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Title: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: nev on December 22, 2002, 12:11:09 am
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I want to go through the pain of an NMF again!!!
Which is why you need to move to the UK  :)

One can of Halfords Aluminium spray paint and all your problems are solved :t

Maybe with a few panels sprayed with Nissan Silver for a bit of contrast  :G
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Alvis on December 22, 2002, 02:47:35 pm
Well...there were a lot of -4s at the end of the war, a run done for the RN, who, oddly enough, didn't require any more aircraft since the war was over. Could have been picked up for a steal by the Canadian government....but didn't! However...if they had bought a bunch, they would have likely needed to fob them off onto the RCAF as they would have had too many for the RCN...then the RCAF could have traded them back to the USN in the early 50's for some -5s. Scheme sounds too cool! Bear in mind that the RCAF Mustangs were silver painted, not BMF, so perhaps good old Testors silver would work. You could use the City of Hamilton/Vancouver markings, these have been around a couple of times (I think Leading Edge does some)
As far as the RCN Corsairs at Suez, since in reality Canada sent in the Blue Hats to keep the 2 sides apart at the end of the conflict, perhaps a contingent of RCN high-vis (overall white??) peacekeeper Corsairs would be appropriate...
BTW, I'm the psycho that did the X-wing corsair!
Alvis
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Ollie on December 24, 2002, 11:54:00 am
For me, it depends.  I like some aircrafts (Skyraide and P-47) to have laods of stuff under them wings, but others look better clean.

I'll do a French F4U-7, ya know, the one where the ingeneers decided the nose wasn't still long enough! :TT

Oh, I just might put the rockets for a new role!  ASW!!!!



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Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Ollie on December 21, 2002, 12:01:29 pm
I'm thinking about doing one Corsair in post war RCAF markings, like the Mustangs we had.  NMF, with red and white on the wings and the tail, and off course, juicy maple leafs!

Toad, any idea on how it'll look like?

 :w
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Ollie on December 21, 2002, 12:39:22 pm
I thought about that, but I want a RCAF Corsair, not a RCN.  I want to go through the pain of an NMF again!!!

 :aa

But a detachment on the Bonnie would be good.  This is part of my project has many Corsairs as possible that never went on an aicraft carrier!  So far I have the Heller Racer done, pretty neat, I still have the Hobbycraft COIN Corsair to go.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Radish on December 22, 2002, 01:11:04 am
:h The Corsair has always been one of my favourites, land-based or carrier based.
The RNZAF of course had all land-based ones, but the USN and USMarines also operated from airfields, as did the French Navy F4U-7s/AU-1s from bases in Algeria and Indo-China.
I once drew/wrote a spoof history of \"The City of Stafford Squadron\" for an RAF Stafford Open Day (some people bought it as \"real\"....great!!!!) in which the RAF equipped the squadron with F4U-1Ds for high altitude work/evaluation....minus arrestor hook, etc. I \"painted\" them in either PRU blue all over, the high-altitude scheme of PR blue with medium sea grey uppers, or all over pink! \"B\" type roundels, throughout. And very nice too.
Then, of course, there's the possibility that the South Vietnamese had F4U-5s and AU-1s? All sorts of COIN grey finishes with pretty bright unit markings? Later camouflaged.
Or Israeli ones?
don't forget the REAL, and pretty battered looking Honduran F4U-4/5s.there's decals from varios sources available for these. And there's a great article or two on the net..references available if you need them.
RCAF F4U-1 to -4 had outer panels in silver dope rather than metal as these were fabric covered, but you're OK with the F4U-5 and later versions.
The racer sounds good!!!
Hopefully at sometime we can have lots of fun with the Hobbycraft F2G kits WHEN/IF they appear?
Why do so many people come up with great ideas? I've a few 1/72nd Italeri kits bought to do as \"funnies\" ready and waiting, and heaven knows how many Academy F4U-4/4Bs ( a great value for money kit), Hasegawa F4U-5/5N/AU-1s, and Tamiya/Hobbycraft F4U-1s.....all ready to paint/make. Oh dear, I must find less time to go on this machine, and MORE time to sit and model!
 :zz  :zz  :h  :zz  :zz
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Ollie on December 22, 2002, 08:17:03 am
That would be great, I'll post some pics of my racer here, it looks very good.  I think I'll go for a P-51D scheme I saw in FSM 3-4 years ago, it looked really sharp.  Yep, I have seen the French X-Wing, very cool!

