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Title: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2009, 11:36:25 am
I had promised BdB my next built would be a twin-boomer with spats: and I had one waiting construction, the Martin-Baker Tankbuster (Unicraft Models 1/72, see 2 of them at http://www.unicraft.biz/uniphot.htm ). This is an unbuilt project so what-if enough in itself.
However, I faced 5 (little) problems…
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2009, 11:45:32 am
1/ As I am naively pacifist, I will not build a flying huge-gun :wacko:, my own will be a glider :lol:, twin-boom for beauty only, without weapon nose. And in my universe, there is no tank, just phantoms scaring naive people like me :blink:, and a flash of light :angry: is making them run away in darkness ;D… (the name will not be Tank killer nor Tank buster but Ghost buster, and even Forked Ghostbuster as it is twin-boom and present in my second Forked Ghosts book). <_<
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2009, 11:50:55 am
2/ As I have not room enough in my shelves, such a huge span is impossible to accept, so this will be a biplane, of half span – or a little more, asymmetric, with a short port wing below and a long port wing above.
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2009, 12:00:40 pm
3/ As I usually remove fragile undercarriage/legs to have models/birds standing on their belly, I was ready to discard spats <_<. But BdB’s memory cried painfully in my mind and I felt sorry :blink:, like having insulted him, spitted on his face. Shame on me :angry:. So, what to do? :unsure:
Well, the bird will rest on his belly, yes, and the spats will not be standing upwards exactly, but will be used as inter wings pylons, solid and aerodynamic, yes!

Why wheels between wings? :unsure:
Uh… :blink: they are not “wheels” with black rotating tires, no, just half-cylindrical sky-blue fixed devices, with a secret goal (related to electronics or something called “bipolar rad-arr”, but I don’t know more…).
 :unsure: ;D
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2009, 12:44:37 pm
4/ With the 2 half wings at different levels, there will be one boom above and one boom below. No problem, I love asymmetry, but… how to install the tailplane? Well, I must explain, the whole story of special tailplanes:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2009, 12:46:20 pm
5/ As I am very bad handling thermoformed tiny canopies, I will black paint a panoramic canopy. So here will be the result, to materialize in resin soon:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on October 31, 2009, 12:56:36 pm
Oh, I forgot: this will be a glider:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Brian da Basher on November 01, 2009, 10:02:57 am
You know I'm enjoying this one already, mon ami! I really like the idea of biplaning it!

Oh and about those spats...
 :wub: :wub: :wub:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: John Howling Mouse on November 01, 2009, 01:51:01 pm
This gives me an idea: what about a twin-boom airplane with a double set of stabilizers, one stacked slightly above and aft of the first one?
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Stargazer2006 on November 01, 2009, 02:29:10 pm
This is Tophe in top form, no doubt!!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 01, 2009, 09:17:01 pm
Stargazer, thanks for the cheers and the word-game Tophe-Top, while, uh… I do prefer humility (Jesus-way, Marx-way) than any pretension to reach the top (American-way pretended Christian, Soviet-way pretended Communist)…

