What if

Hot Research Topics => Aircraft, Armor, Weapons and Ships by Topic => Topic started by: Archangel on December 02, 2007, 01:27:23 am

Title: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archangel on December 02, 2007, 01:27:23 am
Not to certain that a profile or two hasnt gone before but I was thinking of just how easy it would have been for theUnited States Air Force to have replaced the F-102 or even the F-106 with the AJ-37 Viggen. The advantage would be that like the Swedish Air Force the US could have their own aircraft operating from roads and such during an attack which probably would appeal to the Pentgon of the 60's and 70's. The weapons used would not even be a point of contention since the AJ-37 used falcons,sidewinders and their version of sparrows as well. It would probably be an easy whiff to do.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on December 02, 2007, 04:30:31 am
Almost goes without saying that it would look beautiful in the overall ADC grey with really bright (Michigan ANG ??) unit markings.

Ian
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: elmayerle on December 02, 2007, 04:46:11 am
Wouldn't the JA-37 make more sense than the AJ-37?  Go with the optimized fighter version.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archibald on December 02, 2007, 04:59:44 am
Quote
Wouldn't the JA-37 make more sense than the AJ-37?  Go with the optimized fighter version.
Good point - J meaning Jakt, Fighter  ;)  

Interesting idea! Add to this the fact that Viggen engine was a derivative of the DC-9 one, maybe airlines mecanicians could do the maintenance job ?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: elmayerle on December 02, 2007, 05:22:40 am
Well, the basic engine, possibly.  I rather doubt airline mechanics are used to dealing with afterburners.  Still, there is potential in that idea, esp. for Air Guard squadrons.

One thought for an evolved version, keep the same diameter and bypass ratio for the engine, but pick up the aerodynamics of the later, 200-series JT8Ds.
 
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archibald on December 02, 2007, 05:31:07 am
Quote
Well, the basic engine, possibly.  I rather doubt airline mechanics are used to dealing with afterburners.  Still, there is potential in that idea, esp. for Air Guard squadrons.
 
That' s the idea.
I can imagine an old mecanician, former Air Force employee now working for an airline, saying "Hmmm that's engine sounds familiar to me"  :lol:  

Another interesting thing is the Drakken - AIM-4 connection. Maybe these ADC Viggen could have this improved Falcon variant of the 70's ?
Or even better a Viggen with a pair of AIM-47 and a big nose  :wub:  

 
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Mossie on December 02, 2007, 05:35:33 am
I'd been thinking along similar lines some time ago for the Airfix 1/48 Viggen in the stash.  I was thinking more of a F-21 alternative, say for instance the US had trouble sourcing Kfir's.  I thought as a single engined delta it might prove attractive (I'm pretty sure the US was thinking of countering the Mirage when they bought the F-21) & as it wouldn't have been used as a weapons systems the Sweedish might have been willing to let it through their strict neutrality policies.

Slightly OT, but I did this 'Super-Viggen' re-work a little while ago for Carlos:
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/SaabSuperViggenwithspine.jpg)
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: retro_seventies on December 02, 2007, 07:14:15 am
Viggen at sea?

RN Viggen would be great - would have been able to operate from carriers without much trouble. (have you SEEN the sink rate on their landings? Built like TANKS i tell you).  

Other navies?  USN possible but doubtful, but Marines would be perfect.  French? Brazilian? RAN?


There's no denyng how great a RNZAF viggen  would look, and the same obviously goes for RAAF.  Marineflieger would look good too, as would Luftwaffe.

Would be an obvious choice for Finland too.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Zen on December 02, 2007, 08:32:13 am
Their sink rate is good, but have you seen how high the nose is for a short landing?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on December 02, 2007, 11:49:04 am
Quote
Viggen at sea?

Already underway - see here (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=12967&hl)   (I've decided to go with the name 'Cyclone' in RAN service.)

Also see here (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=12942&hl) (includes quite a few Viggen whiff profiles).

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: anthonyp on December 02, 2007, 01:29:15 pm
Quote
Viggen at sea?
I did one a long time ago

(muzak plays...)

