju 52 Zwilling"  ;D
Not this time, maybe for another model
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: kitbasher on April 10, 2014, 05:29:23 am
Very pretty Heinkel 111, sir.  :thumbsup:

Ju52/2?  Interesting - different engines?

I did a Junkers JU53A-1 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,33915.msg534632.html#msg534632) a while back, using a 'rescued' built Ford Trimotor; it'd be interesting to put the two together.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 11, 2014, 01:52:42 am
Very pretty Heinkel 111, sir.  :thumbsup:

Ju52/2?  Interesting - different engines?

I did a Junkers JU53A-1 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,33915.msg534632.html#msg534632) a while back, using a 'rescued' built Ford Trimotor; it'd be interesting to put the two together.



Oh, I like the Ju53  :thumbsup:
I think this is a bit in the direction what I want to do with the Ju52/2m. I want to use the pre WW2 cammo (brown/gray/green) not a WW2 style as you used.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 13, 2014, 07:59:09 am
A bit more work on the Ju52/2m:

The interior is almost done, pilots in the cockpit and some of the windows are closed. The remaineing windows will get some additional MGs mounted in there. The mount for the rear gunner is also there (quite good that the Italieri model which I use also contains parts for the military version of the Ju52.

The nose has been cut off - and a modfied nose without an engine will be added

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140413170814.jpg)





Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 21, 2014, 03:20:17 am
After being knocked out by a cold last week, I now could continue with the Ju52/2m.

Pilots are in position and the new nose mount is prepared
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140421113156.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140421113212.jpg)

Four MGs will be mounted in the cabin, one in the nose and another on top of the hull.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on April 21, 2014, 10:26:19 am
Woah ! That looks great ! Lots of guns, love the new nose, and since she has a hull, she'll even be able to float !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on April 27, 2014, 08:11:56 am
Slowly, the parts for the Ju 52/2m come togeter. Its just about attding everything togeter, warm up the airbrush and put on some paint.

This is how it will look like somehow:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140427165354.jpg)

But now have to do a short break - vaccation in Holland is waiting for me  ;D
Maybe my skilled engineer can continue the work next week...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on April 28, 2014, 08:03:16 am
Enjoy the vacation
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on April 28, 2014, 08:38:52 pm
Gonna be a beauty. The nacelles look weird without radials attached !

Enjoy your time off....'see' you soon !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 11, 2014, 08:08:46 am
The new nose has been added to the Ju 52/2m and the first paint has been airbrushed - light blue on the lower side. So not really much visibile of ot on this photo.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140511163552.jpg)

Now the upper side camo can start....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on May 12, 2014, 07:55:11 am
Now it's all coming together  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 17, 2014, 06:05:08 am
While the Ju52/2m is currently in the paint shop, another plane just left NöNö Bärs Flugwerft.

A Mig 23, 1/72 scale, a Hasegawa model. Which was quite good to build. I always liked this plane and wanted to try something different than the usual aluminium paint on russian planes

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140511163018.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140511163052.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140511163104.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140511163202.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nighthunter on May 17, 2014, 07:56:10 am
Beautiful MiG-23!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 18, 2014, 07:19:04 am
The Ju52/2m is now back from the paint shop wiht its early Luftwaffe camo scheme. Does look quite good on this plane to me

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140518164124.jpg)

Now lets start with all the small details.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on May 18, 2014, 08:15:52 am
Nice Mig and the Ju 52 is really coming along nice now  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on May 18, 2014, 08:56:10 pm
Wow ! Great job on both counts ! The Mig looks awesome. I like the dio base and the way the aeroplane and the vehicles keep moving.

The Junkers on the other hand just looks mint ! Great job on the paintwork.....very impressive !

 :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 25, 2014, 08:32:15 am
Well, the construction of the Ju52/2m is coming to its final stages:

Wheels: added
Read gunner: added
Paint job: almost complete

A few details: missing
Decals: missing
Final finish: missing

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140525162932.jpg)

I wonder - should I add some external bomb load or should the plane internal bombs only? I could add a rack under the wings with some smaller bombs would this looking real?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on May 25, 2014, 08:37:23 am
Given the period I would have some small bombs fitted externally. Adds interest as well.

This is looking really good by the way  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on May 30, 2014, 07:38:40 am
I added some 50kg bombs externally:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140530164158.jpg)

Everyting is right on place now, so only the final finish and decals are missing.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: kerick on May 30, 2014, 01:02:04 pm
Nice job!
I couldn't help but think if I want to whiff a vanship from the Last Exile I should use a JU-52 for body panels.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on June 04, 2014, 07:41:48 am
Like where you have put the bombs  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 08, 2014, 05:40:38 am
Something new just finished:

A quite old (early 70s) KP model of a MiG 15 in 1/72. Build OOB, just the decals had to be replaced as the originals were not usable anmore.
The model did not fit taht good, I guess this is where you see the age of the kit.


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140608145506.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140608145542.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140608145552.jpg)

I have a couple of different KP kits around, so I have to see what kint of What-If to make from them.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 15, 2014, 03:41:43 am
Lets start something new, this time it will only be a what-if paintjob.

So, this is where everything starts:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140601181636.jpg)

A really nice kit to build.

And this is how it looks right now, first paint jobs are done
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140615123220.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on June 18, 2014, 04:53:00 pm
Great work as always ! Love the look of the Zero so far.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 19, 2014, 02:28:40 am
All the airbrushing has been done on the Zero, so even if its not finished yet, I guess its clear what this will be  ;D

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140619115604.jpg)

Unfortunally I just saw that the decals I wanted to use do not work anymore, so I have to get some new ones. I hope they will arrive when everything else of this plane is done.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 19, 2014, 03:37:02 am
Nice, a German Zero is always an option - the Battle of Britain colors suit her well.

Besides... I wonder if a BMW engine could be grafted to the front, for a more 'domestic' look?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on June 23, 2014, 09:45:28 am
Well, there are no BMWs in my spare part box, so I stay with the original one.

Painting is now complete and the decals should arrive tomorrow, so here it is waiting for the last steps to do


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140622114642.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on July 02, 2014, 04:06:23 am
Time to start something new.

This time, I use some stuff from the spare parts box. Most of this is from a Revell kit (I guess its obvious which one), and it's not really clear how this will end, but the only thing I know - no Luftwaffe aircraft this time....  ;D

So this is I use to start with:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140629105956.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on July 13, 2014, 04:33:20 am
After a short break, work continues on what was originally a Me 262.

Cockpit is added:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140713125752.jpg)

Wings are modifed (but need some additional work)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140713125742.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: dumaniac on July 14, 2014, 02:01:53 am
Hi Nonobar

so where is your 262 headed - looks like a 2-seat with just one seat installed - maybe jazz music in the back ?

Bernie
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on July 14, 2014, 02:27:57 am
Hi Nonobar

so where is your 262 headed - looks like a 2-seat with just one seat installed - maybe jazz music in the back ?

Bernie

It will be a one seater. Looks as if the Revell kit is also used for the double seater, but there are no cabin or cockpit parts of it included.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on July 15, 2014, 06:53:13 pm
Love the camo on the Zero !

 :tornado:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on July 20, 2014, 08:54:55 am
It's simply too warm here in Germany right now, so building models is no fun with >30° at the workbench...

So only slow process and some parts are stick together to testing:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140720181810.jpg)

Some more putty&sanding work is in progress right now and some coolers are besdied the plane.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on July 21, 2014, 06:37:49 am
It's simply too warm here in Germany right now, so building models is no fun with >30° at the workbench...

So only slow process and some parts are stick together to testing:


Same problem in the U.K.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Old Wombat on July 21, 2014, 09:02:36 am
Well then, go outside & enjoy the Summer! Breath fresh air, soak up the sunshine & come back to your man-caves refreshed & revitalised! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on July 22, 2014, 10:23:18 pm
Another small plane left the Flugwerft. This time its a quite special one (for me) - a Matchbox Hs 126. This kit was among the first that I build when I was a kid - so when I saw it on ebay again, I had to get it :)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140720181240.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140720181244.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140720181454.jpg)

Initially, I wanted to do a dfferent camo on it, but due to some technical problems with the airbrish, I kept a plain sand color. So this one will be flying somewhere in North Africa I guess.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on July 23, 2014, 06:17:55 am
Now that's a nice 126  :thumbsup: Looks good in that nice simple scheme
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on July 23, 2014, 11:22:09 am
I like the guy playing air guitar with the giant wrench !

The 262 looks pretty wild. Really changes the look of that bird and I bet it would have been fast !

The 126 looks great too. A neat aeroplane and a good one to 'fly' around the house.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on July 27, 2014, 09:52:51 am
After a quite busy week, at least a bit progress on the "what was a Me 262 at some point".

Its now ready for airbrushing and waits until there is some free space in the airbrush cabin which is still blocked by a ship.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140727191752.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140727191758.jpg)

Some additional air coolers have been added and so lets see how this will look like with some paint on it.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on August 03, 2014, 07:08:59 am
Now its painted, all parts attached, waiting for the decals and the final finish.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140803163414.jpg)


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 03, 2014, 08:16:40 am
Nice! The slender nose with the prop looks nice!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on August 03, 2014, 08:56:57 am
Nice! The slender nose with the prop looks nice!

It does, doesn't it
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 08, 2014, 09:57:19 am
Well, back from summer vacation, its now to start something new.

So here is what to use this time:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140906135514.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140906135536.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on September 08, 2014, 11:00:43 am
Oooh another Skyhawk ! Nice ! Look forward to seeing how you do this one. Love them old Matchbox kits !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: dumaniac on September 09, 2014, 02:15:34 am
Me 262 V1 looks good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 09, 2014, 02:43:55 am
Me 262 V1 looks good

Thanks!
But its no Me262V1, its a Avia S-96..... ;D
See the completed model here:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39241.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39241.0.html)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 14, 2014, 09:10:51 am
The first steps for the A4 are made, and the pilot has dressed to get into the plane:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140914180458.jpg)

But still quite a way to go.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 28, 2014, 08:08:08 am
The A4 has now returnd from the paint shop and can now show its Marineflieger paint schme:


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140928173014.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20140928173006.jpg)

Not so much left to add to the little plane, I have to see if I find the right decals for it.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on September 28, 2014, 08:15:46 am
Looking nice
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Ifor on September 28, 2014, 08:38:15 am
What do you mask the canopy with please?
Ifor
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on September 28, 2014, 10:27:33 am
What do you mask the canopy with please?
Ifor

I use Tamiya tape, put it on the canapoy and use a scalpel to cut it in the right shape. For plain windows - like the ones on airliners, I use Revell Color Stop.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 05, 2014, 01:59:21 am
Most of the paint job is now done and the Marineflieger A4 is now waiting for its decals.


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141005112320.jpg)


Some bombs have been added under the wings.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Aragorn on October 07, 2014, 07:51:58 am
Hi

Looks alredy sharp, even w/o markings.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 12, 2014, 02:28:36 am
After the Marineflieger a4 has been completed, time to start something new.

Lets return to a WW2 What-If this time.

This is what to use (apart form some spare parts), two old Airfix Do 217 kits:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141011121006.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141011121206.jpg)


This will be a  Dornier Do 218, a four engined variant of the Dornier 17-217 family.

Lets start with the cockpit - pretty basic in this old model, so I have to see how to improve this
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141012114610.jpg)

The Do 218 will have four engines, so the wings have to be upgraded. Intersting to see the different color of the two kits.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141012114754.jpg)


And this gives an impression how this plane might look like ...
Now that the wings got wider the whole plane must enlarged a bit.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141012114626.jpg)


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: dumaniac on October 12, 2014, 02:41:34 am
great concept
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 12, 2014, 02:56:13 am
A brill idea, that.  :thumbsup:

The blue one is the earlier moulding, Airfix LOVED that colour styrene for some reason, but it got pretty brittle sometimes.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: Captain Canada on October 12, 2014, 07:02:37 am
That's looking good already !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: NARSES2 on October 12, 2014, 08:14:55 am
great concept

Indeed. Looking forward to this
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: zenrat on October 12, 2014, 03:30:18 pm
It's already starting to look like a real one.

The light blue plastic meant that as a kid I didn't have to paint the underneath.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: nönöbär on October 18, 2014, 03:37:47 am
While the Dornier bomber is still under heavy construction, a new plane left NöNö Bär's Flugwerft:

A Lufthansa Boeing 247. The German Lufthansa had two of those planes in the 1930s. So not really a What-If, but at least less known one.

The model is a 1:72 William Brothers kit. which seems to be pretty old. The quality was not that good and the resulting model - well I have made better ones  ;D
Painted with Revel Aqua Color and decals are form the spare part box (I think from a Italieri Ju-52)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141018124712.jpg)

My complete Lufthansa 1930s collection so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141018125010.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (completed: Lufthansa Boeing 247)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 18, 2014, 06:02:01 am
Nice Boeing and collection  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (completed: Lufthansa Boeing 247)
Post by: Captain Canada on October 18, 2014, 06:34:33 am
Beauty. They all look great together ! Need to add floats and CDN regs. to them tho  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 18, 2014, 06:48:40 am
The model is a 1:72 William Brothers kit. which seems to be pretty old. The quality was not that good and the resulting model - well I have made better ones  ;D

It IS pretty old, yes, maybe 30 years old, maybe even more. But it's the only 247 kit there is AFAIK.

No matter how bad the kit you've done a great job on it, looks really smart, nice one.  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft
Post by: loupgarou on October 18, 2014, 11:55:44 am
The model is a 1:72 William Brothers kit. which seems to be pretty old. The quality was not that good and the resulting model - well I have made better ones  ;D

It IS pretty old, yes, maybe 30 years old, maybe even more. But it's the only 247 kit there is AFAIK.

No matter how bad the kit you've done a great job on it, looks really smart, nice one.  :thumbsup: :bow:

I have built it around 1974 and it seemed a good kit to me. Still have it, BTW.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (completed: Lufthansa Boeing 247)
Post by: zenrat on October 18, 2014, 06:37:20 pm
I like the Boing.  You can see the family resemblance to the B17.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (completed: Lufthansa Boeing 247)
Post by: nönöbär on October 19, 2014, 03:12:40 am
Work on the Do 218 continues.

The gap on the inner wings has been fclosed with some plastic sheets, next will be some putty & sanding here
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141018125306.jpg)

The cockpit has been a bit "pimped" as it was pretty empty
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141018125352.jpg)

The fuselage has been cut into two parts - it will be made a bit longer. The parts show the idea how long it will be.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141018125420.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on October 26, 2014, 03:42:13 am
Most work was now invested in the wings, to fill the gap resunlting from putting two wings toether. So a lot of putty&sanding was required. Parts are just stick together for now.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141026123940.jpg)

The hull is now cut in two parts, and firest preperations to add an additional secions are done. Addiitonally, I started to work on some other parts which can be seen so far.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141026123954.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on October 26, 2014, 06:37:23 am
Now that's going to be a beauty !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Logan Hartke on October 26, 2014, 01:31:35 pm
I agree. I can't wait to see this one completed.

Cheers,

Logan
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on October 26, 2014, 11:36:05 pm
Thanks for your feedback so far  ;D

I now came across a few things where I am nut 100% sure what to do:

1) What camo scheme? I could use a typical dark green/black green/light blue for it. But as it is a what-if, maybe to do something else
Maybe a dark gray/light gray/light blue this time? Or a pre-war green/brown/gray? Or something else.
I never succeeded to make a late war camo pattern with the airbrush so I would avoid to try this one

2) Should I add an additional machine gun on top on the new middle section?

3) Should I use a two ender tail with two side rudders like the original Do 217 or add a third one?

I would appreciate any good input on this!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 27, 2014, 09:15:14 am
My thoughts

1) I'd go with the pre war scheme. Always liked it.

2) I think another m.g. would work.

3) 2 ender tail as you say

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 27, 2014, 04:45:31 pm
My thoughts

1) I'd go with the pre war scheme. Always liked it.

2) I think another m.g. would work.

3) 2 ender tail as you say

 :thumbsup:

I totally agree.
1- I also prefer the pre-war scheme on these airplanes
2- The more guns, the better!  :wacko:
3- 2 ender tail looks better

But still, the dark/light grey and blue could also look good on such a bird.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: TallEng on October 27, 2014, 06:46:46 pm
Me too! :thumbsup:

1) that pre-war tri-colour camouflage that used to be one of colour schemes in the Airfix box
I think it was a lightish grey RLM63? And Brown RLM81 and a green with Helblau undersides.
2) one more machine gun can't hurt can it?  :o
3) I like the idea of the twin fins (two ender) but maybe they would need to be increased in size
To take account of the extra engines? Or you could keep the original fin size and add one in the middle
Keeping the same shape as the outside ones.

Note Rule 1 applies

Regards
Keith

*rule 1 = it's my plane/train/boat/car etc etc and I'll do what I think I want....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 28, 2014, 12:33:18 am
Another paint scheme option - depending on the intended mission - could be the Luftwaffe's maritime (splinter) paint scheme in RLM 72/73 with RLM 65 undersides? Very murky colors, though, Fw 200 and He 115 carried it in the early WWII period.

My vote for the end plate fin solution, too, and I agree that the size/area should slightly be enlarged.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on October 28, 2014, 11:53:00 am
Well, thanks for the feedback.
So, it looks as if a pre-war color scheme is the way to go. Actually, this was my favourite, but I guess I have to re-think the story for the plane now. The time would now be more 1936 instead of 1941/42.

More guns - I knew it.....  ;D
I found sone nice parts in a Revell He 177, so I will use this as an additional gun position. Plus some remove controlled guns in the tail.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141028194341.jpg)

The hull is now enlarged (ok, this is the second attempt, the first one got wrong) with the new gun positions. Plus a drawing (wrong plane, I know) about a color scheme.

And I have to see how the tail&rudders can be made a bit bigger.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on October 28, 2014, 12:31:41 pm
Love that painting....looks like a Halifax !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on November 02, 2014, 05:52:49 am
Two things to do on the Do218 right now:

The wings, mostly done now, and only some fine tuning is required. Only the inner engines will get the landing gear:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141102161244.jpg)

The enlarged hull with the additonal gun position. A lot of putty and sanding is now required:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141102161330.jpg)

Everything put together - more or less - plus the enlarged tail:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141102161308.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 03, 2014, 07:00:04 am
This is coming along nicely  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on November 09, 2014, 05:11:37 am
Still a long way to go.....

