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Title: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Deino on March 18, 2004, 07:46:23 am
Have there been any Italian & Spanish pre-Eurofighter studies ???

I remember the German TKF-90 studies which led the JF-90 and final the EFA just before the final Eurofighter / Typhoon !!

Also there was written a lot about the British "history" which led to Typhoon: AST-403 - refined AST-403 - ECA - ACA - EPA .... !!!

... but I know nothing about any Italian & Spanish pre-Eurofighter studies ???

Thanks in advance, Deino   :D   ... once again "in his quest for projects-that-went-nowhere"  
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Tophe on March 18, 2004, 07:58:32 am
Dear Libellula, from Spain, will know for sure - at least I hope... My friend Paul from Belgium sent me this way, probably from Libellula his friend for years, an unknown Spanish twin-boom project (cargo), and I do agree : Spanish what-if airplanes deserve much more respect than what is found in usual books... I fear the Spanish forefathers of the Eurofighter will not include twin-boomers (the British ones did :wub: and thanks to Tony Buttler one more time :) ) , but that would be very interesting for sure. The galleries here of Deino/Overscan/Libellula are so wonderful, up to now, I hope there will be more. :)  
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Deino on March 18, 2004, 08:29:02 am
Dear Trophe ... I think this will maybe count as a "semi-twin-boom"  :wub:

It's from "aerospacetech" via Key-forum and shows an Aeritalia project !!!(http://forum.airforces.info/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22771)

Thanks, Deino   :rolleyes:  :)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: overscan on March 18, 2004, 08:35:14 am
Just to clear things up - aerospacetech = overscan = me ;)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Deino on March 18, 2004, 08:43:05 am
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Just to clear things up - aerospacetech = overscan = me ;)
Funny   :lol:  :P   ...  !!!!

Anyway thanks for Your pictures ....

Deino   :lol:  
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Tophe on March 19, 2004, 08:31:27 am
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Thanks, Deino   :rolleyes:  :)
You said it yourself before I do : Thanks Deino !!! (and thanks Overscan !!!)
Yes, I personally do count this (unknown to me  :) ) new one as "almost twin-boom" and I am happy! :)  (there are two-tail-booms at the rear for the fins, but the fuselage holding canard foreplanes in a tail-first layout make a total of 3 tail-booms, somehow...)

I have almost 30 Jane's All the World Aircraft yearbooks, and I can spend one hour checking if you direct me a little : something as Italy/1978-to-1989/Aeritalia + Spain/1978-to-1989/CASA. Please correct the dates and manufacturers and I can do that this week-end. Maybe there will be nothing, maybe there will be something, I don't know - you three wonderful enthusiasts provide so much more than what I have seen in books...
Thanks again :)

Oops, I was ready to post this when I said to myself : to illustrate the triplex-boom layout, show the Canard non-pushing P-38. I went on my Corel Draw collection of drawings, found it, but… Well, there were canard surfaces but the flap was at the rear, different from the true canard that you presented. SO, let us add the additional missing link to the What-if collection : Lockheed/Deino P-38DE! This is not “twin-boom enough”, but let us turn it into a flying-wing without foreplane and this is a genuine twin-boomer for me : Lockheed/Deino P-38DF, and you won, dear Deino, a free copy of my book to come, including it! You are not exactly the crazy designer of this P-38, but you made crazy-Tophe dream, and he must reward you… Send me your postal address by mail please.
Thanks again and again… :)  :)
 
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 17, 2007, 06:29:41 am
I have recently got a Revell Eurofighter 2000 (single seat) and it is a reboxing of Italeri's one. But I have read about a super Revell tooling :o  :unsure:

Are there two different issues? How can I distinguish them?

 :unsure:  :unsure:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on October 17, 2007, 06:58:10 am
The current release is kit number 4317: Revell site (http://www.revell.de/en/products/model_kits/model_kits/search_result/?id=203&KOKANR=01&KOSCHL=&KGSCHL=&L=1&page=1&sort=0&nc=&searchactive=&q=4317&SWO=&ARMAS4=&PHPSESSID=6ae063efa83b1bd038552286e28aebf5&KZSLPG=&offset=1&cmd=show&ARARTN=04317&sp=1). It's labeled 'Eurofighter Typhoon'. This is the one with all the latest weapons.

The previous release was number 4334:
seen on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.nl/REVELL-EUROFIGHTER-2000-1-72-1994-SINGLE-SEATER-04334_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ230163287560#ebayphotohosting) labeled 'Eurofighter 2000', this kit is from 1994.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on October 17, 2007, 08:28:39 am
The 4317 is really fabulous!! (moreover when I think that I buy it for only 14€ i.e. cheaper than a Hobbyboss 1/72 Tiger helicopter!!)

All the details are fantastics, it is far most accurate and you could buy it only for its weapon set if you want!
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: kitnut617 on October 17, 2007, 09:31:29 am
I've just had a look at the 4317 kit I've got and from memory of the Italeri single seat I have too, it's quite a bit different on how the parts look.  The owner of the LMS I go to, swears it's the best single seat in 1/72 you can buy and was the reason I bought it.  I've got the RoG twin seater too but I can't find it at the moment to give an opinion.

Robert
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Maverick on October 17, 2007, 02:56:40 pm
I got the new issue recently.  I have to concur with PD7.  The kit is brilliant and the weapons options are just too good.  Add a huge decal sheet and it's certainly something to give the tossers at Hasegawa a run for their money.

Mav
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on November 25, 2007, 08:45:35 am
According to a thread over on PPrune, the new Typhoons will be designated FGR.4s.  I was  wondering if/when there would be a change from F.2 to reflect the mud-moving role.

 
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on November 25, 2007, 08:55:53 am
What happened to the Mk.3 designation?  Is it purely to avoid confusion with the Tornado F.3, or have I missed something?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on November 25, 2007, 09:07:26 am
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What happened to the Mk.3 designation?  Is it purely to avoid confusion with the Tornado F.3, or have I missed something?
According to the thread on PPrune, the trainer version associated with the FGR.4 will be the T.3.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: nev on November 25, 2007, 09:11:57 am
Link?

Other than software, I wasn't aware that there was that much difference beteen the different Tranches.  Certainly not enough to justify a new designation.  Are all those already delivered going to be re-designated?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on November 25, 2007, 09:27:30 am
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Link?

