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GROUP BUILDS => 2011 Group Builds => The Knackers Yard => 1946 GB => Topic started by: kitbasher on February 04, 2011, 02:36:31 pm

Title: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on February 04, 2011, 02:36:31 pm
Sabre-engined Firefly coming soon!  Based on the Frog/Novo Firefly I and in British Pacific Fleet colours.
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: The Wooksta! on February 04, 2011, 04:43:42 pm
Best to use the one from the Matchbox Tempest as it's got the tropical radiator.
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 05, 2011, 12:51:10 am
Best to use the one from the Matchbox Tempest as it's got the tropical radiator.

But you've got them all.............  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on February 05, 2011, 01:08:50 am
Best to use the one from the Matchbox Tempest as it's got the tropical radiator.
Been in the box from the off!
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on March 02, 2011, 10:58:12 am
Started work on this one, pics will follow soon.
Essentially a straight build, with the exception of the engine.   Cockpits are done (a little extra detail has been added), the wings assembled and fitted (wheel well boxing in under way), and the tailplanes fitted.
Pales into insignificance compared to some of the builds that are coming to light in this GB - especially the Stratocruiser conversion!
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on March 21, 2011, 02:49:31 pm
Some pics of the build showing some quick and basic cockpit detailing (most of which will be lost when the caonopies are fitted), the ample use of filler, and how much the Sabre engine changed the front end.  I didn't think it would do so that much - but au contraire, I think it does. Anyway, make your own minds up on that once the build is finished.
Plan is for a British Pacific Fleet paint job.
 ;D ;D
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Firefly%20FIII/FireflyFRIII01.jpg)(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Firefly%20FIII/FireflyFRIII02.jpg)(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Firefly%20FIII/FireflyFRIII03.jpg)(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Firefly%20FIII/FireflyFRIII04.jpg)
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Captain Canada on March 21, 2011, 03:30:36 pm
It doesn't seem to change it that much to me....but then again, it's a little early to tell. A very cool idea for a very cool aeroplane !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Taiidantomcat on March 22, 2011, 08:57:19 am
Good stuff  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: The Wooksta! on March 22, 2011, 09:20:29 am
Best to use the one from the Matchbox Tempest as it's got the tropical radiator.

But you've got them all.............  ;D ;D

That, Sir, is a gratuitous slur!  I merely have quite a few...

The P.1027 in the background looks as though it's progressing nicely.  I do hope it's getting a Wyvern prop?

Almost tempted to re-engine one of these with a Centaurus.  I know I've a Novo one kicking about somewhere.
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitnut617 on March 22, 2011, 11:57:43 am
Best to use the one from the Matchbox Tempest as it's got the tropical radiator.

Not just as a tropical radiator Lee  The Tempest Mk.V had a 2000+ hp engine and the same radiator layout as the Typhoon, that is that it had the carb' air intake through the middle of it and a section of the radiator was an oil cooler.  The Tempest Mk.VI (the Matchbox kit) had a Sabre Mk.V engine which was 2300+ hp which required a bigger radiator, so Hawker moved the air intake and oil cooler to the wing's leading edge and the radiator under the nose was all for engine coolant.  I'm going with this bit of history for my second DH.101 model because of the increase in power that Sabre engine had over the intended engine the DH.101 was to get.
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitnut617 on March 26, 2011, 08:03:04 am
There is an interesting photo of the prototype Firefly Mk.VII in the newest Aeromilitaria magazine I get, it was a converted Mk.I but has a four blade prop powerd by a Griffon but with an annular radiator, like this below
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on March 29, 2011, 02:32:29 pm
The Firefly I and II was an attractive aircraft from the off - but the IV, 5 and 6 were very pretty ( probably the best looking Fairey series production type) courtesy of the wing radiators.  The 7 was pretty -pretty ugly, that is!
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on May 01, 2011, 11:41:09 am
Painting under way - only after undercoating and painting the prop/spinner did I realise that the Matchbox Tempest Sabre nose must be a little bulkier than the Heller Tempest's as I'm using the latter's prop and spinner.  Plasticard disc had to be made up and shaped to make up the difference (pics to follow below).  Oh, and I've started the backstory - yes I can tell you can barely contain yourselves!
 ;D ;D
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Firefly%20FIII/FireflyFRIII05.jpg)(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Firefly%20FIII/FireflyFRIII06.jpg)
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on May 12, 2011, 12:26:42 pm
All done!  Some more pics of the completed model showing the Sabre chin radiator:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48534514467_169209ba5a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWQ5ez) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48534514482_7926919bd7_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWQ5ez)

Here's a Novo Firefly finished as an FR.I (not one of mine, see http://gregers.7.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=10670)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48534364601_8e5dba625f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWQ5eQ)

And for more on Dutch Fireflies see http://kw.jonker.co/.
 ;D ;D (https://flic.kr/p/2gWPiFF)
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitnut617 on May 12, 2011, 01:49:14 pm
Very nice and well executed ---  :bow: :bow:

I had to look twice because it looks just 'right'
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Gondor on May 12, 2011, 02:42:44 pm
Nice and subtle with lots of double take factor.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Gondor
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: buzzbomb on May 12, 2011, 07:50:40 pm
like the way this finished up.