Ah, here it is (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,5442.0)!

(http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5442.0;attach=3666;image)
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: retro_seventies on December 02, 2007, 02:14:18 pm
Good work both - i must confess though, along with thoughts of a COIN gannett and soviet naval aviation, a naval Viggen was one of my fondest ponderings on this forum.  Well, on the last one before the server move...

Wow.   When was that...2002?  2003?

Never built anything mind (no surprise, eh?)

Again, love your Viggen comrade. :wub:

 :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:  
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archangel on December 02, 2007, 02:34:02 pm
Quote
Wouldn't the JA-37 make more sense than the AJ-37?  Go with the optimized fighter version.
Sorry got my letters turned around.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Maverick on December 02, 2007, 04:46:44 pm
It's entry into service would have a great impact as to whether the JA was even available.  Australia's initial interest pre-F/A-18 would most likely preclude the JA's production and be centred around the AJ.

Mav
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archangel on December 02, 2007, 10:25:18 pm
Quote
Almost goes without saying that it would look beautiful in the overall ADC grey with really bright (Michigan ANG ??) unit markings.

Ian
The EW verson in SEA Camo for escorting F-105s up north during the Vietnam war could be easily done too.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: upnorth on December 02, 2007, 10:33:19 pm
I remember many years ago borrowing a library book about the Viggen (can't for the life of me recall the publisher) but there was a photo of a  model of a JASDF Viggen in there that looked pretty sharp. It was all over gloss grey like ADC types.

If I recall correctly, that book said that Japan was intended to be Saab's launch customer for an export Viggen until the embargo was put on its engine.

Don't know what truth there might have been to that, but the hinomarus certainly fit the Viggen nicely.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archangel on December 03, 2007, 02:13:19 pm
This version modifed with a built in laser range finder /designator in the nose instead of the photo recon gear would fill the role that the Jaguar does and would probably have been used had the Jag not gotten off the ground.

(http://www.modelairplaneinternational.com/images/Shows/eDay%202006/kbely_viggen.jpg)
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Arc3371 on December 03, 2007, 02:21:58 pm
That is the SH-37 maritime reconnaissance strike  
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Arc3371 on December 03, 2007, 02:46:37 pm
You are right, sorry
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: McGreig on December 03, 2007, 03:37:39 pm
Quote
I remember many years ago borrowing a library book about the Viggen (can't for the life of me recall the publisher) but there was a photo of a  model of a JASDF Viggen in there that looked pretty sharp. It was all over gloss grey like ADC types.

I've seen that photo - I think that it was in Robert Dorr's book in Ian Allan's "Modern Combat Aircraft" series. I can't remember exactly why it didn't happen but the Japanese sale was a serious proposal, and the Viggen did look smart in Japanese markings.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Ian the Kiwi Herder on December 10, 2007, 10:16:55 am
Just remembered.... I built one a couple of years ago..... Viggen GR2, 41 Sqn RAF in wraparound camo..... Dunno where the thread is..... hang on......ahh here it is ! (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=8448&hl=viggen)

Ian
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Daryl J. on December 10, 2007, 01:07:39 pm
Had the USAF gotten Viggens, we'd have had to check the road for jet traffic before proceeding.  :o    E. Montana was/is a low-level training area and has a population quite amenable to those circumstances.

Can just see this conversation at Randy's Restaurant in Plentywood, circa 1982:

Farmer Bob: "Hey Joe, I got Steved again today!"  :thumbsup:
Farmer Joe: "Y'did?"  :D
Farmer Bob: "Yep.  He'd landed his plane again on d'road an' blew over her flower pots.    This time he didn't stop for coffee.  D'ey must be pretty busy t'day."  ^_^
Farmer Joe:  "Ja.    (with pride) Us Scandahovian types build a pretty good rig."
 :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

Note: Steve Brekke grew up in NE Montana and then trained in his F-106 right over his own dad's farm and would routinely buzz tractors in the field.  It was known as "getting Steved."