Other than software, I wasn't aware that there was that much difference beteen the different Tranches.  Certainly not enough to justify a new designation.  Are all those already delivered going to be re-designated?
There's no link to anything official, just a thread.  Personally I always wondered why it only had an "F" designation since it has had a ground attack role all along.  It really should have been FGR.2 all along I think, with the capability growing to fill the roles as the hardware was cleared.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Daryl J. on November 25, 2007, 06:50:47 pm
Perhaps the Typhoon will go through as many variations as our F-17/F-18/A-18/F/A-18/E/A-18/Legacy/BiggerBug!   :party:


Daryl J.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on June 08, 2008, 08:20:22 am
Perhaps the Typhoon will go through as many variations as our F-17/F-18/A-18/F/A-18/E/A-18/Legacy/BiggerBug!
Or the just as confusing alphabet associated with the F-16.  If the normal protocols had been applied to each version of the F-16 we would be up around the L, M, N, version by now instead of the little procurement work-around they have been using to sneak these by congress as F-16C* and F-16D* models.

(*Insert letter of choice)

Has anyone considered modifying the Typhoon by removing the canards?  Or moving these features to a position behind the cockpit? 
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Archibald on June 11, 2008, 06:42:05 am
What about a "60's Typhoon" with Speys, red tops, bigger tail/canards, martels etc.
Oops, already done, it would be a SAAB Viggen !
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on June 11, 2008, 08:07:56 am
What about a "60's Typhoon" with Speys, red tops, bigger tail/canards, martels etc.
Oops, already done, it would be a SAAB Viggen !

Maybe along those lines, but with a conventional wing & horizontal tail instead? Would give a different look.  I think something along the lines of the MiG-29 might suit.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: dy031101 on June 11, 2008, 08:35:23 am
What about a "60's Typhoon" with Speys, red tops, bigger tail/canards, martels etc.

Now why don't we combine this with some exotic schemes being tried around that timeframe......

Like turbojet-ramjet combo (a la Nord Griffon)?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Archibald on June 14, 2008, 05:01:41 am
I see your point. Maybe Bloodhounds ramjets would help ? (but the Spey turbofans would have to be replaced by Avon or Olympus turbojets).

Why not an enlarged/60's Typhoon with TSR-2 engines and Concorde FBW ? Ooops, that's more or less the CF-105 Arrow...  ;D
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: dy031101 on June 23, 2008, 10:03:12 pm
Or maybe a Russian counterpart of centrifugal-flow-turbojet/ramjet combo-power 60's Typhoon in the event that axial flow turbojet development didn't go well until much later?

I heard that centrifugal flow compressors have an operating limit of Mach 1.3?  Does it mean that the trubojet would incur damage above that speed, or would going that fast merely render the turbojet inefficient?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 04, 2008, 12:33:16 am
Someone built a WHIF EFA Typhoon that had wing tip mounted missile launch rails and posted it here back when this forum was on the old server.  Or was that on another forum?  Anyway, I thought it was an excellent idea to free up the wing tips for weapons and put the equipment that was in the pods somewhere else on the fuselage.  Perhaps incorporated into the tail in a similar fashion to what you find on some versions of the F-16.

Has anyone found a good reference image or drawing that will show what the inboard stores pylons look like that will be mounted at station four and six?  I just finished reviewing 47 pages of images on a google search which produced only a couple of shots that show very little detail or the pylon is obscured by something. 

Hopefully the next batch of 48th scale Eurofighters from Revell will have the pylons included in the kit.  Perhaps some of the Brimstone ASM with the three round launcher adapter too! 
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on July 04, 2008, 01:05:42 am
I haven't found any, so I ended up taking a guess for my Luftwaffe Eurofighter.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on July 04, 2008, 03:07:18 am
I haven't found any, so I ended up taking a guess for my Luftwaffe Eurofighter.
Attached are most of what I found on line and could upload (size permitting) to the forum.  Contact me via my eMail address if you are interested in any of the other images I found on-line, always glad to share.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hman on August 19, 2008, 11:57:50 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2588022/MOD-in-talks-to-offload-Eurofighters-because-of-cash-crisis.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2588022/MOD-in-talks-to-offload-Eurofighters-because-of-cash-crisis.html)

If true will the same thing happen with Joint Strike Fighter...
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2008, 03:38:37 pm
G'day Gang,

Over on ARC, there's a new build of an RAF Typhoon FGR.4 which the builder informs is the latest designator for 'mud moving' capable Typhoons.

http://www.arcair.com/Gal9/8001-8100/gal8020-Typhoon-Buick/17.shtm

A few questions, however come up regarding this:

a) what happened to Mark 3?
b) do the RAF use the US type Paveway bomb?
c) since when is Paveway both GPS & laser guided? (seems a bit odd to have both)
d) the Lightenng II pod - is there a store station at the rear of the fuselage for it in the first place?

Info would be nice.  I'm a shade out of touch with all things RAF from a modern perspective.

Regards,

Mav
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on September 29, 2008, 04:34:32 pm
The Mark 3 is the T.3, the two-seat version of the latest model (Block 5). Previous marks were the T.1 and F.2.

The RAF uses the Paveway 3 and 4 IIRC - the Paveway 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paveway_IV) is the newest one, which has both laser and GPS/INS guidance options. The dual-mode seeker is to provide all-weather capability (the RAF had problems hitting targets with LGBs in Kosovo, due to bad weather - the GPS/INS seeker allows precision strikes when the laser designator cannot be used). I think the guidance kits are fitted to standard British GP bombs, rather than the low-drag Mk.8x series America uses. I believe the designator pod is usually mounted on the centreline station between the wheel wells, which can also be used for a drop tank.

Hope that's of some help. :)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2008, 04:50:35 pm
Much appreciated Pyro.

It seems he's used US based bombs rather than tagging the guidance kit onto Brit examples, but there you go I suppose.  I certainly wasn't aware of the dual mode idea, nor the problems over Kosovo.

I was aware that Typhoon could carry a centreline tank, but didn't think the mount was quite as far back as his model suggests.

Thanks once again.

Regards,

Mav
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Shasper on September 29, 2008, 08:16:25 pm
Yeah the dual-mode Paveways are in the EGBU-xx range, not sure if they're in use in the US or not.

Now you brits correct me if I'm wrong, but the T.3 has the IRST where the T.1s dont, correct?


Shas 8)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: AeroplaneDriver on September 29, 2008, 08:29:12 pm
I could almost swear I've seen a pic of a GR.9 in Afghanistan with US 500lb GBU12s, but then again I could be imagining it.  The RAF Reapers do use the GBU12.

Also, this page on the RAF site for the Paveway IV shows it on what appears to be a Mk82, similar to the GBU12. 

http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/paveway4.cfm (http://www.raf.mod.uk/equipment/paveway4.cfm)

Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on September 30, 2008, 06:33:45 am
Having looked at it a bit more, the Paveway IV seems to use the Mk.82 warhead, whereas the heavy Paveway III looks like it's on the British GP casing. As the IV is a new weapon, perhaps they've decided to switch over to the Mk82? AFAIK the US is not using the Paveway IV, as they are focussing on the SDB instead.

