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Title: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Nils on February 27, 2012, 10:32:23 am
was surprised to see there wasnt a topic like this yet.

last weekend, i finally got arround to get the march Issue of Air Forces Monthly, and found quite a nice surprise on the last page.
if anyone here hasnt read it, there's an awesome artwork and Alt. history story involving the Fleet Air Arm F/A-18E's, E-2F Hawkeye and Merlin HC4  :wub:

i'll see to get a scan of the artwork, it actually inspired me to get back to work on my HMS Couragious carrier  :mellow:
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Post by: Caveman on February 27, 2012, 12:26:12 pm
not so much alt history as 2020?
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Post by: PR19_Kit on February 27, 2012, 12:30:09 pm
Alternate future?
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Post by: Nils on February 27, 2012, 12:47:20 pm
ok, you asked for it,
send the artist a formal invite, and tell him we will have a whiffie award waiting for him in 2013  ;D

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/AFM032012-whif.jpg)
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Post by: scooter on February 27, 2012, 05:45:59 pm
I think he's been lurking on the boards here.  :wacko:
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Post by: AeroplaneDriver on February 27, 2012, 07:04:39 pm
The F-18E/F makes an incredible amount of sense for the UK right now...it allows the Govt to defer the F-35C buy...perhaps an order of 50 initially to get the RAF started on a Tornado replacement, but without the budget issues of the current planned buy of 138ish...  But at the same time those savings could be put into an order for say 50-60 F-18E/F for the FAA...this allows time to workup an OCU and a couple of squadrons so HMS PoW will actually have an Air Wing come 2019-20. 

Then when economic times are better and the budget allows for it, a follow on order of (more mature) F-35Cs can begin to replace the Super Hornets, BUT at the same time allows the RN to maintain an EW component in the shape of EA-18Gs AND a tanker capability from Hornets with buddy pods....As of now there is no plan to enable buddy tanking for the F-35C which means either the RN go without or pay for the capability entirely.  It would be a shame to lose such an expensive piece of equipment because of a failed hook during blue-water ops...

Anyhoo...dont want this to get political, it's just that the Super Hornet makes sense in sooooo many ways for Britain.  Plus that's a lovely picture...   :thumbsup:
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Post by: PR19_Kit on February 27, 2012, 10:24:55 pm
....As of now there is no plan to enable buddy tanking for the F-35C which means either the RN go without or pay for the capability entirely.  It would be a shame to lose such an expensive piece of equipment because of a failed hook during blue-water ops...

That'll teach the MoD to have got rid of the Buccs....................  :banghead:
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Post by: AeroplaneDriver on February 27, 2012, 10:35:15 pm
Though I will add that a bit of research and the artist could have done away with the steam on deck...No steam cats for the QE Class Mr. O'Brien...
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Post by: Thorvic on February 28, 2012, 12:23:15 am
The F-18E/F makes an incredible amount of sense for the UK right now...it allows the Govt to defer the F-35C buy...perhaps an order of 50 initially to get the RAF started on a Tornado replacement, but without the budget issues of the current planned buy of 138ish...  But at the same time those savings could be put into an order for say 50-60 F-18E/F for the FAA...this allows time to workup an OCU and a couple of squadrons so HMS PoW will actually have an Air Wing come 2019-20. 

Then when economic times are better and the budget allows for it, a follow on order of (more mature) F-35Cs can begin to replace the Super Hornets, BUT at the same time allows the RN to maintain an EW component in the shape of EA-18Gs AND a tanker capability from Hornets with buddy pods....As of now there is no plan to enable buddy tanking for the F-35C which means either the RN go without or pay for the capability entirely.  It would be a shame to lose such an expensive piece of equipment because of a failed hook during blue-water ops...

Anyhoo...dont want this to get political, it's just that the Super Hornet makes sense in sooooo many ways for Britain.  Plus that's a lovely picture...   :thumbsup:

That it does, not something we would expect from Air Forces Monthly as thats more the realm of Warship International to push What-if Artwork of the 2020 Fleet Air Arm.

I too can see the Super Hornet acting as a stopgap aircraft for the FAA until there are sufficient F-35C to form a viable squadron, some of the first batch to be ordered next year will used by the OCU/OEU, some will go to the RAF and some to the FAA, and of those some are likley to remain in the US for development or to help bring the the F-35C into service as the USN are going to be low on numbers too untill the next decade. Alot is going to depand on how the F-35 flight testing and costs fair in the next year or so as the knock on effect of the US order defferal is accounted for, coupled with how the carrier cooperation deals with the US & France evolves. There is the need to bring on-line a dedicated UK carrier squadron to get them trained as a unit possibly with a tour on an allied carrier before they then work up on the CVF when its ready for Carrier trials in 2020. As for the tanking the UK has asked for a study into the F35C acting in the buddy refuelling mode.
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Post by: MilitaryAircraft101 on February 28, 2012, 02:01:27 am
On the topic, I think that Boeing should ditch on the F-15SE idea and just sell up the Supers as stop gaps to the F-35, not replacements, because they are substantially different, but they would make bucketloads on F/A-18E/F sales to F-35 customers. The Aussie defence budget comparatively isn't particularly high, yet we opted (quite smartly IMHO) to buy 24 Supers to stand in for 15-20yrs.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on February 28, 2012, 03:19:21 am

That'll teach the MoD to have got rid of the Buccs....................  :banghead:

Politicos do what they want, not what's best for the service ::cough::Raptor debacle::cough::

Or the DoD not buying the dedicated tanker variant of the Viking.  Or the COD...or an E-2 replacement... :banghead:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: rickshaw on February 28, 2012, 04:04:17 am
Though I will add that a bit of research and the artist could have done away with the steam on deck...No steam cats for the QE Class Mr. O'Brien...

I suspect they will still need a steam outlet on the bow though, to indicate wind direction over the deck.  Anyway, its more atmospheric...
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Caveman on February 28, 2012, 04:54:42 am
I have never understood the requirement to have a steam outlet for wind direction. Who is it indicating for? If for the pilots, why do they need to know? If for the bridge they have instrumentation which gives them wind speed and direction... Having never operated on an aircraft carrier with steam I simply cant see the reason for them.
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Post by: AeroplaneDriver on February 28, 2012, 05:18:30 am
It seems to me that if the wind direction is not pretty much forward-to-aft along the deck then you must be doing it wrong...but also, having never operated a carrier...   :-\
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Post by: kitnut617 on February 28, 2012, 06:36:36 am
I have never understood the requirement to have a steam outlet for wind direction. Who is it indicating for? If for the pilots, why do they need to know? If for the bridge they have instrumentation which gives them wind speed and direction... Having never operated on an aircraft carrier with steam I simply cant see the reason for them.


It's a visual back-up say should the bridge get taken out (there's another point on the ship to do the steering so I've heard) or the electrcis go down.  Same reason the Harrier has a wind vane mounted just forward of the windshield I suppose.
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Post by: PR19_Kit on February 28, 2012, 07:37:38 am
Drifting off topic (as usual.....) the Harrier's visual cross-wind vane is there as it's VERY important that the pilot be pointing directly into the apparent wind when in vertical and transition modes. Otherwise the aircraft could get into serious roll instability issues. It's all explained very well in John Farley's book 'A View from the Hover'.

Going back to the topic, in the 30s they had the steam vents right at the fore end of the flight deck because they didn't have the wind direction instrumentation back then and it was a foolproof system for the deck crew, air crew and bridge staff to see if the ship was going the right way. I recall that when they fitted steam catapults to the Ark Royal IV they did away with the steam jet as the cats leaked like sieves anyway!
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Post by: NARSES2 on February 28, 2012, 07:53:54 am
It's a visual back-up say should the bridge get taken out (there's another point on the ship to do the steering so I've heard) or the electrcis go down. 

Yup military vessels at least had an alternative steering position and then there was always the abilty to jury rig some form of steering, even if it took half a dozen crewmen on the wheel and a chain of men reporting the course to steer as the steersmen couldn't see a thing from most of these alternative positions.

Don't know what they do nowadays - I mean they don't even have a proper wheel - but there must be a backup that rrelys on muscle rather then computers ?
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Post by: Caveman on February 28, 2012, 08:44:18 am
There are still backup positions for ships to be steered from, known as tiller flats...

Ill take your guys word for it that it is there as a backup.
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Post by: kitnut617 on February 28, 2012, 11:52:10 am
The fellow who helped me with a lot of the Avro Atlantic info I used, told me that in Nevil Shute novel 'In The Wet', there is a description of a fictitious de Havilland Ceres which matches the Atlantic to a tee
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Post by: PR19_Kit on February 28, 2012, 03:10:15 pm
Hm, I have a well worn copy of 'In the Wet' at home, I must check that out.

There's a lot of very interesting aircraft in that book, all are whiffs except a DC3 or two, but I can't remember the dH Ceres.
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Post by: tigercat on March 10, 2012, 01:03:47 am
I couldn't find  a picture o/l but while I was flicking through Model Boats magazine and came across a report  on Scale Modelworld  2011 of an East African Schnellboot equipped with paddles.