I use ALCLAD and Metalizer, not bad at all!  Hallsford paints are non-existent over here, but we manage to do good too!!  Keep watching Modeling Madness, you'll see my P-47 there soon.  

I'll go grab my Hase Corsair (very cheap of course) and I'll get back to you on this one.  Also, I one saw on MM in the contest page a Crosair done like a Phantom!  Super cool!  I'll try to find the pic and post it here.

 :G
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Ollie on December 22, 2002, 03:06:42 pm
Alvis, you are da man!

I will paint the aircraft with Metalizers and ALCLAD II, and will just make up a fancy scheme, which will look like our Mustangs, but with my personnal touch.  I will scrounge the decal depot for the right stuff!

I'll keep you posted as soon as a get that Corsair!

 :G
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Radish on December 23, 2002, 09:57:24 am
:G A marvellous job on the X-wing F4U Alvis.........inspired!
 :Ss How about Arctic Red areas on the RCAF example? .....
wingtips(big enought to back insaignia?) fin/rudder?...and upper fuselage.
I like the colour scheme adopted by the 355th FG, 8th AF? on the Mustangs....the \"Millie P\" was one famous one, with all olive drab curving down from the anti'glare panel to cover the entire aft-fuselage. A rumour in the '60s had it painted Cherry Red, not OD..much prettier, and Revell released their appalling 1/72nd Mustang in the red scheme.
How about translating the idea to the RCAF F4U??
A Corsair on floats for all those backwater areas of Canada?
 :h  :zz  :aa  :zz  :h
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Radish on December 24, 2002, 01:12:03 am
:( Academy F4U-4B.a super kit, no filler and a doddle to put together. It'll look super!
The colours sound great.......all that Alclad too.
A pity about not including the underwing stores, though for the role you've chosen the fuel tanks only are appropriate I know. I tend to think, though, that Corsairs are like Phantoms and that unless every station is fully loaded it looks decidedly under-armed and naked.
Perhaps that's one reason why I tend to like aircraft when they've reached the \"overdeveloped \" stage in their lives when the designers/service puts lots of pylons, etc, to the airframe.
Hence, the beautiful F4U-5, AU-1, etc.
Hey....fully loaded F4U-5 next time??
 :/
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Radish on December 21, 2002, 12:10:38 pm
:Ss The RNZAF painted at least one FG-1D Corsair post-war in silver, with bright roundels, and pretty different it looked.
 :-/ Personally, I'd \"go\" for a Sky/dark grey finish, or all-over sea blue. The Argies operated some of their F4U-5s in gull grey/white which'd look nice. Also, El Salvador had light grey F4Us before camouflaging them in greens and tans. They also operated about 5 in an aerobatic team in all-white with light blue trim.
How about an all-white Canadian F4U-5?
 :aa Or, a gull grey/white RCN F4U-5 in Suez markings? with \"The Bonnie\" on attachment to the RN in the Med??
 :dr
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Radish on December 22, 2002, 04:11:51 am
:aa Oh, by the way, the entire range of Halfords silvers is worth looking at. I use quite a few different shades to ring the changes.
Have you seen the French Navy X-wing Corsair on ARC??
I wonder what some of the WW2 aircraft would look like in todays camos and markings............low-viz greys from the F-18/F-14 on Hellcats/Corsairs? Swap the camos to modern jets.....triple blue/white on F-18....Sea Blue Gloss on F-14? With full colour markings?
 :pl
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Ollie on December 23, 2002, 10:51:01 am
Ok, I've got my kit, it's the 1/48 Academy F4U-4B.  I will dump the Navy gear and keep the drop tanks, the aircraft will be with Maritime Command as an long-range interceptor to catch prowling Soviet ASW or AS planes.  It will be NMF overall with Testor Guards Red panels on the tail and the wings, with some white on the fuselage.  I have to dig through my FSM pile to find the lovely RCAF Mustang in a similar scheme.