A Viggen in New Blue or Grape Aggressor markings would be cool too.
Daryl J.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on December 10, 2007, 02:45:20 pm
i red somewhere that Viggen had previsions for two additionnal underwinged pylons.
Someone knows if it's true? If it is, where are they?

I'm asking thatbecause I'm planing to do a SEAD variant of the plane, and having two additional pylons could be very usefull, so I want to place them in the most realistic place!
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Maverick on December 10, 2007, 09:14:24 pm
PD, stores pylons for the Vigger are as follows:

Centreline - Drop Tank
Flanks
Inner Wing
Outer Wing

Whilst I haven't got the capacities handy, the outers were for either AAMs in the Sidewinder class or FFAR pods, inners had a much higher rating as evidenced by the RB 04.

When you look at the planform of the Viggen that's pretty much as maxed out as it will get, given the U/C location.

Regards,

Mav
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on December 11, 2007, 01:35:52 am
Well, speaking of Viggens, how's this for a cool picture:

(http://membres.lycos.fr/oliviersworld/images/avions/Viggen-pluie.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Maverick on December 11, 2007, 01:16:31 pm
Greg, can I assume the stores are those Mjolnir (?) dispenser jobbies??
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on December 12, 2007, 12:00:33 am
Yes, they are DWS-39 "Mjölner" gliding stand off submunition dispensers.

(http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/ljungbyhed96/bk90-1.jpg)
(http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/ljungbyhed96/bk90-2.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: upnorth on December 12, 2007, 11:56:18 am
Man what a gorgeous picture!

I think a Viggen from that angle had to be one  of the most intimidating and predatory looking jet fighters about.

It just had that "Go ahead and mess with me, I need the entertainment." look about it. It simply didn't look like anything you  could win against.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Mossie on December 12, 2007, 01:31:58 pm
That pic sums up the essence of the Cold War for me, tooled up jet in Northen Europe, cold & wet conditions.  It's what I always thought it'd be like if the Cold War had warmed up a bit.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archibald on December 15, 2007, 12:17:03 pm
Thank you mossie for this pic, it now figure in my computer  screen (can't remember the english word, is it desktop ?)
:cheers:  
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on December 15, 2007, 12:23:38 pm
Quote
Thank you mossie for this pic, it now figure in my computer screen (can't remember the english word, is it desktop ?)

You're welcome Archie!

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Archibald on December 16, 2007, 12:00:35 am
D'OH !!!!! :dum:  
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Mossie on December 16, 2007, 06:09:50 am
You're welcome Archie!!!!!

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Yep, desktop is right & wallpaper for the actual background picture.

EDIT, makes a change, at work I normally get credit for other peoples feck-ups! <_<  <_<  <_<
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on December 22, 2007, 12:55:29 pm
Well, its not a Viggen, though you could convert one into it -  this 1972 Dornier fighter concept was on Secret Projects:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/dv.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: imatt88 on January 07, 2008, 05:31:28 pm


 Actually, I was thinking of an Swedish F-106 in a Viggen-style Splinter scheme.... ;D


                        Cheers,  Ian
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Daryl J. on January 07, 2008, 06:49:37 pm
How about No. 74 Squadron?   
VFA-103 Diamondbacks?
JSDF Aggressor Viggen?



Daryl J.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: elmayerle on January 07, 2008, 10:20:59 pm
How about an advanced Viggen with the RM8 replaced by two RM12s and more effective canards?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: elmayerle on January 08, 2008, 09:45:59 am
How about an advanced Viggen with the RM8 replaced by two RM12s and more effective canards?
An enlarged, twin engined, twin seat Viggen is an idea I've had in mind for a long time. I'm thinking more towards the 1960's though, with a much bigger plane, with twin RM8's as a Swedish TSR-2 type, but using the Viggen's configuration. This could be in line with the abandoned A.36 nuclear bomber project.

Hmm, use wings, inlets, and canards from a 1/48 Viggen with two 1/72 Viggen aft fuselages and a mix of bits from all three kits?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on January 08, 2008, 10:13:49 am
Do I ever talk about my idea of a SEAD/DEAD Viggen??

