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Title: Aoshima
Post by: Jschmus on January 28, 2010, 02:13:01 pm
My apologies if this is old news, but naoto was kind enough to post a link to these over on Starship Modeler:

http://www.aoshima-bk.co.jp/scripts/shouhin/series_index.aspx?cl_id=3&ot_id=36&si_id=527

They're 1/32.  Might be useful for dioramas.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Jschmus on April 15, 2010, 01:35:40 pm
HLJ have posted preview pics of various items to be shown at the Shizuoka Hobby Show next month, and part of the Aoshima line is the Hyuga DDH in 1/700:

http://www.hlj.com/product/aos04891

It's slated for a July release.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 15, 2010, 03:17:44 pm
<...> the Hyuga DDH in 1/700 <...>

Tempting! So very, very tempting....  :wacko:

The Pit-Road version costs a bit more. Does anybody know whether the kits are related?   :huh:
Title: Aoshima
Post by: proditor on April 15, 2010, 07:20:23 pm
<...> the Hyuga DDH in 1/700 <...>

Tempting! So very, very tempting....  :wacko:

The Pit-Road version costs a bit more. Does anybody know whether the kits are related?   :huh:

As I understand it, they are not related.  The Pit-Road offering will come in two versions, one waterline, the other, not.  One of the two also gets a gussied up photoetch.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on April 15, 2010, 10:26:19 pm
Still its nice to have a cheaper alternative that we can use for other projects  :thumbsup:
Title: Aoshima
Post by: proditor on April 16, 2010, 07:41:58 am
Absolutely!  I'm just trying to be patient as I wait for the first reviews and sprue comparisons.  ;)
Title: Aoshima
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 16, 2010, 10:00:21 am
Based on previous efforts by Pit Road and Aoshima, which one's likely to be more detailed?
Title: Aoshima
Post by: proditor on April 16, 2010, 10:23:06 am
My tuppence would say that the Aoshima will go together easier, and there probably won't be any weird scale issues on the parts.  The Pit-Road may be better detailed, but you'll run the risk of something looking wildly out of scale.  Mostly the Pit Road Exocet and Phalanx I'm thinking of here.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on April 16, 2010, 11:22:18 am
If your byilding the Hyuga in her own right then the Pitroad example is probably going to be the preferred option, i know the Murasame class JMSDF Destroyers that both do, the Pitroads one is supposed to be much nicer.

However from a whiff perspective the Aoshima kit coming in about 30% cheaper may sway the choice if only after the basic design for doing something different.

I suspect i will end up getting both during the course of the year.

Cheers

Geoff
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on April 16, 2010, 02:10:40 pm
I suspect I will end up getting both during the course of the year.

Cheers

Geoff

Fixed that for you Geoff....  :wacko: ;D

 :cheers:

Duncan




Thats kind of you Dunc, pre-ordering an Aoshima Hyuga for us  :bow:

G
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on July 29, 2010, 10:49:15 am
Well the Aoshima 1/700 JMSDF DDH181 Hyuga has now been released, this one has a full detailed hanger deck unlike the Pitroad version.

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10114635 (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10114635)

G
Title: Aoshima
Post by: nev on July 30, 2010, 12:09:22 am
Wish I had some money :(
Title: Aoshima
Post by: proditor on August 02, 2010, 06:12:52 am
Wish I had some money :(
Preach it brother.  I have this on my wish list, but odds are it's not going to happen until Christmas or so.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Mossie on November 18, 2010, 06:44:58 am
Picked up the new tool 1/48 kit of Airwolf at Telford last weekend, the version without the photoetch.  I've got to admit, The Lady looks lovely.  I'll probably build her oob, if I can afford to pick up others in the future they may get the whiff treatment.

My only beef is that too pilots are identical & Dom's pot belly isn't accuartely portrayed! :lol:  The second one could pass for Caitlin I guess! ;) ;) ;)
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on December 10, 2010, 11:59:02 am
Aoshima are also putting a toe into the 1/700 Whif realm, they have announced the JMSDF Ise which is the sister ship of the JMSDF Hyuga, the actual ship is nearly ready but i don't think it has entered service as yet.

The Whif aspect comes in that it appears they are issuing the kit with F-35B & Harriers  :thumbsup:

http://www.hwjapan.com/sh/ABK10121056.aspx (http://www.hwjapan.com/sh/ABK10121056.aspx)
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Green Dragon on December 10, 2010, 01:39:16 pm
IIRC the Japanese were thinking about changing their laws about carriers not being allowed to carry planes. The "Helicopter Destroyers" were designed to be able to take Harriers or F-35's if the law changed though I reckon they'll add a ski jump if they go ahead.