 :G
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: SinUnNombre on November 29, 2007, 03:19:40 pm
Hey everyone. I just bought th Revell 1/48 Corsair. It seems like a nice kit. It still has retractable landing gear and folding wings, but I may glue all that solid for strength. No onto the sillyness. I had talked in the Piston Perfection thread about putting a Centaurus on the front of an F2G, what about one on my F4U? The Centaurus is 3 inches bigger around than the R-2800, and weighs 145lbs more. Maybe shorten the nose a hair to move that extra weight back? And where can I find a good 1/48 Centaurus? That would help improve over-the-nose visibility as well. I also thought about a bubble top. What else should I do to improve the Corsair? Thanks for your input.

Jon
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on November 29, 2007, 05:57:20 pm
Engine length is the critical dimension.

The R2800-18, -18W and -18W* engine installation as used in the F4U-4 series was 93.77 inches long, thus the long nose. The engine weighed 2,560 lbs.
You'd need to find the installed length for your chosen Centaurus before you could define what effect, if any, it would have on overall length.

Jon

 
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: SinUnNombre on December 26, 2007, 06:34:23 pm
Just wondering if anyone had any more input on this. I really want my Centaurus-engined Corsair in FAA colors and Suez stripes. And this beaut of a kit's just collecting dust. I've been from one end of the Interweb to the other and can't find anything about the lenghty of said beastie. Evan, you got anything? One last thing, where might I find a good 1/48 scale Centaurus?

Jon

P.S. We need a, "Where can I find..." forum. Where you post questions about which kit you can find bit A or bob B.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitbasher on December 27, 2007, 04:20:02 am
I had a stab at a Centaurus bubble-top RN Corsair a few years ago.  Original colours were Korean War Fleet Air Arm and it got people looking twice at it on a club table at Telford a few years ago.  Repainted it in early post-WW2 FAA colours a couple of years later but don't remember why!
This was the backstory:

Blackburn Aircraft Ltd enjoyed a long association with Royal Naval aviation. During World War 2 it enjoyed the distinction of building many of the Fleet Air Arm ’ s Swordfish aircraft, and was also contracted to modify US-built Vought F4U Corsairs to RN standards. On the basis of this experience, and in the light of continuing delays to the Firebrand shipborne torpedo fighter, an Anglicised version of the F4U-4 was developed as the Navy ’ s next carrier fighter. The type was distinguished from its US forebear by a number of features arising from combat experience, principally the cut-down rear fuselage and bubble canopy, which in turn required an enlargened fin (Blackburn were unaware of similar enhancements being undertaken by Goodyear as they developed the F2G). The main difference was the introduction of the Centaurus engine. Although the airframe improvements were welcome by the crews, and the Centaurus provided extra power, the type was destined to be overshadowed by the superior Hawker Sea Fury, and saw only limited service with second line units until its retirement from service in 1950.
(Donor kits: Matchbox F4U-4 Corsair, scratchbuilt canopy, Almark sheet S8)
(http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Corsair%20V%20whiff/1946-CorsairV-4.jpg) (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Corsair%20V%20whiff/1946-CorsairV-3.jpg) (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Corsair%20V%20whiff/1946-CorsairV-2.jpg) (http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff90/kitbasher_2007/Corsair%20V%20whiff/1946-CorsairV-1.jpg)

 
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on December 27, 2007, 11:12:58 am
Boy does that look like a Blackburn Firebrand:

(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Firebrand_in_flight_Colour.jpg)
(http://membres.lycos.fr/wings2/3vues/firebrand_3v.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Archangel on December 31, 2007, 02:02:35 pm
I like the idea of the AU-1 and thought that if the F2G had worked it would have provided the base for the next version called the AU-1a or AU-2. The only changes other then adding hard points for weapons would be the 4X 20MM guns and markings for aircraft in service. There are at least two F2G kits out there and parts from either the Italeri F4U-5 kits or -7 kits could be used for the wings unless there are other kits one could use.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Daryl J. on March 15, 2008, 08:53:14 pm
Hey this thread is older than my kids who head to Kindergarten this fall!