(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff202/skidsinlimbo/EastAfricanSchnellboot.jpg)

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Post by: NARSES2 on March 10, 2012, 02:02:30 am
Isn't that Eddie Kruks ?
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Post by: tigercat on March 10, 2012, 04:33:11 am
They also  featured a schnellboot with an amphibious Me 163 mounted on it
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Post by: Caveman on March 10, 2012, 11:53:47 am
pics of the amphib 163?
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Post by: tigercat on March 10, 2012, 03:22:24 pm
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,25829.0/highlight,163+s+boot.html

I found some better pics of it on here
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Post by: Stargazer2006 on March 13, 2012, 02:39:44 am
From the January 1973 issue of FLYING, a 5-engined Cessna 172!!!

http://books.google.fr/books?id=NWzlTqj0gQ4C&pg=PA106#v=onepage&q&f=false (http://books.google.fr/books?id=NWzlTqj0gQ4C&pg=PA106#v=onepage&q&f=false)

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Post by: scooter on March 15, 2012, 08:30:16 am
From the January 1973 issue of FLYING, a 5-engined Cessna 172!!!

http://books.google.fr/books?id=NWzlTqj0gQ4C&pg=PA106#v=onepage&q&f=false (http://books.google.fr/books?id=NWzlTqj0gQ4C&pg=PA106#v=onepage&q&f=false)



I always would look forward to Bax's monthly wit and wisdom in Flying when my father had the subscription.  He always made me want to get my license.
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Post by: CANSO on April 10, 2012, 08:29:37 am
This is a beautiful add I found in our office. The brand is Kohler - a renowned faucets manufacturer. The theme is a la "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow ":
(http://i370.photobucket.com/albums/oo141/canso-forum/POSTER-KOhler.jpg~original)
I like the pilot... ;D
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Post by: Stargazer2006 on April 10, 2012, 09:13:55 am
I sure would love me some flying lessons with that instructor...  ;D

But hey? Did she realize that if she uses that side machine gun she also loses her right arm?!?  :o  :rolleyes:
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Post by: PR19_Kit on April 10, 2012, 10:57:59 am
What IS she doing with that tap???
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Post by: pyro-manic on April 10, 2012, 12:47:01 pm
Filling the sink ready to do the washing up, by the looks of it! Not sure it's a wise thing to do mid-dogfight...
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Post by: CANSO on April 10, 2012, 12:58:05 pm
What IS she doing with that tap???
Filling the sink with her left hand she activates the water-gyro-super-balance of the fighter. The nose of the plane goes down (or up) and with her right hand she activates the firing mechanism for the 2 guns. The bullets diverge outwards and do not hit pilots arms. Than she balances the plane opening a valve with her left foot (this we can't see), releasing some water from the sink. And so on...
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Post by: PR19_Kit on April 10, 2012, 02:20:29 pm
Ah right, I KNEW it would be something like that........  ;D

The water helps to adjust the CG of the aircraft as the ammo gets used up I suppose?
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Post by: NARSES2 on April 11, 2012, 01:47:05 am
Typical female, she'll be boasting about being able to multi task any minute now  :rolleyes: ;D Love 'em really  ;D

Great photo  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Tophe on April 17, 2012, 10:37:52 am
I have bought a (French) beautiful cartoon book starting with twin-boomers of Burnelli look, but German WW1 (continued) in 1927 (with swastikas already)...
This is in "Le voyage extraordinaire Tome 1" by Filippi and Camboni
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Le-voyage-extraordinaire-Tome-1/dp/2749306132/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1334684030&sr=1-1
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_VoyageExtra1.jpg)
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Post by: Radish on April 18, 2012, 12:45:52 am
Interesting....is that a giant airbag in the centre to maintain lift??
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Post by: Tophe on April 18, 2012, 02:38:45 am
Interesting....is that a giant airbag in the centre to maintain lift??
it rather seems a glazed lifting fuselage for the crew:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/s_VoyageExtra1.jpg)
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Post by: Merv_P on April 26, 2012, 11:32:17 am
http://www.chrismooreillustration.co.uk/illustration/techno/night-of-the-hawk/ (http://www.chrismooreillustration.co.uk/illustration/techno/night-of-the-hawk/)

If books covers count; here's one from Chris Moore - better-known as an sf/fantasy illustrator but the cover of Dale Brown's "Night of the Hawk" is one of a number of aviation paintings he's done.



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Post by: Nils on July 13, 2012, 01:28:17 pm
Opened up my new issue of Air Forces Monthly this week, with once again a very nice surprise on the last page.
an RAF P-8 Poseidon (or Neptune MRA.1 in RAF service), this one is definatly going on my "things to build"-list.

a few months back, Tim O'Brien also did a what-if art work on a Royal Navy Taranis UCAV, might have to scan that one in later  :mellow:

there's a small pic of the taranis at his website, in the section Journalism, halfway the page (first on on the left)
http://www.timobrienart.co.uk/gallery.php

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/afm0812.jpg)
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Post by: kerick on July 13, 2012, 05:21:29 pm
http://www.chrismooreillustration.co.uk/illustration/techno/night-of-the-hawk/ (http://www.chrismooreillustration.co.uk/illustration/techno/night-of-the-hawk/)

If books covers count; here's one from Chris Moore - better-known as an sf/fantasy illustrator but the cover of Dale Brown's "Night of the Hawk" is one of a number of aviation paintings he's done.




Reminds me of the "Flight of the Old Dog" B-52 minus the new engines.  Still cool.
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Post by: NARSES2 on July 22, 2012, 01:30:11 am
Our own Wookster's Speed Spitefull appears in the August SAMI on the 580 Modellers page
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Post by: NARSES2 on July 25, 2012, 06:26:38 am
July MAM has a couple of interesting articles that whilst not Wifs inselve's have potential.

Nice build of the Valom Boeing XF8B-1 and Vought -V713

Good article in the "American Patrol" column on Convair Special Projects. These include a Mach 5 bomber to be carried and launched by a B-58  :blink:
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Post by: PR19_Kit on July 25, 2012, 07:11:20 am
Good article in the "American Patrol" column on Convair Special Projects. These include a Mach 5 bomber to be carried and launched by a B-58  :blink:

Is that the 'Super Hustler' project Chris? I've just been reading about that in the Aerofax B-58 book, it's mind boggling!
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Post by: NARSES2 on July 26, 2012, 12:36:29 am
Good article in the "American Patrol" column on Convair Special Projects. These include a Mach 5 bomber to be carried and launched by a B-58  :blink:

Is that the 'Super Hustler' project Chris? I've just been reading about that in the Aerofax B-58 book, it's mind boggling!

Yes it is Kit
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Post by: Stargazer2006 on July 26, 2012, 01:57:24 am
Is that the 'Super Hustler' project Chris? I've just been reading about that in the Aerofax B-58 book, it's mind boggling!

If you've never read about the Super Hustler program (and the related Fish/Kingfish) then you absolutely MUST visit Lockheed Martin's Code One website. It's got a four-parter story on the subject, with lots of information and copiously illustrated. You'll be glad you did!

http://www.codeonemagazine.com/
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Post by: NARSES2 on July 26, 2012, 07:12:02 am
Thanks for that Stargazer  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Nils on August 24, 2012, 02:47:28 am
i got this awesome poster from Lockheed with a couple of company newsmagazines, when i was at the Florennes airshow at the beginning of the summer.
its the cancelled P-7A Super Orion that was offered to the US Navy's MMA requirement (witch eventually was won by the Boeing P-8A)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/001-13.jpg)
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Post by: Nils on April 21, 2013, 01:34:10 pm
More whiffie goodness from Tim O'Brien in Air Forces Monthly.
scanned in some older artwork from last years issues aswell  :mellow:

these have been the ispiration for my WW3 build  :thumbsup:

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/Tob-3.jpg) (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Nilssteyaert/media/misc/Tob-3.jpg.html)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/ToB-2.jpg) (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Nilssteyaert/media/misc/ToB-2.jpg.html)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/ToB-1.jpg) (http://s307.photobucket.com/user/Nilssteyaert/media/misc/ToB-1.jpg.html)
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Post by: Tophe on May 06, 2013, 03:44:25 am
In the French cartoon "Le voyage extraordinaire", tome 2, London is attacked in 1927 by pusher bombers...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/2013-05-0611-58-11_0070_zps5e3b6265.jpg)
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Post by: scooter on May 06, 2013, 04:01:55 am
 :o  A Reaper wing fall through some sort of weird time portal into young Hitler's hands?
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Post by: Tophe on January 04, 2014, 03:11:28 am
In the French comics Pif-Gadget, a very old issue of 1972, I have found this weird "Douglas". Is this an A-26 Invader with tandem cockpit?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_0140_zps408d9f05.jpg)
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Post by: Logan Hartke on January 04, 2014, 10:17:49 am
Not quite, but it's close.  The wing on the A-26 was much higher on the fuselage and the fuselage was much boxier, for instance.