JHM, your idea (if I have understood it) created this morning the JHM-38 A, B, C at the end of my P-38-fantasy site http://www.kristofmeunier.fr/#Sit , thanks! On the Martin-Baker -buster model, this (below) would require scratch abilities or a second kit. Interesting but I guess I will follow my way presented above.
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: pyro-manic on November 02, 2009, 07:51:36 pm
Tophe, you are a strange, strange person. In a good way. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 02, 2009, 08:11:45 pm
Pyro-manic, how to read your judgement? I remember at school our English teacher saying "strange" is a "false-friend" not meaning our French "étrange" (queer) but meaning "unknown". Like "Stranger in the night" ("un inconnu dans la nuit" in French: someone unknown walking in the night)... Well, with more than 4,000 posts here I guess I am no more unknown so what? I would like the meaning condemned by our teacher: queer, odd, incomprehensible... To go further in that direction, I add a reversed-T-tail MB ~buster, that could stabilize diffently my model on the shelf:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: pyro-manic on November 02, 2009, 10:21:29 pm
Yes, "odd" would be another way to put it. Unusual, weird, unique. :)
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: B777LR on November 03, 2009, 06:16:45 am
This one would be nice as a UAV. Possibly an orange/yellow/red/white SAR/Forrest fire detector/trafficjam detector aircraft :wub:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Stargazer2006 on November 03, 2009, 06:55:29 am
Tophe, I once was a English teacher myself, and I can tell you that "strange" lends itself to several interpretations. It can be synonymous with "weird, odd, bizarre, eerie" and in some rarer cases it does have the meaning of "alien" (as in "estranged" or "stranger").
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 03, 2009, 08:35:00 am
Thanks pyro-manic and stargazer for the complementary explanations. :smiley:
For the model colours, yes b787, many possibilities may be imagined, in different Real uses, but (my way of what-ifing is) I prefer a dreamy bird, sky blue for camouflage (in the sky) and to be featured by contrast in my wooden shelves (tree branch, not wooden airport...). ;D
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 08, 2009, 09:18:29 am
The parts are separated: the dream takes shape...
(the wings, at last, will probably be symmetrical, opposite up and down, and to add my touch of asymmetry, maybe the fuselage pod will not be central but slighty port)
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 14, 2009, 05:57:59 am
cutting, sanding, putty, sanding, putty, gluing... not finished yet.
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 14, 2009, 06:12:06 am
On the picture above, why 2 spats on one side and none near the tail? Well, I must explain my project has changed: the tailplane will not be high enough to install a spat under, so the third spat will be another inter-plane strut, and that is good for asymmetry, I will move the pod opposite, simply to increase this:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2009, 12:08:04 am
On her wat to be a model... :lol:
Has BdB, our spats expert, ever seen a spats layout like this? :huh: ;D
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Stargazer2006 on November 15, 2009, 12:38:34 am
Can't see the use for the two extra spats. It would make the aircraft heavier with no gain whatsoever in terms of stability...
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2009, 12:49:42 am
The use of these spats is "for beauty" only. This model will have no undercarriage below the low wing. And those parts are not heavy: less than 1 gram each (this is a shelf-model, creative object, not a scale-down flying-machine, designed to kill). ;D
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2009, 06:23:47 am
The idea has turned solid ;D :
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2009, 06:29:14 am
Unsound? Yes: asymmetric very much...
(The high wing is not horizontal: there were 2 short spats "for wings" and 1 long spat "for nose", that I have refused to equalize - this is good for asymmetry, so: one long pylon for port, 2 short pylons for starboard... "More crazy, you die")
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2009, 06:32:18 am
Same from rear.
There is no room for a propeller, and there is no propeller, this is an electronic glider project (that will never fly, except in dreams maybe)
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2009, 06:35:01 am
I have added the cooling devices, asymmetrically of course, they are very needed by this big amount of (secret) electronics...
Remaining: painting.
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: B777LR on November 15, 2009, 07:46:25 am
Twin-tail-semi-T-tail-L-tail-extra-Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-something-flying duplydoot :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Brian da Basher on November 15, 2009, 03:09:52 pm
Tres magnifique!!!! I believe you have crossed the line between What-If and Art, mon ami!
 :wub: :wub: :wub:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 15, 2009, 07:56:43 pm
Thanks B787 and BdB, to approve somehow my deep heresy... ;D
I think the word "art" is close to my "problem": in modern art, you know, some visitors say "this is awful", some others say "this is wonderful", most of them wisely prefer "this is, ahem... surprising..." ;D
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: B777LR on November 15, 2009, 10:57:21 pm
Looking at the spat placement, i think you have solved the star wars lifting device. Built in-spats! The spats have devine magic to them, and are thus lifted up over the ground due to their sheer awesomeness. By placing them inside the construction, the spats lift up the plane all by themselves! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Stargazer2006 on November 16, 2009, 12:49:18 am
Well, "art" is also a way to say that it's "something else"... certainly no longer an aircraft!
This is the main difference between us, Tophe... I go for the plausible, you go for the improbable!!
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on November 16, 2009, 03:23:07 am
You are all right, both of you. I do not build aircraft for this planet, I turn dreams solid somehow... Simply fantasy objects, like Star Wars models (or even worse...), yes... ;D
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on December 06, 2009, 07:20:16 am
Finished (according to my very low standards, sorry).
I'll show better when the paint is dry:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: B777LR on December 06, 2009, 07:43:01 am
What does it do?
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on December 06, 2009, 08:23:15 am
Here, it is standing on top of a white-spirit pot... ;D
But the final goal is elsewhere, of course, this model will stand on a wooden shelf, to please its manufacturer/modeller... ;D
For a scale 1 equivalent, I don't know - it is not military because I dislike war. As I said, it could be a ghost-buster, with its spats radiating to chase away the bad spirits, something like that. And this deserves for sure an unusual device, so special, with no classical way to be broken apart by the evil waves... >:( :wacko: ;D
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on December 07, 2009, 10:38:44 am
Here are the final views:
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Brian da Basher on December 07, 2009, 04:26:59 pm
This is one of your most imaginative and delightful works yet, Tophe!

It always makes me very happy to see your latest amazing project!
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Brian da Basher
Title: Re: Martin-Baker Forked-Ghostbuster (stairs-tail?)
Post by: Tophe on December 07, 2009, 08:19:30 pm
most imaginative and delightful
amazing
Thanks! That's how a friend find words to say "the most crazy and impossible, silly"... Thanks BdB, you are more comforting (more effective and cheaper) than their psychiatric pills... :blink: :rolleyes: ;D