Paul Harrison
Title: Aoshima
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 10, 2010, 02:42:57 pm
Where would they put the ski-jump? The superstructure is in the way surely?
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Freightdog862 on December 10, 2010, 02:51:18 pm
I got a couple of Aoshima 1/700 Hyuga kits in stock two days ago (inspired by seeing some of Geoff's boaty bits at Sutton Coldfield!), I can't say I know much about ship models but it looks bloody good to me! It includes a fully detailed hanger bay, presumably for a later clear deck version like Tamiya hve done in the past? First batch is supposedly a 'speclal', with etch steel rotor blades (no Harriers or F-35s included, only SH-60K, MH-53E and MCH-101) and a few other arials etc included.
Colin 
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on December 10, 2010, 02:54:12 pm
Kit the JMSDF Hyuga is pretty similar in size and shape the the Invincibles in facts it role is the same as the original Invincible evolved from the Escort Cruiser concept. It has an island and the flight deck does extend out over the port side so a ski-jump could be fitted as per Invincible.

However i suspect the Hyuga & Ise will remain helo carriers and the much larger follow on design would carry the F-35B should they ever get permission to use them and of course LM are able to get the thing to work as intended !

G
Title: Aoshima
Post by: anthonyp on December 10, 2010, 07:07:12 pm
I seriously want a few of these, especially the Ise that doubles as an insta-whif.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on December 11, 2010, 12:35:40 am
I seriously want a few of these, especially the Ise that doubles as an insta-whif.

Its a nice kit Ant, and the hanger deck and other details give it the edge over the Pitroad version. It has plenty of whiff potential as it is STOVL carrier size.

Hopefully they will do the larger ship if its built as i think they still have to get that design approved and ordered.

G
Title: Aoshima
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 11, 2010, 05:33:43 am
Kit the JMSDF Hyuga is pretty similar in size and shape the the Invincibles in facts it role is the same as the original Invincible evolved from the Escort Cruiser concept. It has an island and the flight deck does extend out over the port side so a ski-jump could be fitted as per Invincible.

Ah, OK. Thanks for that Geoff, I must have been looking at another ship.

Everyone seems to be getting Harrier carrriers these days, except us of course!
Title: Aoshima
Post by: rickshaw on December 11, 2010, 06:58:38 am
Kit the JMSDF Hyuga is pretty similar in size and shape the the Invincibles in facts it role is the same as the original Invincible evolved from the Escort Cruiser concept. It has an island and the flight deck does extend out over the port side so a ski-jump could be fitted as per Invincible.

Ah, OK. Thanks for that Geoff, I must have been looking at another ship.

Everyone seems to be getting Harrier carrriers these days, except us of course!

And us.   :unsure:
Title: Aoshima
Post by: pyro-manic on December 11, 2010, 08:26:26 am
Eh? You're getting two shiny new Canberra-class assault ships that are Harrier/F-35 capable. Getting the aircraft is another thing entirely, of course.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: pyro-manic on December 11, 2010, 08:43:02 am
Hmmm. But while Australia is acquiring new platforms with the reasonably strong possibility of improving capability, we are disposing of useful platforms and throwing capability away!
Title: Aoshima
Post by: rickshaw on December 11, 2010, 10:26:01 pm
Eh? You're getting two shiny new Canberra-class assault ships that are Harrier/F-35 capable. Getting the aircraft is another thing entirely, of course.

Capable in that they have a nice flight deck.  Capable as a carrier?  Different things.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on December 11, 2010, 11:29:57 pm
Eh? You're getting two shiny new Canberra-class assault ships that are Harrier/F-35 capable. Getting the aircraft is another thing entirely, of course.

Capable in that they have a nice flight deck.  Capable as a carrier?  Different things.

Well technically no in your case as the ships you are getting are built using a design intended for VTOL aircraft. You just choose not to use them and and such wont fit a ski-jump, or configure the stores for handling aircraft parts and the magazine aircraft weapons. But the deck is built strong enough to operate Harriers (its probably strong enough to handle the weight of F-35B landings although the heat issue has yet to be verified)
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Green Dragon on December 12, 2010, 04:04:57 pm
The VSTOL F-35 doesn't seem too popular at the moment, wonder if any one is considering restarting the Harrier production lines?
Japan could want some if they change the law and the F-35B gets scrapped.
The Thai Navy might want to replace their ex Spanish Matadors.
Even Australia might want some in the future.
I've always disliked designs with extra lift-fan and lift-engines because they are just dead weight in the cruise. Harrier was a much more elegant design solution with just the vectoring nozzles. Have an old Italeri 1/72nd X-35 planned with four vectoring nozzles, maybe have afterburners on the rear ones.