Hull: Enlargged, done
Wings: Added to hull, done

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141109145554.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141109145606.jpg)

Now close all the gaps between hull and wings with putty & sand everything smoothly....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on November 16, 2014, 06:54:04 am
Sabotage!!!!

While I am in the final steps to smooth the connecion between hull and wings, I had to find out that somebody has sabotaged the construction of the Do 218.

It seems that the front cockpit window is missing in one of the kits I use for the model. and in the other, all windows are missing :(

So I fear I have to see to find another of those old Airfix kits to get the missing part...

In the meantimg, the plane is almost ready for getting the first layers of paint:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141116171638.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 16, 2014, 07:16:06 am
Oh that's a right pain - hope you find the parts
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 16, 2014, 07:37:02 am
Oh, love what I see (and expect)...  :wub:

Keep it up, that one looks very promising!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: The Chaos on November 16, 2014, 08:30:58 am
Yor Aircraft looks very amazing.  &lt;_&lt;
I wait for the color.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Weaver on November 16, 2014, 08:47:18 am
I'm not sure, but I have half a memory that there MIGHT be a Do.17 nose glazing in a box upstairs. i'll have a look later and if I'm right, you're welcome to it.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on November 23, 2014, 07:35:40 am
Regarding the missing cockpit window, I finally found another of those kits on ebay, so I hope it will arrive this week.

Unless then, the first layer of primer is put on the model to see there additional sanding work is requires. Luckiely there are only a few spots to work on.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141123174028.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 23, 2014, 07:47:18 am
This is going to look good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on November 25, 2014, 06:30:33 am
Wow..is that ever looking the part now ! Great job.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on November 25, 2014, 11:50:43 am
Finally, today my ebay delivery arrived with a "new" Dornier 217 kit. And with some cockpit windows.

My best engineer started to check the parts and according to him, I can use the front window of this kit. It is the right one.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141125205714.jpg)

So I now can prepare the plane for painting.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 26, 2014, 06:28:35 am
 ;D ;D :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on November 30, 2014, 07:33:41 am
Airbrush time! Now everything is on place, so the five differetn collors can be added:

First color: A little bit of yellow:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141129175004.jpg)

Second color: Some light blue:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141129233020.jpg)

Waiting for third color.....
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141130172758.jpg)

To be continued.....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 30, 2014, 09:22:39 am
That looks SO 'Lancaster'.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Caveman on November 30, 2014, 10:16:02 am
Der Lankaßter
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on December 01, 2014, 12:14:49 pm
It sure does ! Looks awesome tho. Going to be a real stunner.

PS-always good to have a competent engineer on hand  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 03, 2014, 11:29:48 am
The third color (light gray) has now been added ans masking for the next one has been added:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141203213406.jpg)

The exciting moment is always when you remove all the masking and see if it has worked as expected....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 04, 2014, 06:22:05 am
The exciting moment is always when you remove all the masking and see if it has worked as expected....

And if and when it has worked a huge sigh of relief  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 06, 2014, 03:38:24 am
The exciting moment is always when you remove all the masking and see if it has worked as expected....

And if and when it has worked a huge sigh of relief  :thumbsup:

And not only once, the first reaction after removing all masking was "Oh s****"....  :banghead:
Lets hope that it better this time.

So, the fourth color is on (dark green), the next masking is on and it is waiting for the last camo color

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141206125430.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Ifor on December 06, 2014, 04:40:19 am
Could you tell me what tape you're using please?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 06, 2014, 05:00:33 am
Could you tell me what tape you're using please?

It's Tamiya Masking Tape, you get it in different sizes, right now I have 6mm, 10mm and 18mm ones. Not the cheapest stuff, but quite good. And so far, I had no problems with removing the masking and remove the paint under it as well. You should get this on Ebay or Amazon in the UK (oar anywhere else)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: The Wooksta! on December 06, 2014, 05:42:31 am
Interesting and quite an attractive looking aircraft.  How about a more developed version using a pair of Italeri Do 217K or M with the long span wings? 

One other point.  It really needs larger fins.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 06, 2014, 06:01:49 am
Yup have to admit I find Tamiya Tape the best I've tried  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 07, 2014, 06:52:27 am
Well, all camo colors are now painted and the masking is removed....
Didn't I say yesterday that Tamiya Tape never removed any paint when removing them. Ok, not this time  :banghead:
So it was a "Oh s***" moment. And my engineer now has to think about something to get this all right again.

So, something has to be fixed for the camo:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141207170658.jpg)

I don't know if this idea is the best to fix it, as airbrushed colors always look a bit different than oainted ones.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141207172638.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 07, 2014, 10:55:49 am
I don't know if this idea is the best to fix it, as airbrushed colors always look a bit different than oainted ones.

Yes, I found that too, but your paint engineer looks as if he knows what he's doing. You'll be OK there.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Martin H on December 07, 2014, 10:59:52 am
One other point.  It really needs larger fins.

If this is the Do 218A-1 Im sure larger fins will be seen as needed on the B model :D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on December 08, 2014, 07:40:07 am
Looks good ! Nice to see the hired hand hard at work. I need one of those ! Get everything ready before bedtime and wake up to a painted model ! lol

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 08, 2014, 07:51:21 am
Looking good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 08, 2014, 08:00:07 am
One other point.  It really needs larger fins.

If this is the Do 218A-1 Im sure larger fins will be seen as needed on the B model :D

Somehow, this was the same idea, I had in mind  ;D So lets say this is the A model, and the crews demanded some lager fins for better flight stability. Which were den added in the B model.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: The Wooksta! on December 08, 2014, 08:45:26 am
If you've the older Revell Condor kit (the 60s rivetty one) use the engines from that for this one - the Bramo 323s are earlier than the BMW801s and would fit a pre war aircraft better.

Alternately, Jumo 211 power eggs from the Ju 88 would be suitable.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Old Wombat on December 08, 2014, 05:29:47 pm
... the crews demanded some lager fins for better flight stability ...

I don't know, man!? :blink:

I have this strange feeling that "lager fins" are going to have the opposite effect on stability. :cheers: :drink: :tornado:


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 14, 2014, 09:37:24 am
Still fixing the issues cause by the masking tape. I hope with the clossy finish on it (before putting on the decals), the different color shades will not be so strong anymore.
So besides correcting the camo, I concentrated on the addtional stuff to be added. Like engines, wheels etc.

At least two of the engines are now added, the rest will follow soon.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141214193440.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: DogfighterZen on December 14, 2014, 01:15:24 pm
It's coming along really well, i like the look of that beast! :wacko:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 15, 2014, 07:29:32 am
This is really looking very good  :bow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on December 15, 2014, 09:14:15 am
Looking good ! Nice to see the bits and the way you are adding them.

Sorry the lager fins comment was originally lost on me....that exchange was too funny !

 :cheers: :party: :drink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: DogfighterZen on December 15, 2014, 09:43:44 am
With lager fins, it would probably fly in around in 8s...  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 21, 2014, 06:36:46 am
While my engineer is getting a bit panic as he has some real trouble with the Do 218 landing gear (pics will follow), the last plane for this year leaves NöNö Bärs Flugwerft. A Czech MiG 17.

This is a KP Model 1/72 scale kit, pretty simple, but quite ok to build. This time I tried to build it with an open cockpit. The model is painted with Revel Aqua Color, using the original decals (which are not the best anymore, but this is a quite old kit)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221164118.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221164146.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221164202.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221164238.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221164252.jpg)

A group of MiGs, MiG 15, MiG 17 and MiG 21:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221164532.jpg)

The Czech Airforce collection:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221164626.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on December 21, 2014, 08:34:04 am
Sorry to hear about the poor engineers stress levels !

The Mig is looking good. I like the little dio. The group shots are nice as well. Always a treat to see related  a/c together to get a feel for their size, commonality differences etc.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 22, 2014, 04:15:03 am
Returning to the Do 218, the big issue now is the landing gear. Everytime, the right one collapses. If this would be a Ju 290 I would say this is normal, as they had many right landing gear problems, but hey, this is a Dornier.

So the lastest attempt to fix it looks like this:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221163746.jpg)

I asked my engineer and he thought that adding a stronger folgin mechanism to the gears migth help. So lets see if he is right.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141221163804.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 22, 2014, 07:05:37 am
Sorry to hear about the poor engineers stress levels !

The Mig is looking good. I like the little dio.

Me to. It really sets the model off nicely  :thumbsup:

As for stress the engineer seems to be nice and relaxed to me  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on December 23, 2014, 06:29:55 am
Before NöNö Bärs Flugwerft will close its doors for this year, my engineer was finally succesful and the Do 218 is now standing on its own wheels. All guns, cockpit windows etc are added, it is now waiting for a cover of finish, decals and the final finish all over.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141223165426.jpg)

My engineer - btw his name is Scratch Bear - has prepared the tree and is relaxing for the rest of the year so he can help me again next year, with new projects to come.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20141223165742.jpg)

So, Merry Chistmas and a Happy New Year !
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: FAR148 on December 23, 2014, 06:33:26 am
Very cool project!

Steven L  :party:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 23, 2014, 01:02:58 pm
That looks better with every new pic, terrific work. By both of you............  ;D  :thumbsup: :bow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on January 11, 2015, 06:47:52 am
Back from the winter vacation, my engineer and I are in the final works of the Do 218....

Decals, engine exhaust traces are done, only a few little things to do until the Dornier bomber is completed.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150111163622.jpg)

I just hope that the cockpit windows are ok when I remove the masking tape there...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on January 12, 2015, 08:36:37 am
This gets better and better
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: dumaniac on January 13, 2015, 12:46:15 am
Fabulous !
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: NARSES2 on January 13, 2015, 03:09:43 am
I must admit that apart from liking this model and the camo scheme I keep expecting to pick up my copy of Luftwaffe Secret Projects and finding it in there. It looks so right
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on January 13, 2015, 04:45:18 am
It sure does Chris !

To use a gym meme, it kinda looks like a Lancaster that forgot to do leg day  :thumbsup:

Love it. I hope the canopy masking comes off good as well.....no delays now !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: nönöbär on January 13, 2015, 12:19:44 pm

Love it. I hope the canopy masking comes off good as well.....no delays now !

Thanks  :cheers:

Well, the masking is now removed and looks ok - but I wonder what happend to the little antenna on the front nose that was still there last year. Somehow it disappeared. So this has to be fixed with a spare part and then its done.... at least I hope so :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Dornier Do 218)
Post by: Captain Canada on January 13, 2015, 07:20:12 pm
Blame the engineer  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on January 18, 2015, 05:27:48 am
Now that the Do 218 has been completed, time to start something new.

This time, it should be something with less putty and sanding, so here is the start of it:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150118114134.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150118114120.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: Captain Canada on January 18, 2015, 06:06:28 am
Nice work so far. The giant waffle maker in the back seat will come in handy on those long morning flights  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on January 18, 2015, 06:38:54 am
Nice work so far. The giant waffle maker in the back seat will come in handy on those long morning flights  :thumbsup:

Oh no, did I add the wrong part? It should be a sushi tray for 9 different kind of sushis.... ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: NARSES2 on January 18, 2015, 08:11:21 am
Nice work so far. The giant waffle maker in the back seat will come in handy on those long morning flights  :thumbsup:

Oh no, did I add the wrong part? It should be a sushi tray for 9 different kind of sushis.... ;D

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: Captain Canada on January 18, 2015, 10:47:25 am
Oh no, did I add the wrong part? It should be a sushi tray for 9 different kind of sushis.... ;D

Oops...I never thought of the asian persuasion regarding food preferance, but I do believe you are correct !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on January 25, 2015, 10:01:41 am
The Mitsubishi 87G2 gets some shape now. And I guess the origins of this one get clear now

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150125200016.jpg).

Its getting close to be send to the paint shop...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on February 01, 2015, 05:40:30 am
Everything proceeds fine with the Mitsubishi 87G2 ...

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0200.jpg)

... until i found out that one of the landing legs is missing  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

So I have to get another Stuka kit to get this plane some wheels.


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 01, 2015, 07:41:33 am
Oh that is a pain, she's looking very good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: Old Wombat on February 02, 2015, 10:58:36 pm
Oh that is a pain, she's looking very good

What Chris said! :banghead: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 03, 2015, 06:58:57 pm
Sorry to hear about the missing leg, but wow that is looking good !

 :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on February 04, 2015, 09:55:21 am
Sometimes, buying at Ebay ist fast. Found a Revell Stuka there on Saturday, bought it for 3€ and it is delivered now. So new landing gears. Ok, they do not fit 100%, but I guess my engineer will find a solution for it.... ;) Work can continue.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on February 08, 2015, 07:57:16 am
My engineer is working hard to fix the landing gear issue of the Mitsubishi 87G2 ...

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150208180112.jpg)

The first tests look good, so I think he can continue with this.


Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 08, 2015, 08:08:35 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: Modelling_Mushi on February 09, 2015, 05:28:51 am
My engineer is working hard to fix the landing gear issue of the Mitsubishi 87G2 ...

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150208180112.jpg)

The first tests look good, so I think he can continue with this.

 :lol: Your engineer is using a soft touch I see.

Looking good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 09, 2015, 07:28:01 am
He's also sniffing out any problems  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: zenrat on February 10, 2015, 02:14:45 am
Looks like he's got it licked...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on February 13, 2015, 04:36:22 am
Well, I don't know if he was licking or sniffing, but he fixed it. So the plane can go into the paintshot. Anyway, I guess I have to talk with him....  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 13, 2015, 04:38:43 am
Smells right to me ! lol

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi 87G2 キヤノンの鳥)
Post by: nönöbär on February 13, 2015, 04:44:16 am
As its carnival time here in Cologne right now, I guess I have to close NöNö Bärs Flugwerft until next week. All the staff - including my engineer - is away to party. Hope the little bear will not drink too much beer and gets sone strange ideas for new models  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: nönöbär on February 16, 2015, 09:08:41 am
While the Mitsubishi is in its final stage of production, another plane leavs NöNö Bärs Flugwerft:

A Gotha Go 244. Developed form the gotha Go 242 glider, the Go 244 was equipped with two 740hp Gnôme-Rhône-engines - and it was quite a failiure. The engines were barly able to keep the empty plane in the air, not very useful for a transport aircraft. Therefore most of the 230+ planes build were "refitted" as gilders again.

I always wanted to build a twin-boom plane, and as the Gotha is quite small compared to other aircraft with this layout, I choose this one.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150216182106.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150216182138.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150216182220.jpg)

The model is a 17/2 Italieri kit build OOB and airbrushed with Revel Aqua Colors.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 16, 2015, 09:18:27 am
I like the look of that, excellent work there.  :thumbsup: :bow:

I didn't even know Italeri did that kit, or anyone else for that matter. Hmmm, how about re-engining one with DB 601s?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 16, 2015, 09:27:05 am
Beauty. Love the colours. Very well done...nice and clean !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: Librarian on February 16, 2015, 09:37:10 am
A beautiful job and very nice looking plane. Got my eye on that fuselage.... ;D.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: DogfighterZen on February 16, 2015, 07:14:02 pm
Very nice work indeed!!  :thumbsup:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: nönöbär on February 17, 2015, 12:16:51 am
Thanks!

Sadly, I made an erro building the model, and now the rear cargo door cannot be opened correctly. You can open it, but then it does not hold in open position. Have to see if this can be fixed.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: zenrat on February 17, 2015, 12:48:04 am
Cool.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 17, 2015, 03:53:06 am
That looks really good, particularly like the colour scheme
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Gotha Go 244)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 17, 2015, 04:34:13 am
Looks so clean...!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: nönöbär on May 23, 2015, 09:02:04 am
After a break, a (non WhatIf) leaves the Flugwerft:

A Czech MiG 19. This is another KP models Kit, quite basic and from the instructions so can see its age. Build OOB, the decals are not the best anymore.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150523173242.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150523173314.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150523173340.jpg)

The little - and growing - Mig collection:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150523173416.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150523173548.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150523173606.jpg)

Now that the Flugwerft is empty again,  the next What-If is about to start soon.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 23, 2015, 12:12:19 pm
I've got a couple of those KP Mig 19s.

Amazingly all the myriad intakes you can see on nönöbär's model are separate parts and need to be glued in position as the build progresses!  :o
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 23, 2015, 01:15:18 pm
Yes, EVERY air scoop is a separate piece. But it's a "honest" solution, the kit is actually pretty good, despite the raised panels and rivets.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: zenrat on May 24, 2015, 04:24:00 am
Nice.  So thats 15, 17 & 19?  A 21 next?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: DogfighterZen on May 24, 2015, 07:07:10 am
That's a nice trio!  :thumbsup: I believe that ZTS Plastyk boxes these kits, right? Your Mig-19 looks just like the kit i have. I've always liked the mig family and bought the 17,19,and 21 from that brand as they were really cheap here in Portugal, 6€ each. I couldn't find a cheap 15 so bought the Eduard profi-pack for 15€ although i'm not a profi-modeler...  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: Captain Canada on May 25, 2015, 02:24:10 pm
Nice work and a nice little dio to display it. Love the colour combo. Great little family pic too, can really see the resemblance in them !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: nönöbär on May 31, 2015, 10:29:51 am
Thanks  :thumbsup:

@Dizzyfugu: Yes, all those little air intakes. But all of those KP kits I made so far, on all of them, the nose air intake dod not fit at all. Some brute force was needed all the time.

@zenrat: I already made a Czech Mig21, its here http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35312.60.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,35312.60.html). But the next in the "MiG Collection" will be a MiG 9

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: nönöbär on June 06, 2015, 09:38:10 am
Time to start another what-if plane. This one will be a paint job again.

So this is the thing to start with

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150604181427.jpg)

The classic three-color kit:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150604181410.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: Captain Canada on June 06, 2015, 09:48:12 am
One of the best box top paintings ever ! Looking forward to seeing this progress.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 06, 2015, 11:44:37 am
And of the most disappointing. Can you imagine how sad I was when I bought this one as a kid that NONE of all this dozen of 1.000 lb.bombs was included...?  :-\

Looking forward to see what becomes of it! A Marineflieger, perhaps :rolleyes: - the aircraft they actually had wanted instead of the F-104G (beside the Viggen, of course).
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: zenrat on June 06, 2015, 07:06:18 pm
We should have a Matchbox paint it like the plastic colours GB.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: nönöbär on June 06, 2015, 10:50:36 pm
And of the most disappointing. Can you imagine how sad I was when I bought this one as a kid that NONE of all this dozen of 1.000 lb.bombs was included...?  :-\

Looking forward to see what becomes of it! A Marineflieger, perhaps :rolleyes: - the aircraft they actually had wanted instead of the F-104G (beside the Viggen, of course).