Shasper: Yes, the T.3 and FGR.4 are to the new Block 5 standard, which includes the PIRATE IR turret and ground attack capability. All previous aircraft will be updated to this standard as they undergo maintenance.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Nils on July 19, 2009, 02:23:23 pm
BUMP

i have found something very interesting.
this appears to be a plausibly feasable design for a carrier based version of the Typhoon  ;D

http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/285968-aircraft-carriers-may-use-typhoon.html#post3445721

and i quote

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In May 2001 Sir Robert Walmsley, Head of the Defence Procurement Agency, dismissed the possibility of a navalised Eurofighter pointing out that Typhoon was "not currently designed so that it could use a carrier. We could change the design but we would be faced with a huge piece of work. The materials would probably have to be changed in order to avoid corrosion; the weight of the undercarriage would have to be doubled to support carrier landing which would eat into the payload margin; and the wing roots would have to be strengthened in order to take the full inertia forces on landing. That sounds to me like a very substantial redesign. It is always possible, but it would cost a huge amount of money and it would certainly add very considerably to the cost of the aircraft.”

There had also been fears that the flight deck clearance of external weapons would be dangerously low for the robust nature of carrier launch and landing events, and that the canards would dangerously restrict the pilots view during high angle of attack carrier landings. These fears were dismissed after studies.

Walmsley’s conclusions were not shared by those who’d undertaken the studies, and the possibility of a navalised Typhoon re-emerged in late 2005, as a "Plan B" in the event of a JSF cancellation.

BAE engineers had concluded that navalising Typhoon appeared to be "practical and relatively inexpensive", and that navalising later RAF tranches "might be of interest". The view over the nose was not necessarily inadequate and there were a number of options for reducing sink rate. Of these only the increased angle of attack option would would require the addition of a pilot periscope or a higher seat position and higher canopy roofline.

The studies indicated a 340 kg weight increase for the STOBAR version, and 460 kg for the CTOL catapult launched variant.

STOBAR was considered preferable to CTOL, flight control system changes would be necessary to guarantee "precision landings" but there would be little change to structural layout, and there would certainly be no need for a major rework for the aircraft to survive arrested landings.

The Typhoon’s advanced flight-control system could be programmed to reduce the stresses of landing, particularly if integrated with a carrier-landing datalink. This would have a number of advantages. For instance, sudden pitching of the carrier deck would be recognised by the system, which would feed in last-second control corrections, ensuring that the aircraft landed within set limits. This would permit the airframe to be strengthened only as required for operations within those parameters.

Thrust vectoring, already being planned for the Typhoon, coupled with a high-lift wing design, could provide near-optimal short-takeoff-and-landing capabilities for a ‘Sea Typhoon.’ The use of a ski ramp would only enhance STOL performance.

As an alternative to JSF, it was claimed that Typhoon (N) would offer higher speed, range and payload, although it would be less stealthy. A Typhoon (N) would also have the advantage of considerable commonality with the 232 Eurofighter Typhoon's already planned for the RAF – if, indeed, the third Tranche was not completed in a Typhoon (N) configuration.

The UK was not the only potential customer for a navalised Typhoon, Eurofighter GmbH briefed the Italian Navy during 2000 about a low-cost, reduced weight, arrestor landing/angled deck variant of the while the company offered ‘another customer’ (probably India) a “more radically modified naval version of the aircraft”, presumably the STOBAR variant studied for the UK.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Jackonicko/1IncreasedAoA-Periscope.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Jackonicko/3PoddedMainucside.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Jackonicko/4Lengthenedoleo.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Jackonicko/5Noselegpullcatapault.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Jackonicko/6Fuselagepullcatapault2.jpg)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 07, 2009, 07:08:14 am
Hi Tophe,
Did you get any result from this search?
 :unsure: :smiley:
Thanks anyway :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Weaver on October 30, 2009, 08:13:53 am
Has anyone made kits of the Eurofighter "precursor" projects, such as the EAP demonstrator of the German TKF-90 proposal? I don't recall one of the former, but I have a half-memory that RoG might have done a speculative TKF-90 kit at some point in the early '80s?  :huh:

The reason I ask is that a discussion on another forum reminded me that, when the EAP was being built and flown, Germany wanted nothing to do with it for political reasons and it was very much a British-led initiative. There was serious talk at the time of Britain going it alone with a productionised EAP if Germany continued to vacillate: now that would make an interesting whiff, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: elmayerle on October 30, 2009, 12:02:12 pm
Pegasus made a limited-run kit of the EAP.  I've got a few for various purposes (one stock, one raspberry ripple, one "operational") but haven't built any yet (as best I know, all are in the southern most of my Texas stashes).  ISTR that Revell did a very early Eurofighter in the early 1990's that might be better used for whiffing.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on October 30, 2009, 02:38:42 pm
Yes, Revell did an early kit.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Weaver on October 30, 2009, 04:49:13 pm
Is this the one you're thinking of?

(http://www.toremmodellismo.it/images/MIEI%20KIT/AEREI/REVELL/125_2567.JPG)

Or is there an earlier one?

This one is still too "late" for what I had in mind. The earlier EAP had a cranked delta wing, Tornado tail, faired in canopy, rectangular intake, Tornado-style missile bays and different undercarriage. It might be possible to "de-evolve" a Eurofighter kit some way towards that, but it wouldn't be easy.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on October 30, 2009, 06:11:18 pm
That's the one, yes.

I'm sure you could bash an EAP together from a tornado kit, a Typhoon, and some scratchbuilt bits (wings mainly).
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Sauragnmon on November 01, 2009, 09:04:06 pm
Random thought - VG Wings on a Tiffy?  Would look pretty weird/interesting I think.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on November 02, 2009, 03:29:36 am
Regarding the EAP, Pegasus did a kit in 1/72 once upon a time.  Colin at Freightdog may get around to re-releasing it sometime?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: B777LR on November 02, 2009, 04:01:12 am
Yes, Revell did an early kit.

My second or third model ever was that kit. It wasn't a bad kit, rather good details.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Weaver on November 02, 2009, 04:44:19 am
Regarding the EAP, Pegasus did a kit in 1/72 once upon a time.  Colin at Freightdog may get around to re-releasing it sometime?

Found a picture of one made up, and it looked pretty rough, to be honest.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on November 02, 2009, 05:13:00 am
Yeah, that's the general impression I get from the web.  I vaguely remember some of the SIG guys saying that if Colin was to bring out the Pegasus EAP, it may be re-furbished or even re-done.  I blame the effect of beer killing brain cells when I was younger if my memories a bit off!
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on November 02, 2009, 09:35:25 am
I've got a Pegasus EAP in my Loft somewhere.