I will agree that that's where the inspiration came from, however.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/A-26B_Invader.jpg/1024px-A-26B_Invader.jpg)

The biggest problem with that is the same issue that plagues many scale-o-rama radial-engined aircraft.  Those engines are silly small (or that pilot is HUGE!).  Those are too small to be even R-1535s.  It is just a comic, though, and it's a pretty aircraft.

Cheers,

Logan
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Post by: Tophe on January 04, 2014, 10:21:45 am
Thanks for this detailed analysis ;D
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Post by: Captain Canada on January 05, 2014, 07:43:25 am
72nd scale Invader with 48th scale engines and cockpit  :thumbsup:

Love that painting of the Sea Tempest. I'd hate to take a carrier that close to the land/glacier/iceberg tho !

 :cheers:
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Post by: Tophe on January 05, 2014, 07:49:58 am
72nd scale Invader with 48th scale engines and cockpit  :thumbsup:
Wouldn't it 72nd A-26 Invader with 48th (T-6?) cockpit and 144th (P-47?) engines?
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Post by: Captain Canada on January 05, 2014, 09:39:54 am
Looking back at the pic you could probably use the T-6 engines as well. Single prop as well ?

 :cheers:
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Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 06, 2014, 12:08:27 am
Could be (based on) a Yak-200/210, too? From the size and the engines it's a good match:

(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-200-kr1.jpg)

(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-210-kr2.jpg)
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Post by: Captain Canada on January 06, 2014, 07:32:16 am
I still think it's Invader based, but that would be a good kit to bash if you were going to build one !

 :cheers:
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Post by: kerick on January 06, 2014, 07:39:04 am
Could be (based on) a Yak-200/210, too? From the size and the engines it's a good match:

(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-200-kr1.jpg)

(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-210-kr2.jpg)

The bottom pic looks like its balancing on its main gear! Nice looking aircraft, even for a Russian design.
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Post by: NARSES2 on January 06, 2014, 07:53:32 am
A Model do kits of various versionshttp://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AMU72162 (http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AMU72162)
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Post by: kitnut617 on January 06, 2014, 08:29:02 am
Could be (based on) a Yak-200/210, too? From the size and the engines it's a good match:
(http://ram-home.com/ram-old/yak-210-kr2.jpg)

I think you nailed it Dizzy', with the dorsal fin fillet showing in this pic
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Post by: Tophe on January 06, 2014, 09:50:15 am
Interesting comparison... while the text (next page) is saying this is a Douglas...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_0141_zpsad770b19.jpg)
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Post by: Logan Hartke on January 06, 2014, 10:57:49 am
The other thing that I thought was interesting was that the plane is low wing, but the nacelles are still slung, so the fuselage would sit way off the ground.

Cheers,

Logan
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Post by: Tophe on January 06, 2014, 05:06:27 pm
Yes, thanks.
And here is the last picture with this 'Douglas' plane:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/s_0141_zps46cb52f3.jpg)
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Post by: Tophe on January 25, 2014, 11:40:57 pm
From his (French) toys catalogue, my son showed me the Real Boeing-747 is 2-engined (with 3 passengers only)...:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/001c_zpseb48541a.jpg)
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Post by: Nils on January 26, 2014, 12:44:52 am
thats cute, a Jimbo  ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyTF4ufVBUg
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Post by: Tophe on January 26, 2014, 03:11:56 am
Thanks for your link, Nils, directing to another link with kinda Vickers Wellington cartoon:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/mysteryPlane_zpsf8373f06.jpg)
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Post by: scooter on January 26, 2014, 05:01:42 am
From his (French) toys catalogue, my son showed me the Real Boeing-747 is 2-engined (with 3 passengers only)...:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/001c_zpseb48541a.jpg)

Reminds me of the Fisher Price jet, which is basically an egg-shaped DC-9
(http://www.thisoldtoy.com/new-images/images-ok/100-199/fp183-playfamilyfunjet.jpg)

And which Nick mentioned here (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?topic=31836.0)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on January 26, 2014, 08:45:17 am
Nice one, thanks! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Nils on January 31, 2014, 11:09:21 am
this one was on the front page of Belgian bussiness newspaper "De Standaard" today.
(article was the rivalry between Brussels Airlines and Ryanair in Brussels Airport).

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/1553561_10201994808006589_649654642_o.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on January 31, 2014, 12:06:04 pm
That's pretty cool ! I think Ryanair would have the upper hand, in sheer numbers....you guys buy about 4 737s for the price of one F-35 !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on February 01, 2014, 05:56:42 am
Well I know who I'm rooting for  :rolleyes: :banghead:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: JayBee on February 01, 2014, 06:09:08 am
Well I know who I'm rooting for  :rolleyes: :banghead:

I trust it is NOT Michael O'Leary!  :angry:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on February 01, 2014, 06:12:30 am
Well I know who I'm rooting for  :rolleyes: :banghead:

I trust it is NOT Michael O'Leary!  :angry:

No it's not. I've had a couple of issues. They may well provide a perfectly adequate service for a lot of people but as I said I've had a few issues whilst flying on business. The other major budget provider on the other had was excellent when a couple of problems cropped up
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: dumaniac on February 01, 2014, 03:58:18 pm
hate to see the competition escalate - my daughter works in France and flies on Ryanair
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on May 13, 2014, 08:01:02 pm
The whiffs you find on pieces of paper at safety meetings ! I spotted this scribbled on a sign in sheet at a job we did for a local frac plant.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/buzzhemply/IMG_0558_zps06078a1b.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/buzzhemply/media/IMG_0558_zps06078a1b.jpg.html)

I had to add to it  :thumbsup:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v729/buzzhemply/IMG_0560_zpse1ebf88f.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/buzzhemply/media/IMG_0560_zpse1ebf88f.jpg.html)

Tracked down the guy who drew it and asked " Is this supposed to be a Harrier ? " He replied " I dunno, is that the plane from True Lies ?" Close !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: McColm on June 02, 2014, 04:09:15 pm
Picked up a copy of Air International June 2014 vol.86 No.6.
On page 51 picture 6. Description is an artist impression of the A-60M laser-gun. Can't help think that the ILyushin IL-76MD-90A Candid has been fitted with the radome from the BAe Nimrod AEW3.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on August 03, 2014, 12:26:07 am
I have bought the (French) book "Le premier vol d'Oscar" by the delicious cartoonist Jean Barbaud, and I love (most of all) this Vampire shy girl...:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/R0174_zpsef23ad46.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: ericr on August 03, 2014, 01:20:07 am
I have bought the (French) book "Le premier vol d'Oscar" by the delicious cartoonist Jean Barbaud, and I love (most of all) this Vampire shy girl...:


so cute indeed : Hasegawa should do it as an Egg Plane!
They did the P38, they could start a whole series of twin-boom egg-planes ...
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on August 03, 2014, 08:27:18 am
I have bought the (French) book "Le premier vol d'Oscar" by the delicious cartoonist Jean Barbaud, and I love (most of all) this Vampire shy girl...:


so cute indeed : Hasegawa should do it as an Egg Plane!


Yup make a great Egg Plane
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Caveman on August 05, 2014, 01:25:32 pm
I think it is supposed to be a cartoon SIPA 200

http://machdiamonds.com/s200.html (http://machdiamonds.com/s200.html)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 05, 2014, 03:44:55 pm
I think it is supposed to be a cartoon SIPA 200

http://machdiamonds.com/s200.html (http://machdiamonds.com/s200.html)

Yeah, but a SIPA 2000 is a cartoon Vampire.  ;D :lol:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on August 05, 2014, 08:21:48 pm
Yes, I guess you're right (I will ask the cartoonist Jean Barbaud on Facebook, I hope he will answer).
While... there was also a Vampire character it seems, a "boy" not a "girl"...:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_0177_zpsd0246d98.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on August 06, 2014, 07:48:07 am
Yes, I guess you're right (I will ask the cartoonist Jean Barbaud on Facebook, I hope he will answer).
While... there was also a Vampire character it seems, a "boy" not a "girl"...:
Master Jean has answered: yes, the orange boy is a Vampire and the pink girl is a Minijet!
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on August 06, 2014, 10:33:39 am
Love the look of that Vampire !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Caveman on August 06, 2014, 02:22:42 pm
Has it just farted?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on August 06, 2014, 09:17:09 pm
The little smoke on the central exhaust, for a boy, may be... yes, ahem ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on September 05, 2014, 11:59:58 pm
If you have a good magnifying glass then in the current issue of Model Art Australia you can just make out Comrade Harps' whiffed DUKW in one of the pics from the Melbourne Model Expo.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on January 17, 2015, 07:57:22 pm
There are some cool designs in the Graphic Novel "Scarlet Traces: the Great Game":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_Traces

and:

https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/12-422/Scarlet-Traces-The-Great-Game-1-of-4

https://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/12-422?page=4

for some great looking aircraft designs - particularly the Mars Fighter craft.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on January 17, 2015, 08:56:18 pm
Some cool stuff there. In the second link it looks like the planes could be going either way !