Paul Harrison
Title: Aoshima
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 12, 2010, 05:20:37 pm
The VSTOL F-35 doesn't seem too popular at the moment, wonder if any one is considering restarting the Harrier production lines?

Why  bother? The RAF and FAA could sell them at least four squadrons worth!  :banghead:
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Green Dragon on December 13, 2010, 09:20:18 am
I was thinking the Japanese would want radar on theirs for a bit of fleet air defense, maybe get some AV-8B+'s off the USMarrines when/if they get the F-35's. None of the RAF ones have any radar and all the Shars have been stripped, scrapped or flogged off cheap already.

Paul Harrison
Title: Aoshima
Post by: GTX on December 13, 2010, 11:37:19 pm
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You just choose not to use them and and such wont fit a ski-jump,

Actually, as I understand it, the Canberra class will have the ski-jumps fitted.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on December 14, 2010, 04:52:06 am
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You just choose not to use them and and such wont fit a ski-jump,

Actually, as I understand it, the Canberra class will have the ski-jumps fitted.

Regards,

Greg

Now that does seem daft if the Australian Armed forces don't intend to use STOVL aircraft as it does occupy space that could be better used for helo launch & recovery (as per USN Wasp class - which do infact operate STOVL aircraft.... :banghead:).

Unless of course that means the Australian Armed forces do think they may procure/lease STOVL aircraft once the Canberras are in service ? :-\.

Now what we really need is for somebody to do a kit of the Juan Carlos/Canberra class  ;D
Title: Aoshima
Post by: anthonyp on December 14, 2010, 08:01:01 pm
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You just choose not to use them and and such wont fit a ski-jump,

Actually, as I understand it, the Canberra class will have the ski-jumps fitted.

Regards,

Greg

Now that does seem daft if the Australian Armed forces don't intend to use STOVL aircraft as it does occupy space that could be better used for helo launch & recovery (as per USN Wasp class - which do infact operate STOVL aircraft.... :banghead:).

Unless of course that means the Australian Armed forces do think they may procure/lease STOVL aircraft once the Canberras are in service ? :-\.

Now what we really need is for somebody to do a kit of the Juan Carlos/Canberra class  ;D

That, and re-engineering the hull would have cost more than they wanted to spend.  They've always had their eye on renewing a naval air component, but haven't had the money.  The Juan Carlos I class offered good growth for the future, should they pursue the F-35B eventually.
Title: Aoshima
Post by: rickshaw on December 14, 2010, 08:22:01 pm
One thing I've never quite understood is why no one has designed a flightdeck with an elevating ski-jump.  It would allow the use of either choppers or STOVL aircraft without too much trouble.  You could also alter the angle of the ski-jump, allowing CTOL aircraft to utilise it.  It wouldn't take much to put a couple of hefty hydraulic rams and some hinges onto the flight deck to make it work.

The CANBERRA class will be fitted with a fixed ski-jump.  It was cheaper to accept them with than to have them built without.  Artist's impression:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Canberra_Class_-_Tenix_copyright%2C_fair_use_claimed.jpg)

Title: Aoshima
Post by: anthonyp on December 14, 2010, 08:59:17 pm
One thing I've never quite understood is why no one has designed a flightdeck with an elevating ski-jump.  It would allow the use of either choppers or STOVL aircraft without too much trouble.  You could also alter the angle of the ski-jump, allowing CTOL aircraft to utilise it.  It wouldn't take much to put a couple of hefty hydraulic rams and some hinges onto the flight deck to make it work.


Over-engineering.  That's why.  The cost of a variable ski-jump on a carrier would add a lot to the cost.  Even though the solution might seem simple, defense engineering teams would guarantee it would cost more than common sense should say.

Back to the thread (before I split it), me want Aoshima Hyuga models!!!!!!!!
Title: Aoshima
Post by: GTX on December 14, 2010, 11:33:33 pm
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Unless of course that means the Australian Armed forces do think they may procure/lease STOVL aircraft once the Canberras are in service ? Undecided

Maybe... :rolleyes:.  There is also the ability to allow allied nations' (say USMC) aircraft to use it.