It's like all Pegasus kits really, accurate, but needing detail attention. It suffers from being made from lots of small parts, but that's because of the size of the moulds that Chris was limited to I guess. It does have a good plan, like all Pegasus kits, and some excellent decals, and you won't get THOSE anywhere else for sure.

Does anyone know where the real aircraft is now? It surely must be worthy of museum space somewhere. I never saw it all the times I worked up at Warton, and no-one knew either, or they said they didn't....... ;)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on November 02, 2009, 10:56:37 am
The EAP is at the Aeronautical and Automotive Engineering department of Loughborough University.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Nils on March 13, 2010, 09:17:23 am
BUMP:

speaking of EAP, did you know Gerry Anderson designed a Navalised version of that aircraft.
i recently spring cleaned my closet, and found my stash of (dutch translated) Thunderbirds comic books from 1994.
and look what i found in issue 11  ;D

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/thunderbirdstyphoon1800x600.jpg)

(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn292/Nilssteyaert/misc/thunderbirdsEAP800x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Shasper on February 09, 2011, 12:18:29 pm
Looks like the Sea Tiffie is making a comeback effort:

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/aero-india-naval-eurofighter-typhoon.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/aero-india-naval-eurofighter-typhoon.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on February 09, 2011, 12:51:43 pm
Interesting. Wish they had a view from underneath showing the new landing gear arrangement.

On the subject of the Typhoon, can anyone tell me what the intake at the base of the tail is for?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Gondor on February 09, 2011, 02:37:28 pm
Interesting. Wish they had a view from underneath showing the new landing gear arrangement.

On the subject of the Typhoon, can anyone tell me what the intake at the base of the tail is for?

I believe that it's for a heat exchanger, same as for the Tornado.

Gondor
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on February 09, 2011, 02:52:40 pm
Ahh, thanks. That's great - means I can move it. ;D
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: dy031101 on February 09, 2011, 04:11:39 pm
Its nose landing gear looks kind of like that of MiG-29K except for being single-wheeled.

And thrust-vectoring engines......  :cheers:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on February 10, 2011, 02:34:02 am
Hmmm, the design of the conformal tanks is a new as well, the ones I've seen previously are more or less standard drop tanks with the undersides shaped to fit.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: GTX on February 11, 2011, 10:08:57 am
Another picture:

(http://www.defense-aerospace.com/base/util/122438_1.jpg)

+ media release by Eurofighter GmbH

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Naval Typhoon: An Aircraft Carrier Version Under Development
   
(Source: Eurofighter GmbH; issued Feb. 9, 2011)
 
   The development of carrier aviation during the 20th century led to a dramatic paradigm shift in military capability. For the first time, navies had the ability to exert their influence far over the horizon – supporting land campaigns and allowing hostile fleets to be engaged from beyond the range of a battleship’s guns. From Pearl Harbour to more recent conflicts in the Falklands and the Middle East, the carrier and its aircraft provide commanders with an unrivalled ability to project military and political influence; several acres of sovereign territory which can be moved close to potential trouble spots at short notice.

Historically, carrier aircraft have been highly specialised and designed specifically for the role. In the majority of cases, there is little or no commonality between the aircraft operated by a nation’s air force, and the different aircraft performing the same role in the Navy. Design decisions taken in order to optimise an aircraft for carrier operations can lead to trade-offs elsewhere – such as additional weight and low-speed handling characteristics that compromise performance in other areas of the envelope.
A classic example today is the F-18 in all its versions, heavy, slow and not capable of facing the most advanced threats emerging around the world.

For a number of years, Eurofighter GmbH and its industrial partners have been studying the feasibility of adapting Eurofighter Typhoon for the naval role. These studies have included the assessment of required design changes, piloted simulations to refine the aircraft’s handling qualities and discussions with key suppliers. The studies indicate that these changes are feasible, and would lead to the development of a world-beating, carrier-based fighter aircraft.

READY FOR LAUNCH

Modern carrier aircraft typically take off with the use of a catapult that attaches to the nose gear. These catapults are expensive to procure, maintain and operate. Catapult launch also leads to a heavier aircraft as a result of the additional weight on the aircraft’s structure.

Typhoon is well known for its exceptional thrust-to-weight ratio which has been regularly demonstrated at air shows and in customer flight trials. It also allows the aircraft to take off from a carrier using a “ski-jump”. Detailed simulations have shown that the aircraft will be able to take off in this way with a full weapon and fuel load – providing a nation with a truly potent naval aviation capability.

LANDINGS

Clearly one of the major challenges for any carrier-based aircraft is the arrested landing. Carrier aircraft fly a steep approach path and are brought to a halt rapidly by the arrestor gear. This leads to much higher loads being generated than would be the case for a land-based aircraft. Navalised Typhoon tackles this problem in two ways.

1. The introduction of a thrust-vectored variant of the Eurojet EJ200 engine would allow for a reduction in the aircraft’s approach speed and the resulting landing loads. Thrust vectoring (Engines with TVN are already tested on bench) could be fully integrated into the Typhoon’s advanced Flight Control System (FCS), allowing the pilot to focus on flying the approach path while the FCS manages the engine nozzle position.

2. The basic design of Typhoon also works in its favour during an arrested landing. The aircraft’s structure is exceptionally strong, having been designed from the outset for the high dynamic loads associated with extreme air combat manoeuvring. This helps to minimise the structural changes required to enable carrier operations – usually seen as the biggest obstacle to developing a carrier-based variant of the aircraft.

SIMILARITIES

In any discussion of a navalised Typhoon, the differences from the land-based aircraft are the natural focus. However, one should also focus on the similarities. A key design driver for a navalised Typhoon has been to maximise commonality between the two variants. Design changes are minimised, allowing for many spare parts and test equipment to be shared across a customer’s air force and navy fleets. The sensors, systems and weapons available to both variants will be common, allowing for a reduction in the aircrew training requirements. And in addition, the two variants will benefit from a common upgrade path – new capabilities will be available to both the air force and navy in similar timescales.

The introduction of Thrust Vectoring potentially provides an additional boost to Typhoon’s capability. The ability to change the angle of the engines’ thrust will allow for a further enhancement in Typhoon’s already outstanding manoeuvrability, supercruise performances, fuel consumption and the handling of asymmetric weapon configuration.

When this is added to capabilities such as the Helmet Mounted Symbology System (HMSS), AESA radar and advanced air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles, the result is a truly world-beating multi-role aircraft. One that could also operate from an aircraft carrier.

NO COMPROMISE

Eurofighter has already discussed a navalised Typhoon with a number of potential customers and is keen to pursue this exciting new phase in Typhoon’s development. Naval aviation will undoubtedly continue to provide nations with a flexible option for projecting power over the coming years.