Marineflieger - right guess, there are still a few planes missing for my Graf Zepplein Air Wing.

And I can tell you - I was really sad when I opened the box a few days ago and saw that non of those 1.000 lb bombs were included...... :(
Guess I have to see what the spare part box gives.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 07, 2015, 02:35:32 am
We should have a Matchbox paint it like the plastic colours GB.


OOB Matchbox GB, no paint. ;D

Hm, I could print some REALLY big decals?  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: nönöbär on June 07, 2015, 09:32:15 am
Wow, this plane is big compared to other 1/72 scale ones.

To start with, we need some pilots:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150607102224.jpg)

And it will get a very special three color camo painting.....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150607184104.jpg)

... of course not!

Anyway, funny to see it in those different colors.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 09, 2015, 08:33:02 am
We should have a Matchbox paint it like the plastic colours GB.


OOB Matchbox GB, no paint. ;D

Or even better: take a kit of a different scale and simulate an OOB 1:72 Matchbox kit!

Check this here... subtle!

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234959586-109-as-matchbox-intended/
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: Gondor on June 09, 2015, 09:09:16 am

Wow, this plane is big compared to other 1/72 scale ones.


If you think a Buccaneer is BIG take a look at the B-36 Crop duster (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,40686.0.html)

Gondor
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: Captain Canada on June 09, 2015, 02:30:22 pm
Ya that is kind of silly to show it with all those bombs and then not give you the option.... :blink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 09, 2015, 11:47:29 pm
Ya that is kind of silly to show it with all those bombs and then not give you the option.... :blink:

Booo! Kids WANT bombs, lots of 'em.  ;D

Poor marketing.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Czech MiG 19)
Post by: Gondor on June 10, 2015, 02:08:12 am
We should have a Matchbox paint it like the plastic colours GB.


OOB Matchbox GB, no paint. ;D

Or even better: take a kit of a different scale and simulate an OOB 1:72 Matchbox kit!

Check this here... subtle!

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234959586-109-as-matchbox-intended/


Or even better use a kit that Matchbox never produced and paint each sprue a different colour then build it out of the box  ;D  That could really confuse the JMN's  ;D

Gondor
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 10, 2015, 03:12:08 am
Or don't build it at all - just the (colored) sprues and a fake packaging next to them.  ;D

Something like this, just with appropriate parts...  :wacko:

(http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt343/drtemplar/flycatcherbox.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 10, 2015, 05:49:07 am
Which reminds me of the time that Hasegawa were just about to release their I-16.

I was at a Twin Cities Aero Historians meeting that week and three of us got an old Revell I-16, cut all the parts off the sprues and glued them onto a Hasegawa sprue, from a P-40 I think. Then we sprayed it all grey, put it in a plastic bag and took it to the meeting as a 'pre-production sample'.  ;D ;) :lol:

MUCH hilarity followed as the resident JMNs picked up all the 'errors' in it. We only just got out of there without being lynched.  ;D

I think I still have the 'kit' somewhere too, I'll have to look it out.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 10, 2015, 05:56:17 am
LOL!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 10, 2015, 07:15:55 am
Or don't build it at all - just the (colored) sprues and a fake packaging next to them.  ;D

Something like this, just with appropriate parts...  :wacko:

(http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt343/drtemplar/flycatcherbox.jpg)

You could sell that for a FORTUNE on ebay!  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: nönöbär on June 21, 2015, 08:34:16 am
Oh, I see so many people with evil ideas here...... I like it !  ;D ;D ;D

As I was away whole week, not much done was made, but at least the first colors has been brushed - white:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150621174400.jpg)

Luckiely I have a spare airbrush, as the replacement parts after my USS King disaster have not arrived yet.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: Captain Canada on June 22, 2015, 06:57:34 am
Looking good !
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: nönöbär on June 28, 2015, 08:50:07 am
Now all colors are painted, just some minor corrections are required:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150628181834.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150628181846.jpg)

I also received some decals for a Marineflieger Starfighter, so they should fit quite well.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: Captain Canada on June 28, 2015, 01:39:45 pm
Gorgeous. This is going to be one good looking Bucc !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 30, 2015, 12:19:19 am
Those classic NATO colors suit the Bucc very well!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: DogfighterZen on July 01, 2015, 01:09:06 pm
Yep, those colors suit this one very well!  :thumbsup: And i can imagine it in German markings... :wub:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Blackburn Buccaneer)
Post by: nönöbär on July 04, 2015, 08:16:37 am
Well, 37° Celsius is ismply too hot for scale building. Paint is drying on the brush in a few moments.

All parts are added to the Buccaneer, waiting for its decals now.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/DSC_0222.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: nönöbär on July 12, 2015, 06:54:14 am
Time to start something new:

This time, a quite old Lindberg Dornier Do 335 model will be the start. I got this one on ebay for a few € a while ago and when opening the box, I saw that it was already started.  :(

Well, as its a quite simple kit, it does not hurt to use this as the starting point for a modfied version of the do 335 - the Do 335 TL.

So there is what to use:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150711123102.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150711123152.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 12, 2015, 07:44:54 am
Now that kit brings some memories back.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: Captain Canada on July 12, 2015, 07:56:59 am
Love those old kits like that....looks like it was just removed from the sprues ?

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: nönöbär on July 13, 2015, 11:57:38 pm
Love those old kits like that....looks like it was just removed from the sprues ?



Well, all the green parts were in the box this way. And some of them - like the wings - were already painted in some kind of horrible blue in the inside....Luckiely this will not be visible in the finished model.
The gray parts will be used for the conversion that I have in mind (need some other stuff fomr the spare parts box as well).
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: nönöbär on July 18, 2015, 06:35:48 am
As this is a quite simple kit, most parts are added now:

Wings, a bit updated cockpit, jet engine and jet air intakes:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150718155720.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150718155728.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: nönöbär on July 26, 2015, 07:09:52 am
Main paint jobs are done for the Do 335 TL, now the smaller details have to be added.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150726164026.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150726164036.jpg)

I wonder about the air intakes, if I should dive the forward part some kind of different colour, maybe Aluminium or Metal?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: Captain Canada on July 26, 2015, 07:13:48 am
Hard to say....looks good just the way it is ! But that is up to you. Great job on the paint.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 26, 2015, 07:45:08 am
Yup, looking very neat  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: nönöbär on August 02, 2015, 04:55:24 am
The last report form the Flugwerft befroe my engineer and I will leave for our Canada-vacation.

Everything is painted now and is waiting for the decals:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150802142906.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150802142914.jpg)

Work in the Flugwerft will continue in September and maybe my engineer gets some inspirations while traveling in the wild areas of Vancouver Island ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: NARSES2 on August 03, 2015, 06:46:59 am
Enjoy Vancouver Island - beautiful place
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: Tophe on August 06, 2015, 08:42:19 pm
A "true" jet Do-335 was designed acording to Historians: the Do-435, with a Unicraft 1/72 model of it, see http://www.blackbirdmodels.co.uk/dornier-do435-conv-72-543-p.asp
I like your one too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Dornier Do 335 TL)
Post by: nönöbär on August 09, 2015, 12:40:24 pm
Enjoy Vancouver Island - beautiful place

Thanks, maybe I find some inspiration there for another What-If :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: nönöbär on September 13, 2015, 01:33:03 am
Now that I am back from Canada - which was great - I returned with an inspiration for some What-If project. Floatplanes :)

Saw a lot of them there and even the Martin Mars (which is huge!) and now I have to see what kind of what-if will be made from this.

In the menatime, the do 335 TL is completed, I will start something new which is mainly based on this one:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150913092314.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150913092402.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: zenrat on September 13, 2015, 03:14:14 am
I think the spats make up most of the plastic in that box...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: nönöbär on September 13, 2015, 03:18:25 am
I think the spats make up most of the plastic in that box...


This is all. So I guess building will not be too complicated and I will not get lost in hundreds of parts :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: NARSES2 on September 13, 2015, 07:12:50 am
I remember building that when it first came out. It's quite strange to compare the contents of that box with that of the new tool Kate. My how things have changed  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: Captain Canada on September 14, 2015, 07:53:21 am
Yes those are some big ol' boots ! I'll have to keep an eye out for this kit never built one.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: nönöbär on September 20, 2015, 03:39:05 am
The little Val is growing.

Not the best kit, parts fit not so good. So sanding and putty is required.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20150920130626.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: Captain Canada on September 20, 2015, 07:32:30 am
No wonder the boots were so big.....the whole darn thing is big !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: nönöbär on October 04, 2015, 08:17:47 am
Some more work on the Val, the first color is airbrushed:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151004172316.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: zenrat on October 05, 2015, 01:52:04 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: Captain Canada on October 05, 2015, 06:17:54 am
Nice ! I'm going to pick one up when my LHS gets them in.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: nönöbär on October 11, 2015, 06:13:25 am
Most of the painting is done now, and thew Val is waiting for its decals:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151011150546.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: Captain Canada on October 11, 2015, 06:22:28 am
Lovely. The colours look excellent so far.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: Tophe on October 11, 2015, 06:43:12 am
Elegant with these spats... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 11, 2015, 11:36:43 pm
Cannot help it, but in these colors the Val looks very Italian to me...? Add some brown mottle and Italian markings, and it would be a very convincing whif, IMHO.  :blink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Aichi D3A1 'Val')
Post by: Thorvic on October 12, 2015, 12:08:53 am
Cannot help it, but in these colors the Val looks very Italian to me...? Add some brown mottle and Italian markings, and it would be a very convincing whif, IMHO.  :blink:

I know what you mean Its the curves that do it without the splinter camo. it doesn't have the Germanic feel to it as yet with no straight edges
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed Mig-9)
Post by: nönöbär on October 24, 2015, 12:35:18 am
While the Val is done and the next what-if is ready to go, here something else that is completed in NöNö Bärs Flugwerft:

A MiG-9, the model is a 1/72 MPM short-run kit. Quality of the kit was not so good, especially the tail of the plane was completly asymetrical.
Therefore, I used it as a testbed to try sme techniques to make the plane look "used".

Sadly i put not enough weight to the nose, so I had to build a small "support" at the tail ....  ;D

Here are some pics:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151018130454.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151018130502.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151018130540.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151018130612.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151018130622.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151018130630.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed Mig-9)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 24, 2015, 01:47:02 am
Nice work, looks really good on the base
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed Mig-9)
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 24, 2015, 02:14:05 am
 :thumbsup:  :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Messerschmitt RF 262)
Post by: nönöbär on October 31, 2015, 04:39:00 am
Time to start something new, just a little project as I am waiting for some stuff to arrvie for the next What-If.

So here to go with this one:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151011150740.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151011150806.jpg)

Obviously, this is a Me 262, which will be lightly modified and with a different paint job.

As it only consits of few parts, things come together quite fast
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151025140140.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Messerschmitt RF 262)
Post by: nönöbär on November 01, 2015, 06:02:13 am
Mostly painted, it looks like a - surprise, surprise - Me 262 (but with a different paint scheme)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151101160302.jpg)

Now lets add the additional parts to it....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Messerschmitt RF 262)
Post by: DogfighterZen on November 01, 2015, 03:03:51 pm
Looking good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Messerschmitt RF 262)
Post by: The Chaos on November 01, 2015, 11:40:26 pm
Loogs good your Me  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Messerschmitt RF 262)
Post by: Captain Canada on November 02, 2015, 06:31:32 am
Oh that is going to be cool ! Love the Mig-9 dio as well. Great solution to the tail sit  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: IJN Kyushu J7W1)
Post by: nönöbär on November 08, 2015, 04:32:04 am
While the Messerschmitt is waiting for its decals, something else left NöNö Bärs Flugwerft:

A Kyushu J7W1, painted in the classic Japanese Navy colors. I know, that this one has to be green, but as I like this color scheme, I made it this way.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151108135502.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151108135514.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151108135530.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151108135546.jpg)

It's a 1/72 scale Hasegawa kit, not too much parts and build OOB. Airbrushed with Revel Aqua Colros, using the original decals.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: IJN Kyushu J7W1)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 12, 2015, 02:25:20 am
Oh my. That looks wonderfull in that scheme
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: IJN Kyushu J7W1)
Post by: Tophe on November 12, 2015, 08:38:08 am
Nice model :thumbsup:

I know, that this one has to be green, but as I like this color scheme, I made it this way.
When Realist Historians say "has to be" (or "must be"), we what-ifers do the opposite always, this is more funny... ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: IJN Kyushu J7W1)
Post by: Captain Canada on November 12, 2015, 02:25:45 pm
Very nice ! Looks like she'd going to fight in the snow ! love the way the engine looks with those colours and the prop.

 :drink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: nönöbär on November 15, 2015, 05:07:55 am
This summer, I was on vacation to Canda. To Vancouver Island. And my impression was - WOW, Floatplanes! A lot of them.

So its time to build a floatplane model. But of coruse a What-If. So I checked my spare models pile and came up with this one:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151108135942.jpg)

Which of course is no float plane.

But with some extra parts, it might get one:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151108140026.jpg)

So here is what there is so far:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151115142322.jpg)

And we do not need wheels, we need floats:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151115142444.jpg)

And of course, it shoudl be something Candian....




Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: nighthunter on November 15, 2015, 09:00:01 am
Wait till Captain Canada sees this! LOL! Interesting Choice, nonobar!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: nönöbär on November 22, 2015, 08:31:19 am
The first paint has been added:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151122190420.jpg)

Now that this has been done, I can concentrate on the floats of this thing....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 23, 2015, 06:18:00 am
Intriguing
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: nönöbär on November 29, 2015, 11:17:49 am
Not much time this week, but at least some preperations for the floats are added:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151129215222.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151129215228.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: nönöbär on December 06, 2015, 02:39:42 am
With its floats added, the Canadair CL-87F waits to be painted now.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151206121404.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: Tophe on December 06, 2015, 09:34:51 am
The W wing seems 'logical' with those twin-floats, thanks for this 'explanation' of the -87 design ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: nönöbär on December 13, 2015, 05:21:47 am
Painted, the CL-87F looks better now. A few smaller parts are missing and then I can add the decals to it:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151213151538.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: McColm on December 22, 2015, 10:58:16 am
Great work
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: nönöbär on December 24, 2015, 02:32:23 am
My engineer now has closed the Flugwerft and prepares himself for the holidays.
Before he left, he made a alst photo of the recent project which is almost competed now, more of this will follow in a few days.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151224131316.jpg)

Until then, the Scratch Bear and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy Ney Year to everyone!

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: NARSES2 on December 24, 2015, 07:16:40 am
Have a good one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Canadair CL-87F)
Post by: Captain Canada on December 27, 2015, 02:12:24 pm
Merry Christmas ! Cute pic too.

 :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: N*** 229)
Post by: nönöbär on December 29, 2015, 10:30:51 am
My engineer found something that is just about to start. A little project based on a very simple kit which is not so complicated in count all the parts:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151227115712.jpg)

So, I guess the base model is known, lets see what my engineer has thought to build from it.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: N*** 229)
Post by: nönöbär on December 30, 2015, 12:56:54 am
My engineer seems to be very eager to build this one, so he interrupted his vacation and came back. After studying the instuctions he began to add the first paint to it:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20151230103336.jpg)

Seems as if he has modified his working place a bit. More and different paint will follow....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: N*** 229)
Post by: Steel Penguin on December 30, 2015, 04:16:54 am
hes an industrious little fellow that's for certain !

looking good so far
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed :D*** 880)
Post by: nönöbär on January 10, 2016, 02:48:22 am
A new project for the new year. And after all this military stuff, lets begin with something more peaceful now.

The kit to start with is the following.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160102133236.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160102133352.jpg)

The What-If is very loosely based on a book and this is mainly used as a test for another project I have in mind. As the kit only has very few parts, most is put together already. However, now a lot of sanding and putty is required.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160110125230.jpg)

First painting work has already made on it.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed :D*** 880)
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 10, 2016, 06:27:45 am
That's a real vintage kit.

Such a pity they moulded it in an odd scale, but it was in the era of 'fit the box' models.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed :D*** 880)
Post by: Captain Canada on January 10, 2016, 09:52:12 am
Wow....looking good so far ! Such a sleek and sexy bird  :wub: :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP:D*** 880)
Post by: nönöbär on January 17, 2016, 08:05:59 am
After a lot of putty and sanding, the plane now is very....black:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160117175004.jpg)

It won't stay this way, now masking is the next job
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Hispano Aviación HA-220)
Post by: nönöbär on January 24, 2016, 03:24:24 am
While there is no progress with the D*** 880, another little planes has left the Flugwerft:

A Hispano Aviación HA-220, a spanish Ground attack aircraft based on the Hispano Aviación HA-200. This plane first flew in 1955 and was designed by Willy Messerschmitt. Most of the planes were used by the Spansih Airforce until the early 1980s. A few were exported to the UAE and today about 20 of the ~100 planes build are still in flying condition.

The model shows the HA-220 in Spanisch services in 1975.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160124135822.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160124135836.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160124135850.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160124135904.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160124135930.jpg)

The model is a 1:72 kit from Speical Hobby. It contains several additional PE and resin parts and was quite good to build (altough I do not like the way how the wings are attached). Air brushed with Revel Aqua Color, the kit is build OOB and uses the original decals.




Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP:D*** 880)
Post by: NARSES2 on January 24, 2016, 07:23:28 am
Looking good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Hispano Aviación HA-220)
Post by: nönöbär on January 31, 2016, 05:50:27 am
Ah, an I forgeot: Again, I did not add enough weight to the nose, so I had to build something form the spare parts box to support the tail....  :banghead:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Henschel Hs 123)
Post by: nönöbär on February 13, 2016, 06:40:50 am
Now that the Carnival days are over (and a lot of beer consumed during those days), the Flugwerft opens its doors and releases a little plane: A Henschel Hs 123 ground attack plane in colors of the Spanish Civl War:

It's preparing for take off on a airfield somewhere in Spain.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160131141116.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160131141302.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160131141318.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160131141336.jpg)

This is an old Airfix mdoel in 1/72 but despite of its age, it was quite good to build. Make OOB, it was painted with Revell Aqua Color, useing the original decals.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Henschel Hs 123)
Post by: zenrat on February 13, 2016, 03:51:51 pm
That's nice.  Good job.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Henschel Hs 123)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 14, 2016, 08:04:31 am
Yup nice build. I built that kit a year or so ago and really enjoyed it despite it's age.

