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Title: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on February 28, 2010, 06:05:03 am
My story with the Marton X/V started in 2004, thanks to Narses2 (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,4080.0.html ), well concerning twin-boom push-pull peculiar machines, I have both a Marton RS 1/72 kit and a Fokker D.XXIII Pegasus 1/72 kit,. The Marton has been marvelously built by Stlava_Trudu (see http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,24457.0.html ), and the D.XXIII by PR19Kit (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,26648.15.html ), far better than I could have ever done. Well, I will not build them also as “in service”, nor in USAF or RAF colours: I have not room enough for them. I prefer a deeper craziness, the project of mine is a mix of both, the Martokker D.XV: a twin-pod twin-boom glider…
(the RS thermoformed canopy frightens me a little, but I will see).
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on February 28, 2010, 10:41:36 pm
to draw the 2 possible ways for my project, I needed dimensions. For the D.XXIII it was available everywhere on the Web, for the X/V I found it only in the kit instruction paper. So:
DXXIII Span x length : 11.5m x 10.2m, X/V : 11.8 x 10.2m
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on February 28, 2010, 11:29:30 pm
So, here are the 2 tiny-span ways I consider :blink: . Which one would you chose? :unsure:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on February 28, 2010, 11:30:58 pm
PS. (They are gliders, not airplanes with propellers to keep distant)
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 28, 2010, 11:58:26 pm
A!

It's by far the silliest........  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: TallEng on March 01, 2010, 01:44:08 am
I think "A" :cheers:
 and wouldn't it be much better than a glider if it had four engines? :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 01, 2010, 03:21:07 am
Well, I may consider letting two propellers, the one of the D.XXIII side, for many good reasons:
- this adds assymetry which I love
- the XXIII propellers/spinners are single parts (white metal) more easy to keep than to separate
- I prefer clean glider lines than complicated engine-propeller lines, and I prefer the X/V lines than the XXIII lines, so I may have a pleasant glider beautiful side, the rest being ugly, I like this difference a lot!
- I discard propellers to stand on the shelf without undercarriage, but the XXIII spinners are high and that is possible
So thanks a lot for this suggestion.
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Brian da Basher on March 01, 2010, 02:52:49 pm
Yes A definitely!
 :cheers:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 01, 2010, 08:10:21 pm
So the score of the match is: A 3 - B zero, so this will be a T-tail... ;D
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 02, 2010, 08:45:33 am
a little more advanced, with the first putty on the pods:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 02, 2010, 08:48:51 am
Here are the white-metal spinners-propellers that I will send to PR19_Kit. No need for him to send him his ones, I consider a putty-improved glider nose at last. ;D
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: PR19_Kit on March 02, 2010, 08:51:17 am
Tophe. you are a scholar and a gentleman, not to mention a RADICAL modeller!  :lol:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 02, 2010, 09:17:55 am
Here the updated project, with putty "improved" spinners 'my way...
(Kit, I am going to send you a PM for practical details/address)
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: John Howling Mouse on March 02, 2010, 06:37:12 pm
T-Tail!  T-Tail!   There's something about this I really like.  The pods remind me of Star Wars something-or-others.

Mind if I borrow some of the elements of your line dwg, Tophe?
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 02, 2010, 09:13:18 pm
Thanks JHM, I am glad ;D this heresy of mine is not insulting "how a balanced T-tail plane should be" >:(. Feel free to use the drawings if you need, these are public posts. :smiley:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: BlackOps on March 05, 2010, 07:09:03 pm
Tophe, good to see your creative juices are still flowing!  :thumbsup:
Here is another idea that you might like.

(http://home.pacbell.net/pjgoff/r_martokker_xv_c.jpg)

Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 05, 2010, 09:08:14 pm
"I might like"? No, I DO LOVE :wub: :wub:
Alas, building this is above my scratchbuilding abilities. But thanks for this drawing enrichment possibility! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Captain Canada on March 06, 2010, 06:01:51 am
Those are some neat ideas you have there, Tophe ! Great stuff !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 13, 2010, 11:39:31 am
She walks by on her way to be a model...
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on March 28, 2010, 03:58:11 am
The first putty and sanding has been performed, then... once again! as usual...
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 03, 2010, 10:37:55 am
Going on...
The poor connection between D-XXIII parts will require more work...
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 05, 2010, 08:22:41 am
This new TT-tail model is taking shape...
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 06, 2010, 07:00:24 am
(the RS thermoformed canopy frightens me a little, but I will see).
Now that's the point I am, alas. What a hell! (in French: "Pu-rée !") How to turn this into a canopy?! I don't even see where is the front and the rear... :huh: >:( :huh: :blink:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: sotoolslinger on April 06, 2010, 11:08:13 am
That is very coooooool :mellow: What scale is it I got lots o extra canopies laying around.
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Weaver on April 06, 2010, 01:43:15 pm
I just did my first vac-form canopy Tophe, so I know how you feel. The key is to go very slowly and in very small bites. Make you first cuts well away from the canopy frame and then work towards it. Stop when you are still a visible distance away from the frame, and then go to sanding. Sand a little, look, check-fit, sand a little, look, check-fit, etc, etc.... Do NOT lose patience and try to do too much in one bite! If you start to feel like that, put it down and walk away for a bit.
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 08, 2010, 05:55:15 am
That is very coooooool :mellow: What scale is it I got lots o extra canopies laying around.
Thanks! The scale is 1/72 but I don't think you should discard those canopies: I mean, my project is to paint it black, I don't need at all a clear canopy. If I fail in handling the thermoformed support, I will replace this with putty, simply, with a further step into whiffism... ;D
I just did my first vac-form canopy Tophe, so I know how you feel. The key is to go very slowly and in very small bites. Make you first cuts well away from the canopy frame and then work towards it. Stop when you are still a visible distance away from the frame, and then go to sanding. Sand a little, look, check-fit, sand a little, look, check-fit, etc, etc.... Do NOT lose patience and try to do too much in one bite! If you start to feel like that, put it down and walk away for a bit.
Thanks also! I will try to follow these advices, as much as my poor skills allow it. If I fail, I will replace this with putty, almost simply. Thanks again! ;D
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: BlackOps on April 08, 2010, 08:25:43 am
WOW! now it looks like it could be a high speed racing boat. Lookin' good Tophe  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 09, 2010, 09:34:04 am
Thanks, Black Ops, to find a 'reason'/explanation, other than my craziness...
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 11, 2010, 01:57:08 am
Midway between a boat and a plane, this is an Ekranoplane, at last...
(Finished, according to my poor standards, just for fun of building)
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 12, 2010, 09:47:44 am
That made me enrich also my P-38 fantasy gallery:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Brian da Basher on April 13, 2010, 01:21:37 pm
Oh yes! Looks like an air shark to me! Sneak up behind someone in this baby and they're sure to get out of the way!
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Taiidantomcat on April 13, 2010, 04:46:19 pm
Thats hot!  :wub:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: ChernayaAkula on April 15, 2010, 05:43:12 am
Oh, a Bespin Twin-Pod cloud car plane!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: sotoolslinger on April 15, 2010, 11:34:00 pm
Dang  :o I am definitely stealing this design  ;D
Title: Re: Martokker D.XV
Post by: Tophe on April 17, 2010, 12:19:05 am
Thanks for your supports ;D
The Marton has been marvelously built by Stlava_Trudu (see http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,24457.0.html ), and the D.XXIII by PR19Kit (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,26648.15.html ), far better than I could have ever done.
Yes, I was clearly unable to compete in the "as real" category, and I am glad my crazy way generated some smiles anyway... ;D