In an increasingly affordability-conscious world, commonality between a nation’s air force and naval aviation fleets will be of increasing importance. A navalised Typhoon can deliver this commonality, without compromising on capability.

-ends-

I would tend to take anything that comes out of AeroIndia with a fistful of salt though - in other words, expect this to stay in whiffland for some time to come.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Gondor on February 11, 2011, 10:43:37 am
I like the idea on an Indian Eurofighter though  :wub:

Gondor
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Nils on February 11, 2011, 11:34:52 am
Typhoon + CFT + Thrust Vectoring = WIN  ;D (+ stealth = EPIC WIN)

although i do have my doubts about the single wheeled nose wheel, a beefed up 2-wheel gear would be much better, if not safer  :mellow:
i remember doing a navalised typhoon in 1/144 a while ago, might do a new Indian Navy one, with the new revell kit as a basis  :mellow:
although i think the Harpoon ASM looks much better on the aircraft  :-\

EDIT:
with the F-35's ever increasing cost, would it not be atractive for the Royal Navy to buy at least a small number of Sea Typhoons as Carrier Air defence fighters and keep the F-35C for strike only (that is IF India buys into the naval typhoon idea)
but chances that a naval typhoon would be developed is in my eyes very little, if there are only a limited number of the aircraft needed (like less then 36) i dont think the product wont justify the developement cost.
Rafale and Superbug have a bigger chance of winning, as the aircraft are available in both land- and Sea-based variants.
if only Brazil had a requirement similar to India's  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on February 11, 2011, 01:24:48 pm
although i do have my doubts about the single wheeled nose wheel, a beefed up 2-wheel gear would be much better, if not safer  :mellow:

Never did the Harrier any harm, that single nosewheel has taken some seroius punishment through the years!  Looks like a similar arrangement.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: rickshaw on February 11, 2011, 04:04:13 pm
Mmmm, Indian Typhoon?  Monsoon!  ;)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Thorvic on February 12, 2011, 01:31:25 am

although i do have my doubts about the single wheeled nose wheel, a beefed up 2-wheel gear would be much better, if not safer  :mellow:
i remember doing a navalised typhoon in 1/144 a while ago, might do a new Indian Navy one, with the new revell kit as a basis  :mellow:
although i think the Harpoon ASM looks much better on the aircraft  :-\


Its the STOBAR design using a Skijump rather than a catapult launch, so just needs the beefier nose leg rather than the twin wheels to allow the catapult to be attached to it
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: SebastianP on February 15, 2011, 01:05:44 pm
That pic is kind of cool. Interesting adaptations they've made for naval use - new landing gear was pretty much a must, as was the tailhook, but the best part (to me) was the choice of weapons - RBS-15! Nice to see that under something other than a SAAB...

Now, seeing as I have a pair of unfinished Typhoons in pile, where could I source some decent landing gear and a hook from? :-)

Cheers,

SP
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Nils on February 15, 2011, 01:27:10 pm
maybe you can scavage some parts of a Rafale-M or Super Hornet  :mellow:

the Conformal Fuel tanks on the new naval typhoon look alot better then the original ones proposed for the Tranche 3  :mellow:

old CFT's

(http://i43.tinypic.com/2iravwx.jpg)

and the new CFT's (+Thrust vectoring nozzles) :mellow:

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2011/02/aero-india-naval-eurofighter-typhoon.html

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/TVKD5T41eJI/AAAAAAAAMhI/UETtRfxYLi4/s1600/DSC07265-748628.JPG)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: SebastianP on February 15, 2011, 01:49:37 pm
The tailhook maybe, since at least the Italeri Rafale has the fairing as an add-on piece rather than molded in. The nose gear is a completely different story - I have googled every aircraft I could think of, nothing looks like it matches. So the gear will have to be scratchbuilt, or the model built wheels up....

Cheers,

SP
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 15, 2011, 04:39:41 pm
Has the Sea Typhoon got four canards?

There's a small upper pair and then the normal lower pair too, although they may be smaller as well. There's also some sort of trim vane just in front of the CFT.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: rickshaw on February 15, 2011, 05:05:55 pm
Has the Sea Typhoon got four canards?

There's a small upper pair and then the normal lower pair too, although they may be smaller as well. There's also some sort of trim vane just in front of the CFT.

I clocked those as well.  My first response was some sort of aerial but they are rather large, aren't they?  Wonder if they are to improve controllability with the thrust vectoring?

Personally, I've always felt that the nose on the Typhoon was too short.  Now its starting to look positively cluttered!
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: kitnut617 on February 15, 2011, 05:12:11 pm
If you look at the link added by Nils and scroll down to the third picture, you'll see it's only on one side.  And it looks like an IR detector or something like that.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: ChernayaAkula on February 15, 2011, 06:30:40 pm
<...> And it looks like an IR detector or something like that.

It is.  :thumbsup: It's called PIRATE. HERE'S (http://www.selex-sas.com/EN/Common/files/SELEX_Galileo/Products/PIRATE_dsh.pdf) a .pdf by the manufacturer.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Nils on February 15, 2011, 11:31:52 pm
Has the Sea Typhoon got four canards?

There's a small upper pair and then the normal lower pair too, although they may be smaller as well. There's also some sort of trim vane just in front of the CFT.
the second pair of canards you see behind the notable front ons, are LERX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_edge_extension#Leading_edge_root_extensions_.28LERX.29) fins.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: rickshaw on February 16, 2011, 01:07:45 am
I think it is the angle that, that picture is taken at.  It accentuates the IRST fairing, which at other angles appears significantly smaller:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_o_no4M2xEPY/TVKD5Ck4f8I/AAAAAAAAMhA/LZTkQ481EKc/s400/DSC07264-747190.JPG)

In this one, you can just make out the lense at the front as well.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 16, 2011, 02:58:33 am
I'm tempted to suggest that we all volunteer en masse to BAe as model-makers! If that's meant to be a model of the PIRATE fairing the modeller needs to go back to 'Scratchbuilding #1' as it's nothing like the correct shape!

[JMN mode off]
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: kitnut617 on February 16, 2011, 06:46:03 am
Doesn't the Indian Airforce use Su-27's, I bet that's where the 'PIRATE' idea came from ---
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on February 16, 2011, 06:49:35 am
PIRATE has been around for far longer than this concept. It's been standard equipment since Tranche 1 Block 5.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: rickshaw on February 16, 2011, 03:42:37 pm
I'm tempted to suggest that we all volunteer en masse to BAe as model-makers! If that's meant to be a model of the PIRATE fairing the modeller needs to go back to 'Scratchbuilding #1' as it's nothing like the correct shape!