They were so much vaiant of the plane, what about a new one with HARM/ALARM missile ability, radar replaced by a jammer or electronic suite and of course, twin seater??
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Mossie on January 08, 2008, 10:33:17 am
That's a good idea Pollux.  ALARM is probably the more likley with Swedens good relationship with the British arms industry, probably liscence built to retain some level of neutrality.

Rant Mode: On

It amazes me that the politicians let Armed Forces get away with the DEAD term.  Not so long back, militaries stopped calling missions 'Search & Destroy' in favour of 'Armed Recconisance'.  "It's alright, you can carry on doing the nasty thing, as long it doesn't sound nasty" :angry:.  Bet it's just a matter of time before the term is dropped.

Rant Mode: Off
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on January 08, 2008, 11:12:26 pm
Great idea for a SEAD Viggen!

How about a dedicated jamming bird (probably based upon the 2 seat SK 37) with lots of jamming pods underneath?  I know 10 SK 37s were converted into SK 37E electronic warfare trainers, but what about a truly operational A 37E?

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: elmayerle on January 09, 2008, 12:17:38 am
Great idea for a SEAD Viggen!

How about a dedicated jamming bird (probably based upon the 2 seat SK 37) with lots of jamming pods underneath?  I know 10 SK 37s were converted into SK 37E electronic warfare trainers, but what about a truly operational A 37E?

For the A37E, how about one centerline drop tank, the equivalent of two AN/ALQ-99 pods, plus a mix of self-defense missiles (two IR AAMs and two ALARMs - alternatively, if the air-to-air threat isn't there, four ALARMs) on the other four hardpoints?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Howard of Effingham on March 27, 2008, 05:10:48 am
hmm, i am building a matchbox Sk37 viggen at the mo' and was wondering what markings to put it in.  :huh:

i can only find a reference from martin h's what-if notes to possible RAAF use, which isn't much use as i don't
have enough RAAF roundels to do it. so i was thinking of KLu / Dutch AF markings as a two seat air defence a/c.

would that work? it would have two AIM-9, two AIM-7, a centerline droptank and perhaps an ECM pod. the
scheme would be the same colors that the KLu F-16's used when they entered service.

trevor
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Thorvic on March 27, 2008, 05:33:00 am
Trev

See if they have a copy of the Ian Allen's Modern Combat Aircraft: SAAB Viggen. Like the Nimrod one i used for the Nimrod exports the Viggen volume also mentions the possible export options.

AFAIR The Viggen was touted as a Starfighter replacement along with the Mirage F-1 and F-16. JASDF was also mentioned along with the RAF, cant remember which others however

Cheers

Geoff
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on March 27, 2008, 05:36:58 am
Hi Trevor!

Here are some alternative customers for the Viggen (with Australia too):

-The Viggen was considered by the JASDF but it was rejected for political and operationnal (lack of range) reasons.
-Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway also considered the Viggen for the Deal of the Century, so the Dutch AF markings just make sense.
-The Viggen was also a contender in the Indian purchase where the Jaguar finally won (the Viggen was out because the US didn't want to export the engine anymore).
-Austria thought about buying the Viggen twice: first when they finally bought the Draken (the Viggen was considered as too "agressive" for a self defense force, due to some political tensions with USSR), second time when they had to replace the Draken (second-hand Viggen and second-hand or new-build Gripen lost against the Typhoon)

We can also imagine that it the Viggen won the Deal of the Century, maybe Italia could buy or rent some second-hand aircrafts instead of F-16.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Howard of Effingham on March 28, 2008, 02:18:15 am
thanks PD7.

i will now have to see if the KLu markings i hope to use will fit.

trevor
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on March 28, 2008, 12:02:58 pm
Have a look here (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,12942.0/) too - some profiles already done for inspiration.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on December 26, 2008, 11:16:00 am
Something I just stumbled across - The "Snabel-Viggen".  Saab was seeking collaboration with MBB (who eventually did the X-31) in building a test aircraft from the Viggen in order to test high AoA performance. The Viggen was supposed to be fitted with vectored thrust, down sloping intakes and fully moveable canards.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/robban75/snabelviggen4.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ChernayaAkula on December 26, 2008, 12:56:10 pm
:wub: Where's that pic from? Has a comic book look to it...
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on October 31, 2009, 11:57:20 pm
Hi folks,

