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Title: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 15, 2010, 12:37:04 pm
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Inspired by the NACA wind tunnel model photos of the XP-47A over on secretprojects, particularly those with the annular radiator, see here: http://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/File:NACA_25346.JPG

I know the R-2800 cowling isn't really long enough but it has the overall shape I was looking for (and was available  ;) ).

Definately gonna have to get me some more P-47s and cut their bottoms off!!!
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: The Wooksta! on December 15, 2010, 12:51:13 pm
Looks like a Japanese Raiden.  A captured one in Japanes markings next to a Raiden for comparative trials would look the biz!
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: jorel62 on December 15, 2010, 01:24:13 pm
I like it. May I?
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: Pablo1965 on December 15, 2010, 03:28:26 pm
Aerodynamic and very fine lines.  :thumbsup: :cheers: :bow:
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 16, 2010, 02:28:52 am
I like it. May I?

Please do!

This will be the first in a series. Defo want to try an annular V-1710 on the next one! The challenge will be making an inline fit the T-bolt's rotund frame.

It does look like a Raiden doesn't it?
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2010, 04:49:25 am
This will be the first in a series. Defo want to try an annular V-1710 on the next one! The challenge will be making an inline fit the T-bolt's rotund frame.

Didn't Republic do that?

The spikey nosed XP-47H used an in-line Chrysler V-16 engine, but it still had the fat belly of the standard aeroplane.
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: pyro-manic on December 16, 2010, 07:04:15 am
Isn't that needed because of the intakes for the enormous turbocharger?

Can't deny it looks very good though. :)
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: kitnut617 on December 16, 2010, 07:25:47 am
This will be the first in a series. Defo want to try an annular V-1710 on the next one! The challenge will be making an inline fit the T-bolt's rotund frame.

Didn't Republic do that?

The spikey nosed XP-47H used an in-line Chrysler V-16 engine, but it still had the fat belly of the standard aeroplane.


Bit of trivia, it was an inverted V-16, basically two V-8's with a space between them for the gearing to the propeller.  Also (so I've read) the originator to the famous 'Hemi' engines Chrysler put out for their muscle cars.

MPM's 1/72 kit below, if you can find one

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa263/kitnut617/Misc%20Photos/RepublicXp-47s009.jpg)
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 16, 2010, 10:35:20 am
^ Got one!  ;)

The H is a thing of beauty but what I really want is to replicate the look of the annular radiator cowling in the link in the original post. The R-2800 cowling doesn't look too bad but isn't quite right. Any suggestions?

http://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/File:NACA_25346.JPG
http://crgis.ndc.nasa.gov/historic/File:NACA_25317.JPG
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sotoolslinger on December 16, 2010, 11:08:37 am
Really nice shape you have going there Bob :wub: If your trying to get closer to the original shape seen in your links it looks like it needs around 3-4'(scale) fuselage extension in front of the wings behind the new cowling :blink:
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 16, 2010, 03:21:21 pm
The R-2800 cowling doesn't look too bad but isn't quite right. Any suggestions?

A little fatter at the rear and more sharply tapered toward the nose perhaps? The wind tunnel model has a more curved profile to the cowling I think.
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: Pablo1965 on December 16, 2010, 03:29:34 pm

And if did it carry multiblade Contrarotating propellers inside the fairing?
If you said so.... :thumbsup: :cheers:
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 17, 2010, 03:28:27 am
I think this one will stay as is with the R-2800. It will be a low-level optimised fighter-bomber (no need for the turbocharger that way).

For the annular one (off to ebay), I have a couple of candidate "conglomerations" of parts. It won't be exact, just reminiscent thereof. I'll post pics sometime this weekend to see which you guys think works best. If anyone comes up with a piece/part/something that might work in the meantime, please let me know.

Pablo, I'm planning one with a ducted spinner (is that what you mean by inside the fairing?). That will be a contra-prop if I can find enough identical propeller blades.

I'm on a bit of a Seversky/Republic kick at the moment.

Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: Pablo1965 on December 17, 2010, 02:59:18 pm

Pablo, I'm planning one with a ducted spinner (is that what you mean by inside the fairing?). That will be a contra-prop if I can find enough identical propeller blades.

Yes like the FW190 but with more blades, between the engine and the prop.

Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: John Howling Mouse on December 17, 2010, 06:12:03 pm
Funny we both like the concept of slimming down the venerable Jug:

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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v727/johnhowlingmouse/P-47%20Super%20Bolt/nice17cropCROPsm.jpg)
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 18, 2010, 12:33:12 pm
^ If mine are half that good, I'll be happy.  :bow:

Working on the annular engine now. It is going to use a collection of bits from a Fw-190D, a P-47 and a Fiat something.

Also, the ducted spinner Thunderbolt is on the way. Hope to post pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 19, 2010, 02:01:09 pm
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Sorry for the poor quality of the pics. Had no idea my room was so dark! The G.55 doesn't really fit here but I'm quite pleased with the look (the engine is a former water squirter). They'll all need some adjusting, filler, blending etc. but hopefully you'll see where I am going here.
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: Pablo1965 on December 19, 2010, 02:42:55 pm
The last photo are great, it's a good way to slim that.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: John Howling Mouse on December 24, 2010, 01:22:01 pm
Very innovative use of found objects.  Keep it coming.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: rickshaw on December 24, 2010, 04:30:30 pm
I like the ducted spinner.  Looks good.
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 26, 2010, 06:04:55 am
Thanks guys. I'm changing the extreme nose of the razorback from a Fw-190D one to a EE Lightning one. It's more in line with the look I'm after.
Title: Coming Along Nicely
Post by: sequoiaranger on December 26, 2010, 09:30:22 am
I can't wait to see it completed. Definitely a different look for the venerable P-47---more like an elongated P-35 without the deepening of the fuselage.
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: Gondor on December 26, 2010, 01:46:00 pm
I know for definite that there is an after market annular cowling for the Ta 152 H available in 1/72 if you don't have available any other source of parts for the radiator.

Gondor
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: Taiidantomcat on December 27, 2010, 07:59:35 am
Really cool series of pics. Between your and JHM's P-47 ideas I am ready to model a few myself  :wacko:
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sotoolslinger on December 28, 2010, 06:31:35 am
MMMMMM LOVE THAT LAST PIC :wub:
Title: Re: P-47A Slim-line T-bolt
Post by: sideshowbob9 on December 28, 2010, 09:43:24 am
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....more like an elongated P-35 without the deepening of the fuselage.

That was exactly what I was going for, an evolved P-35/-41/-43 look!

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LOVE THAT LAST PIC

I'm really happy with the way that one is turning out. I think I can just about squeeze a R-4360 into that nacelle but I'm also thinking about one of P&W's big H engines* with an annular radiator.

* H-3730?