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re-engineering the hull would have cost more than they wanted to spend.

Spot on!

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The cost of a variable ski-jump on a carrier would add a lot to the cost.

Correct again + how often would it really be used (i.e.angle changed)?  Would this justify the extra complexity/cost?

Regards,

Greg
Title: Aoshima
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 15, 2010, 12:50:16 am
The world's very first ski-jump, the land based one at RAE Bedford, was built with a variable angle capability to see how the concept worked with various setting. As I recall the three Invincible class 'carriers' had three different angles to their jumps at one stage in their history.

I can't imagine it would cost THAT much to add it to a ship, unless of course the Government concerned had the same value judgement as a banker....
Title: Aoshima
Post by: rickshaw on December 15, 2010, 02:58:10 am
If the variable ramp had say three settings - down, half-way and up, and gave back, at the down position an extra landing spot for choppers while giving the ship the ability to launch aircraft when required at the two raised positions (half-way for propeller driven AEW/COD, fully up for jet aircraft), I think it would be good value for money.  Its utility would outweigh the costs IMHO.

As Kit has mentioned, in the early days they experimented.  At one point IIRC they even developed a ski-ramp for land use utilising bridging components. 
Title: Aoshima
Post by: GTX on December 17, 2010, 10:26:42 am
The world's very first ski-jump, the land based one at RAE Bedford, was built with a variable angle capability to see how the concept worked with various setting. As I recall the three Invincible class 'carriers' had three different angles to their jumps at one stage in their history.

I can't imagine it would cost THAT much to add it to a ship, unless of course the Government concerned had the same value judgement as a banker....

A land based one used for R&D is a totally different proposition to an actual operational ship based one.   Think of the changes to ship structure to deal with differing loads, the need for machinery (which also needs to be maintained!)...all for something that will confer minimal extra benefit.  And what happens if it jams in a position you don't want it?  I seriously doubt anyone could mount a justifiable argument for doing it.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Weaver on December 25, 2013, 03:56:16 am
This looks like it has possibilities:

http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/index.cfm/product/2789/1700-gigant-future-boy-conan.cfm

(http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/images/products/Aoshima/AOS00432_01_2687.jpg)
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: kitbasher on December 25, 2013, 04:20:22 am
This looks like it has possibilities:

http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/index.cfm/product/2789/1700-gigant-future-boy-conan.cfm

(http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/images/products/Aoshima/AOS00432_01_2687.jpg)

Luft '46 material!

That's 2046, of course.
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Captain Canada on December 25, 2013, 06:56:31 am
It look asymmetric as well.....where's Tophe ?

 :tornado:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 25, 2013, 11:12:18 am
As Kit has mentioned, in the early days they experimented.  At one point IIRC they even developed a ski-ramp for land use utilising bridging components. 

In passing I've found out recently that that work was carried out right here in Lydney! Mabey and Johnson, the manufacturers of the current British Army and US Army bridging systems, did the work and there's a faded photo of the ramp on their walls, not 2 miles from my house. The thing was then re-built at RAE Bedford but I can't find out if it replaced the ski-jump that John Farley used or was in addition to it.
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Weaver on December 26, 2013, 03:43:46 am
It look asymmetric as well.....where's Tophe ?

 :tornado:

It's not asymetric:

(http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/images/products/Aoshima/AOS00432_04_2690.jpg)


My first thought was that you could make it into a more real world design with a real canopy and a T-tail for effective elevators, but now I look at it from this angle, I realise that the trailing edge is thick and square cut.

(http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/images/products/Aoshima/AOS00432_05_2691.jpg)
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Captain Canada on December 26, 2013, 01:01:39 pm
Ahh...the tips are folded down ! Neat stuff ! There were some giant aeroplanes like that in the Ace Combat series of games. Always neat to see, but too easy to shoot down  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: NARSES2 on December 27, 2013, 07:03:22 am
Cut the tail fin down, give it a T tail, a clear canopy, some gun positions and some pusher propellers and it's USSR 1930's secret long range bomber  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Mossie on December 27, 2013, 12:33:34 pm
Kalinin K-12bis :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: NARSES2 on December 28, 2013, 05:29:01 am
Kalinin K-12bis :thumbsup:

That's the type of thing Mossie  ;D
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 21, 2014, 07:41:43 am
I revive this thread because I stumbled across THIS thing:the "Gigant" from the anime Mirai Shonen Conan, a Hayao Miyazaki design.