Here's my F-4U idea:   Somehow, some way, a small number of Corsairs wound up in North Africa and were used by the Mercenaires of Marrakesh.    The variants were -1D's and -4's.  Over time, the cloth panels were overlaid in aloominummm (gotta get my Yank accent in there somehow), and the airframes weathered heavily in the desert sun.   Painted similar to the Bf-109 desert versions, the Corsair was usually seen in a faded Middlestone over light sand.   Personal markings were allowed and resulted in some striking regalia, however, there was no partiular single insignia. 

The Mercenaries flew a wide variety of aircraft through their rather profitable years, had pilots from many walks of life who flew for money not loyalty, and often protected convoys smuggling goods to both sides of the Large Political Picture during their years of operation.   The modified Corsairs served alongside desert adapted F3F's, FM-2's, CR.42's, Storches, and the ever present Piper Cub. One Stuka had been reassembled from multiple aircraft but was never operational since every known crankshaft was bent rendering the type useless.  Whether the product in transit be diamonds heading north out of Central Africa along the west side of the Atlas Mountains, weapons heading in from odd and assorted sources large and small, cash, gold from the Afar coast, recreational pharmaceudicals, or individuals, the smuggling convoys could always count on the Mercenaries of Marrakesh.  By the time the American Hippie had evolved from Neandrethal Man, the mercenary group had largely faded into history.    They were untouchables; too valuable to all sides to ignore or prosecute, never loved because of what they were, and were loyal to the sky.


Kits:   AM F3F-1 and 2, Tamiya F-4U-1D, Tamiya/Italeri CR.42, and quite possibly the Testors/Hawk Mystery Ship done as an early, less known machine.  All in 1/48 to keep scales consistent.   What's not already purchased won't be since we need to focus on business growth out in Real Life but quite frankly, I'd love a Storch someday and have it not done in the markings of its Nation of Origin.


Jus' some more imagineering from
Daryl J.


Daryl J.


Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 03, 2008, 11:38:46 am
Hi Daryl,
Can an antitank Corsair, a la Stuka Kanonenvogel, fit in your alternate history?

Hi Greg (GTX),
Can you draw any of your cool designs, but based on Corsair. I have been toying with a twin engined, a la Tigercat, but the shape of wings is a problem :banghead:

I have a pair of Matchbox kits that need to be abused.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Shasper on June 03, 2008, 01:54:01 pm
I'd like to do a few F2Gs, one as an operational bird & another as a rebuilt COIN bird similar to the Cavalier Mustangs, with yet another as a reborn FAC/COIN type for the Marines today (turbine powered of course).


Shas 8)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Daryl J. on June 03, 2008, 06:13:31 pm
Why not an antitank Corsair!  :thumbsup:    Wing mg's removed and some discarded guns/farings from a wrecked Hawker Hurricane IID.   Sand/Ivory in a Ferris like scheme yes?



Daryl J.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Mossie on September 12, 2008, 02:18:48 am
I've been thinking about the Corsair as P-47 alternative.  The P-43, P-44 & XP-47A were never quite good enough & a substantial redesign was required to create the P-47B.  What if it was decided to throw the towel in at after the XP-47A? 

The Corsair was used in a very simillar roles had marginally lower performance than the P-47, but remove the extra weight of the naval gear & this would be improved. Range of the Corsair was good, as was it's weapons carrying capability, if not quite in the region of the P-47.  Again, both of these could have improved if the naval equipment was removed.  The Corsair had non-self sealing tanks in the outer wings, which only used for ferry & rarely in combat, I'm guessing that removing the wing fold would enable them to be of the self sealing type?