[JMN mode off]

I think that would come under the concept of "exploitation".  Most of us would forego pay if they just gave us access to their archives and the occasional rides in some aircraft/tank/ship they were working on.  ;)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Sauragnmon on February 17, 2011, 05:27:01 am
I have to chuckle at the fact that the thrust vectoring isn't properly displayed in the case of the Tiffie - if you look around, the Germans are working on the thrust vectoring, and they were going to put in a triple-actuator setup similar to the MBB X-31 but implemented in the feathers of the existing design.  The modeler just went for a simplified idea to portray it.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: norseman on February 19, 2011, 07:41:34 am
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3126/is_n607_v52/ai_n28685951/

Dasa were brought in for feasibility studies, TVC for the Typhoon is primarily a Spanish affair being funded by ITP and the Spanish government. I have seen a previous mockup in the flesh which looked pretty similar to that on the model in this thread.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on February 24, 2011, 03:41:09 am
The Eurofighter press release (http://www.eurofighter.com/media/news0/news-detail/article/press-release-eurofighter-naval-version-makes-debut-at-aero-india-2011.html) on the naval Typhoon includes a link to a cutaway drawing (http://www.eurofighter.com/fileadmin/web_data/Content_Images/news_pics/Naval_Typhoon_cutaway.pdf). This shows the proposed changes for the naval version.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Nils on February 24, 2011, 10:09:24 am
the Indian Naval proposal isnt the only new version, another version with the classic designed CFT's are being proposed to Middle Eastern customers (in this case Oman)

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/02/24/353561/pictures-eurofighter-reveals-typhoon-development-options-for-middle.html
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on February 24, 2011, 02:17:34 pm
Nice camo.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: GTX on March 12, 2011, 02:03:39 pm
Take one of these:

(http://members.quicknet.nl/lm.broers/picswar1/typh_da4.jpg)

Add weapons load from here:

(http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/tornado-gr1_8.jpg)

Get something like this:

(http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/eurofighter-suppress.jpg)

A Typhoon Wild Weasel!

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on March 13, 2011, 01:02:06 am
Done!

Typhoon ECR (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,19412.0.html)

(http://www.acme-engineering.nl/model/Typhoon-bottom.jpg)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: rickshaw on March 13, 2011, 01:23:47 am
What are the missiles on the triple racks?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Thorvic on March 13, 2011, 01:28:22 am
Probably Brimstone
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: GTX on March 15, 2011, 01:44:11 am
Done!

Typhoon ECR (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,19412.0.html)

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: JayBee on March 15, 2011, 02:03:59 am
Probably Brimstone
Nah! They are ALARM.
Brimstone is much smaller.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on March 15, 2011, 02:55:46 am
the missiles on the triple racks are indeed Brimstone. The larger ones on single pylons are 6x ALARM. The outer pylons have IRIS-T, the rear fuselage pylons have AMRAAM.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: JayBee on March 15, 2011, 03:00:53 am
Sorry, I was looking at the photo of the Tornado's.
I can not see the photo of your model, possibly because of the security in force on my computer here at work!

Jim
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: GTX on March 23, 2011, 01:25:31 am
Quick, while it is still a whiff ;)...It has been reported that Indonesia is interested in up to 24 Typhoons, possibly ex-RAF Tranche 1's.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on March 28, 2011, 09:29:33 am
Hah, will you be sending your Superbugs up to get in some DACT in case they do? :D
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: royabulgaf on May 30, 2011, 05:12:35 pm
I read the current Air International, and they seem to be tearing the Typhoon a new one, calling it a cold war dinosaur, a great interceptor but with little or no air to ground capability.  How accurate is this?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: dy031101 on May 30, 2011, 05:26:31 pm
I read the current Air International, and they seem to be tearing the Typhoon a new one, calling it a cold war dinosaur, a great interceptor but with little or no air to ground capability.  How accurate is this?

Even if the staged upgrade isn't to happen, don't the RAF have Tornadoes for that?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on May 30, 2011, 06:07:39 pm
The air-to-ground capability is currently being added to at least the RAF's fleet (and seems to work - Tiffies have dropped a fair few LGBs in Libya recently). The problem is that developing and implementing these capabilities costs money, and all concerned seem very, very reluctant to spend any money on weapons at the moment.

dy: Yes, but the Tonkas are due to be retired in the next few years (they are 30 years old, after all!). Typhoon was meant to replace the Tornado F3 and the Jaguar, with the Future Offensive Air System (FOAS) to replace the Tornado bomber fleet. FOAS quietly died, and the F-35 is now due to cover that requirement (as well as replacing the Harriers).
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: kitnut617 on May 31, 2011, 11:32:45 am
For this year I subscribed to Air-Britains News magazine, this comes out every month and provides all the latest news in the aviation world.  Since the January issue, I've noticed that it lists an ever increasing number of Typhoon FGR4's being supplied to the squadrons, those and T3's are all that seem to be the latest.  There is one in the April issue which is an F2 that has returned to Warton for upgrading to R2, now what is that ??
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on May 31, 2011, 01:50:59 pm
Recon version?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: kitnut617 on May 31, 2011, 02:26:52 pm
I did a google, and it turns out to be the code for the upgrade of all the earlier Block numbers, 1, 2, 2B etc. to Block 5 standard.  Would have been nice if it was a recon' though.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mossie on May 31, 2011, 02:31:10 pm
Yeah, not so much an RAF mark 'R.2' as Eurofighters R2 programme.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: GTX on July 01, 2011, 01:08:38 pm
What if Eurofighter decided to do to the Typhoon what Sukhoi did to the Su-27 to create the Su-32:

I give you the Eurofighter Bombfoon:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/EFBtop.jpg)

and for comparison, the standard Typhoon:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/standard20ef.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on July 01, 2011, 02:40:54 pm
I've got something very similar half-built. :thumbsup:

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21257.0.html
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: GTX on July 01, 2011, 03:26:33 pm
I've got something very similar half-built. :thumbsup:

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21257.0.html

Well, get onto it boy! ;D
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 22, 2012, 12:05:31 pm
Eurofighter with F-18 wings

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/ef2000_f18_01.jpg)

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/ef2000_f18_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Pellson on December 19, 2013, 04:52:37 am
Gentlemen.

Is anyone aware of a supplier of conformal fuel tanks for the current 1/72 revell kit? The future "arabic Typhoon" as seen below is is about the sexiest Tiffie out there, and while it certainly would be possible to match some leftover drop tank halves, more "fitted" equipment would obviously be nice..