Something I just found in a book detailing the history of Saab-Scania.  The proposed Saab Supersonic Executive jet (SSE):

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/ca15/SaabSSE.jpg)

No other data I'm afraid, though the SSE obviously has Viggen heritage and there was a mention that an American company (which?) did make enquiries for a modified version of the Viggen capable of flying 6 - 8 passengers at Mach 2.  Unfortunately, the proposal proved too expensive and was not progressed with.  Perhaps this is that proposal?

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ElectrikBlue on November 01, 2009, 03:48:48 am
Wow... Amazing project, thanks for sharing!  :wub:
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: famvburg on November 01, 2009, 07:17:43 am

       Back in the early '70s when the GI Joe Adventure Team action figure line came out, one set was a pilot with parachute called "Fantastic Freefall Adventure". While no airplane was included, pictured on the boxart was a gray USAF SAAB Viggen, which he had bailed out of. The sets also cam with small comics & the a/c shown in the comics looked a lot like a swept wing AVRO CF-100 with an F-15ish forward fuselage. No Viggen in the comic, just on the box.


Almost goes without saying that it would look beautiful in the overall ADC grey with really bright (Michigan ANG ??) unit markings.

Ian
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ysi_maniac on November 01, 2009, 08:56:25 am
Hi GTX,
The last two pics you have posted are so inspiring  :thumbsup:
Thanks for post them!
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: norseman on January 24, 2010, 01:24:40 pm
Sorry to restart an old thread but this is my favourite all time aircraft. Not mentioned here but the original engine mooted for the Viggen was a RR Medway variant giving 22,000lb dry and 30,000lb+ reheat. Unfortunately this was canned and left Saab having to find an alternative which they did but RR did shoot itself in the foot a lot. Would have been nice along with the tentative project to fit RB.106's into the Drakens.
A fag packet discussion was taken in the 80's as well with talk of re-enginning Viggens with straight through re-heat versions of the RB.422 giving 32-33,000lb dry and over 48,000lb reheat (VTOL PCB version in initial version was already pitched at 44,600lb thrust). This never got beyond informal assesment and then it all fell apart with the cancellation of the P.1214/1216 and the RB.422 family which was a real pity as this engine was basically doing what the F.135/136 are doing now. With an engine like this it opens a whole extra range of what if versions, thinking especially 2 seat strike or long range competitor to Tornado ADV and F15.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: KJ_Lesnick on January 26, 2010, 06:02:42 pm
Why didn't the Swedish make any use of flush-mounts on the Draken, Viggen, and Gripen?

KJ Lesnick
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on January 27, 2010, 01:34:33 am
Don't know - maybe ask Saab...

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Weaver on January 27, 2010, 04:13:31 am
Why didn't the Swedish make any use of flush-mounts on the Draken, Viggen, and Gripen?

KJ Lesnick

You mean like the semi-recessed Sparrows on F-4s, F-14s etc?

My guess would be:

Draken: chosen weapons were Falcons with long-chord wings which are not exactly suitable for a recessed mounting. They could be mounted on mini-Phoenix-style pallets, but then most of the available surfaces are bits of the wing, so they'd screw up the airflow more than a thing pylon. Sidewinders need to see the target, so they're not really suitable for flush-mounting until they and the avionics get sophisticated to "pre-point" them. It's also a pretty small aircraft, so even the volume of a few missile troughs would have an impact.

Viggen: the aircraft certainly looks like it could take Skyflash troughs at the wing/fuelage junction doesn't it? However, the aircraft was developed as a ground attack aircraft first (AJ.37), so carrying a wide variety of bombs, rockets and ASMs probably got a higher priority than minimising drag. The interceptor version (JA.37) was developed from it later, and the only airframe changes that seem to have been allowed were "bolt on" ones. you may wonder how the Tornado, which went through the same transition, managed to get semi-recessed Skyflashes, but in that case, the UK was "lucky" in that all the major airframe changes were confined to the front fuselage, which we built, so we could do a UK-only "special" without disrupting the main program. Note that the Tornado's rear Skyflashes are not recessed: they just sit on the outside of the German centre-fuselage, in positions where their fin pockets can be shoe-horned in-between exisiting equipment.