Must admit I do like that pre War 3 colour splinter  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Henschel Hs 123)
Post by: dumaniac on February 15, 2016, 12:00:26 am
nice diorama

nice Henschel
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Henschel Hs 123)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 15, 2016, 05:54:24 am
Missed the last couple of updates. Great stuff. Love the way you painted the 880, came out perfectly.

The 220 looks great as well. I've always had a thing for straight wings and tip tanks.

The Henschel looks great as well. Love the little dio really suits her.

 :cheers: :bow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: nönöbär on February 16, 2016, 02:56:39 am
And now to something completly different..... as Monthy Python would have said.

The next project is the Northrop RF-62 Megasnark - based on the SM-62 Snark:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160124140056.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160124140132.jpg)

Additional things to use here are the spare parts box and a Heller P51.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 16, 2016, 08:51:58 am

Additional things to use here are the spare parts box and a Heller P51.


.....and a LOT of primer to cover up that RED styrene!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 17, 2016, 01:15:01 am
We're seeing a few of these kits being built on here at the moment for some reason ? Looking forward to what you do with it
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 17, 2016, 03:59:34 am
Mega, eh ? Interesting !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: nönöbär on February 21, 2016, 05:11:07 am
@Captain Canada: Megasnark is always better than a simply Snark....  ;D

So, here we go:

The RF-62 itself, with a hole in the top front:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160214161800.jpg)

This will be the working place of the Snark-Rider:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160214161812.jpg)

The Snark-Launcher:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160214161732.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: nönöbär on February 28, 2016, 03:10:34 am
Work goes on with the Megasnark. A lot of putty and sanding was required this time.

The RF-62 itself, cockpit has been added and everything put on the launcher for a test
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160228133242.jpg)

Close up of the cockpit
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160228133246.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 28, 2016, 04:45:55 am
I love it. Very sexy 'aeroplane' !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 28, 2016, 06:35:28 am
Now looks very different. Got a look of the F.105's long lost cousin about it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: nönöbär on March 13, 2016, 11:12:21 am
After a small break - and with new glasses ;D - work continues on the Megasnark. First color check to see if any parts need some more sanding.

With cockpit window on, it looks a bit like a F/A-18. Intersting as this is a P51 cockpit.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160313204346.jpg)

My engineer makes some tests on the launch pad:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160313204434.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: Captain Canada on March 13, 2016, 12:09:10 pm
Looking mega good ! I hope that bear has soft paws  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: kerick on March 13, 2016, 03:17:02 pm
Needs a long ladder from the ground to the cockpit! Like it!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: zenrat on March 14, 2016, 02:09:30 am
I'm starting to suspect that the bear is the real brains behind this operation and nonobar just takes the pictures and does the typing.

Looking good Chief.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: nönöbär on March 14, 2016, 10:20:49 am
I'm starting to suspect that the bear is the real brains behind this operation and nonobar just takes the pictures and does the typing.

Looking good Chief.


Oh, I guess you got me.....  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: Tophe on March 14, 2016, 09:40:40 pm
The P-51 canopy looks weird  :blink: & nice  :wub: on this jet model :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Northrop RF-62 Megasnark)
Post by: nönöbär on March 20, 2016, 10:14:57 am
The Megasnark is now painted and all parts are put together (I know, its pretty dark....but not black)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160320194938.jpg)

Upside-Down: The start boosters and the recon pod under the nose are visible

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160320194950.jpg)

It's now waiting for its decals so that it can be put on the launch pad.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: nönöbär on April 03, 2016, 10:30:05 am
While my engineer is thinking about some other What-If projects, lets build something small until he comes up with a new idea.

This is what I want to use this time, an 1/72 scale Airfix Saab Draken:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160326162238.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160326150331.jpg)

A quite simple kit (and when building it, I got some more ideas, I guess i have to get another one of those models), but painting caused some problems after removing the masking:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160403195716.jpg)

Therefore some additional paint work is required.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: zenrat on April 04, 2016, 03:44:50 am
I'd forgotten Airfix did a Draken.
Certainly has a low parts count.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: Captain Canada on April 04, 2016, 04:32:52 am
Love it in that camo !

 :wub: :cheers: :party: :bow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 04, 2016, 05:53:50 am
Is it a local problem of my browser or somthing general - I cannot see any picture under this thread anymore?  :blink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: DogfighterZen on April 04, 2016, 06:02:47 am
Is it a local problem of my browser or somthing general - I cannot see any picture under this thread anymore?  :blink:

Everything ok here...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 04, 2016, 06:59:00 am

Certainly has a low parts count.


Ah but when it came out we thought it was a normal parts count or even a high one  :blink: Nowadays I do think some kits are broken down just to get the parts count up for the magazine reviews. If it increases the accuracy without unduly complicating the build fine, if not then it's a p.i.a.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: nönöbär on April 04, 2016, 08:02:03 am
Is it a local problem of my browser or somthing general - I cannot see any picture under this thread anymore?  :blink:

Hmm, I see the pics and they are still on my server as well. Looks like one of those nice brower issues again.... Or is www.german-navy.de blocked on your side?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 04, 2016, 11:42:57 pm
Strangely, the pics are visible again for me!? The Norm '72 Draken looks good, very natural.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: zenrat on April 05, 2016, 02:05:10 am

Certainly has a low parts count.


Ah but when it came out we thought it was a normal parts count or even a high one  :blink: Nowadays I do think some kits are broken down just to get the parts count up for the magazine reviews. If it increases the accuracy without unduly complicating the build fine, if not then it's a p.i.a.



Oh that wasn't a complaint.  I quite like low parts count kits as long as they fit good (he said using his besets grammer).
They are good for knocking up a quick build when you're getting a bit sick of putting together parts that were never meant to go together that have to be beaten into place and then smoothed with 3 or 4 tubes of putty.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 05, 2016, 07:01:51 am

Oh that wasn't a complaint. 

Didn't take it as one  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: nönöbär on April 10, 2016, 02:58:13 am
The older models are sometimes not so bad. Even if they have less parts than modern ones.
This kit here is really quite good, it fits very well, I have seen worse in more modern kits.

Now, all the paint jobs have been done, a few smaller parts are missing before getting the decals:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160410120242.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Saab J35 Draaken)
Post by: nönöbär on April 24, 2016, 08:38:13 am
While I still need a few parts for the next project, something small in the meantime:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160417104542.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160417104539.jpg)

This will be a Betty in Luftwaffe colors. As its a small model (1/144 scale), only few parts have to be build.
So here it is after the hull has been put togeter and first sanding:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160424165206.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty)
Post by: nighthunter on April 24, 2016, 09:45:17 pm
Fun little kit, built one to be destroyed by my 1/144 P-38s, lol!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty)
Post by: nönöbär on April 24, 2016, 10:36:53 pm
Fun little kit, built one to be destroyed by my 1/144 P-38s, lol!

Did you had a little 1/144 scale Yamamoto on board ? :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty)
Post by: nönöbär on May 27, 2016, 09:16:20 am
After some delay, the Betty is coming closer to completion. Paind job is done, it is now waiting for the decals.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160527135704.jpg)

Ah, and the transparent parts are still missing. Making all the masking is quite a pain in 1/144 scale, as the Betty had very segmented windows. But I am working on this....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on June 05, 2016, 08:19:25 am
To start something new - altough I do not know if this will completed at all, but I will try.

So here is what to use (other parts will be required as well):

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160604095148.jpg)

And this is inside:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160604095232.jpg)

So the base model will be the Dornier, with usage of some parts of the A-10.

More to come...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: loupgarou on June 06, 2016, 02:51:26 pm
Are the black square items computer fans?  :blink:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on June 07, 2016, 02:57:28 am
Are the black square items computer fans?  :blink:

Yes, this is the part "I do not know if this will completed at all" in my initial post....  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: zenrat on June 07, 2016, 03:27:59 am
Ooooh, tilt fan?

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on June 12, 2016, 01:31:41 am
Everything has to start with something, so we have the interiour with the pilots:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160612100302.jpg)

The craft will be a two seater only, therefore the backseats will not be added.

Further, all hull windows aill be closed, so a putty&sanding is required:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160612100312.jpg)

At the back of the plane, the hull is opened on the top, something will be added here.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 12, 2016, 01:33:54 am
Oh, the Do 28 + A-10 combination has potential. I have a bash of these also on the project list, but apparently in a different layout than yours.  ;)

Looking forwards to see what becomes of this one!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on June 18, 2016, 03:53:19 am
Some last pics before NöNöBär closes his Flugwerft and starts his summer vacation to Britain.

Crew is now in place:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160618133758.jpg)

The GCC D28 needs some propulsion and this is where the A-10 parts join the game:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160618133658.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: NARSES2 on June 18, 2016, 05:13:20 am
I now understand where you are going with this  :thumbsup:

Enjoy your vacation.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 18, 2016, 05:31:27 am
Cool.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 18, 2016, 05:59:58 am
That's going to be SOME power/weight ratio!  :o

STOL won't be in it, more like VTOL!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on July 17, 2016, 04:36:03 am
Back from Britain, my engineer and I could continue the work on the Skyguard:

Side pods added:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160717124442.jpg)
It will later be used for the landing gear and most likely the armament

Rear engine mounts are added:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160717124454.jpg)

But still something essential is missing. More next time....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on July 24, 2016, 03:57:28 am
Finally..... Most stuff is now in place:

Fans added to the side of the D28, additional smaller parts added:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160724133134.jpg)

Lower side: Landing gear is still missing, the same for armament.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160724133124.jpg)

Next will be a visit to the paint shop.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: zenrat on July 24, 2016, 04:17:10 am
Love it.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: Captain Canada on July 24, 2016, 05:38:34 am
Is that ever cool. Great idea and usage of parts !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 24, 2016, 05:44:55 am
I think I've got my head around it ? The paintwork will bring it together  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: loupgarou on July 24, 2016, 06:32:37 am
Wild. You plan to power the computer fans?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on July 24, 2016, 08:32:41 am
Wild. You plan to power the computer fans?

No, they will not be powered as they need 12V. I tried if they run at 3V as well (then I could have used some batteries), but they did not.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on July 24, 2016, 08:43:48 am
Nice idea!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on August 06, 2016, 06:02:23 am
Everything is in place now and waiting for the paint job

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160806154150.jpg)

Lanind gear is also done, but will be added once the D28 is painted.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 07, 2016, 11:46:11 am
Looks good! :thumbsup: :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: Captain Canada on August 08, 2016, 06:18:37 pm
It sure is. Great stuff.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: nönöbär on August 14, 2016, 05:59:44 am
A big step forward: The D28 is now painted, now all the detail work starts.
Landing gear has been added as well, so now it is standing on its own wheels:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160814145002.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160814145014.jpg)

Have to see if some more colors should be added.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: NARSES2 on August 14, 2016, 06:54:39 am
Now I get it  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: Tophe on August 14, 2016, 09:35:47 am
Wonderful model! So unusual so nice! :wub: :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC D28 Skyguard)
Post by: Captain Canada on August 14, 2016, 01:27:12 pm
That looks way better than I thought it would. What a coat of paint can do eh ! Excellent stuff.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swiss Saab J29CH 'Tönnli')
Post by: nönöbär on September 04, 2016, 04:07:35 am
Sometimes, you start to build a model and you do not know that it ends as a What-If....

So I started a Saab 29 and while I wanted to build it in its original Swedish markings, the idea came up to make it a bit different.
To make a Swiss Saab J29CH 'Tönnli' :)

So here we go, the original Revell (Matchbox) model:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160806145821.jpg)

And what we have so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160903165302.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swiss Saab J29CH 'Tönnli')
Post by: Captain Canada on September 04, 2016, 09:50:21 am
Nice ! I've been wanting to build another one ever since someone posted all those pics of the funky whifs
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swiss Saab J29CH 'Tönnli')
Post by: nönöbär on September 11, 2016, 04:13:28 am
The "Tönnli" now starts to look Swiss:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160911125318.jpg)

A few more decals missing.....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swiss Saab J29CH 'Tönnli')
Post by: Captain Canada on September 11, 2016, 05:08:30 am
That's gorgeous ! Love the colour combo with those markings. Excellent work.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swiss Saab J29CH 'Tönnli')
Post by: NARSES2 on September 11, 2016, 07:13:51 am
That does look good
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swiss Saab J29CH 'Tönnli')
Post by: Martin H on September 11, 2016, 04:03:19 pm
I concur with the honrable member for Croydon North.

That scheme works well on the J29.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: nönöbär on September 25, 2016, 05:50:13 am
Lets start with something new form the 60s:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160828134046.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160828134114.jpg)

This should be build in Luftwaffe Norm 72 colors:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20160925143210.jpg)



Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: NARSES2 on September 25, 2016, 06:29:27 am
Interesting idea, looking forward to it
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: nönöbär on October 02, 2016, 08:09:25 am
The Rf-101 is now able to stand on its wheels:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161002170332.jpg)

Airbreaks and Cockpit will be build open.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: NARSES2 on October 03, 2016, 06:41:00 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 04, 2016, 01:01:18 am
A friend of mine built a similar Norm'72 Voodoo - but as a single-seat fighter:

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5471/10887342004_0ae1b786b1_b.jpg)

Looks gorgeous, IMHO.  :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: zenrat on October 04, 2016, 01:18:31 am
I may be missing something, but doesn't that have two seats?
It's certainly got two ladders.

I looks very good though.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 04, 2016, 11:57:35 pm
Ah, no, mistake of mine - it's a two-seater, as an F-4F alternative. Mea culpa.  :angel:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: Captain Canada on October 06, 2016, 03:59:47 pm
Looking good so far ! Love the Voodoo and that camo. One would look good in the later hemp scheme or whatever they called it on the F-4.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: zenrat on October 07, 2016, 01:25:47 am
Ah, no, mistake of mine - it's a two-seater, as an F-4F alternative. Mea culpa.  :angel:

That's all right Dizz, I forgive you.  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: nönöbär on October 09, 2016, 02:50:29 am
Almost everything is in place now, finish and decals are missing. Cockpit cupola will be added later as it will made open:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161009122448.jpg)

In differenct to the one Dizzy showed, mine will be a recon version.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: nönöbär on October 16, 2016, 05:27:49 am
Starting with the decals now, the completion is not too far away....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161016144114.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: DogfighterZen on October 16, 2016, 04:30:19 pm
Looking good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: kerick on October 16, 2016, 07:53:36 pm
That looks really good!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe RF-101 Voodoo')
Post by: piko1 on October 23, 2016, 11:48:15 am
that voodoo is level over 9000 (that reminds me of a specific F-8G that i posted in arc several years back ) i love everything in  Luftwaffe colors
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: nönöbär on November 06, 2016, 06:43:29 am
Time to start something new.
So this is what I use for it:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161023145024.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161023145110.jpg)

Right now, the cockpit has been made:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161030171130.jpg)

And the hull has been put together:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161106165720.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: NARSES2 on November 06, 2016, 06:44:37 am
M for Marine ?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 06, 2016, 10:06:52 am
There was a real navalized Ju 87... But why not add a fictional one?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: nönöbär on November 06, 2016, 10:24:47 am
M for Marine ?

Yes, I still need a Ju87 for my Graf Zeppelin air wing.... :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: Captain Canada on November 06, 2016, 07:19:00 pm
Love love love that Voodoo ! The Junkers is looking good so far. Always been a fan of the Naval version.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: NARSES2 on November 07, 2016, 06:29:48 am
There was a real navalized Ju 87... But why not add a fictional one?

Yup, but wasn't it the Feisler that was going to be used on the Graf Zepelin ?

M for Marine ?


Yes, I still need a Ju87 for my Graf Zeppelin air wing.... :)

Good, looking forward to it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: nönöbär on December 03, 2016, 06:10:08 am
After a little break, some progress on the Ju87.

Basic painting is done now in a three colour scheme:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161203162150.jpg)

Now, all the smaller parts are next.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: zenrat on December 04, 2016, 02:40:35 am
Nice.  I should build another Stuka.  I need to find an affordable A with those cool trousers.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: nönöbär on December 04, 2016, 04:55:37 am
Now it looks much better with some wheels below it....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161204124806.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: zenrat on December 05, 2016, 02:46:12 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: NARSES2 on December 05, 2016, 07:32:39 am
Nice.  I should build another Stuka.  I need to find an affordable A with those cool trousers.

Look for one of the original MPM/Special Hobby boxing's rather than the latter ones. Takes a little work but goes together well in the end.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: zenrat on December 05, 2016, 02:18:06 pm
Nice.  I should build another Stuka.  I need to find an affordable A with those cool trousers.

Look for one of the original MPM/Special Hobby boxing's rather than the latter ones. Takes a little work but goes together well in the end.

I'm keeping an eye out but they don't go cheaply - the latest Special Hobby is $36 at one on-line shop I use.
I may end up getting a new Airfix B and fairing in the legs.  That should confuse people.
I have the Airfix book on the Stuka (published in the dark ages when I was young and had hair) and it includes instructions and plans on converting the 1/24 kit into an A.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 05, 2016, 03:15:25 pm
Trousered main gear legs are remarkably easy to scratch build.

My first attempt at it came off very well, see my Hawker Cyclone thread here :- http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,38942.msg641111.html#msg641111 (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,38942.msg641111.html#msg641111)

The 6th pic down shows the construction of the trousers.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: zenrat on December 05, 2016, 09:58:49 pm
Ah, I remember now...
Thanks Kit.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: Flyer on December 06, 2016, 07:57:12 am
I prefer Kit's Cyclone to a Hurricane no contest.

Carrier Stuka is looking good. :thumbsup:

For a long time I've wanted to build an Ju-87A with twin fins and a later version like a Ju-87G also with twin fins as if that was the production choice, along with a Stuka of some type with an inverted V-tail and fixed or retractable nosewheel landing gear inspired by zenrat.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: nönöbär on December 11, 2016, 07:27:05 am
Dive breaks added: check
Bomb added: check
Drop tanks added: check
Arrestor hock added : WHAT? Ok, its still missing and we have to find a solution for it.....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161211172022.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: nönöbär on December 18, 2016, 07:25:44 am
Finally, decals added and waiting for the last finish layer:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161218175200.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Ju87M')
Post by: NARSES2 on December 19, 2016, 06:29:54 am
Coming along nicely  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: nönöbär on January 08, 2017, 09:06:14 am
The new year has started, the Flugwerft has opened again and my engineer has developed some new plans.