 :drink:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on January 18, 2015, 03:41:04 pm
They're all canard configuration, but you're correct - they could very well be going the other way.
Depends on how you want to build it...
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Dizzyfugu on January 20, 2015, 06:35:49 am
Some delightful illustrations of R2-D2 ‘dressed’ as popular comicbook superheroes. Totally pointless, but...

(http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-berrington20012015/1.png)

(http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-berrington20012015/2.png)

(http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-berrington20012015/3.png)

(http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-berrington20012015/4.png)

(http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-berrington20012015/5.png)

(http://editorial.designtaxi.com/news-berrington20012015/7.png)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Go4fun on January 20, 2015, 08:04:10 am
Na na na na na Bat Tooey!
Interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Jesse220 on January 20, 2015, 02:30:49 pm
Nice  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 04, 2015, 08:13:23 am
I have recently discovered the wonderful Belgian cartoon books "Luftgaffe 44" with Philippe Abbet marvelous drawings. There are 3 volumes already and many marvelous caricatures of airplanes. I am jealous, I wish I had this talent...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/2015/bipoutr_zpsvoxytqhy.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on April 07, 2015, 04:23:19 am
Love the green R2 ! Very cool and a neat idea.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: The Rat on October 24, 2015, 06:34:27 pm
In an old magazine at the Ajax model show today

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/DaveBailey/Models/C-141%20AWACS_zpsjdjfvurc.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on October 25, 2015, 06:35:58 am
The R2 units look good ! Hard to pick a favourite, prob Flash or Green Hornet.

The Starlifter is a great idea too !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 02, 2016, 07:47:22 am
In a French Disney magazine that I bought for my 6 y.o. son (Picsou Magazine Hors Série #34 = Mc Duck Special #34?), I have found a cute cartoon B-17 (drawing of the 1950s):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/McDuck_B-17_zpslqpxnhev.jpg)

Ups: it is a B-29 according to https://torrentbutler.eu/84899-little-johnny-jet
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Nils on April 02, 2016, 08:25:20 am
ah yes "Little Johnny Jet" :)
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk8rbj_little-johnny-jet_tv
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on April 02, 2016, 06:20:05 pm
That is awesome ! Thanks for the link as well Nils ! I'll enjoy watching more of those.

PS-The Starlifter looks great
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 02, 2016, 11:02:14 pm
Wonderful link/film, thanks a lot!
I have to scan 6 other aircraft from this magazine, including 2 lovely twin-boomers...

EDIT: Here are the 3 first ones:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/Picsou34_identify_zps4pssdg2v.jpg)
Are they Real aircraft turned cartoons or pure fantasy? I love them :wub:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 03, 2016, 10:07:50 pm
And this is a genuine cartoon-airplane, maybe looking-like-nothing but cute...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_Picsou34_p105r_zpsvsrqhqca.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 04, 2016, 10:17:55 am
And a fantasy twin-boomer (or 2):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/r_Picsou34_TB01_zps1fpqxs3v.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 06, 2016, 02:40:17 am
Another classic...  :wub:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_JNSZjySQZ7w/SJHlrLrkTYI/AAAAAAAAAO8/A9AV3k0hjWI/s400/Colibri1.jpg)

(http://yoko.tsuno.free.fr/graphics/engins/large/colibri3.jpg)

(http://modelstories.free.fr/analyses/avions/MS2001_4P/YOKO_Colibri/YOKO_Coli_Canon_1.JPG)


And it has even been modeled/scratched several times:

An 1:48 build: http://modelstories.free.fr/analyses/avions/MS2001_4P/YOKO_Colibri/

(http://modelstories.free.fr/analyses/avions/MS2001_4P/YOKO_Colibri/YOKO_Coli_1.JPG)

Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: ericr on April 06, 2016, 03:58:39 pm

ah, Yoko Tsuno  :wub:  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Dizzyfugu on April 11, 2016, 08:48:32 am
another accidental find... Marvel's Sky Wolves and their exotic mounts:

(http://www.ourworlds.net/blackhawk/media/f5u.jpg)


(http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/skywolveswwii7.jpg)


Note the interesting design twist of these "jet powered Flapjacks":

(http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/skywolveswwii2.jpg)


More here, BTW: http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/skywolveswwii.htm
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 11, 2016, 10:38:33 am
VTOL Flapjack? Wow! :wub: :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Jesse220 on April 11, 2016, 06:57:57 pm
No Way!  :o
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Madoc on April 16, 2016, 06:15:56 pm
Wow!  Never heard of that one.  Yeah, it's a blatant copying of "Blackhawks!" but, what the hell!  It certainly would get some odd looks at a model contest showing up with a jet / prop VTOL F5U-2 in that livery!
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on April 28, 2016, 07:55:43 pm
I like it. Very Bat like. Looks like a cut down CF-100 as well.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on March 08, 2017, 05:48:33 am
In this months SAM's report on the Bolton show there's a WIF that I initially didn't give a second look because I assumed it was a F.A.A. Tomcat. However putting my glasses on it appears to be a swing wing Phantom with the wings at full sweep. Very nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on March 22, 2017, 03:27:55 pm
From an old manual that was my Grandfathers, he was a fitter at 6RD during and after the war.

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17362921_10212650265757836_1548810158579093057_n.jpg?oh=e1fbd95002f64a65630c4b0d78e7a30a&oe=5971C780)

Makes me think the RCAF was considering the B-29

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17308830_10212650265797837_8697472349581774884_n.jpg?oh=84390debcae93523e255d5998be2377d&oe=59703E71)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 22, 2017, 03:32:43 pm
And KC-97s to refuel them too. Bags of Whiffness scope there.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on March 22, 2017, 04:09:12 pm
Looks like a KB-29P refueling the B-29 rather than a KC-97.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/420th_Air_Refueling_Squadron_Bell-Atlanta_KB-29P-45-BA_Superfortress_44-83906.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 22, 2017, 05:01:14 pm
Could be, yes. They'd have ended up with KC-97s though.  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on March 23, 2017, 08:30:24 am
... or, seeing as it's Canada, KB-50s carrying air-droppable lifeboats for SAR and
they'd still be in service today.
 ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 23, 2017, 08:49:22 am
How about air droppable sleds and dog teams too?  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on March 23, 2017, 08:59:56 am
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on March 23, 2017, 01:22:32 pm
I've got a few B-29/ KB-50s in the stash that I have always wanted to whif RCAF  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on March 24, 2017, 06:57:34 am
How about air droppable sleds and dog teams too?  ;D

Probably happened somewhere/sometime. I'm sure I've seen footage of dogs being parachuted. Probably would have been back in the 50/60's when there wouldn't have been the uproar there would be now, and I'm a dog lover. I'm sure my old Dobbie Sally would have loved it  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: TsrJoe on March 24, 2017, 12:18:25 pm
Love the RCAF. B.29/KB.29 are there any further images in the booklet noted, certainly different :)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: ChernayaAkula on March 24, 2017, 02:30:55 pm
<...> I'm sure I've seen footage of dogs being parachuted. Probably would have been back in the 50/60's when there wouldn't have been the uproar there would be now <...>

Not sure about any uproar, but it's still being done regularly. :thumbsup: They've even got protective vests and doggy-sized goggles now.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on March 24, 2017, 02:55:37 pm
<...> I'm sure I've seen footage of dogs being parachuted. Probably would have been back in the 50/60's when there wouldn't have been the uproar there would be now <...>

Not sure about any uproar, but it's still being done regularly. :thumbsup: They've even got protective vests and doggy-sized goggles now.

(http://sofrep.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/NavySEAL5.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FsnPAQ137fY/hqdefault.jpg)
(https://sofrep.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/13435347_582736938571581_912883649960295294_n-834x838.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: kerick on March 24, 2017, 07:34:02 pm
Thats got to be a huge amount of training to get the dog to wear that gear and then jump out of an aircraft!
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on March 24, 2017, 07:44:09 pm
Love the RCAF. B.29/KB.29 are there any further images in the booklet noted, certainly different :)

Nothing whiffy. This one was pretty much a whif at the time tho, an idea of what the Argus would look like in service.

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17353365_10212650265877839_1377864164506860645_n.jpg?oh=0740c63a22072cd138867854249e9e16&oe=596BFE3A)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on March 24, 2017, 08:44:51 pm
Thats got to be a huge amount of training to get the dog to wear that gear and then jump out of an aircraft!

I'm not sure.  Look at what some people dress their dogs up in everyday.  Plus wouldn't free falling be like the whole body equivalent of putting your head out of the car window?
I think once they'd tried it the difficulty would be stopping the dogs jumping out when they were not supposed to.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on March 25, 2017, 12:03:08 am
Thats got to be a huge amount of training to get the dog to wear that gear and then jump out of an aircraft!

I'm not sure.  Look at what some people dress their dogs up in everyday.  Plus wouldn't free falling be like the whole body equivalent of putting your head out of the car window?
I think once they'd tried it the difficulty would be stopping the dogs jumping out when they were not supposed to.