A very subtle shape change, but a lot more voom I would think
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: NARSES2 on May 13, 2011, 12:47:49 am
I like that a lot sir  :thumbsup:
Title: Subtle...
Post by: sequoiaranger on May 13, 2011, 08:46:42 am
...but sweet.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Old Wombat on May 14, 2011, 06:36:47 am
Very nice! ;D
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Tuck on May 16, 2011, 10:50:46 am
A lovely, subtle beast....excellent!  :lol:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Brian da Basher on May 17, 2011, 01:45:40 pm
This is one slick, sweet and subtle whiff!

That's some pro-style work, kitbasher!
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Captain Canada on June 25, 2014, 05:04:59 pm
That is very subtle.....what a great whif !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Mossie on June 26, 2014, 02:36:49 am
Missed this one the first time around.  Sabres with a chin intake usually make an aircraft uglier, but I think the shape improves over the earlier mark. Nice work!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: The Rat on August 13, 2019, 07:28:15 am
Sabres with a chin intake usually make an aircraft uglier, but I think the shape improves over the earlier mark. Nice work!  :thumbsup:

Agreed, that bulge on either side gives it more character!  :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on August 14, 2019, 12:51:27 am
the 1946 GB 'finished builds' thread pics are rather spoiled by the Photobucket watermark, so....
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48534364541_9b6b4739a4_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWPiED)(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48534364546_ed42a2d40b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWPiED)(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48534364581_c4fa76d297_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWPiEJ)(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48534514497_8c22287a42_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWPiFk) (https://flic.kr/p/2gWQ5f6)
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Mossie on August 14, 2019, 03:02:58 am
You need to add a later Sabre variant
with wing mounted radiators.  That'd be a very subtle whiff. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: The Wooksta! on August 14, 2019, 03:42:46 am
The only snag is that it wouldn't look that different from a Firefly V.  More to the point, where would you get a late Sabre cowling as no one does one.

I still like the idea of a Centaurus one.
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Mossie on August 14, 2019, 05:04:11 am
Remove the intake and build up the gap with plastic card or something.  Alternatively, reshape the Griffon cowling instead.

Century's would be good, give a whole new look.
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on August 14, 2019, 12:23:04 pm
Centaurus Firefly - not strictly thought about that but have matched up the discarded Sea Fury front (plus cowling) from my Sea Fury FB.20 (https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=42285.msg729274#msg729274) up against a NOVO Barracuda and a Centaurus Barracuda should be easily done.  If one is that way inclined!  by extension I imagine a centaurus Sea Fury should be straightforward.
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: PR19_Kit on August 14, 2019, 01:26:01 pm

  by extension I imagine a centaurus Sea Fury should be straightforward.


Errrr, aren't they that way OOB?  :o
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitbasher on August 14, 2019, 02:50:21 pm

  by extension I imagine a centaurus Sea Fury should be straightforward.


Errrr, aren't they that way OOB?  :o

Not if they’re Sabre or Merlin Furies!

Anyway, well done Kit for spotting the deliferate mistale.  Of course I meant Fireflies  :banghead:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: Old Wombat on August 14, 2019, 05:01:55 pm
Or is that Filefries? :angel:
Title: Re: Firefly F.III
Post by: kitnut617 on August 14, 2019, 05:31:09 pm
On the other hand, that Griffon cowling from your Firefly when added to a Tempest, you get the prototype Tempest Mk.III.

I was given this side view by the Air-Britain Typhoon, Tempest Specialist quite a few years ago of it. The description he gave me was it 'looked' like the Sabre cowling but was thinner. Sometime later my Dad gave me a bunch of 'The Aeroplane' bookazines published in the middle 40's, one of the cutaways was one of these Fireflies and the caption said the cowling was a 'power-egg'. I immediately put two-&-two together and realized what the Specialist had described.

(http://village.photos/images/user/8f3973c9-3f0e-4b54-80e2-017121c0bf9f/45d46227-d31c-4d1d-83f1-28ceac4fb93d.jpg)

I've got one started but this photo shows it where I was trying to convert a Beaufighter Mk.II nacelle. I've since switched it to the Firefly cowling but no photo of it as of yet.

(http://village.photos/images/user/8f3973c9-3f0e-4b54-80e2-017121c0bf9f/d0e05f2a-7668-42b1-b554-abe4f52545e9.JPG)

The Specialist told me the drawing he had seen of it showed that the wing was a full elliptical wing so that's what I've got done so far. Wingtips from a Spitfire fitted very well ----

(http://village.photos/images/user/8f3973c9-3f0e-4b54-80e2-017121c0bf9f/fd6d567d-21ae-4713-bea0-6e85a63126d6.JPG)