When building my Luftwaffe Saab Draaken http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,42141.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,42141.0.html) I had another idea for a what-if based on this model. So here we go:

The box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161218162221.jpg)

What is in it?
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161218162217.jpg)

The beginning - lets start with the pilot:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170108180930.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: Captain Canada on January 08, 2017, 08:04:17 pm
Neat stuff. Love that aeroplane and can't wait to see some more. Love that Stuka as well, just something so neat about it. The colours ? The stance ?

 :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: nönöbär on January 15, 2017, 06:53:11 am
Something is sticking out there...

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170115172902.jpg)

... and the pilot is already in his cockpit.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: nönöbär on January 22, 2017, 08:22:32 am
It now starts to look like something that can fly.....

Upper side:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170122182828.jpg)

Lower side:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170122182834.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: nönöbär on February 05, 2017, 08:14:55 am
First colours have been added, but this will still change a lot:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170205184730.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: nönöbär on February 12, 2017, 07:41:50 am
After last weeks black, it now looks a bit more colourful...

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170212180756.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170212180816.jpg)

Working on the landing gear right now.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: nönöbär on February 19, 2017, 06:52:57 am
The landing gear is now attached - no wheels this time:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170219170542.jpg)

Just a few little things until its done.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: nönöbär on March 19, 2017, 03:45:14 am
Time to start something new, so there is what to start with:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170219170816.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170219154840.jpg)

As usual, those imsple HobbyBoss kits are packed nicely.

The main parts are put quite fast together, so painting can start:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170319130144.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: zenrat on March 19, 2017, 04:45:05 am
Not the most inspiring piece of box art but IM(limited)E these Hobby Boss kits are not bad.

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: GCC/Saab Spacedragon)
Post by: Old Wombat on March 19, 2017, 07:20:55 am
The box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20161218162221.jpg)

This is the kit I'm shortly to reveal in the Soviet GB. ;D

Like what you did with both of yours, especially the German variant. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: nönöbär on March 26, 2017, 07:42:02 am
Airbrush painting has been done now, so time to start to add all the little details:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170326172932.jpg)

(The tail is in dark green, this is not so visible on the photo)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: NARSES2 on March 27, 2017, 06:12:27 am
Be interesting seeing an E in natural metal. I've seen G before - real world Mosquito chaser- nice work on the paint job btw  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: nönöbär on April 02, 2017, 07:40:26 am
Only slow progress this week, but now from its other side:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170402165210.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: nönöbär on April 09, 2017, 10:32:02 am
Landing gear, propeller, so ready to add decals:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20170409202112.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 09, 2017, 11:01:17 am
Not the most inspiring piece of box art but IM(limited)E these Hobby Boss kits are not bad.

Second that. The Hobby Boss 109E is actually pretty good, it even has a cockpit interior. Fit is excellent, as well as surface detail.

The NMF 109E looks a bit odd, but I am curiosu what becomes of it, markings-wise?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Messerschmitt/Mitsubushi 109E)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 10, 2017, 07:20:32 am

The NMF 109E looks a bit odd, but I am curiosu what becomes of it, markings-wise?

Me as well. I've one or two thoughts, but when I think about them my brain goes....no !
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Cessna D-EVEL)
Post by: nönöbär on May 14, 2017, 08:09:46 am
A model that took quite a while to complete is now done.

A Cessna.
What?
A boring little Cessna?

Well, this actual plane, the D-EVEL, is the only plane I could fly myseff in real life. At least for a few minutes when we did a round trip over Rügen in the Baltic Sea. Pilot gave me the controls when we were past Cape Arkona. And what should I say, my "training" at the MS Flightsim did help quite good :)

So I wanted to build this plane, in the correct coulor and registration. I found this 1/48 scale ESCI kit of a Cessna 172 on ebay. Unfourtunaly the previous owner had started with it already and was very creative with what he did. So not everything could be fixed, but at least I managed to make the right paint job and decals for it. And yes, I did not add enough weight to the front, so I need the "box" at the tail....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017051417400006.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017051417400008.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017051417400010.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017051417400011.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017051417400012.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Cessna D-EVEL)
Post by: Captain Canada on May 14, 2017, 08:13:44 am
Spent more time building it than flying it lol. Looks great !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Cessna D-EVEL)
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 14, 2017, 01:16:15 pm
Sweet, I love it. These little civil birds are the coolest if you ask me. And how neat is it to model one you rode in and flew yourself! 
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Cessna D-EVEL)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 15, 2017, 12:05:41 am
Nice one!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Cessna D-EVEL)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 15, 2017, 06:11:24 am
Come out very well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: nönöbär on June 10, 2017, 05:14:01 am
So far, I made several What-If Marineflieger aircraft, most as potential planes of my What-If "Graf Zeppelin".

But one classic one is still missing: The F4 Phantom II.

So lets build one in the typical Marineflieger camo scheme.

This is the model to start with:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017041612292519.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017041612292520.jpg)

And the progress so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017061014450001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 10, 2017, 05:39:30 am
Basaltgrau und Lichtgrau, or rather the later wraparound scheme from the Tornados? Both should look pretty cool.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: zenrat on June 11, 2017, 03:43:21 am
That is an old one.  I built a later boxing of the same kit.  Fit was not the best.  Looks like you had issues in the same areas I had.  Looks like you've got it all under control though.
I've got a similar vintage F-4E in the stash.  Moulded in shiny dark green.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: nönöbär on July 02, 2017, 09:52:13 am
Too much around in "real life" at the moment, so only slow progress on the F4.

As for all of my Marienfleiger models, I will go for a Basaltgrau/Lichtgrau camo (altough the later wone is while on my kits all the time).

So here is the lower side of it:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017070219240007.jpg)

Going for the Basltgrau part next.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: nönöbär on July 09, 2017, 03:50:06 am
Next colour has been added, so the genral paint scheme is done now.

Before adding gear, drop tanke and missles, the radar nose and metal finish at the engines must be done:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017070913170002.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: zenrat on July 09, 2017, 03:55:29 am
That looks bonza.   :thumbsup:
Demarkation between white and a darker colour is always harder to do but that is very crisp and straight.  Good job.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 09, 2017, 06:09:43 am
I have to agree with Mr Zenrat, very, very neat  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 09, 2017, 07:34:12 am
Niiiiiice!  Looking quite glorious in them colors.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: nönöbär on July 16, 2017, 09:12:22 am
Next steps for the F4, ists now standing on its own wheels, radar nose and bare metal parts at the tail painted:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017071619060001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: Martin H on July 16, 2017, 02:23:08 pm
Hadnt considered the Toom in that Marine fleiger scheme. I like it  :thumbsup:
An idea I may "borrow" at some point  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F-4 Phantom II)
Post by: nönöbär on July 23, 2017, 10:15:46 am
Almost evrtything has been added to the F4 now, tanks (a lot of them), missiles, landing gear.
Now i have to see if i have some decals for it somewhere in the box.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017072319530001.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017072319530002.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: nönöbär on July 30, 2017, 07:56:57 am
Whilel the Phantom is waiting for its final decals, another little bird left NöNö Bärs Flugwerft - A Flettner FL-282 Helicopter.

One of the first operational helicopers build, it first flew in October 1941. Until the end of the war 20-30 of those little helicopters were build. Especially the Navy was interested in the helicopter and in 1942, experiments of ship-based operatiosn were tested on the "Greif".

The model is a 1/72 Huma kit and one of those Huma models where you want to bite in your desk as the quality of the parts are not very good. It does not fit very well, and sometimes its hard to identify the part at all among all the clutter in the injection-moulded frame.

Some pics of the build model:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017070219340018.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017070219340020.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017070219350022.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017070219350023.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 30, 2017, 08:16:38 am
You've made a good job of that.  :thumbsup:

I've got that same Huma kit, and it frightened me so much when I opened the box that's it's been stashed in The Loft for over 15 years!  :banghead:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: KiwiZac on July 30, 2017, 02:50:23 pm
Fantastic! Although I'm hanging out for a copy of the 1/48 kit - I'm not as brave as you!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 31, 2017, 06:17:15 am
I eventually sold my copy of that kit on as I just didn't fancy even trying to get it together.

You've done a great job  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: nönöbär on August 01, 2017, 03:17:31 am
You've made a good job of that.  :thumbsup:

I've got that same Huma kit, and it frightened me so much when I opened the box that's it's been stashed in The Loft for over 15 years!  :banghead:

Well, when I saw the kit, I was first a bit "shocked" if i really should try it. At that point I did not see how bad the parts fit together, but one could have guessed it.
Afaik, this is the only 1/72 kit of this little thing, so I had to make it.

I also have the Fa-223 kit from huma here, and I fear this one will also be quite a challange.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: NARSES2 on August 01, 2017, 06:11:55 am

I also have the Fa-223 kit from huma here, and I fear this one will also be quite a challange.

I've not seen a built example of the Fa-223 (at least I can't remember having) but I'm sure you can do a good job.

I quite like Huma kits I must admit. Enjoyed the ones I've built even though they've taken some effort.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: zenrat on August 01, 2017, 11:52:09 pm
Cool.  It'a giving me ideas regarding a pair of Hueys and a FW 189...
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Flettner FL-282)
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 02, 2017, 06:38:25 am
Nicely done!!! Took me a minute to figure out what was going on with the rotary wings...   then I realized they're two separate bits!   For all the quirky aspects of the build, you handled it well and made a really cool model.    :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Me 163)
Post by: nönöbär on October 15, 2017, 06:31:05 am
Something I wanted to build for quite a while - not really a What-If as it really flew - the Me 163.

So I grabbed a HobbyBoss kit in 1/72 and buidl if OOB. I really like those simple, cheap Hobby Boss models, they fit quite good, have good decals and are quite fun for a quick build now and then. So there we are:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515360003.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515360004.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515360005.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515360006.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515360007.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515370008.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515370009.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017101515370010.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Me 163)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 15, 2017, 07:12:46 am
Now that's neat  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Me 163)
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 16, 2017, 02:42:33 am
Hey, looks good man!!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: nönöbär on November 05, 2017, 08:39:02 am
This one will another model of the "Fatherland" timeline, based on the theme of the book by Robert Harris. Or it could be "The Man in the high Castle" which is mayber better known after the Amazon Series.

So, this will be the Junkers 707 Interkontinental Airliners. Which is - surprise, surperise - based on the a Boeing 707 kit. With a few additions of course.

So this is that i will use:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017081315452623.jpg)

Which is mainly this (and it fits quite bad, a lot of putty is required)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017081315452624.jpg)


After the first putty and sandin sessions, the first two colours have been added, two more to come:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017110519270001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 05, 2017, 09:49:51 am
This looks like a VERY cool project!!!   :mellow: :mellow: :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: KiwiZac on November 05, 2017, 11:03:27 am
I'm always happy to see a model from the Fatherland universe! Very cool!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: loupgarou on November 06, 2017, 02:47:48 am
Interesting. I suppose/hope you will use the engine pods from the B-52, Baade 152 style. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: nönöbär on November 12, 2017, 07:13:54 am
THe basic painting is done now, a few spots where masking did not work so well have to be fixed:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017111218070001.jpg)

Engines are already build, painted and added to see if they fit correctly.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 13, 2017, 12:28:55 am
That looks very good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 13, 2017, 04:17:40 am
Yuuuuuuuup, sure does!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: nönöbär on November 19, 2017, 08:45:49 am
The engines are now fixed, lower side of the wings are painted:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017111919150001.jpg)

Currently fighting with the cockpit window, does not behave as it should ....  :angry:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: KiwiZac on November 19, 2017, 11:37:20 am
Oooooh that looks cool! Top work!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: NARSES2 on November 20, 2017, 06:47:09 am
Oooooh that looks cool! Top work!

Totally agree  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: loupgarou on November 20, 2017, 10:04:01 am
Good job! The black painted parts of the wing undersides are to cover exhaust traces from the Jumo engines, I suppose?  &lt;_&lt;
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 21, 2017, 07:32:33 pm
^^^^^
Me too!!!
 :wub: :wub: :wub: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Junkers 707 - Fatherland Timeline)
Post by: nönöbär on November 26, 2017, 08:10:08 am
@loupgaru: Yes, and to be a bit in the Lufthansa 1903s style.

The Junkers 707 is now wheels down:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2017112618590006.jpg)

Now work starts on the decals.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on February 04, 2018, 08:26:52 am
My engineer is back in town so lets start something new:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018020413550003.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018020413560004.jpg)


I always liked this plane, but I wonder how it will look in Luftwaffe colors....
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: Tophe on February 04, 2018, 08:44:30 am
Luftwaffe 1975 or Luftwaffe 1946?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on February 04, 2018, 08:55:01 am
Luftwaffe 1975 or Luftwaffe 1946?  ;D ;)

 ;D 1975. Or later. Have not decided which camo scheme to use.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: TallEng on February 04, 2018, 03:19:20 pm
Luftwaffe Norm 72? Green/Grey splinter on top and silberwiesse undersides, :thumbsup:
I'm sure Airdoc do some decal sheets for Norm 72 Phantoms, bound to be a squadron you could use on there.
Regards
Keith
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 04, 2018, 05:25:41 pm
Cool project, bud. This ought to be good!! 
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 05, 2018, 01:17:06 am
I always thought that was such a futuristic looking aircraft back in the day when it was unveiled. Will look good in Luftwaffe colours  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 05, 2018, 01:44:58 am
I think that one of the later Norm '81 schemes should work well on the Viggen (it's lines are very similar to the Phantom)? It would also match the potential time frame.

(http://originalundmodell.de/reviews2016_3/reviews2016_3_htm_files/359235.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 05, 2018, 06:51:45 am
Who's this 'Norm' guy you're all talking about?  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on February 09, 2018, 06:32:34 am
Well, I guess I will go for Norm83, I like those colour on a plane.

Which brings me to the next issus: Decals. As my decal box has no modern Luftwaffe ones in it anymore - does anymone have an idea where to get some 1/72 scale Bundesluftwaffe decals. Phantom or Starfighter. Searched for it in the web but was not succesful with it so far.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 09, 2018, 05:23:55 pm
That's gonna be so cool in those colours
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 10, 2018, 03:32:08 am
HaHen, from which the profile above was taken, is actually a decal maker. Peddinghaus Decals also comes to my mind, but these will be VERY thin short run decals on a continous carrier film. And there are several other aftermarket sheets available.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on February 11, 2018, 12:03:43 pm
HaHen, from which the profile above was taken, is actually a decal maker. Peddinghaus Decals also comes to my mind, but these will be VERY thin short run decals on a continous carrier film. And there are several other aftermarket sheets available.

I did not know the HanHen, but they seem to have what I need for this kit. I have used Peddinghaus before for some 1:144 scale models, but so far I had no problems with them. Just had to be carefull in cutting them out.

For decals with transparent backgorund, I would make them myself, but for white ones, this does not work.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 11, 2018, 04:35:48 pm

For decals with transparent backgorund, I would make them myself, but for white ones, this does not work.


I've managed to do that in a limited number of cases, but only some designs work like that.

Trimming the edges of white decal paper is best done at an angle, with the point of the scalpel pointing underneath the decal area. That minimises the view of the edges of the white decal paper when it's on the model.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on March 25, 2018, 06:27:48 am
Carnival and vacation time is over somy engineer could continue with the models.

While waiting for colors and decals, the basic work on the Viggen continues:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018032516050001.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on April 07, 2018, 05:45:16 am
Ready to add the camo, colours and decals just arrived yesterday:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018040715130001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on April 15, 2018, 04:03:13 am
First camo colour added, next to come:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018041513380001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on April 22, 2018, 05:50:56 am
The exciting moment when you remove all the masking after all three camo colours are added:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018042213590001.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018042213590002.jpg)

Landing gear, weapons and decals next.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: Captain Canada on April 22, 2018, 02:48:27 pm
Very exciting. The colours look great !
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: zenrat on April 23, 2018, 04:28:05 am
Noice.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 23, 2018, 07:24:07 am
That is neat
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: TheChronicOne on April 23, 2018, 02:55:13 pm
Go for the gusto!!!  Awesome looking jet right there!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: nönöbär on April 30, 2018, 06:07:40 am
The Saab is now standing on its own wheels. A glossy finisher is sprayed over everything to prepere the model for the decals.

My engineer makes a final check before we can go and add decals (a first one has been added by him so far), weapons and small fragile parts.


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018043016060001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe Saab Viggen)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 30, 2018, 07:35:48 am
Glad to see he's paying close attention  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on May 19, 2018, 10:38:04 am
Something completly different now - The Focke-Wulf 800.

This will be made using those kits:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018050511260003.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018050511270004.jpg)

Knife, putty and a lot of sanding is required now...

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 19, 2018, 03:41:11 pm
 :drink: :cheers:   Yeah, this will be good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 20, 2018, 01:39:24 am
This will be interesting
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on May 20, 2018, 02:28:01 am
The original engines of the Viscount have to be removed, so it was a tough job for my engineer with a lot of putty and sanding. He has very small hands, so it it took him a while.

Checking if everything is allright now:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018052011200001.jpg)

Test if the wings fit:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018052011200002.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on May 24, 2018, 08:43:08 am
As the original engines were removed, we need some new ones:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018052011200003.jpg)

And again, a lot of putty and sanding required.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: TallEng on May 24, 2018, 01:42:57 pm
Reminds me of the Nene/Tay Viscount
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=nene+viscount&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari#imgrc=WACLp3bKWFH8PM:

(I'm sure you'll be able to think of a German river name for the engines)  ;D
Looking good :thumbsup:

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on May 25, 2018, 05:44:37 am
I guess there will be some similarities to the Vickers 663 Tay-Viscount ....  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 25, 2018, 06:25:44 am
That's looking promising.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 25, 2018, 08:36:26 am
That's looking promising.  :thumbsup:

Very  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on May 26, 2018, 05:48:25 am
After the wings have been added to the fuselage, it now look like an aircraft.

The weings have been added in a bit different position than on the original model, so I am now almost running out of putty.

My engineer helps me a bit with the photos:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018052615450001.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018052615450002.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 27, 2018, 06:26:10 am
That's looking very good mate  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 31, 2018, 02:56:41 pm
It looks very much like the Tay Viscount too.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on June 03, 2018, 12:03:52 am
Some colour has been added, but still a way to go.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018060309570001.jpg)

In difference to the Tay Viscount, the landing gear will not be mounted in the engine pods, as the Jumo-006 does not provide enough space for it. Therefore, additional pods were mounted to the inner wings.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018060309570002.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 03, 2018, 06:43:53 am

In difference to the Tay Viscount, the landing gear will not be mounted in the engine pods, as the Jumo-006 does not provide enough space for it. Therefore, additional pods were mounted to the inner wings.