It's probably down to trust in the Handler, at least in part. And Military Crazy - that's not just for Hoomins anymore...  :lol:

I've seen photos of Squaddies on patrol with a 'holstered' dog in a carry harness on one's back... first generation smart ordnance, maybe?


And you ever notice that the same Dog that gets annoyed when you blow in their face, will stick it's head out of a vehicle window if given even a fraction of a chance?  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on March 25, 2017, 05:01:12 am
Thats got to be a huge amount of training to get the dog to wear that gear and then jump out of an aircraft!

I'm not sure.  Look at what some people dress their dogs up in everyday.  Plus wouldn't free falling be like the whole body equivalent of putting your head out of the car window?
I think once they'd tried it the difficulty would be stopping the dogs jumping out when they were not supposed to.

It's probably down to trust in the Handler, at least in part. And Military Crazy - that's not just for Hoomins anymore...  :lol:

I've seen photos of Squaddies on patrol with a 'holstered' dog in a carry harness on one's back... first generation smart ordnance, maybe?


And you ever notice that the same Dog that gets annoyed when you blow in their face, will stick it's head out of a vehicle window if given even a fraction of a chance?  ;D

I know my old Doberman would probably have loved it given her behaviour when we had the top down in the Spitfire  ;)

As for Doggie smart ordnance. The Soviet's tried it and there is footage of what was probably training. The problem was that some of the dogs returned to their owners complete with ordnance  :o

Cheers for the pics and info lades
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: kitnut617 on March 25, 2017, 05:44:03 am
Love the RCAF. B.29/KB.29 are there any further images in the booklet noted, certainly different :)

Nothing whiffy. This one was pretty much a whif at the time tho, an idea of what the Argus would look like in service.

(https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17353365_10212650265877839_1377864164506860645_n.jpg?oh=0740c63a22072cd138867854249e9e16&oe=596BFE3A)

Thanks Todd --- your pic reminded me I should really get going on the two 1/72 scale Argus I have
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on March 25, 2017, 06:06:42 am
I want to see the pages covering "Untypical Metal Repairs"  ;)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 25, 2017, 08:32:13 am

I want to see the pages covering "Untypical Metal Repairs"  ;)


They're the ones that use Duct Tape and chewing gum............  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on March 25, 2017, 07:10:44 pm

I want to see the pages covering "Untypical Metal Repairs"  ;)


They're the ones that use Duct Tape and chewing gum............  ;D

Hey, if it can't be fixed with Duct Tape and Gum, it's too broken to repair and needs replacing!
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Gondor on March 26, 2017, 05:53:54 am

I want to see the pages covering "Untypical Metal Repairs"  ;)


They're the ones that use Duct Tape and chewing gum............  ;D

I have heard of RAF airframe fitters being taught to repair control linkages with wooden dowel and five minute epoxy  :unsure:

Gondor
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on March 26, 2017, 06:26:47 am
lol I'm sure there have been many untypical cases !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 26, 2017, 07:17:44 am
I think I read in one my umpteen Falklands books that they repaired AAA damaged Harriers with duct tape aboard ship.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on March 26, 2017, 07:27:29 am
I think I read in one my umpteen Falklands books that they repaired AAA damaged Harriers with duct tape aboard ship.

600 mph tape is a common "quick fix" before patching.  I know there was a C-5 hit on final to BIAP that took SAM/AAA damage to a nacelle (IIRC) and was patched with 600mph tape.

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/easyjet-airplane-speed-tape-600mph-adam-wood-tweet-fb.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 26, 2017, 07:31:05 am
I think I read in one my umpteen Falklands books that they repaired AAA damaged Harriers with duct tape aboard ship.

600 mph tape is a common "quick fix" before patching.  I know there was a C-5 hit on final to BIAP that took SAM/AAA damage to a nacelle (IIRC) and was patched with 600mph tape.

(http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/easyjet-airplane-speed-tape-600mph-adam-wood-tweet-fb.jpg)

I'm impressed that he's rubbing it down well with that small rod. I bet he's a demon modeller too.  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 27, 2017, 01:09:45 am
Rather looks like aluminum tape to me?  :o
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on March 27, 2017, 02:17:29 am
Rather looks like aluminum tape to me?  :o

It's prolly got a Lockheed part number and a 4 figure price tag...
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on March 27, 2017, 08:24:44 am
Rather looks like aluminum tape to me?  :o

It is, "600 mph tape" is a joking reference, speed tape is the more usual name.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on March 27, 2017, 08:28:46 am
Rather looks like aluminum tape to me?  :o

It's prolly got a Lockheed part number and a 4 figure price tag...

~$30.00 - 40.00+USD per roll depending on manufacturer, distributor source and per roll or per case pricing.
I might even still have a bit from my heli days.


Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on March 28, 2017, 05:42:12 am


~$30.00 - 40.00+USD per roll depending on manufacturer

4 figures, Dizzy was right  :angel:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 16, 2017, 12:52:15 am
My son got as present a Walt Disney comic booklet, including a nice & weird little plane:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/2017-04-16%2009-37-15_0665_zpsdxzwaqrd.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on April 16, 2017, 12:53:36 am
That's quite nice Tophe and very buildable
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 16, 2017, 01:06:08 am
Thanks!
I have checked other Disney comics of my son, and found these:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/2017-04-16%20envoi_zpsoajp0k2w.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on April 16, 2017, 01:10:31 am
The top one is very Disney, you can almost "see" the face.

The bottom one, along with your origional one, however are what I would consider to be very French or Belgian comic book in their style.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 16, 2017, 03:34:52 am
The bottom one must be the world's only biz-glider, it seems to have no engines......  :o
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on April 16, 2017, 04:36:18 am
The bottom one could be built in 1/144 using a 1/24 modern jet drop tank.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 16, 2017, 05:10:37 am
The bottom one must be the world's only biz-glider, it seems to have no engines......  :o
On the page just after there is a front view, slightly from above: there are 2 little jets under the fin (like DC-9, or biz-jet Mystère-20/DH-125 etc.). Here they are hidden by the wing. Do you want me to scan the front view?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 16, 2017, 08:36:19 am
They must be VERY little ones!  :o
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 16, 2017, 09:45:59 am
tiny jets, this is cartoon what-if :thumbsup:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/2017-04-16%2018-36-01_0676_zpsfucxhabx.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 16, 2017, 11:05:04 am
Hm, rather reminiscent of my DC9-BJ.

(http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4276/tx7h.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 16, 2017, 11:12:35 am
Lovely!
My son asks me if you ever were a passenger of it... ;)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on April 16, 2017, 01:57:48 pm
Lovely!
My son asks me if you ever were a passenger of it... ;)

Hehehe, although it's in the colours of my ex-employers it never really existed.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on May 06, 2017, 02:24:19 pm
Those cartoons are cool Tophe I like #356 !

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: CANSO on July 09, 2017, 07:24:38 pm
An interesting (even utterly absurd!) design for an attack plane - you have almost everything "bi-"there: biplane, bi-empennage, double bi-engines etc. The push-pull idea with different types of engines (Herr Dornier salutes you!) is amazing! I also love the rear positioned cockpit like one of a racing plane (or is the cockpit under the front turret? :rolleyes:):
(https://i2.wp.com/pulpcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/19811003-dustyayres_blakeslee.jpg?fit=746%2C1088&ssl=1).
If you search Google for "Dusty Ayres" you might find more like this:
(https://i1.wp.com/pulpcovers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Dusty-Ayres-and-His-Battle-Birds-May-1935.jpg?fit=1041%2C1482&ssl=1)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: DogfighterZen on July 09, 2017, 11:57:40 pm
An interesting (even utterly absurd!) design for an attack plane - you have almost everything "bi-"there: biplane, bi-empennage, double bi-engines etc.

Probably even the crewmen/women are bi...  :wacko: ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: loupgarou on July 10, 2017, 12:10:04 am
Inspiring!
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on July 10, 2017, 04:51:40 am
An interesting (even utterly absurd!) design for an attack plane - you have almost everything "bi-"there: biplane, bi-empennage, double bi-engines etc.

Probably even the crewmen/women are bi...  :wacko: ;D

Or Bipolar.

Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on July 22, 2017, 05:52:31 pm
An interesting (even utterly absurd!) design for an attack plane - you have almost everything "bi-"there: biplane, bi-empennage, double bi-engines etc.

Probably even the crewmen/women are bi...  :wacko: ;D

Or Bipolar.

I'm in two minds about how to take that remark...
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on August 27, 2017, 12:27:04 am
Couple of Wiffs in September's SAM

A photo taken at the Scot's Nationals of a really nice 1/144 FAA Tornado M. Nice twin tails, colour scheme and armament  :thumbsup:

Full build article on an in-service Rockwell International XFV-12A. Builder combines parts from the Anigrand kit (which I've built) and the Whirlybird vacform kit. Finished in Aeronvale markings. Very nice  :thumbsup:

Good edition of the mag.