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tOZPZ181K7g/Uo4uZtSA82I/AAAAAAAACOM/dgW6vRiiE_8/s1600/typhoon+2020.jpg)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Dizzyfugu on December 19, 2013, 05:33:34 am
Nice artwork (Sand/Brown suits the Tiffie well!).
I have seen the prototype, but I'd assume that it is simply too early for aftermarket kits or an OOB kit?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on December 19, 2013, 08:40:53 am
I think that once (if?) the conformal tanks become widespread in service, then there will at the very least be an aftermarket kit, but it's too early as yet.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Thorvic on December 19, 2013, 10:32:25 am
The first Tranche 3 aircraft has now flown at Warton and its got the fairings for the slipper tanks built into the airframer along with mounts ready for the new Radar as and when thats due for testing
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Sauragnmon on December 19, 2013, 02:05:02 pm
That arabic Tiffie isn't very far off, actually - there's a couple of the Arabian Peninsula nations that are buying the Tiffie.  The Saudis have their first birds, Oman has signed the deal, Bahrain and Qatar are considering the Tiffie.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on December 20, 2013, 12:40:11 pm
How much do you bet the RAF ones will have them re-fitted before much longer? It'd save on tanker time, which is all paid for now of course.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: eatthis on December 20, 2013, 03:49:44 pm
How much do you bet the RAF ones will have them re-fitted before much longer? It'd save on tanker time, which is all paid for now of course.

slightly off topic but what tankers do we actually have atm?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on December 20, 2013, 03:52:59 pm
Tristars and the Voyagers are now in service (or at least some of them are).

I'm not sure the RAF Tiffies will have the CFTs as a matter of course for normal QRA duties (except maybe 1435 Flight?). Any that get deployed anywhere overseas will probably have them, but the weight and drag penalties might not be desirable for "fighter" duties. Pure speculation on my part, of course...
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Thorvic on December 21, 2013, 02:12:56 am
Possibly use them for stand off strike missions when Storm Shadow gets cleared for use on them as the Tornado's phase out of service.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Pellson on December 21, 2013, 03:02:17 am
...but the weight and drag penalties might not be desirable for "fighter" duties...

Well - generally, the Tiffies always seem to fly with drop tanks as most fighter jets do. Leaving them off in favour of two "tits" on the back doesn't seem to increase neither weight nor drag, rather improving the latter somewhat. I guess.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: DarrenP on January 09, 2014, 08:49:08 am
what are the other weapons options for typhoon?

What are the Anti Radar Options, Anti ship options, etc
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: kitnut617 on January 09, 2014, 08:56:54 am
Tristars and the Voyagers are now in service (or at least some of them are).

I've read somewhere the Tristars will be gone by the end of the year ---
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on January 09, 2014, 09:30:19 am
what are the other weapons options for typhoon?

What are the Anti Radar Options, Anti ship options, etc

So far there aren't any. AFAIK Storm Shadow and Brimstone are due to be cleared in the near future for Tranche 3, but I don't know if ALARM is going to be cleared or if it'll be held over until Dave (F-35) comes into service. Anti-ship isn't on the cards, and hasn't been since the Maritime Strike Tornado GR.1B squadrons were retired - Sea Eagle was binned at that time. No reason why such a weapon (I would expect Harpoon to be the first choice) couldn't be cleared though, if the will was there... Of course LGBs and Brimstone have anti-ship capability, but they're not much use against first-tier warships.

I've read somewhere the Tristars will be gone by the end of the year ---

Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: DarrenP on January 09, 2014, 09:52:21 am
what about Germans & Italians?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Hobbes on January 10, 2014, 12:58:39 am


So far there aren't any. AFAIK Storm Shadow and Brimstone are due to be cleared in the near future for Tranche 3, but I don't know if ALARM is going to be cleared or if it'll be held over until Dave (F-35) comes into service.

ALARM may be retired instead: http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.nl/2012/05/replacing-alarm-fighting-in-hostile.html (http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.nl/2012/05/replacing-alarm-fighting-in-hostile.html)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 10, 2014, 01:53:30 am
until Dave (F-35) comes into service.

Why is an F-35 called 'Dave' please? I can't see a connection.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Mr.Creak on January 10, 2014, 02:25:28 am
until Dave (F-35) comes into service.

Why is an F-35 called 'Dave' please? I can't see a connection.
This thread: http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21727.0.html posts 14 & 16.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Sauragnmon on January 10, 2014, 03:00:39 am
Of course, with its A2G capacity, that just brings up a great little scene in my mind.  Picture if you will, a couple of ground pounders, pinned down by a heavily fortified enemy position.

Soldier A: "Holy hell, man, what the hell happened to our air support?!?"
Soldier B: "Dave's not here, Man..."
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 10, 2014, 04:32:09 am
until Dave (F-35) comes into service.

Why is an F-35 called 'Dave' please? I can't see a connection.
This thread: http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21727.0.html posts 14 & 16.

Ahah, thanks. I missed that one I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: pyro-manic on January 10, 2014, 04:46:17 am
Why is an F-35 called 'Dave' please? I can't see a connection.

Dull, unimpressive, uninspiring name. Just like the aircraft. :)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Rheged on January 10, 2014, 05:00:45 am
Why is an F-35 called 'Dave' please? I can't see a connection.

Dull, unimpressive, uninspiring name. Just like the aircraft. :)

The Fleet Air Arm  went through a phase of using seabird names for their aircraft----Fulmar, Gannet  etc.  To continue this pattern, how about the  BOOBY  (pink  or blue footed)?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Thorvic on January 10, 2014, 09:26:44 am
I suspect its comes from Trigger on 'Only fools and Horses' because he always called Rodney 'Dave' because he lo0oked like a Dave. One of the British service's biased forums coined the phrase for what was the JSF and set to become a dead common grey aircraft everybody used, much like the common name Dave  so they referred to the F-35 types as Dave A, Dave B and Dave C much like you would a bunch of mates and it appears to have snook into common usage  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 10, 2014, 10:39:59 am
..... and set to become a dead common grey aircraft everybody used....

I'm surprised they didn't apply it to the F-16 then, or would that have been a Brian?  ;D
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: eatthis on January 10, 2014, 12:52:45 pm
..... and set to become a dead common grey aircraft everybody used....

I'm surprised they didn't apply it to the F-16 then, or would that have been a Brian?  ;D

nah the 16 is more of a gaz i reckon  :lol:
c130 brian?
tornado would be a barry??
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Runway ? ... on January 10, 2014, 01:11:00 pm
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One of the British service's biased forums coined the phrase for what was the JSF and set to become a dead common grey aircraft everybody used, much like the common name Dave 

Yep, after much discussion pprune decided on Dave and it will be known as such until one earns an air to air kill.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 10, 2014, 03:36:44 pm
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One of the British service's biased forums coined the phrase for what was the JSF and set to become a dead common grey aircraft everybody used, much like the common name Dave 

Yep, after much discussion pprune decided on Dave and it will be known as such until one earns an air to air kill.

Huh!  :unsure:

Those PPrune guys have about as much tolerance for our kind of modelling as I have for football. Me, biased? You BET I am!
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Rheged on January 11, 2014, 04:42:26 am
[Those PPrune guys have about as much tolerance for our kind of modelling as I have for football. Me, biased? You BET I am!