That sounds a very sensible idea. I've always wondered at the sanity of designers who folded up rubber tyres right next door to a blazing hot jet exhaust, viz. Tay Viscount, Vautour, B-47 etc. etc.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on June 11, 2018, 11:06:45 am
Sadly, I do not have so much time for model building right now, but at least the main colours are now added to the plane.

My engineer checks everything before we can start to make the decals for it.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018061018110001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: NARSES2 on June 12, 2018, 06:30:24 am
That is a neat looking design and with those engine nacelles very much of the period  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 12, 2018, 09:27:07 am
Coming together like a set of butt cheeks!! Can't beat it.  That yellow on the tail is going to be a hilite of this build, I'm sure of it!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on June 13, 2018, 06:54:47 am
I first wanted to make this as another Lufthansa plane in the Fahtherland universe. But after I airbrushed it completly in yellow to see where I need some additionall sanding, the yellow tail looked quite good. So I decided to keep the yellow tail and so it will by some other hypothetical airline. Still have to decide which name it will get.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on June 13, 2018, 07:23:14 am
Could become an early Condor airliner (the Lufthansa cahrter flight sister) in the original livery (here's a retro B767):

(https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/crop4641120/4153883224-cfreecrop_21_9-w1280-h720-otx0_y67-q75-p5/condor-boeing-767-300-achim.jpg)

Just needs some blue trim.  ;D

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: TheChronicOne on June 13, 2018, 07:53:40 am
Could become an early Condor airliner (the Lufthansa cahrter flight sister) in the original livery (here's a retro B767):

(https://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/crop4641120/4153883224-cfreecrop_21_9-w1280-h720-otx0_y67-q75-p5/condor-boeing-767-300-achim.jpg)

Just needs some blue trim.  ;D




That's a good lookin' livery right there!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on June 16, 2018, 11:04:46 pm
Well, yes, it look a bit like a Condor, but it will be something different.

My engineer now added all the decals form the original kit, so we have some windows on the plane. Looks much better now.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018061709040001.jpg)

In the meantime, the airline decals are printed and are prepared to be added to the model.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: zenrat on June 17, 2018, 02:06:55 am
Your engineer has done a good job, as always.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: NARSES2 on June 17, 2018, 05:33:05 am
Your engineer has done a good job, as always.
 :thumbsup:

True, but he appears to have a slightly quizzical look on his face in that pic ? Looks as though he's uncertain about something ?  ;) ;)

Lovely job as usual   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: nönöbär on June 19, 2018, 12:58:33 pm
Well, he told me that he has some fears that the landing gear will not be right. He is thinking quite a while about it now.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Fatherland - Focke-Wulf 800)
Post by: NARSES2 on June 20, 2018, 02:50:47 am
Well, he told me that he has some fears that the landing gear will not be right. He is thinking quite a while about it now.

Think twice, act once, intelligent bear  :thumbsup: ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: nönöbär on July 01, 2018, 08:39:16 am
The next project will be anoother Japanese-German Cooperation in repainting a Japanese plane in Luftwaffe colours

This is the box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018062414480019.jpg)

This is in the box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018062414480020.jpg)

This has been build so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018070118010001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: nönöbär on July 15, 2018, 04:00:24 am
The cockpit is in place now
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018071510510002.jpg)

Basically everything is ready to send it into the paint shop
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018071510510001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: NARSES2 on July 15, 2018, 04:53:00 am
Looking forward to the scheme you choose for this
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: nönöbär on July 16, 2018, 11:46:49 pm
Looking forward to the scheme you choose for this

I am still not sure which colour scheme to use. Currently trying a few ones on a test model, but so far, there is no real favourite.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: NARSES2 on July 17, 2018, 06:14:36 am
I've become a lot more patient since I retired  ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: nönöbär on August 05, 2018, 03:05:04 am
Its simply too hot these days, makes no real fun to build some models.

Anyway, at least some painting has been done, after several camo tests, I returend to something more classic:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018080511240002.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: nönöbär on August 19, 2018, 09:22:13 am
While the "Ente" is in its final construction phases, something else just got completed:

Last year, I watched the Japanese move "Eternal Zero" with my GF. As the name suggests, there are quite a lot Zeros in it. So my GF bought me a Hasegawa Zero box - with two kits in it - last christmas which of course I had to build.

While still wondering what kind of What-If to make from it, as I already have made a Luftwaffe Zero from Airfix kit, I decided to build the first of the two as a classic Japanese one. But trying to make it it bit used, so here is the result:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018081212570006.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018081212570008.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018081212570009.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018081212570010.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018081212580011.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018081212580012.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: NARSES2 on August 20, 2018, 07:07:44 am
That's come out really nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 21, 2018, 01:40:57 am
Yes, that looks very nice!!!   Great work, bud!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 24, 2018, 03:36:26 am
Nice outcome!

A nice use of a Zero is the travesty into a Swedish Saab J19 fighter that never was, but was actually designed along the A6M's outlines:

(http://www.x-plane.org/home/urf/aviation/text/saabcanc/j19.gif)

I already did two of these (as personal interpretations), looks very convincing.  ;)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado P71 "Ente")
Post by: nighthunter on August 24, 2018, 07:10:32 am
Nevermind that the Gloster F.5 was of a similar design too.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: nönöbär on November 11, 2018, 06:05:22 am
I wanted to use some parts of this F-16 model for another What-If project, but after some initial tests, it did not work as it should.
As I never build a F-16, I thought "Why not build a What-if from it".

Bad idea. The 1/72 scale Smer kit is - lets say it nicely - just awful. A very soft palsitc, not ver good to work with. and parts fit so good that a little hamster could climb through all the gaps.
So I don't know if I will finish this one or if it will fly out of the window.


The Box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018110313130003.jpg)

The Parts:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018110313140004.jpg)

Progress so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018111115020018.jpg)

Good fit quality.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018111115020019.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 12, 2018, 02:30:27 am
This looks like a re-incarnation of the (horrible) Intech F-16 kit?

Looking forward to your interpretation of Scottish national insignia!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: Scotaidh on November 12, 2018, 03:10:12 am
I've always regarded such ill-fitting kits as prime candidates for Whiffing projects.  After all, one could hardly be expected to expend all the time and effort necessary to build it OOB, when other, better-fitting, kits of the same subject abound. 

No - these sorts of kits are perfect for chop-and-graft jobs, if only because of the amounts of putty already needed anyway just to make the seams look good.  :)  So find another similarly-sized fuselage of something completely different, add a cigar-tube, and Vulcan wings, and  .... well, whatever you want and think will be mind-bending!  :)  Stick the cockpit on a VW Bug chassis and call it a Basic Trainer!  :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: Snowtrooper on November 12, 2018, 03:55:38 am
The featureless tube pretending to be the burner can is also present on Mister/Mastercraft F-16 (have two in the stash as parts donors), and that is alleged to be a knockoff of the old Italeri mould (which obviously had a more detailed burner can). It's such a telltale sign that I wouldn't be surprised if these are actually all from the same knockoff mould.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 12, 2018, 04:39:09 am
The Mastercraft kit is another Intech zombie!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: nönöbär on November 12, 2018, 06:05:23 am
I have some other Mastercraft kits here around and they have the same soft plastic like this "F-16".

Initally, I only wanted to use the wings of this one for another project, but they were too small for what i wanted. So I will try my best for it.

And I think the " featureless tube" as Snowtrooper called it must be a special Scottish improvement of the F-16, I still don't know for what.... :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: Scotaidh on November 12, 2018, 09:22:23 am
I have some other Mastercraft kits here around and they have the same soft plastic like this "F-16".

Initally, I only wanted to use the wings of this one for another project, but they were too small for what i wanted. So I will try my best for it.

And I think the " featureless tube" as Snowtrooper called it must be a special Scottish improvement of the F-16, I still don't know for what.... :)

Smoothbore, for less induced drag and more power at the output.  ;) 

Hey, if it works for tank guns, why not aircraft?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: Doug K on November 12, 2018, 09:26:28 am
I'm suffering a Smer Corsair, what a waste of plastic! Raised panel lines but such a bad fit I could not be bothered re-scribing. Worst thing is - I have another one in the stash!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: nönöbär on November 17, 2018, 07:19:12 am
Has to use quite some putty and do a lot of sanding to remove all the gaps between the parts.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018111713230004.jpg)

The cockpit was very simple, so I added at least a flightstick and upgraded the seat a bit.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018111713230003.jpg)

Quite hard to get the special scottich "featurless tuebe" in the right place, its a real putty mess at the moment.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: nönöbär on November 25, 2018, 07:39:27 am
Scotish Pilots must be brave. Very brave. There are so many holes and gaps between the parts in this plane, that it will be a real putty monster.

It was close to flying directly out of the sixth floor here, but now I defnitly want to beat this pile of plastic. So here is how it looks now, I fear a lot more putty and sanding will be required before starting to paint it.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018112516240002.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: nönöbär on December 01, 2018, 08:24:31 am
I really "love" this kit, and therefore I bought another one of those:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018120117530003.jpg)

Seriously, its an awful one. However, the second kit - made by Mastercraft -seem to have some better production quality than the Smer one. Its identical, but has some other weapons and a few addtional parts to "pimp" the plane a bit.

So why did I get another one of those?

I needed some parts that were identical to the ones of the Smar model, as I had an idea while building....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018120117540004.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 01, 2018, 09:15:21 am
 :wub: :wub: :wub: :thumbsup:

Looks good to me, man. Haggis all around! 
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16)
Post by: Tophe on December 01, 2018, 09:27:42 am
Maybe this is not the very first twin F-16 that I see, but it is always a great pleasure, thanks! :thumbsup: :wub: :bow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: nönöbär on December 09, 2018, 07:33:57 am
Not so much to complain about this kit this time, but it was mostly painting.

So the main paint work has been done:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018120917240004.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Tophe on December 09, 2018, 07:36:44 am
Good! The YF-17/F-18 would have been in good company! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Scotaidh on December 09, 2018, 11:51:23 am
Not so much to complain about this kit this time, but it was mostly painting.

So the main paint work has been done:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018120917240004.jpg)

Is it just me, or does it look as if you're planning to put a nose-inlet on that aircraft?  You know - make it "Lightning-esque" - radar cone in the middle of the inlet.  :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: nönöbär on December 09, 2018, 10:07:00 pm

Is it just me, or does it look as if you're planning to put a nose-inlet on that aircraft?  You know - make it "Lightning-esque" - radar cone in the middle of the inlet.  :)

No, the nose will be pretty normal for an F16 and the air intake below the cockpit. I just did not add it so far as it is painted in a different colour and I wanted to prevent to break the it during contruction. I managed to break those tiny winglets beside the cockpit at least 10 times now.....  :banghead:

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Scotaidh on December 10, 2018, 01:51:38 am

Is it just me, or does it look as if you're planning to put a nose-inlet on that aircraft?  You know - make it "Lightning-esque" - radar cone in the middle of the inlet.  :)

No, the nose will be pretty normal for an F16 and the air intake below the cockpit. I just did not add it so far as it is painted in a different colour and I wanted to prevent to break the it during contruction. I managed to break those tiny winglets beside the cockpit at least 10 times now.....  :banghead:

I feel your pain at those breakages ... Big banana fingers, here, so I break stuff all the time.   :-\ 

BTW, congrats on pushing through the fit issues.  I know you were pretty discouraged at one point - way to keep at it!  :)

I don't usually care for the F-16 much, but I might give my intake idea a go - I'm sure I have one somewhere in the SSR.  :)  Now I just have to think of a name and a backstory ...  :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: nönöbär on December 23, 2018, 06:25:45 am
Before my engineer leaves for his holiday vacation, a final preview of the F-16AT for this year:

Wheels, wings and nose are attacked, now decals and payload will be next.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018122216540001.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 23, 2018, 10:00:28 am
Now that's looking pretty darn good, and I'm a died-in-the-wool F-16 hater too.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: TheChronicOne on December 23, 2018, 12:14:51 pm
It's more spikey though!!   ;D ;D



 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Tophe on December 23, 2018, 05:15:52 pm
Good! :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: nönöbär on January 13, 2019, 06:10:36 am
My engineer is back from his vacation and while he did no model building, he created a few decals.

So the first batch of decals is added:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019011316000004.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019011316000005.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Tophe on January 13, 2019, 06:48:15 am
Good touch of what-if spirit! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: nönöbär on January 20, 2019, 06:22:24 am
So its mostly done now.

Fully weapons have been added, now the remaining decals and the canopy have to be completed.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019012015460003.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Tophe on January 20, 2019, 06:58:52 am
 :thumbsup: close to completion now :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Scotaidh on January 21, 2019, 03:10:14 am
I really like those decals!  Where did you get them, and how can I get lots of them?  :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: nönöbär on January 22, 2019, 07:07:50 am
I really like those decals!  Where did you get them, and how can I get lots of them?  :)

Well, made them myself. Searched the web for something I could use. Then printed them on decal paper, sealed them and could use them like any other decals.
Only problem was that I needed decal paper with white background, so I had to cut them out carefully.  Only the dragon on the tail was printed on transparent decal paper.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Tophe on January 22, 2019, 07:54:09 am
Thanks for these details in decal-engineering... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Scottish Airforce F-16AT)
Post by: Scotaidh on January 22, 2019, 01:08:14 pm
I really like those decals!  Where did you get them, and how can I get lots of them?  :)

Well, made them myself. Searched the web for something I could use. Then printed them on decal paper, sealed them and could use them like any other decals.
Only problem was that I needed decal paper with white background, so I had to cut them out carefully.  Only the dragon on the tail was printed on transparent decal paper.

I was afraid of that - I don't have the right kind of printer to make decals.  I tried once, and ... well, let's just say it didn't work.  :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Air Aran BN Islander)
Post by: nönöbär on February 03, 2019, 06:06:33 am
Whiel the F16 waits for the final work, here is another finisched model.

In 2014, we spend our summer vacation in Ireland. There, we made a day trip to the Aran islands, it takes you about one hour by boat or 7 minutes by plane. So we took the plane, a BN Islander.

I rebuild the one (correct registration etc.) that we used for this flight. The model is a 1/72 scale old Airfix kit. As it is a bit too tail heavy (not enough weight in the nose), I had to add a little helper in the back of the plane.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018112516410006.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018112516420007.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018112516420008.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2018112516420009.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Air Aran BN Islander)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 03, 2019, 06:20:27 am
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Air Aran BN Islander)
Post by: 63cpe on February 03, 2019, 07:03:15 am
Lovely! :wub:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Air Aran BN Islander)
Post by: JayBee on February 03, 2019, 07:36:49 am
In the RW both the Islander and the Trilander had a removeable strut that fitted into a hole in the tail bumper. It was the ground crew's responsiblity to make sure this was in place, or removed, as required.
It was not often needed with the Islander, but the Trilander was another matter. The ground crew had to make sure that the strut was in place before the pilot got out!.
This photo shows the strut fitted to a Trilander, however in this case it looks like it was fitted into the side of the fuselage. I have only ever seen it used with an Islander.

(https://uzl42vgt1w-flywheel.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/BTN-TR01-1040-HI962-exterior-left-4tail-engine.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Completed: Air Aran BN Islander)
Post by: zenrat on February 04, 2019, 02:30:44 am
Nice build.
I butchered one of these when a youth.

The aircraft I did my one parachute jump from was an Islander.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: nönöbär on February 10, 2019, 03:21:56 am
@JayBee: Now this is something, I will have to update the model with it. Thx!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: nönöbär on February 10, 2019, 03:54:29 am
Something completly different now....

With some huge effort, my engineer finally updated the workingspace of the Flugwerft (and the Schiffswerft as well). After freeing some space, he could now move all model building stuff into its own place, which largly increased the WAF as he did not had to work i the living room anymore.  ;D

So here is his new working space:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190210124201.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190210124302.jpg)

The 3D Printer:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190210124303.jpg)

Control monitor for the prints (which can take quite some time). I used an old HP Touchpad for it where i have installed Android besides the original webOS.
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190210132623.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 10, 2019, 06:41:13 am
Room with a view ! That looks great. Let's get a close up of the train display. That's something I've always wanted to do.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: nönöbär on February 10, 2019, 06:44:45 am
Room with a view ! That looks great. Let's get a close up of the train display. That's something I've always wanted to do.

Well, until last week, there was a model railroad (N-gauge) in this room. As I have not worked on it for years now, I have put it in the storage cellar and set up everything for scale building. Ahm, of course my engineer did all this....

And the view is nice, can see the Cologne Cathedral from there :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 14, 2019, 06:47:24 am
Can I borrow your engineer ?  ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: nönöbär on February 15, 2019, 10:30:55 am
Can I borrow your engineer ?  ;D

Well, actually I now noticed that the engineer is a she. My GF insisted that it is one. So she (the engineer) does not like to travel so much, because she must always think so much what to build next and how to do it.....  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 15, 2019, 01:14:46 pm
Ooooh yeah, I like the Ilsander!   What a joy to model a plane you've history with.  :mellow:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 16, 2019, 04:09:35 am
Can I borrow your engineer ?  ;D

Well, actually I now noticed that the engineer is a she. My GF insisted that it is one. So she (the engineer) does not like to travel so much, because she must always think so much what to build next and how to do it.....  ;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: zenrat on February 16, 2019, 05:37:13 pm
Room with a view indeed.
What floor are you on?

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: nönöbär on February 17, 2019, 01:11:54 am
Room with a view indeed.
What floor are you on?

It's 6th floor with a 360° roof terrace. From the "workshop" I have a nice view to Cologne cathedral. This room was filled with an unused model railway for many years, so I (or better, my engineer) had to escape to the living room for model building. GF did not like it so much. So I had to free this room.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (Updated Flugwerft)
Post by: nönöbär on February 17, 2019, 04:54:46 am
Thanks to the input of JayBee I upgraded the Islander a bit:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019021712255.jpg)

Looks better this way.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on February 24, 2019, 03:40:45 am
Lets start with something new. A modification to a Heinkel He 115:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019012015480006.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019012015490007.jpg)

As I had used the floats of this plane for my Canadair CL-87F "Firespotter" http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,41616.0.html (http://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php/topic,41616.0.html), this He115 will be on wheels.