Although Vought didn't build any aircraft for the US Army, there's a few designations either side of the P-47 that were only used for prototypes.  So we've got P-45 & P-46 before hand, although I'm thinking after the XP-47A was canned.  So P-48, P-49 or P-50?
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 15, 2008, 11:02:29 pm

Although Vought didn't build any aircraft for the US Army, there's a few designations either side of the P-47 that were only used for prototypes.  So we've got P-45 & P-46 before hand, although I'm thinking after the XP-47A was canned.  So P-48, P-49 or P-50?

Designations once assigned were not transfered, however, of those suggested... P-48 would be a possible as it did not become hardware.
The P-49 & P-50 both flew.

Jon
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Mossie on September 16, 2008, 03:06:52 am
Thanks Jon, P-48 it is!  I'm working on a quick build Hobby Boss F4U-1 to get me out of a lull & although it'll be RAF, I'll work the P-58 designation into the backstory.  I'm trying to think of a suitable landbased equivalent to the Corsair name, Raider or Bandit maybe, anymore?  I'm favouring Bandit at the mo, but Corsair has more of a 'romantic' image, anything in line with that?  So Chance Vought P-48A Bandit/Bandit Mk.I?
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitbasher on September 16, 2008, 03:51:37 am
...although it'll be RAF...
...so a little like http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,16936.msg238527.html#msg238527?
I'm trying to think of a suitable landbased equivalent to the Corsair name, Raider or Bandit maybe, anymore?  I'm favouring Bandit at the mo, but Corsair has more of a 'romantic' image, anything in line with that?  So Chance Vought P-48A Bandit/Bandit Mk.I?
Why not just stick with Corsair?
  ;D ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Mossie on September 16, 2008, 05:33:43 am
Nice one!  I was thinking of an SEA scheme, but firstly, I don't have the decals or paints, & secondly, I had this nagging feeling I'd seen one somewhere before.  It'll get a standard temperate day scheme (my second choice was a desert scheme, but again, don't have the paints), inavasion stripes if I'm feeling brave as I already put some rocket pylons on & this might be difficult.  I'm arming it with British 60lb RP's, simply because I thought it'd look different to the usual American rockets.  It might get a sharkmouth too.

I have made some minor changes to it to reflect a dedicated land based variant, I've removed the hook, filled in the gap & shortened the tail wheel doors accordingly (maybe a little too much in hindsight).  I've substitued the main undercarriage with some skinner versions from a P-40 that I converted to a floatplane.  These were perfect as the under cart on both aircraft worked in the same manner.

I decided on name change for a couple of reasons.  Firstly, to reflect it's new role & the fact that I made a few external changes & their would be internal changes on the real aircraft.  Secondly, I think the Army Air Force would need some serious convincing to take an aircraft that was originally designed for the Navy.  Swapping of aircraft between US armed services was rare & frought with difficulty & a name change might just help smooth things over.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on September 16, 2008, 11:19:26 am
Thanks Jon, P-48 it is!  I'm working on a quick build Hobby Boss F4U-1 to get me out of a lull & although it'll be RAF, I'll work the P-58 designation into the backstory.  I'm trying to think of a suitable landbased equivalent to the Corsair name, Raider or Bandit maybe, anymore?  I'm favouring Bandit at the mo, but Corsair has more of a 'romantic' image, anything in line with that?  So Chance Vought P-48A Bandit/Bandit Mk.I?

You might want to have Douglas receiving some form of compensation in exchange for 'giving up' the XP-48 designation.
Another candidate and one that was probably the closest thing to vapourware would be the Tucker XP-57.

As to naming, in the US "Outlaw" carries some of the same romantic connotations as Corsair, connotations that of course have more to do with romanticized fiction than with reality. Highwayman would probably be the closest British analog, so I suppose you could call it the Dennis Moore Mk. 1.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

You could go the Native American route, Comanche would be a appropriate, or the American West/horse theme as started with the Mustang... how about Maverick?