Added on 1/9/17

Not a wiff but interesting in the same edition there's an article on USN Reserve Airwing RAW 91. Now one of the units was ZP-911 which was a Blimp unit established in 1950. Now I knew the US operated blimps in WWII on over ocean patrols but had no idea they were still being used as late as the 1959 when the unit was disbanded. Indeed the unit took part in a  major exercise simulating a surface and sub-surface threat to the US East Coast in 1953.

Amongst the photos is a great one of two blimps in their hangar taken in 1953 sheltering from a hurricane. Most of the rest of RAW 91 is in their with them and is absolutely dwarfed. Including the 2 Privateer's ! Great article if just for the amazing mix of aircraft the units flew.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on October 04, 2017, 05:48:41 am
November's Airfix Magazine has a really nice USAF English Electric Lightning in Vietnam style camouflage and US weapons. Could almost be tempted to do something similar  ;)

Also has a full build of the new tool Airfix Phantom
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: kitnut617 on October 04, 2017, 05:42:01 pm
really nice USAF English Electric Lightning in Vietnam style camouflage and US weapons. Could almost be tempted to do something similar  ;)


Well in my very latest Air-Britain AeroMilitaria (arrived a couple of days ago), there's a colour photo of an F-102 in the same scheme
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on October 05, 2017, 01:47:49 am
really nice USAF English Electric Lightning in Vietnam style camouflage and US weapons. Could almost be tempted to do something similar  ;)


Well in my very latest Air-Britain AeroMilitaria (arrived a couple of days ago), there's a colour photo of an F-102 in the same scheme

Like this?
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f102/f102_30.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: kitnut617 on October 05, 2017, 03:50:57 am
really nice USAF English Electric Lightning in Vietnam style camouflage and US weapons. Could almost be tempted to do something similar  ;)


Well in my very latest Air-Britain AeroMilitaria (arrived a couple of days ago), there's a colour photo of an F-102 in the same scheme

Like this?
(http://www.aerospaceweb.org/aircraft/fighter/f102/f102_30.jpg)

Yep!, although it's a photo of one somewhere in the UK (I think) at an airshow and the one in the photo I have shows really worn out paint on the center fuselage, looks almost grey
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Caveman on October 11, 2017, 09:58:48 am
Just received my copy of aeroplane through the post and it had an advert for the scale model world 2017, which featured this absolute stunner.

(https://i2.wp.com/ipmsuk.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Class-76.jpg?fit=800%2C529)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 11, 2017, 11:39:20 am
That was last year's Senior Champion model. I mentioned else where that everyone says it's amazing and yet fail to mention that it's a Whiff. The same builder has won the top spot three years on the trot with his Whiffs now............
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Old Wombat on October 12, 2017, 04:17:12 am
Whif or SciFi? :unsure: The line'd be pretty blurry around this build.


(Unless you're me, & SciFi & What If...? are two branches of the same genre.)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: cafe on November 05, 2017, 12:44:08 pm

ah, Yoko Tsuno  :wub:  ;D

So many planes in the Yoko Tsuno comics! Apart from the Colibri my favorites are the stratospheric recce plane with its parasite glider from "Message pour l'éternité", the glider being able to do jet-assisted take offs, and the hovercraft-lanched typhoon-busting attack planes from "La fille du vent". Also from"Message pour l'éternité": an antique H.P. 42 or 45 named "Horus" doing a jet-assisted take off from an afghan crater.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 11, 2017, 10:29:43 am
Agree. I am just reading though the comics these days and came across that twin-engine U-2 derivative (in Swiss ciolors, BTW). And I am keen on creating something along the lines of the Colibri.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: cafe on April 01, 2018, 02:00:20 pm
The current issue of french magazine Aérojournal (april/may 2018) has a what-if article about the use of the P-47N by the French Air Force in East Asia. It starts with the P-47N-5s used against Japan in october 1945 (a french flight attached to 318th FG) or over Korea against the Soviet Union in november/december 1945. The first atomic bomb is dropped over Hiroshima on december 7 and the second one on Kokura 5 days later. They end WWII and lead to the soviets and North Koreans to withdraw to the 38th parallel. In march the 20th Escadre de Chasse is established at Than Son Nhut and takes part in the Indochina war that doesn't end as badly for France even if the North (Tonkin + Annam) does achieve autonomy in 1950 before full independance 4 years later when Cochinchina holds a referendom to decide its fate. Meanwhile the 20th EC flies P-47N-20 from Hanoi to protect the autonomous north from chinese intrusions (5 chinese Mustangs are shot down in 1951). After 1954, the Jugs are used in the Algerian war. The only french P-47 ace is back in Vietnam in 1969 to coordinate the delivery of the 50 Mirage 5J, originally built for Israel and embargoed the previous year, to a unified Vietnam.

The articles opens with a nice painting of a P-47N of the french flight of 318th FG shooting down a Ki-61 of 18th Sentai. It's illusted with 5 profiles: 3 P-47N (1945, 1946, 1951), one Ki-61 (1945) and 1 chinese P-51D (1951).

IRL France never used the P-47N, only the D.

A few moths ago Aérojournal's sister publication LOS! (about naval warfare) had a 2 or 3 part article about aeronaval operations when the Cold War went hot in the 1980ies (the Clem was sunk in the Med but its Crusaders shot down quite a few Backfire on their way home).

Another what if article from Aérojournal was about the Vichy armed forces taking advantage of operation Torch to rejoin the fight against Germany, getting help from the allies and starting the liberation of France.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on April 02, 2018, 03:13:46 am
A few moths ago Aérojournal's sister publication LOS! (about naval warfare) had a 2 or 3 part article about aeronaval operations when the Cold War went hot in the 1980ies (the Clem was sunk in the Med but its Crusaders shot down quite a few Backfire on their way home).

Sounds like they borrowed that plot from Red Storm Rising, just replacing the Foch with Clem.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on October 02, 2018, 01:39:04 am
Last month I bought for my son a child magazine: "Les trésors de Picsou" (Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge) #44, and I found this airplane, inventive it seems:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/Picsou201809_zpsqljdq1fu.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on October 02, 2018, 05:52:39 am
Last month I bought for my son a child magazine: "Les trésors de Picsou" (Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge) #44, and I found this airplane, inventive it seems:


So piston engines plus a rocket motor ?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on October 02, 2018, 06:12:33 am
Last month I bought for my son a child magazine: "Les trésors de Picsou" (Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge) #44, and I found this airplane, inventive it seems:


So piston engines plus a rocket motor ?

Looks like it's being shot down
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on October 02, 2018, 06:31:34 am
Last month I bought for my son a child magazine: "Les trésors de Picsou" (Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge) #44, and I found this airplane, inventive it seems:


So piston engines plus a rocket motor ?

Looks like it's being shot down

Must admit I wasn't sure Scoot ???
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on October 05, 2018, 01:30:52 am
Looks like it's being shot down
I have read the story to confirm or deny, and it is rather mysterious. This is not war and there is no ground fire. But the plane in South America's high mountains had its belly hurting the top of a mountain, this is an accident. Why engines are in fire then ? Ahem, this seems to be "artistic" (dramatic) freedom... ;)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 05, 2018, 04:13:17 am
It must come from the same genre as most American movies, the ones where the car crashes and INSTANTLY bursts into flames or explodes violently.

You wouldn't catch me travelling in of those, oh no!
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on October 05, 2018, 04:33:09 am
Thanks for this explanation, very convincing. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Green Dragon on October 06, 2018, 12:01:53 am
If it is piloted by Launchpad McQuack it's very likely to go down in flames. Practically everything he flies ends up kerjiggered!

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: AS.12 on October 06, 2018, 04:04:31 am
It must come from the same genre as most American movies, the ones where the car crashes and INSTANTLY bursts into flames or explodes violently.


There's an effort on TV Tropes to document those instances!

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EveryCarIsAPinto
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Weaver on October 06, 2018, 05:57:13 pm
It must come from the same genre as most American movies, the ones where the car crashes and INSTANTLY bursts into flames or explodes violently.

You wouldn't catch me travelling in of those, oh no!

Can't remember which movie it was (James Bond?) where a perfectly intact car goes over a cliff and bursts into flames mid-air before hitting anything on the ground. How does that work then? Is there a weight-on-wheel switch on each shock absorber: four zeroes and the spark plug in the fuel tank gets energised?  :o

It's almost as good as those war films where somebody throws a hand grenade (2.5 oz of explosive) into an empty brick building and a massive fireball results: WHAT'S BURNING?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on October 07, 2018, 01:39:43 am
I know Mythbusters investigated shooting at the petrol tank of a car and I think they also drove some off cliffs to see if they explode.
Of course, being experienced moviemakers they would have already known pyrotechnics were involved.

Why don't cars in movies explode when they hit water from height?  Surely the impact would be as great if the fall was enough.

Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Steel Penguin on October 07, 2018, 03:01:21 am
around 25 years ago, I was an active member of the shadowrun message board, and the cars, fuel tanks, and explosions thing came up. ( this kind of thing being very cyberpunk,)    One of the US members and some friends, did ( we were told) extensive research, ( they and some friends, spent a weekend using various fire arms they had access to, some old cars, and various fuel volumes ) and couldn't make it happen.   the remote squib / detcord and a bottle of fuel was all that it could be attributed to, the Mythbusters episode merely gave secondary research and conformation. 
the true validation is fortunately something that can be seen after most road accidents, crumpled metal but very, very rarely scorch marks.  After all would we drive or ride if cars did that on a regular occasion ?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on October 07, 2018, 03:18:59 am
...would we drive or ride if cars did that on a regular occasion ?

Unfortunately, yes.
We (humans) regularly drive drunk and break the speed limit because "it won't happen to me".
In fact I suspect if one looked into it then one would find that the reason more people don't speed or drink drive is not the fear of death but the fear of getting caught.

I'm a firm believer in the "spike in the middle of the steering wheel" theory of road safety.  Maybe if cars were prone to explode on impact then I might get less people tailgating me.




Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Steel Penguin on October 07, 2018, 04:14:58 am
Zenrat,  I hate to have to agree with you on that point  :banghead:
the spike in the steering wheel  method is one im not certain id use,  I like to think more of my fellow man than that, ( alas my statement above shows my contradictory feelings).
I try to learn from the mistakes of others, and not have to repeat them myself,  and the one thing that brought this home to me was just after I passed my driving test during 6th form, some one I respected well told me " congratulations on passing, and remember you are now in control of a lethal weapon "   It crystallised things perfectly,  a lot of freedom, and a equal measure of reasonability, both for myself, my passengers, and those around me. 
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 07, 2018, 12:06:09 pm

I'm a firm believer in the "spike in the middle of the steering wheel" theory of road safety.  Maybe if cars were prone to explode on impact then I might get less people tailgating me.


Drive an Austin-Healey 3000, they're totally lethal from that point of view. The steering box is mounted right at the front of the chassis, in front of the radiator even, and the steering column is one long, straight bar that's pointed directly at the driver's chest.

That's the prime reason the car was withdrawn from the US market in the mid-60s, there was NO way it would pass their safety regulations.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: The Rat on January 16, 2019, 06:00:43 am
From an on-line article about Russian cyberwarfare in Mother Jones:

(https://scontent.fybz2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49947998_10157751574893132_7419310202861649920_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fybz2-2.fna&oh=0e618175734b432457016664b0ff2ec0&oe=5CD1906C)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on January 16, 2019, 06:16:11 am
Strange, I never realised the Maus had a Pz IV turret ?  :angel: ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: silverwindblade on January 16, 2019, 10:45:47 am
It must come from the same genre as most American movies, the ones where the car crashes and INSTANTLY bursts into flames or explodes violently.

You wouldn't catch me travelling in of those, oh no!

I have a fairly well-tested theory that the instant a helicopter appears on screen in most action movies, you can start a timer until when it'll go down in flames, usually in some implausibly over the top fashion.
Same with any monster movie where an airstrike is called in. Apparently in the movie world, aircraft are not equipped with standoff weapons, and only their internal guns.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: loupgarou on January 16, 2019, 11:52:00 am
It must come from the same genre as most American movies, the ones where the car crashes and INSTANTLY bursts into flames or explodes violently.

You wouldn't catch me travelling in of those, oh no!

I have a fairly well-tested theory that the instant a helicopter appears on screen in most action movies, you can start a timer until when it'll go down in flames, usually in some implausibly over the top fashion.
Same with any monster movie where an airstrike is called in. Apparently in the movie world, aircraft are not equipped with standoff weapons, and only their internal guns.

But usually monsters are cold blooded, so an heat-searching missile would not recognize them, and I don't think a radar-head one would find them either.  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on January 16, 2019, 02:31:21 pm
It must come from the same genre as most American movies, the ones where the car crashes and INSTANTLY bursts into flames or explodes violently.

You wouldn't catch me travelling in of those, oh no!

I have a fairly well-tested theory that the instant a helicopter appears on screen in most action movies, you can start a timer until when it'll go down in flames, usually in some implausibly over the top fashion.
Same with any monster movie where an airstrike is called in. Apparently in the movie world, aircraft are not equipped with standoff weapons, and only their internal guns.

But usually monsters are cold blooded, so an heat-searching missile would not recognize them, and I don't think a radar-head one would find them either.  ;D

Heck, even in the first Michael Bay Transformers explodathon movie, the responding F-22s were engaging Starscream with M-61s.
(http://www.impdb.org/images/a/a2/TFF-22_4.jpg)

Granted, the logic is that its more...visually exciting.  Same discussion happens with Wars nerds and snubfighters.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: nighthunter on January 16, 2019, 09:55:07 pm
Same discussion happens with Wars nerds and snubfighters.
Actually, it's quite simple, really. With SW snubfighters, proton torpedos and concussion missiles work best against large vessels, while lasers are used against snubfighters.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on February 20, 2019, 05:44:36 am
I found this VTOL cargo with tiltwing in an old French comics, is this a XC-142 or imagination?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/AvionPif_zps9ukarfre.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on February 20, 2019, 06:10:52 am
Looks like the XC-142A (not the best photos from the old NMUSAF Experimental and Presidental Aircraft annex)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/857650_10151268191911814_833832741_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=2e571d59215735bb1f62b6d57b11afaf&oe=5CEB89E1)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/856762_10151268192396814_271901008_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=afe192a32b7e1cf1ad992e903bb8f61a&oe=5CE822A0)
(Behind Rutan's Pulse-jet thing, with horizontal rotor visible)

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/823574_10151268192421814_1005302574_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=f0872d2c020367a1df0d987f008284b9&oe=5CE9C876)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on February 20, 2019, 06:14:42 am
Thanks!
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on February 21, 2019, 04:03:57 am
I found this VTOL cargo with tiltwing in an old French comics, is this a XC-142 or imagination?
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/AvionPif_zps9ukarfre.jpg)

Nice.  I'd like to build something like that but the wing tilt would have to be working so it'd take a bit of engineering to do properly.
How do I calculate lifting capacity based on engine horsepower and propeller size?
Maybe just go with the "if it looks right it is right" principle.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on February 21, 2019, 04:09:15 am
I wish you could do it. :thumbsup:
Don't be afraid: I will not argue that the propeller diameter is not perfect or something, as we are what-ifers, and a secret change in properties may explain all, what-if? ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: scooter on February 21, 2019, 05:04:02 am
Nice.  I'd like to build something like that but the wing tilt would have to be working so it'd take a bit of engineering to do properly.
How do I calculate lifting capacity based on engine horsepower and propeller size?
Maybe just go with the "if it looks right it is right" principle.

Or look at what Vought/LTV did here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTV_XC-142)
Quote
The C-142 was powered by four General Electric T64 turboshaft engines cross-linked on a common driveshaft, which eliminated engine-out asymmetric thrust problems during V/STOL operations, to drive four 15.5-foot (4.7 m) Hamilton Standard fiberglass propellers. Compared to conventional designs it was overpowered: it had 0.27 hp/lb, compared to 0.12 hp/lb for the contemporary Lockheed C-130D Hercules. This extra power was required for safe VTOL operations, and gave the aircraft excellent all-around performance which included a maximum speed of over 400 mph (640 km/h), making it one of the fastest VTOL transport aircraft of the era.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on February 21, 2019, 08:45:01 pm
Thanks Scoot.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on February 22, 2019, 09:42:37 am
You may find this of use Fred, 175 page pdf on
the CL-84 Dynavert:
https://documents.techno-science.ca/documents/CASM-Aircrafthistories-CanadairCL-84VSTOLhistory.pdf
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on February 22, 2019, 10:37:01 am
Thanks for this link, including the Canadair CL-43 twin-boom project 3-view, rare! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on February 22, 2019, 04:20:40 pm
Thanks Jon.  The tilt wing concept may be the answer to the question "how do I whiff this Airfix Skyvan?"

<edit> Just skimmed the file you linked to.  Excellent! Lots of whiffsperation there.  I haven't yet built a tilt wing with props so that'll be first but i'd like to revisit the tilt fan concept sometime.  I need to keep an eye out for suitable sized fans as scratchbilding them is very time consuming.  Computer cooling fans maybe?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Flyer on February 22, 2019, 04:59:59 pm
The tilt wing concept may be the answer to the question "how do I whiff this Airfix Skyvan?"

Please do! I had started playing with that very idea a few years ago only for R/C and still plan to do so sometime, be great to see a plastic version. :mellow:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 23, 2019, 12:09:49 am
I need to keep an eye out for suitable sized fans as scratchbilding them is very time consuming.  Computer cooling fans maybe?

If you do find something suitable and Cheap!, can you please let the rest of us know?
I for one have a couple of ideas but I'm put off by the thought of scratchbuilding Two! engines with Contra-rotating! fans...  :banghead: :
Oh, and did I mention they are to be Shrouded?!  :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on February 23, 2019, 12:19:59 am
I need to keep an eye out for suitable sized fans as scratchbilding them is very time consuming.  Computer cooling fans maybe?