Therefore, the wings have to be prepared for the wheels:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190210124405.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019021712256.jpg)

The wheels will be taken from an Airfix Do215 model.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: NARSES2 on February 24, 2019, 05:45:02 am
Going to be interesting  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: TomZ on February 24, 2019, 09:28:08 am
Great minds think alike  ;D

Here's my He-115K in progress.

(http://www.airwar1946.nl/pics/he-115L.jpg)

TomZ
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on February 25, 2019, 07:09:23 am
Great minds think alike  ;D

Here's my He-115K in progress.

(http://www.airwar1946.nl/pics/he-115L.jpg)

TomZ

Well, this looks quite familiar to me....  ;D

Will be intersting to see your paint job for it.

What kit do you use? I have the very old Revel (original Matchbox) kit which is a bit different on the front (all transparent).
And you use different landing legs, mine have legs at each side of the wheel.

However, I now discovered something bad: The hull of my He 115 is bend to the left. If I look at it directly from the front, the tail fin is not completly upright, the whole backward part of the hull is twisted a bit to one side :(

And idea how to fix it?  Heat would work I think, but I fear this can even do more damage.



Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 25, 2019, 07:28:32 am
This looks like the old Revell kit (a FROG mold), not the Matchbox mold. The latter can be recognized thorugh the label "He 115 B/C", while the Frog mold only comes as a "He 115 C".
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: TomZ on February 25, 2019, 08:56:48 am
I have the Revell kit. I hate that nose glazing. This is my third attempt on fixing it to the fuselage without smearing glue all over it.
The first two were not in line with the rest of the fuselage.

My undercarriage comes from a Junkers Ju-188 (Guess where the He-115s floats are going......)

It will be finished in a scheme of a South American country (exact country not yet determined) as an export model.
Don't expect the finished build before the summer however. I have quite some builds going on at the moment.
I can only spray paint when the weather gets a bit better as I do it in an unheated shed in the garden.

TomZ
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: TomZ on February 25, 2019, 08:58:40 am
However, I now discovered something bad: The hull of my He 115 is bend to the left. If I look at it directly from the front, the tail fin is not completly upright, the whole backward part of the hull is twisted a bit to one side :(
And idea how to fix it?  Heat would work I think, but I fear this can even do more damage.

I would try immersing it in hot water and the gently bending it the other way.


TomZ
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on February 25, 2019, 12:15:15 pm
@TomZ: I just hate all those cockpit windows of this plane. I am sitting here masking it for years now.

Will try with hot water, the next days, wish me luck with it.... :)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on March 03, 2019, 03:10:33 am
@TomZ: Well hot water helped, the tail is now much morei nshape than before.

Almost all of the masking has been done now, so its close to go to the paint shop:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019030311504.jpg)

As the He 115 D will be a recon plane, a large pod has been added where the former bomb bay was:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019030311515.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on March 10, 2019, 06:49:10 am
The first paint is one now, plus several smaller parts are prepared to be used after camo painting is done:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019031015091.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: TheChronicOne on March 11, 2019, 07:23:04 pm
Yay!!    Looks good, bud!!!!
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on March 17, 2019, 06:38:50 am
The second camo colour has been added

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190317130308.jpg)

Now preparing everything to paint the lower side of the plane.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: Scotaidh on March 17, 2019, 10:06:24 am
Lookin' good!  :)   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on March 24, 2019, 12:59:49 am
The final camo colour has been added - as this He 115 will be used for night recon flights,, i got a black lower part:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190324091203.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190324091202.jpg)

For longer range, addtitional fuel tanks have been added.

Now the landing gear is next.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: nönöbär on March 31, 2019, 01:25:50 am
Finally, the He 115 stand on its own wheels:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190331100502.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190331100503.jpg)

A few more little things until the decals will be added.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Heinkel He 115 D)
Post by: NARSES2 on March 31, 2019, 06:37:22 am
There are aspects of this, mainly all that glazing, that makes it look slightly Japanese in my eyes.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: nönöbär on May 04, 2019, 06:45:19 am
Time to build something a bit more modern.

This time, it will be a Messerschmitt / Hispano Aviacion 200 as a Luftwaffe training aircraft in the early 1960s.

This is the box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190414101709.jpg)

And this is in the box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190414101910.jpg)

Starting to build the cockpit:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019042109259.jpg)

Put together hull and wings. There is quite some putty required on this model
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190504152202.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 04, 2019, 08:08:12 am
Cool project!!   
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: nönöbär on May 05, 2019, 12:40:08 am
The interesting thing of this aircraft is that it was desgined by Willy Messerschmitt while he worked in Spain after WW2. So you could call it a Me "something"

I once build this one as the Spanish Version:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2016012412181939.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: Tophe on May 05, 2019, 12:55:48 am
Congratulations for this pretty model... :thumbsup:
And I add personal thanks, because… I had not noticed the fin here looks so much like a Mustang's, so I will invent (as drawing) mixes in that direction… thanks again! ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: Dizzyfugu on May 05, 2019, 02:19:01 am
With that engine arrangement  a jet-powered Mustang could be easily possible, too...?
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: Tophe on May 05, 2019, 07:51:40 am
Yes, here they are, thanks again! ;D
(http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/P-51_profil01_ek.jpg) ;D
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: Captain Canada on May 09, 2019, 04:49:07 pm
Such a funny looking/ neat looking bird ! Love the straight wings. Camo looks great as well.
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: zenrat on May 10, 2019, 01:21:32 am
Good job.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: nönöbär on May 10, 2019, 02:57:07 am
Thanks, the one that I am building right now will be a Luftwaffe training aircraft in the early 1960s.

One sad thing - 6 years ago (May 5, 2013) a Ha-200 crashed during an air show in Spain, killing the pilot :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgiSLJlQEZo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgiSLJlQEZo)
Title: Re: NöNö Bärs What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 10, 2019, 09:15:51 am
Turned out great!! I like it. You've inspired me to buy one of these kits.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: nönöbär on May 26, 2019, 02:21:15 am
First layer of some primary paint and a little bit of colour for the wingtip-tanks:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190526100303.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: TheChronicOne on May 26, 2019, 10:19:35 am
Nice!!!    My kit arrived the other day. Until I build it, I'm looking forward to yours.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: nönöbär on June 09, 2019, 03:57:29 am
Most of the patining has been done now:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019060912516.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: nönöbär on June 22, 2019, 01:11:50 am
Painting is done, so decals can be added before weathering it a bit.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019062209222.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 22, 2019, 03:17:35 am
VERY smart, I love those faded Dayglo tip tanks!  :wub: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: zenrat on June 22, 2019, 03:22:58 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Luftwaffe Me/Ha 200 )
Post by: NARSES2 on June 23, 2019, 05:07:03 am
VERY smart, I love those faded Dayglo tip tanks!  :wub: :thumbsup:

Yup, excellent  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed Heeresflieger UH-1)
Post by: nönöbär on July 07, 2019, 10:33:20 am
Nowhat-if, butr something I wanted to build for quite a while - a Heeresflieger UH-1. A few of them are still flying in the Bundeswehr.

When i was a kid, I lived not so far away from a Luftwaffe airbase. Every moring, a UH-1 flew from the airbase to a SAR station (maybe a hospital, I don't know) and in the evening it flew back. So I saw those helicopters quite often - and it you did not see them, you could hear their characteristic sound.

So I wanted to build one of those - this is a 1/72 scale Revell kit build OOB:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190706091911.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190706091912.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190706091914.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed Heeresflieger UH-1)
Post by: PR19_Kit on July 07, 2019, 10:44:20 am

So I wanted to build one of those - this is a 1/2 scale Revell kit build OOB:


HALF scale?  :o

That must fill up your whole house!
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed Heeresflieger UH-1)
Post by: nighthunter on July 07, 2019, 11:14:40 am
I'm guessing he meant 1/72
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed Heeresflieger UH-1)
Post by: nönöbär on July 07, 2019, 11:34:58 am

So I wanted to build one of those - this is a 1/2 scale Revell kit build OOB:


HALF scale?  :o

That must fill up your whole house!

Oh, yes, I can tell you its really some hard work to move it form one side of the house to the other... MY GF always dislikes that.


And i corrected the scale - 1/72.... :)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Captured F4F Wildcat)
Post by: nönöbär on July 14, 2019, 08:28:25 am
A small project now, a HobbyBoss F4F wildcat. I like those very simple kits despite the very few parts, the built models look not too bad.

This is what will be build:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190630101310.jpg)

This is in the box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190630101311.jpg)

And the progrss so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190713113001.jpg)

Plan is to build it as a captured and reused aircraft.


Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Captured F4F Wildcat)
Post by: TheChronicOne on July 14, 2019, 09:14:49 am
Oh nice!!!  Looking good so far.

I bought some of those kits not long ago, I can't wait to try one.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Captured F4F Wildcat)
Post by: nönöbär on July 28, 2019, 05:34:33 am
Oh nice!!!  Looking good so far.

I bought some of those kits not long ago, I can't wait to try one.

I like how they put those kits in their boxes. Also bought s few of them a while ago, as they were really cheap.

The first colour is no on the Wildcat, ready to add the second:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019072814421.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Captured F4F Wildcat)
Post by: zenrat on July 29, 2019, 05:54:18 am
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190630101311.jpg)
From an environmental PoV there is far too much packaging in there.
However, I have to agree that the ones I have built have gone together well, are cheap and look good.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Captured F4F Wildcat)
Post by: nönöbär on August 04, 2019, 04:48:09 am
@zenrat: Yes, this kind of boxes have too much packaging material in it. The only advantage is that all parts are nicely stored in it.

Although I will keep the genral idea of my F4F, thanks to @Sport21ing I got a slightly different inspiration for it.

So, after adding some more color, it looks like this:
    
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190804132408.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Captured F4F Wildcat)
Post by: nönöbär on August 11, 2019, 02:51:14 am
Wheels are added, waiting for its decals and the little remaining things....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190811104106.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP Captured F4F Wildcat)
Post by: TheChronicOne on August 11, 2019, 06:51:49 am
Looks good to me!  I like these colors.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on September 22, 2019, 02:15:26 am
Vacation time is over and my engineer returned completly relaxed and inspired to do some new stuff.

This time he will go for an airliner again. To start with, he takes this one here:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190811104213.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20190811104414.jpg)

He had his plans before the vacation already, but sitting on the pool deck of the cruise ship in the sun, with some nice cocktails he got some better ideas. So he modifed the wings more thna he originally wanted to:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019092210298.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019092210299.jpg)

Lets see what the result will be
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: chrisonord on September 22, 2019, 03:08:52 am
What are those wings from please Nonobar?
Chris.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on September 22, 2019, 03:37:11 am
What are those wings from please Nonobar?
Chris.

They are taken form a 1:144 sclae Mistercraft Caravelle.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 22, 2019, 03:39:06 am
Oh, I like that!  :wub:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: chrisonord on September 22, 2019, 05:02:05 am
What are those wings from please Nonobar?
Chris.

They are taken form a 1:144 sclae Mistercraft Caravelle.
Cheers,  they look  suitable for a  PR canuck  I  want to  build.  I will look out for one,  and look at their  dimensions  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: PR19_Kit on September 22, 2019, 06:17:46 am
Caravelle wings on a Connie, A NEAT idea!

Model shops are having a run on Caravelle kits lately!  ;D
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 23, 2019, 01:18:55 am
I am already curious about the propulsion of this hybrid!  ;D
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: NARSES2 on September 23, 2019, 07:06:24 am
I'm seeing a 1/72 scalorama'd Supermarine Attacker replacement  ;)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: McColm on September 23, 2019, 12:22:43 pm
Brilliant Idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: TheChronicOne on September 23, 2019, 03:22:55 pm
Sweeeeeeeeeeet.  :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on September 29, 2019, 03:35:22 am
While I am doing a few tests for engine alternatives for the L2049 (nothing a stage that Ican show so far), I also worked on the fuselage/wing connection.

A lot of putty and some 3d printed parts, still wip....

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019092912181.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019092912182.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Tophe on September 29, 2019, 04:17:57 am
This is hard work, have courage, the final result deserves it probably ;)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on October 06, 2019, 01:56:01 am
The sanding continues....
Those 3D printed parts printed in PLA are really a pain to sand, takes quite long until you see na effect. But i think the end of putty&sanding is near here.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019100609425.jpg)

Now printed some engines for the L2049. No, I will not use all six of them (well, who knows, maybe...), but printing with an SLA printer has the nice effect that printing time is only depending on the height of an object. So printing 2, 4, ,6 or eight besides each other takes the same time, just more material. Therefore I always print more than I need, just to have some spare parts if one did not print good at all.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019100609424.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 06, 2019, 09:26:49 am
The sanding continues....
Those 3D printed parts printed in PLA are really a pain to sand, takes quite long until you see na effect. But i think the end of putty&sanding is near here.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019100609425.jpg)

Now printed some engines for the L2049. No, I will not use all six of them (well, who knows, maybe...), but printing with an SLA printer has the nice effect that printing time is only depending on the height of an object. So printing 2, 4, ,6 or eight besides each other takes the same time, just more material. Therefore I always print more than I need, just to have some spare parts if one did not print good at all.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019100609424.jpg)

That looks great! Evokes all sorts of creative thinking.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 07, 2019, 12:57:26 am
This is looking promising, but the single Connie fin looks a bit lost?  :o
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on October 13, 2019, 01:21:52 am
The jet engines are now added to the wings. 4 of them are enough :)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191013095902.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191013095903.jpg)

But because of then, I cannot use the original landing gear of the Caravelle, it is too short (the one of the L1049 does not fit under the wings at all). So I have to make a new one.

First tests are printed and I will continue in this direction.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191013100004.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Tophe on October 13, 2019, 03:02:02 am
Nice silhouette, unusual :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on October 20, 2019, 03:15:50 am
I think you'll need a little bit more rudder.

As salt6 pointed out, the rudder was too small. So I am working on a bigger one. Which basically a scaled up version of the original one. A first testprint was made, now i can make the "real" one:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191020121602.jpg)

Besides this, the new landing gear is now made. The front one is the original of the L1049, the main gear is printed, the wheels are taken from the Caravelle kit:


(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191020121603.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: zenrat on October 20, 2019, 03:55:33 am
How strong and stable are 3d printed parts compared to injection moulded styrene or resin?
Resin will bend over time if there is weight on it (don't ask me how I know that) while injection moulded styrene is more stable.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Tophe on October 20, 2019, 03:58:52 am
the rudder was too small. So I am working on a bigger one. Which basically a scaled up version of the original one. A first testprint was made, now i can make the "real" one:
This is even better with the new fin. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on October 20, 2019, 04:24:59 am
How strong and stable are 3d printed parts compared to injection moulded styrene or resin?
Resin will bend over time if there is weight on it (don't ask me how I know that) while injection moulded styrene is more stable.

A good question, I don't know. I guess FDM prints (PLA) and SLA prints (Resin) are quite different.

PLA is sensitive to temperature. at about 60°, its getting weak. I had one mount for a thermometer outside which got a lot of direct sun this summer. Its now completly bended. I have some other prints outside to see how they will react to sunlight, rain, snow etc over alonger time.

For the resin, I have no experience so far. The landing gear is made with the SLA printer, so I have to see if this will be a problem after some time.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: NARSES2 on October 20, 2019, 06:56:04 am
How strong and stable are 3d printed parts compared to injection moulded styrene or resin?
Resin will bend over time if there is weight on it (don't ask me how I know that) while injection moulded styrene is more stable.

Interesting that, maybe it's why a few of the top end resin boys now mould their undercarriage parts in a different type/colour resin from the rest of the kit ?  I knew it was for added strength, but was not aware of the time issue.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: zenrat on October 21, 2019, 04:30:54 am
ThePartsBox.com cast their resin hot rod front axles with a wire through the middle for strength.  They didn't used to and they would sag over time.
I had a 1/25 '29 Ford roadster which ended up with very cambered front wheels.
However, putting a block under the axle allowed them to drop back down again.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: McColm on October 21, 2019, 05:09:41 am
Looking good,  I have tried adding turbofaned engines taken from two Matchbox A-10 to a Heller 1/72 Connie. It works so I will try it again in the future.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: TheChronicOne on October 21, 2019, 10:05:35 am
Looking really nice with the larger fin. I glad you kept the original shape... the curviness of the whole affair is a large part of the appeal.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 21, 2019, 10:22:15 am
Looking really nice with the larger fin. I glad you kept the original shape... the curviness of the whole affair is a large part of the appeal.

Second that.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on October 21, 2019, 10:51:48 am
The fin was taken form a 3D model of a Constallation. I removed the rest of the plane, scaled it in the size I wanted and printed it. Have to see if I can really use it or make a new print with the Resin printer.

And i will have to see what happens to the printed landing gear after a while. As I do not have this printer fro so long, there is no long-time experience for me with the prints.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on October 27, 2019, 04:01:17 am
Unfourtunally I lost the cockpit windscreen somehow...  :banghead:

So I will close it, sand it and use some decals for it. Would fit better to the passenger windows as those are decals, too.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191027124603.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: Old Wombat on October 27, 2019, 06:41:34 am
And, once completed, you'll find the cockpit window. ;D ;)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on November 03, 2019, 01:45:16 am
And, once completed, you'll find the cockpit window. ;D ;)

Of course - I will find tow of them.... :)

To check if the putty&sanding went well, I did a complete paint over the complete model. Loosk as if a few spots are left which need a bit more work:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191103111003.jpg)

But i hope I can go to the real paint job soon.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 03, 2019, 10:31:56 am
Tremendous!! This is going to be one the best ever! Ever! 

Stick a mast coming out of the back to make the tail look a little more "complete" perhaps? Can contain a parachute and you get to add a novel thing to the backstory!  :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 03, 2019, 12:12:23 pm
Looks very sinister in black, but that curvy Connie fuselage looks terrific nonetheless.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on November 10, 2019, 02:04:38 am
Looks very sinister in black, but that curvy Connie fuselage looks terrific nonetheless.  :thumbsup:

The black was just some unique paint to see where more sanding was required.