Proper football----the 15 a side  RUGBY football variety?    Or the 13 a side heresy?   Or even the debased form played  when 22 over paid poseurs run about a lot and occasionally throw themselves to the ground with cries of (alleged) distress and  (supposed) agony?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on January 11, 2014, 04:45:29 am
[Those PPrune guys have about as much tolerance for our kind of modelling as I have for football. Me, biased? You BET I am!

Proper football----the 15 a side  RUGBY football variety?    Or the 13 a side heresy?   Or even the debased form played  when 22 over paid poseurs run about a lot and occasionally throw themselves to the ground with cries of (alleged) distress and  (supposed) agony?

Dunno, I can't tell t'other from which.

I've only ever seen one football match in my life, and that was on TV and Germany won, and I only played one game of rugby, the 15/side version, and ended up in hospital as I head-butted one of the goalposts, so that was that as far as I was concerned.
Title: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: McColm on March 12, 2014, 09:38:23 pm
It's hard to believe that the Eurofighter Typhoon is twenty years old. Now into Tranche 3 production phase for core partners Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK. Over 400 production aircraft and 331 in service. Export customers are Austria and Saudi Arabia.
Having entered service as a fighter aircraft and now a multirole asset in the ground attack role. Its main rival is the Dassault Rafael (Rafale) and Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet with the new addition of the JSF Lockheed Martin F-35.
Visible changes have been noted as attachment points above the rear fuselage to allow conformal fuel tanks to be installed.
Still no news on a maritime strike attack version.
BAE will complete the 12 aircraft for Oman for delivery in 2017.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Captain Canada on March 12, 2014, 10:02:09 pm
RCAF ?

Be nice if we'd drop the overpriced and single engine F-35  :thumbsup:

Would look great in camo at former bases in Germany, especially with the Bear growling these days !

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: McColm on March 13, 2014, 01:25:32 am
The marketing team won't sell the Typhoon to any country that has signed up for the F-35.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: McColm on June 01, 2014, 12:59:50 pm
Good news Captain Canada,
The Eurofighter sales team are on there way to persuade RCAF to ditch the F-18 Hornets and replace them with Typhoons.
Even if they leased them you still have a long wait until the F-35 reaches squadron numbers.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: DarrenP on June 04, 2014, 03:41:17 pm
would like to see RCAF, RNZAF and RAAF ones in the Commonwealth. Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, Belgian, Portuguese, Greek, Turkish, Polish, Hungarian, Cezch and Slovak in Europe
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on June 04, 2014, 03:52:55 pm
would like to see RCAF, RNZAF and RAAF ones in the Commonwealth. Norwegian, Danish, Dutch, Belgian, Portuguese, Greek, Turkish, Polish, Hungarian, Cezch and Slovak in Europe

So would BAe Systems' shareholders I bet.  ;D
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: rickshaw on June 04, 2014, 09:42:52 pm
I wonder, has anybody ever done a Eurofighter in French colours?   ;)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: alfavega on June 05, 2014, 03:56:00 pm
(http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Bavarian-Typhoon1.png)

http://theaviationist.com/2014/06/05/bavarian-tigers-special-colored-typhoon/
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Old Wombat on June 05, 2014, 05:59:04 pm
Bavarian Bronze Tigers! ;D

A bit dark for my tastes but a nice scheme, none-the-less. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: McColm on June 05, 2014, 06:36:03 pm
Metallic paint, great idea.
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Weaver on September 29, 2015, 01:11:44 pm
Interesting RUSI report on the Typhoon:

https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/WHR_1-15_Maximising_European_Combat_Air_Power.pdf
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Weaver on September 29, 2015, 01:13:19 pm
Mods, just a thought: shouldn't this thread be integrated with this one?

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,2683.new.html#new
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Captain Canada on September 29, 2015, 01:36:56 pm
Saved it and have only yet scanned through it, but it looks good. Especially the bits about the Russian and Chinese threats she may face.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: NARSES2 on September 30, 2015, 06:26:48 am
Mods, just a thought: shouldn't this thread be integrated with this one?

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,2683.new.html#new

Done. Thanks for pointing it out  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: ysi_maniac on December 09, 2017, 09:27:10 pm
Eurofighter Fulcrum. What config do you prefer?

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/EurofighterFulcrum.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/EurofighterFulcrum.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: rickshaw on February 07, 2019, 07:47:04 pm
Pictures of Typhoons with conformal fuel tanks:

(https://i1.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Typhoon-CFT-Al-Ain.jpg?resize=685%2C385&ssl=1)

(https://i2.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Typhoon-model-with-conformal-fuel-tanks-in-the-BAE-Systems-wind-tunnel-.jpg?resize=678%2C381&ssl=1]https://i2.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Typhoon-model-with-conformal-fuel-tanks-in-the-BAE-Systems-wind-tunnel-.jpg?resize=678%2C381&ssl=1)
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 08, 2019, 12:03:30 am
Eurofighter Fulcrum. What config do you prefer?

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/EurofighterFulcrum.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/EurofighterFulcrum.jpg.html)

That's something I have thought about, too (because I have a Eurofighter two-seater in the stash without a plan, was part of a cheap lot), with a "conventional" layout. I actually prefer the simpler, lower design without the canards, because it better changes the typical/familiar Eurofighter look.
Just wonder about the operator/origin? Russia? India or Pakistan might be plausible, too? A cheeky option could be North Korea (the first "indigenous" fighter, definitively with nuclear strik capability...), or alternatively China...?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: McColm on February 08, 2019, 02:18:18 am
A USNavy version or extend the nose wheel to make it  aircraft carrier friendly  :banghead:
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 08, 2019, 02:25:52 am

Pictures of Typhoons with conformal fuel tanks:

https://i2.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Typhoon-model-with-conformal-fuel-tanks-in-the-BAE-Systems-wind-tunnel-.jpg?resize=678%2C381&ssl=1 (https://i2.wp.com/theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Typhoon-model-with-conformal-fuel-tanks-in-the-BAE-Systems-wind-tunnel-.jpg?resize=678%2C381&ssl=1)


You'd think that tanks like that would go against all the intents of the Area Rule.

Actually a Typhoon ITSELF goes against the Area Rule, so has it been revoked?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: Jesse220 on February 08, 2019, 01:23:11 pm
Forward swept wing or stealthy Typhoon anyone?
Title: Re: Eurofighter Typhoon
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on February 09, 2019, 11:07:22 am

You'd think that tanks like that would go against all the intents of the Area Rule.

Actually a Typhoon ITSELF goes against the Area Rule, so has it been revoked?

Nope, they just learned how to use it more effectively.