Jon
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Mossie on September 16, 2008, 01:19:30 pm
With the designation, I'll usually tend to try & re-write history a little, as I've found it's very difficult to fit an aircrfat into the US designation system where there are no gaps.  Since it's an aternative to the P-47, I could maybe take that designation, ending Republics involvement with the fighter at the P-44?

Outlaw carries some romanticism in the UK too, especially when related to Robin Hood, so that might be a go-er, although I'm getting to like the sound of Bandit.  Comanche sounds good though, & Bronco maybe with the horse related theme.  Hmm, too much choice!

Highwayman, has some romanticism over here when related to Dick Turpin, albeit falsely (the legends of his & over highwaymens exploits tend to get muddied), he was an out & out bad-un.  Plied his trade during the last part of his life not too far from where I live.  Dennis Moore! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Mossie on October 09, 2008, 07:39:41 am
As promised, Chance Vought P-48A Outlaw Mk.I of 247 (China British) Sqn RAF:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Corsair%20P-48A%20RAF/RAFCorsairLeftThreeQuarters.jpg)

More photos & backstory here:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21711.0.html (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,21711.0.html)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on October 10, 2008, 02:37:57 pm
So there I was thinking, I wonder what a in-line Corsair would look like and 1 min later I had this:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Corgrif.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: sequoiaranger on October 10, 2008, 03:25:30 pm
I bet that sucker would be H*ll to land on a carrier!!  Or anywhere else, for that matter. Looks like the YP-37 with that cockpit so far back.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 10, 2008, 11:01:42 pm
So there I was thinking, I wonder what a in-line Corsair would look like and 1 min later I had this:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/Corgrif.jpg)

Regards,

Greg

Greg,
take a look a the cutaway I'm linking and you'll see that the aft end of the cowling on the Corsair is not the aft end of the engine installation.
The mounts continue back to joggled line mid fuselage, the one that lines up with the main spar of the wing and the antenna mast a the top.

http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/images/drawings/f4u_cutaway_01.jpg (http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/images/drawings/f4u_cutaway_01.jpg)

Here is a cool site for Corsair drawings.
http://www.f4ucorsair.com/tdata/blueprints.html (http://www.f4ucorsair.com/tdata/blueprints.html)
Click on the profile and plan views on the left side for blueprints.
Here is the full fuselage centreline, it shows the engine mounts in profile :
http://www.f4ucorsair.com/tdata/fullfuse.jpg

The installed length (including induction system) of the R-2800 in the F4U-1, 2 series was 88.37 inches, in the F4U-4 family 93.77 inches and on the F4U-5 it was 98.5 inches.

Your Griffon wouldn't need to be hanging out in space in the fashion shown.

Jon
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Mossie on October 11, 2008, 06:34:55 am
I'd guess from Jon's description the front end would look something like the Tempest or inline Fury?

Here's a pic of the first Fury packing a Griffon, front end looks pretty much what your going for Greg, if you delete the intake.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/HawkerFuryGriffonEngine.jpg)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on October 11, 2008, 09:59:35 am
There's a couple of options for a Griffon power egg, from a description I was given of one Griffon powered Tempest (the guy had said he'd seen a drawing of it but wasn't able find it again) it was very similar to the Firefly Mk.I/II, but the cowling of the Firefly Mk.IV/V would IMO work a lot better for your application, plus if you use the Airfix kit you'd have a set of leading edge radiators (I don't see where you have placed these in your profile).  The second Griffon powered Tempest is like the photo Mossie posted, (and just FYI the airframe serial number transfered from this Tempest to the Fury shown)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on October 11, 2008, 12:22:04 pm
People, I did say I only spent a minute on this so please forgive gross inaccuracies - anyway, maybe it isn't a Griffon engine (it just looks a little like one ;D

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 14, 2008, 11:10:54 am
F4U-4BX, the second F4U-4 prototype, March 31, 1945 with non-jettisonable tiptanks.  :party:

Jon
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitbasher on October 14, 2008, 12:10:48 pm
Here's a pic of the first Fury packing a Griffon, front end looks pretty much what your going for Greg, if you delete the intake.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/HawkerFuryGriffonEngine.jpg)
Griffon Corsair is top (well, ish...) of my 'To Do List '09'.  Got the Revell/Italeri Corsair, got the Shackleton engine front end courtesy of The Wooksta and got the Airfix/PM Sea Fury decals.  Shack bit is a good fit.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: gofy on October 20, 2010, 02:03:25 pm
Could the Corsair keep the round cowl and still have an  inline? (Think TA-152, FW-190-D9)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on October 20, 2010, 04:28:35 pm
Could the Corsair keep the round cowl and still have an  inline? (Think TA-152, FW-190-D9)

Well that's what the Fury in the pic above has, gofy. So it should work perfectly on the Corsair because the cowling is about the same diameter.

I used a Shackleton nacelle front too, but had to change a lot of the detail.

Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: sideshowbob9 on October 21, 2010, 05:02:22 am
Beautifully done kit' !  :bow:

Indeed!  :wub:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitbasher on October 21, 2010, 07:26:57 am
Well 2 years on and I've not made a start on my Griffon Corsair!  How lame am I??
Might not bother now, don't want to steal kitnut's thunder.
 :banghead:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on October 21, 2010, 10:16:50 am
Well 2 years on and I've not made a start on my Griffon Corsair!  How lame am I??
Might not bother now, don't want to steal kitnut's thunder.
 :banghead:

KB, don't stop because of me, I'd really like to see a Corsair done like this.

Beautifully done kit' !  :bow:

Indeed!  :wub:

Thanks guys, I should get on and finish it, right !!

The carb intake isn't like a Shack's, it's more like the Merlin 85 set-up, top pic here is of the Merlin 85 nacelle (a set of these were kindly provide by Martin H recently), second pic is the Shack's, and the third is how I revised mine.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: raafif on November 04, 2010, 05:29:42 pm
the Fact ...
The Japanese captured 1 Hellcat (bellied in on Formosa) & 1 Corsair (bellied in north of Tokyo). There are photos of both after being put back on their undercarriages & wings folded. There is also a photo of the Hellcat with Hinamarus found by US forces being used as a dummy on an airfield but it's thought it was never actually air-tested by the Japanese.

the Whif ...
Here is my Corsair in Japanese colours ... after testing it was pressed into service for Home Defence & scored 3 victories ...


Doing a diorama of the Tamiya kit in IJN colours -- on its belly, flaps down -- test-pilot scratching head ... "the ground came up quicker than I could find where the gear lever was" ...
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on November 18, 2010, 11:00:40 pm
Turbo Prop F4U:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/More%20Creations/F4UTP.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Pablo1965 on November 19, 2010, 03:14:52 pm
Brewster...Corsair thanks to share this ideas.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: ChernayaAkula on November 19, 2010, 04:10:25 pm
Whoa, the turboprop Corsair looks like the spitting image of the J2 Skyly from Sky Crawlers. Jolly nice job!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: raafif on November 19, 2010, 04:54:17 pm
OOoooH !! would look nicer with a bloody big exhaust pipe out the side of the cowling tho  :mellow:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on November 19, 2010, 05:49:47 pm
OOoooH !! would look nicer with a bloody big exhaust pipe out the side of the cowling tho  :mellow:

It sticks out the other side raafif
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on November 19, 2010, 07:42:04 pm
OOoooH !! would look nicer with a bloody big exhaust pipe out the side of the cowling tho  :mellow:

It sticks out the other side raafif

Bingo - see from original RR Dart Turboprop Mustang:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Canadian%20MiGs/p51tp001.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on November 19, 2010, 07:42:54 pm
Turbo Prop F4U:

Because who doesn't like Darts on WWII fighters!  :thumbsup:

 :thumbsup: ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on November 20, 2010, 07:21:08 am
Bingo - see from original RR Dart Turboprop Mustang:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Canadian%20MiGs/p51tp001.jpg)

Regards,

Greg

What is that little notch in the top of the cowling which is a bit behind the intake ? I though I had a 'miss-cast' part when you look at the resin cowling I have.