(http://d2ev13g7cze5ka.cloudfront.net/aos/aos00432_0.jpg?v=1384751520)

It's 1/700, but still 25cm wingspan. Molded in dark gray plastic. Includes a display stand and a little Falco. Could make a great Captain America diorama over a sea scenery with a ship below?

Has some more potential, I think?

Found here: http://www.hlj.com/product/aos00432
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Captain Canada on February 21, 2014, 08:08:33 am
Wow...it's got landing gear too ! I'd hate to have to pay for a blown tyre on that thing !

Looks like it spits out a little Bristol Freighter as well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: pyro-manic on February 21, 2014, 11:45:47 am
See the previous page... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Captain Canada on February 21, 2014, 01:43:44 pm
D'oh !

Looks different in this post tho  :thumbsup:

 ;D
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: CANSO on June 09, 2014, 10:06:14 am
FALCO (remember the singer?) in 1/72 from Aoshima:
(http://d2ev13g7cze5ka.cloudfront.net/aos/aos00945_0.jpg?v=1401870296)
I don't particularly like the submarine type rivets in Warhammer 40000 style and the weak fan in the rear, but the model can be easily used for some kitbashing/whiffing.
More details here (http://www.hlj.com/product/aos00945).
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Old Wombat on June 10, 2014, 06:27:10 am
FALCO (remember the singer?) in 1/72 from Aoshima:

Yup! For an amusing moment this was all I could see, before the image loaded, & I was half expecting to see exactly what it said, whilst wondering why on God's green Earth someone would actually want to do such a bizarre thing.

Had a cassette of Einzelhaft wa-ay back when.
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Thorvic on August 23, 2016, 02:30:33 am
http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10410700 (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10410700)

It looks like Aoshima are replacing their rather poor 1/700 Illustrious class with a new tooling  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Captain Canada on August 23, 2016, 08:06:48 am
Cool. Looks like a good price as well !

 :wub:
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Green Dragon on August 23, 2016, 11:32:11 pm
They're doing a 1/72nd Kawasaki OH-1 scout helicopter soon. http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/image/10384132b2/30/2
Also several 1/72nd JGSDF truck kits including a Patriot hauler. http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10270929

Paul Harrison
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Weaver on December 04, 2018, 06:32:22 pm
Just noticed that Aoshima do these two splendid things. Hannants have very little Aoshima stuff, but SOME of the range (by no means all of it however) is available in the UK from Kent Models and Expo Drills & Tools.

(https://www.expotools.com/acatalog/01206.jpg)
https://www.expotools.com/acatalog/AOSHIMA-CHEMICAL-FIRE-PUMPER-TRUCK---SELF-PROPELLED-CANNON-01206.html#SID=35

(https://www.expotools.com/acatalog/01207.jpg)
https://www.expotools.com/acatalog/AOSHIMA-FIRE-LADDER-TRUCK-LADDER-EXTENDS--CAB-TILTS-01207.html#SID=35

Kent Models: https://www.kentmodels.co.uk/

Expo Drills & Tools: https://www.expotools.com/index.html

Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: zenrat on December 05, 2018, 01:14:35 am
Aoshima's 1/72 vehicles are nice little kits from my limited experience.  They seem to concentrate on home market stuff.
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Weaver on December 05, 2018, 05:00:07 am
There was a batch of the cute little Material Carrier vehicles in this country a while back. I decided not to buy one 'cos I wasn't flush with cash at the time, and have regretted it ever since. I had half a memory of buying one at a show either this year or last (after I got a job again) but there's none in my stash: maybe somebody else bought one and I just looked at it... :unsure:

(https://images.ecosia.org/cb1Ylmk7Xawm7erAE3x5Pxco5m0=/0x390/smart/http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs2.picclick.com%2Fd%2Fw1600%2Fpict%2F391331121985_%2FAoshima-07976-JGSDF-Material-Carrier-Vehicle-2-Vehicle.jpg)
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: chrisonord on December 05, 2018, 05:15:44 am
I have their patriot missile system in my stash, thew Japanese version, and it is a nice kit, I was thinking of swapping the tractor unit for my Modelcollect hemt, and deploying it to the U.S. marines.
That materials handler looks a great thing, I might have a look for one of those
Title: Re: Aoshima
Post by: Mossie on December 05, 2018, 07:27:48 am
Those fire engines look great, might have to consider those if I ever see any at a show.  I'm looking at the Material Carrier and thinking a missile launcher along the lines of the M752.