Gripen: again, it's a small aircraft and volume matters. They may also have been considering the fact that the choice of weapons wasn't certain at the time the design was fixed: Meteor (and it's paper predecessors) wouldn't fit in the same trough as an AMRAAM, and there isn't room for Typhoon-style fuselage corner pylons. In fact, one suspects that this consideration (i.e. weapon uncertainty) may have influenced the change from the EAP's Tornado F.3-style missile troughs to the Typhoon's F-15-style corner mounts.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ChernayaAkula on January 27, 2010, 06:53:23 am
<...>the UK was "lucky" in that all the major airframe changes were confined to the front fuselage, which we built, so we could do a UK-only "special" without disrupting the main program. Note that the Tornado's rear Skyflashes are not recessed: they just sit on the outside of the German centre-fuselage, in positions where their fin pockets can be shoe-horned in-between exisiting equipment.

Most interesting!  :o I always wondered why the rear pair sit the way they do.

<...> Meteor (and it's paper predecessors) wouldn't fit in the same trough as an AMRAAM,<...>

I may be wrong, but wasn't one of the Meteor's requirements to fit in the Typhoon's AMRAAM troughs? Or was that requirement added later to avoid expensive refits to the Typhoon fleet and to fit in the weapons bays of the (British) F-35s?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: KJ_Lesnick on January 27, 2010, 11:01:13 pm
Weaver,

So it had nothing to do with the requirement that the plane could be armed in ten minutes with with conscripts who have little training?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Weaver on January 28, 2010, 01:01:22 am
Weaver,

So it had nothing to do with the requirement that the plane could be armed in ten minutes with with conscripts who have little training?

Don't see why it's significantly harder to load a Sparrow onto a Phantom than a Viggen to be honest, and it's something you could train any reasonbly competent group of people to do in a reasonable time....
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: DarrenP on January 28, 2010, 03:31:54 am
Would have been interesting if the Viggen had beaten the F16 & F1 Mirage for the Danish, Norwegian,Belgian and Dutch F104 replacement could have produced some interesting variations and colour schemes. Would also have been nice to see it in Austrian markings as well
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on January 29, 2010, 01:59:29 am
Would have been interesting if the Viggen had beaten the F16 & F1 Mirage for the Danish, Norwegian,Belgian and Dutch F104 replacement could have produced some interesting variations and colour schemes. Would also have been nice to see it in Austrian markings as well

What, like these?

(http://www.madoc.us/pictures/profiles/jps/viggen_denmark94.jpg)
(http://www.madoc.us/pictures/profiles/jps/viggen_austria93.jpg)
(http://www.madoc.us/pictures/profiles/jps/viggen_norway94.jpg)

and just for good measure, this:

(http://www.madoc.us/pictures/profiles/jps/viggen_switzerland95.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on January 29, 2010, 02:40:18 am
A different sort of two seat Viggen:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Viggentandem.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2010, 03:26:47 am
Nice one GTX: that stretched twin-stick Viggen's certainly prettier than the real one, and would carry more fuel too. It would probably need more fin area too though: how about a MiG-23-style folding ventral fin?
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: pyro-manic on January 29, 2010, 05:25:03 am
That's the big issue I have with the Viggen and Draken  - they're a bit too short and fat in profile. That does make it look much better. For additional fin area, what about a Phantom fin? That would look pretty good.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Weaver on January 29, 2010, 06:25:06 am
OR increase the fin chord by moving the trailing edge backwards, so that the new rudder hinge line is about where it's trailing edge is now.