If you do find something suitable and Cheap!, can you please let the rest of us know?
I for one have a couple of ideas but I'm put off by the thought of scratchbuilding Two! engines with Contra-rotating! fans...  :banghead: :
Oh, and did I mention they are to be Shrouded?!  :banghead: :anghead:

Yes. Cheap is the operative word here.  I'm sure I could find computer fans that looked perfect but then would have to junk the motors and casings which would be wasteful and expensive.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 23, 2019, 12:39:54 am
I need to keep an eye out for suitable sized fans as scratchbilding them is very time consuming.  Computer cooling fans maybe?

If you do find something suitable and Cheap!, can you please let the rest of us know?
I for one have a couple of ideas but I'm put off by the thought of scratchbuilding Two! engines with Contra-rotating! fans...  :banghead: :
Oh, and did I mention they are to be Shrouded?!  :banghead: :anghead:

Yes. Cheap is the operative word here.  I'm sure I could find computer fans that looked perfect but then would have to junk the motors and casings which would be wasteful and expensive.

150% agree!

...well, maths was never my strong suit...  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 23, 2019, 12:42:36 am
Perhaps using the fans from old and non-working PCs could be a solution? At the last count I have at least four large size PCs knocking about the place, and there must be a few fans in there.

Garden sheds, attics and basements all over the world could be a suitable source.  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on February 23, 2019, 01:55:34 am
Thanks Jon.  The tilt wing concept may be the answer to the question "how do I whiff this Airfix Skyvan?"


Must admit I've been musing on the idea of an RAF tiltwing transport for the GB
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on February 23, 2019, 03:12:22 pm
I need to keep an eye out for suitable sized fans as scratchbilding them is very time consuming.  Computer cooling fans maybe?

If you do find something suitable and Cheap!, can you please let the rest of us know?
I for one have a couple of ideas but I'm put off by the thought of scratchbuilding Two! engines with Contra-rotating! fans...  :banghead: :
Oh, and did I mention they are to be Shrouded?!  :banghead: :anghead:

Yes. Cheap is the operative word here.  I'm sure I could find computer fans that looked perfect but then would have to junk the motors and casings which would be wasteful and expensive.

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Mini-3-Pin-40mm-PC-Computer-CPU-Cooler-Cooling-Fan-40x40x10mm-DC-12V-9-Blades-/221339558322

4 or more for AU $3.22/ea

 ;)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Flyer on February 23, 2019, 03:24:47 pm
I need to keep an eye out for suitable sized fans as scratchbilding them is very time consuming.  Computer cooling fans maybe?

If you do find something suitable and Cheap!, can you please let the rest of us know?
I for one have a couple of ideas but I'm put off by the thought of scratchbuilding Two! engines with Contra-rotating! fans...  :banghead: :
Oh, and did I mention they are to be Shrouded?!  :banghead: :anghead:
Yes. Cheap is the operative word here.  I'm sure I could find computer fans that looked perfect but then would have to junk the motors and casings which would be wasteful and expensive.


How about something like this? (these are 1.25 inch diameter btw and are only an example, there are many other styles like 5 or 6 blades etc and sizes available with a bit of searching)

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/inductrix-compatible-props-grey-color.html
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 23, 2019, 05:14:22 pm
Oh, cool! Thanks, Flyer - I'll have a peruse!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Later:

YESS!! Those will work, and there's enough material in a lot of them to reshape the blades and cut the diameter down to something more manageable.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks for that, Flyer - have a Pat on the Back - or even two, I'm in a generous mood (takem while you can gettem, it don't happen that often with me...  ;D ;) )
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on February 25, 2019, 03:17:16 am
Thanks Brad F.  That website looks to be a great resource.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Scotaidh on February 25, 2019, 01:24:13 pm
Oh, cool! Thanks, Flyer - I'll have a peruse!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Later:

YESS!! Those will work, and there's enough material in a lot of them to reshape the blades and cut the diameter down to something more manageable.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks for that, Flyer - have a Pat on the Back - or even two, I'm in a generous mood (takem while you can gettem, it don't happen that often with me...  ;D ;) )

And - there's these:

(https://cdn-global-hk.hobbyking.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/660x415/17f82f742ffe127f42dca9de82fb58b1/legacy/catalog/f90210b-70.jpg)

 $6.35 ea

EDF Ducted Fan Unit 6Blade 2.75inch 70mm
 
Blade Diameter: 68.3mm / 2.68inch
Outer Case Diameter: 73mm
Wall Thickness: 1.53mm
EDF Length: 59mm
Front Shroud Diameter: 83mm
Motor Mount Holes: (from 18mm & 22mm)
Blade Type: 6
Shaft Size: 4mm
This EDF will take a motor with a maximum diameter of 28mm.(see related items)

Made from high strength reinforced plastic.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Flyer on February 25, 2019, 02:41:39 pm
 :thumbsup:

There are other empty EDF's like those in there too in 30mm, 40mm and 50mm  :mellow:

(I need a replacement 70mm fan for my R/C jet model, it may not sound very large by the spec's but they are quite bulky in the hand, a 50mm EDF would be better suiting the size of a 1/72 model in my opinion, just food for thought...)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: chrisonord on February 25, 2019, 02:58:13 pm
Those ducted fans look very useful, I think I will look in to some of those
Chris
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Rick Lowe on February 25, 2019, 11:38:05 pm
That's even better, is it from the same site?

Never mind, I see it is... should have looked better!

Thanks, I might have to revisit and spend more money...  ;D
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: zenrat on February 25, 2019, 11:51:57 pm
They are almost perfect for what I have in mind.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Dizzyfugu on March 25, 2019, 09:03:08 am
Stumbled upon this...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FewAAOSwkXRbZ60v/s-l1600.jpg)

Did Batman change sides? And I find the exhaust stubs (???) under the cockpit quite interesting!  :o
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: JayBee on March 25, 2019, 10:06:25 am
Stumbled upon this...

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FewAAOSwkXRbZ60v/s-l1600.jpg)

Did Batman change sides? And I find the exhaust stubs (???) under the cockpit quite interesting!  :o

 I find the exhaust stubs (???) under the cockpit quite interesting! 

...and that explains a lot.  :wacko:
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: kitnut617 on March 25, 2019, 01:23:00 pm
What exhaust stubs Jim ? ah! now I see them ---- looking in the wrong place
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on March 26, 2019, 07:08:08 am
And I find the exhaust stubs (???) under the cockpit quite interesting!  :o

If they are exhaust stubs, and yes they do look like some, then why does it need them ? Or am I missing something ?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 26, 2019, 07:59:26 am
Perhaps it works like the Caproni-Campini, with a piston engine driving the compressor?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on March 27, 2019, 12:43:55 am
Perhaps it works like the Caproni-Campini, with a piston engine driving the compressor?

Didn't think of that
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 21, 2019, 07:04:08 am
In the cartoon book "Economix" explaining economy, I have seen several drawings of aircraft, not completely realistic nor crazy but somewhere in between:
(Ju-87, MiG-15, Super-Constellation, DC-10)
(https://oimg.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/Eco_p136-183_zpshrn7bfyx.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: dumaniac on April 21, 2019, 05:43:56 pm
Perhaps - thinking laterally on a what-if site, the shark teeth are just painted on and there is no air intake at the front (in the teeth). The - your - eyes see what they want to see and the black is not an air intake.

Then - the exhaust stubs are from a cooling device or compressor for a nuclear propulsion unit. Such an engine would explain why this jet was such an opponent. Simple really.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Captain Canada on April 22, 2019, 08:25:00 am
Took awhile to spot the exhaust stubs here as well !
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: nighthunter on April 24, 2019, 06:30:29 am
Actually, Tophe, that's an F-86, not a MiG-15
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on April 24, 2019, 06:53:07 am
Thanks! I thought the star was meaning Soviet, but the low tailplane is not matching this interpretation, you are right.
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on July 30, 2019, 06:43:50 am
In a (French) Walt Disney cartoon booklet I bought for my son is a weird plane that seems what-if, no?:
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/TP47_166_zpscisaxlre.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on July 31, 2019, 05:50:24 am
It's a nice looking aircraft Tophe, very much in the style of the period.

Is that Donald Duck in the co-pilots seat ?
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: Tophe on July 31, 2019, 06:22:30 am
Last month I bought for my son a child magazine: "Les trésors de Picsou" (Walt Disney's Uncle Scrooge) #44, and I found this airplane, inventive it seems:
Here, in Uncle Scrooge #47 booklet, this character is Donald's uncle Scrooge.
And in the same booklet is another airplane it seems (twin-engine? jet or propeller powered?):
(https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v670/Tophe2712/TP47_211-_zpsj9qxyk3m.jpg)
Title: Re: WHIF's found in Magazines/books
Post by: NARSES2 on July 31, 2019, 06:30:13 am
Ah cheers Tophe. I couldn't work out if it was Donald (my favourite) or Scrooge McDuck