So the first "real" colour is coming up now.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191110105621.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 10, 2019, 08:54:43 am
Right on!!!  :mellow: :mellow: :mellow:  Glad to see progress on this one.. ... can't wait to see it. Mine go so slow I have to live through y'alls buillds.  ;D
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: strobez on November 11, 2019, 03:35:58 pm
That seems to be very good work on that sanding job.  I can never seem to achieve a convincing level of smoothness, but that looks spot on.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on November 17, 2019, 02:06:58 am
More painting has been done to give it a classic airline colour shceme - white cabin roof and the rest of it in pure aluminium.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2019111711264.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 17, 2019, 05:20:57 am
That's looking better and better by every posting you make.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 17, 2019, 04:37:23 pm
I love airliner whifs. I will follow this development attentively.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on November 24, 2019, 04:25:05 am
Well, sometimes things go wrong on a project, even in a late phase of it. Like this time  :angry:

When adding the planned decals to the model, they simply desintegrate in the water. No idea why as they did not seem to be too old.

So I have to switch to plan B - its always good if there is a plan B - to choose some other decals. And to adjust the colour scheme a bit first

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191124132802.jpg)

Again, there was some trouble with the decals, they broke into several pieces. But at least the could be attached at all. Still a bit to go here.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swissair Lockheed L2049)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 24, 2019, 06:09:13 am
That looks better and better the more you do to it, rubbish decals notwithstanding.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swissair Lockheed L2049)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 24, 2019, 09:17:34 am
Maaaaaan, what IS IT with the airliners ?!!?  I 've had the same thing happen a few times and it keeps trying to happen to my Saudia plane.  Plan for a scheme just to have the transfers go bad...then have to adjust on the fly. I think you managed it perfectly, though, and this scheme is totally KICK ARSE on here... now it almost sort of looks like a FUTURE-Liner or something!  :wub: :wub: :wub:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swissair Lockheed L2049)
Post by: nönöbär on November 24, 2019, 09:52:13 am
Maaaaaan, what IS IT with the airliners ?!!?  I 've had the same thing happen a few times and it keeps trying to happen to my Saudia plane.  Plan for a scheme just to have the transfers go bad...then have to adjust on the fly. I think you managed it perfectly, though, and this scheme is totally KICK ARSE on here... now it almost sort of looks like a FUTURE-Liner or something!  :wub: :wub: :wub:

I don't know, maybe its the size of the decals. I mean, they are much "longer" than the usual ones we use. But the original ones of this kit were just awful, put htem in the water and they were gone. I only had that with very old ones before, but there they looked old before using. Those one here looked perfectly ok.

Anyway, the replacements worked in the end even if they broke into several pieces, too.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swissair Lockheed L2049)
Post by: TheChronicOne on November 24, 2019, 10:08:47 am
Maaaaaan, what IS IT with the airliners ?!!?  I 've had the same thing happen a few times and it keeps trying to happen to my Saudia plane.  Plan for a scheme just to have the transfers go bad...then have to adjust on the fly. I think you managed it perfectly, though, and this scheme is totally KICK ARSE on here... now it almost sort of looks like a FUTURE-Liner or something!  :wub: :wub: :wub:

I don't know, maybe its the size of the decals. I mean, they are much "longer" than the usual ones we use. But the original ones of this kit were just awful, put htem in the water and they were gone. I only had that with very old ones before, but there they looked old before using. Those one here looked perfectly ok.

Anyway, the replacements worked in the end even if they broke into several pieces, too.

Gotcha... I had just tried to use some printed less than 10 years ago, looked beautiful.... brand spanking new right out of the kit and they went into a billion pieces!  :o   Just like you, I wasn't expecting it. Had I known, I would have tried liquid decal fix but who could fathom a pristine brand new sheet going wrong?
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Swissair Lockheed L2049)
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 24, 2019, 11:27:04 am
With any decals sheets of which I don't know the history, I tend to spray on a coat of acrylic varnish or two, just in case. that pretty well works every time, but of course you then have the hassle of trimming each part closely.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on February 01, 2020, 06:28:46 am
After a short break due to the holidays and a business trip to Asia, its now time to start something new. This time a paint-job for a F14 Tomcat.

This is the box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191201110506.jpg)

This is in there:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20191201110607.jpg)

And this is how far I got so far:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200201155602.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 03, 2020, 01:54:59 am
I remember an F-14 in Marineflieger colors (the late wraparound Tornado scheme) from a convention a couple of years ago, looked very good!
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 05, 2020, 05:55:47 pm
Glorious!!
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 07, 2020, 06:18:54 am
This will be good. One the most beautiful fighters of all time. So big, so powerful !
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on February 09, 2020, 06:21:31 am
I always liked the F14, a quite impressive bird. Did not had so much time recently, but at least a bit more painting on the lower part of the hull is completed:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020020916141.jpg)

Work on the cockpit also continued:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020020916152.jpg)

Next would be the upper part of the aircraft.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 09, 2020, 07:53:41 pm
Cool, man. I love the F-14....  I'm happy to see one being built up.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on February 16, 2020, 06:11:30 am
Work progress is quite good, the upper parts are now back from the airbrush cabin:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020021616041.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020021616042.jpg)

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020021616043.jpg)

Upper and lower parts still have to be glues together. And then "only" all the smaller parts are missing :)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: TheChronicOne on February 20, 2020, 07:12:08 pm
Looking good!
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: Captain Canada on February 20, 2020, 07:50:12 pm
Looks so right already ! Great stuff.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: PantherG on February 25, 2020, 07:38:10 am
Four years ago I drew two "Seekatzen"..... maybe they will be useful for You....  ;)

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=29685.1530
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on March 14, 2020, 11:39:56 am
Four years ago I drew two "Seekatzen"..... maybe they will be useful for You....  ;)

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=29685.1530

Thanks, yes, this is quite similar to what i have in mind for it. Sorry for my late reply, I was on vacation (glad that I am back before the Corona madness broke out completely) and when being back, there was no Internet at home anymore ... :banghead:

Have to return to model building now.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on March 22, 2020, 04:43:07 am
Most of the Seekatze is now put together, Wheels and armament is still missing

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200322112310.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200322112311.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 22, 2020, 06:41:46 am
Pretty! A Royal Navy version would still be possible, too!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on March 29, 2020, 07:32:13 am
Somehow you would think that now that you should not leave your house and keep social distance, you find more time for model building. But strangely there was much more work to do than normal - and no, I am not selling toilet paper or produce it....

But at least, the Seekatze is now standing on its own wheels, I am currently thinking about which weapons to add to it.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020032914561.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: zenrat on March 30, 2020, 04:19:17 am
...I am currently thinking about which weapons to add to it....

How about a pair of Vickers guns on the nose with a Lewis on a scarfe ring for the back seater?   ;)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 30, 2020, 05:35:29 am
...I am currently thinking about which weapons to add to it....

How about a pair of Vickers guns on the nose with a Lewis on a scarfe ring for the back seater?   ;)


It's NAVY, so it'd need a triple 15" gun turret at least!
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on March 30, 2020, 08:07:45 am
Well, I was thinking of adding some toilet paper bombs, but they are too hard to get those days....
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: Old Wombat on March 31, 2020, 02:43:15 am
 ;D
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: NARSES2 on March 31, 2020, 05:52:24 am
Well, I was thinking of adding some toilet paper bombs, but they are too hard to get those days....

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on April 05, 2020, 03:58:10 am
As i could not find any toilet paper to make toilet paper bombs, I have to stick with more "conventional" weapons.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020040512311.jpg)

More to come.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: nönöbär on April 12, 2020, 03:22:55 am
The armament is now ready to go, but first decals must be added.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020041212302.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Marineflieger F14 Seekatze)
Post by: TheChronicOne on April 13, 2020, 09:56:44 pm
Nice!! Love to see the 54's on scene.  :wacko:   
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: nönöbär on April 19, 2020, 03:30:17 am
While the Seekatze is getting its final updates, here is something else that left the Flugwerft.

Not really a WhatIf, but stil la quite unknown fighter aircraft of WW2, the Swedish FFVS J22A. First flown in in 1942, it was used by the Swedish Air Force until the early 1950s.

I saw one of those in the Swedish Air Force museum in Linköping, where my GF bought me this little kit. by Marivox. Never heart of this one, but it was quite good to build.

The model shows a J22B in March 1944.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200419115806.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200419115807.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200419115909.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200419115910.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200419115911.jpg)
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200419115908.jpg)


Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: zenrat on April 19, 2020, 03:59:34 am
Nice job.

 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: NARSES2 on April 19, 2020, 06:41:22 am
Nice job.

 :thumbsup:

It is indeed
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 19, 2020, 06:43:41 am
I've seen the J22A in in SwAF Museum too, and you've done it great justice with the model.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 19, 2020, 10:46:07 am
That's looking very good. :thumbsup: I have that kit also somewhere in the stash, but lacked a whiffy idea for it so far.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: loupgarou on April 19, 2020, 10:51:44 am
Very good build of a rare bird.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: Captain Canada on April 19, 2020, 10:52:52 am
Very nice. I don't think I've ever heard of it either
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: nönöbär on April 20, 2020, 11:03:07 pm
Very nice. I don't think I've ever heard of it either

I first saw it in the museum in Linköping, didn't know it before as well. Which btw, is a quite intersting museum, the have a Ju 86 (I love this plane) and the Saab 18, wish there would be a model of this one as well.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 21, 2020, 01:54:49 am
IIRC, KORA does an 1:72 Saab 18, but I assume that its price is ridiculous, if you find one.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: nönöbär on April 21, 2020, 04:54:53 am
IIRC, KORA does an 1:72 Saab 18, but I assume that its price is ridiculous, if you find one.

I know, but its hard to get and the price..... As an alternative, I already looked for a 3D model that could be printed, but had no luck so far.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 21, 2020, 05:00:37 am

 Which btw, is a quite intersting museum, the have a Ju 86 (I love this plane)


Isn't it just! I was amazed walking in there to see the Ju  86 hanging up in the corner of the hall! I didn't think any of them still existed. :o

And the Vertol 107 which you can walk right through while it's 'floating' on simulated water, a superb idea.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (Completed: FFVS J22A)
Post by: nönöbär on April 21, 2020, 05:47:29 am

Isn't it just! I was amazed walking in there to see the Ju  86 hanging up in the corner of the hall! I didn't think any of them still existed. :o

And the Vertol 107 which you can walk right through while it's 'floating' on simulated water, a superb idea.  :thumbsup:

I knew that they had a Ju86 there, and this was one of the reasons why I wanted to go there. The exhibition with the wreck of the shot down DC3 was very good, I had not read about that inicdent before. And of coruse all the Saab fighters there. Defintily a place to visit, even my GF liked it.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on May 10, 2020, 04:59:24 am
The new project will be build from what is left over in the spare part box.

It will be a Me262/2M. As the jet engines of the Me262 were not very reliable and even more not available in required numbers, there was the idea (it actually was) to use the Me262 air-frame with two piston engines instead of the jets. So lets see how this could have looked like.

This is what I found of a Me262 in the spare part box:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020042611455.jpg)

Putting a few parts together:
(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020051011392.jpg)

The engines will be 3D printed and somehow connected to wings....


Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 10, 2020, 05:54:34 am
This will be interesting.

Wasn't there a turboprop proposal as well ? Or am I thinking of something else ?
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: PR19_Kit on May 10, 2020, 05:58:37 am
The prototype had one piston engine in the nose, and no jets at all, if that's what you're thinking of?
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 10, 2020, 06:34:02 am
The prototype had one piston engine in the nose, and no jets at all, if that's what you're thinking of?

I knew about that, but I could swear I've seen a turbo-prop proposal. May have got my whiffery and fact mixed up ?
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on May 10, 2020, 06:49:44 am
The prototype had one piston engine in the nose, and no jets at all, if that's what you're thinking of?

Yes, the first prototype had a piston engine in the nose. i made a quite similar one as well: http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39241.msg648264.html#msg648264 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,39241.msg648264.html#msg648264)
But recently I read an article about the Me262 where it was stated that for a short time it was suggested to fit two prop engines instead of the jets to the plane as no jet engines were available. This idea was only followed for a short time, but I thought this might be something to try out.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on May 17, 2020, 01:54:23 am
Engines for the Me262/2M are printed and added to the wings. They are taken from a Me110 3D model and now need some putty&sanding:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200517095402.jpg)

Still don't know if I should use a prototype color scheme or a combat one.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: Rheged on May 17, 2020, 02:04:00 am
 At first glance, this has a slight tinge of DH Comet in appearance.     Paint it red , give it the name of a German mansion and watch the JMNs all perform a mass formation BOGGLE!
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 17, 2020, 06:15:28 am
This will be interesting.

Wasn't there a turboprop proposal as well ? Or am I thinking of something else ?

Yes I've seen a pic or two of that, has ducted spinners and six bladed props, not sure if it was an actual proposal or the work of someone's imagination though, but I like the look of it. I think there is a conversion kit available for it also...

Glad it wasn't just me
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: dumaniac on May 18, 2020, 01:13:23 am
The turbo prop version indeed was scheduled to have 6-bladed props with ducted spinners. From memory, they had of turbo-prop on the bench test but the war ended before the version was completed. The engines sat above the wing to help with ground clearance - just like the modern day Saab computer aircraft. Very pretty - lateral field of view was sub-optimal but she would have been fast.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 18, 2020, 06:07:37 am
Cheers gents, glad I hadn't simply imagined it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: Tophe on May 18, 2020, 06:17:18 am
Engines for the Me262/2M are printed and added to the wings.
Pleasant silhouette! :wub:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on May 24, 2020, 03:20:01 am
It was a week of intensive putty&sanding, but now the engines are almost done:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200524120202.jpg)

They look quite massive on this plane, but they are identical to the ones of a Me110.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: Tophe on May 24, 2020, 03:27:31 am
I know PSR is not fun, so I clap my hands to support... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: zenrat on May 24, 2020, 04:44:27 am
Looking great mate.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on May 31, 2020, 03:36:50 am
Another week of putty&sanding, but it's almost done.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020053110461.jpg)

Currently, I am preparing the main landing gear:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/me262_wheels.jpg)

First try did not print well, but the second attempt looks better:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/IMG_20200531_115644312.jpg)

Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: NARSES2 on May 31, 2020, 05:58:19 am
They do look good.

Trimming and cleaning them up is going to require good eyesight and a steady hand though.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on June 07, 2020, 02:14:09 am
Slowly, all parts come together.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200607105002.jpg)

The propellers are also taken form the Me110 3D model, engine exhausts are newly designed and printed.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: Tophe on June 07, 2020, 02:26:55 am
This is a good continuation! :thumbsup:
We are quietly waiting for the finished result... &lt;_&lt;
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on June 14, 2020, 01:48:39 am
Exhausts have been added to the engines. All required parts are now printed and must be put together.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200614103802.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: Tophe on June 14, 2020, 01:54:08 am
 :thumbsup: &lt;_&lt; ;D
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: nönöbär on June 21, 2020, 12:27:28 am
For those who followed my engineer on twitter - I had to redo the propellers because the first version was too big. Cutting off the heads of all ants on the ground. So this was too dangerous and i had to make some new ones with a smaller diameter.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020062108582.jpg)

Now we can go and find some decals for it (some have to be custom made).

Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: Tophe on June 21, 2020, 12:44:30 am
The silhouette is very nice, now fully different from a normal jet 262. :wub:
(For blades diameter, I would not have been shocked: propellers of a what-if desk model are not actually rotating, this is not a machine but an object!) ;)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: chrisonord on June 21, 2020, 05:25:33 am
Really cool project.  :thumbsup:
Chris
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Luftwaffe M262/2M)
Post by: DogfighterZen on June 22, 2020, 08:58:58 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: nönöbär on July 26, 2020, 06:00:12 am
Starting a new WhatIf plane, although I still do not know which one it will be and how it will be painted.

Either an Arado or Focke-Wulf jet bomber project. What I know is that i will use this kit as its base model:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200628101722.jpg)

A pretty simple one with only a few parts. I have some ideas what to change, but have to see if this works.
As I do not know jet how to paint it - some fictional Luft46 scheme - I now printed a 3D model of this plane to test some different camos on it.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020072611414.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: NARSES2 on July 26, 2020, 06:25:32 am
I've always liked the Vautour, and have a couple of SH kits which I will build one day  ;), but it does look very Luft46 in some ways and reminds me of a drawing I've seen of, I think a Focke Wulf project.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: nönöbär on August 02, 2020, 04:42:12 am
The main work so far was the camo test model which is done now. But i did not use the airbrush on it. Will do that on the "real" model.

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel2020080213203.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: nönöbär on September 06, 2020, 06:04:06 am
Returning form vacation, work continues on the Focke Wulf jet bomber.

You see the age of the kit I use - fit quality is quite bad, so a lot of putty is used. Wings are only put together right now, they will be glues together after painting. The model is now ready to get its first colors:

(http://www.german-navy.de/web/ScaleModels/ScaleModel20200906102704.jpg)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: Tophe on September 06, 2020, 07:16:18 am
Good! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: dumaniac on September 07, 2020, 01:10:30 am
Good luck
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: dumaniac on September 07, 2020, 01:19:47 am
Regarding the 262 with props, the Germans did have a turboprop jet on the books. Only one engine was ready by war's end. However if you were to mount the main engine above the wing (same as the turbo props in eastern Australia that service regional areas), there is plenty of clearance. Despite all that, your model does look beautiful and has great lines. I look forward to the camo job. Good luck.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: Dizzyfugu on September 07, 2020, 02:10:17 am
That's looking good. I also have one of the 1:100 Vautours in the stash, it's intimidating... But I had a similar idea for it: an 1:72 German WWII singe-seat fighter.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: nönöbär on September 07, 2020, 11:06:49 am
Regarding the 262 with props, the Germans did have a turboprop jet on the books. Only one engine was ready by war's end. However if you were to mount the main engine above the wing (same as the turbo props in eastern Australia that service regional areas), there is plenty of clearance. Despite all that, your model does look beautiful and has great lines. I look forward to the camo job. Good luck.

I had completed it a while ago, but as this one is a prototype, it has no real camo on it. However, here it is: https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=48069.0 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=48069.0)
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: nönöbär on September 07, 2020, 11:08:40 am
That's looking good. I also have one of the 1:100 Vautours in the stash, it's intimidating... But I had a similar idea for it: an 1:72 German WWII singe-seat fighter.  :thumbsup:

As I like some bombs at it, i guess mine will more a fighter bomber or ground attack aircraft.

This kit is so old, it has some markings on wings and hull where the original decals should be placed, like on some of the 1950s Revell kits. I assume this kit is also from the 1950s or early 60s.
Title: Re: NöNöBärs's What-If Flugwerft (WIP: Arado or Focke Wulf jet bomber)
Post by: NARSES2 on September 08, 2020, 07:14:43 am
Have a good vacation ?

I like the idea of it being a ground attack aircraft