Re the profile, yes the Viggen's short and fat, but on the other hand, I think that gives it a very pugnacious look. Honda used to describe some of their bike fuel tanks as having a "clenched fist" profile and to me, the Viggen's muscular lumps and bumps have something of the same quality.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Mossie on January 29, 2010, 07:10:04 am
The Airfix Viggen might be a good place to start for a more streamlined Viggen, it was based on the prototype & has no hump in the spine.

Have a look at the 'Super Viggen' I posted on page 1, that's a touch more sleek too.
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on May 22, 2010, 09:10:50 pm
Folks,

Is the Airfix (ESCI) Saab JA-37 Viggen the only game in town when it comes to 1/48?

regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ChernayaAkula on May 22, 2010, 09:24:21 pm
'fraid it is. (http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m309/ChernayaAkula/Emoticons/crying.gif)

What wouldn't I give for an accurate Viggen done by Hasegawa or the likes (and subsequent scale-downs to 1/72, of course)? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: pyro-manic on May 23, 2010, 11:33:07 am
Well, Hasegawa did the Draken recently, so there is a possibility. Expensive though...
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ChernayaAkula on October 16, 2010, 10:36:09 pm
Found some interesting pics! Viggen with AMRAAMs!  :wacko:

Never knew they flew with these. Always thought they'd wait for the Gripen to introduce AMRAAM and keep the Viggens equipped with Sky Flash until phase-out.

(http://hem.bredband.net/darkwand/Ja37D_1.jpg)

(http://hem.bredband.net/darkwand/Ja37D_2.jpg)

http://www.defence.co.kr/weaponbook/weapon/viggen/ja376.jpg
http://www.defence.co.kr/weaponbook/weapon/viggen/ja379.jpg
http://www.defence.co.kr/weaponbook/imgsrc13/ja378.htm
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Weaver on October 17, 2010, 05:36:27 am
Yeah that was the last upgrade: JAS-37. :thumbsup:

Note that whatever's in that ECM pod is apparently more important than a fourth AMRAAM.... :wacko:
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: retro_seventies on October 18, 2010, 12:09:15 pm
Hey famvburg:  This one?  :wub:

(http://www.oldjoes.com/images/items/newgallery/fantasticfreefall-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: famvburg on October 19, 2010, 06:17:11 am

      Hmm. I may have remembered wrong, seeing that this box is for the short lived "Adventures of" line, between the regular GI Joe & AT. I think they used that same box art for the AT Fantastic Free Fall tho. I wonder if that box art is why the Viggen's stuck in my mind all these years...... 



Hey famvburg:  This one?  :wub:

(http://www.oldjoes.com/images/items/newgallery/fantasticfreefall-lg.jpg)
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: LAVI on November 12, 2010, 05:36:56 pm
Love what the Swiss Viggen would have looked like.  How about an Israeli or Singapore profile? 

Darrell
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: GTX on November 12, 2010, 08:59:06 pm
Already done by Bladerunner (see his other work here (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,23675.0.html))

(http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss337/ScaleWorx/Viggen-IAF.jpg)

I can't recall if anyone has done one in Singaporean colours.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: LAVI on November 15, 2010, 10:41:45 pm
That is really great work, thanks.

Darrell
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Weaver on February 13, 2019, 08:10:55 pm
An artist called Scorchi0 has posted a whole gallery of alternative Viggen schemes on DeviantArt.

Check them out here: https://www.deviantart.com/scorchi0/gallery/28238446/Viggens
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ysi_maniac on August 11, 2019, 04:21:52 pm
My proposal for a Saab tactical/nuclear bomber that could be used as a fighter.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-fighter-attack-projects.683/post-5417 (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/saab-fighter-attack-projects.683/post-5417)

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/Saab_AJ-3X.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/Saab_AJ-3X.jpeg.html)

... and complement.

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/SaabMac.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/SaabMac.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 12, 2019, 12:57:19 am
I like the upper variant - confirms my idea that a Viggen with a conventional layout might look a lot like an F-4 Phantom II.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Saab Viggen
Post by: ysi_maniac on April 22, 2020, 04:11:01 pm
Saab Jagare (destroyer in Swedish)

(https://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/SaabJagare.jpeg) (https://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/SaabJagare.jpeg.html)