Just noticed,  Sabre tanks too.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on November 20, 2010, 12:16:05 pm
It appears to be a gap/slot - see below:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/dart001.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: famvburg on November 22, 2010, 06:06:48 am

     Original as in this one from Australia was before the Cavalier?



OOoooH !! would look nicer with a bloody big exhaust pipe out the side of the cowling tho  :mellow:

It sticks out the other side raafif

Bingo - see from original RR Dart Turboprop Mustang:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/Canadian%20MiGs/p51tp001.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: GTX on November 22, 2010, 11:35:21 am

     Original as in this one from Australia was before the Cavalier?


The Australian one was done at about the same time as the Cavalier one.

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: comrade harps on October 14, 2011, 01:10:21 am
Just got a F4U-5 kit that features those stub rocket launchers as underwing pylons. My question is, what else other that rockets can I hang from these? Could the stubs carry, say, a 250lb Mk.81 bomb or a 65 gal napalm tank, or only rockets?
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: famvburg on October 14, 2011, 05:58:36 am
   
     I can't remember what it is for, but it's an air inlet. I think it's for the oil cooler. we had a couple of Grumman Gulfstream I's based at my airport over the years. I'll try to check with one of the mechs. I might even still have a manual lying around. I can assure you it's an air inlet tho.

What is that little notch in the top of the cowling which is a bit behind the intake ? I though I had a 'miss-cast' part when you look at the resin cowling I have.

Just noticed,  Sabre tanks too.
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Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: ysi_maniac on June 08, 2012, 10:06:01 am
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/F4U_napier.jpg)
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/F4U_V3420.jpg)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: raafif on June 08, 2012, 01:26:34 pm
guess I'll post this here too ...  Cor !, I Dare someone to build this in plastic ! ;)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/CD.png)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/CD2.png)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: rickshaw on June 09, 2012, 08:22:24 am
Now, that would have, shall we say, "interesting" roll characteristics, I think.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: raafif on June 11, 2012, 03:56:26 pm
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/CD5.png)
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/CD4.png)
needs black crosses & a Bv- designation ...
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: rickshaw on June 11, 2012, 04:48:09 pm
You've been talking to Tophe, haven't you?   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: coolpop6307 on June 11, 2012, 05:40:26 pm
guess I'll post this here too ...  Cor !, I Dare someone to build this in plastic ! ;)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/CD.png)

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s34/hobgrot/CD2.png)

I saw something similar that is in plastic.

(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/coolpop6307/photos_1265254314.jpg)

(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/coolpop6307/photos_1265271802h.jpg)

(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/coolpop6307/photos_1265264759.jpg)

(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/coolpop6307/photos_1265243004.jpg)

(http://i1242.photobucket.com/albums/gg537/coolpop6307/photos_1265243606.jpg)

It is not like that one but still cool looking.  :cheers:  ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: raafif on June 12, 2012, 04:35:53 pm
wow!, that's a nice torpedo-bird.  Thanks for posting them, coolpop.

Yes, Tophe :wacko: is my inspiration, teacher & enabler.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Talon on August 29, 2012, 08:11:03 pm
A concept of my own, is a turboprop fighter using an Allison T40/Armstrong Siddeley Double Mamba type setup, giving it the benefits of both a single engine airframe and and twin engine reliability. It would basic be like GTX's mustang but with a wider lower engine cowl and exhaust at the back of the wing roots on each side.

now to work out how to attach a pic =/
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 04, 2012, 03:43:00 am
I revive this because of a current project of mine: has anyone (ever) considered or tried fitting a Griffon engine on a F4U fuselage? I am currently working on a late Corsair conversion in Commonwealth use aftre WWII, with a bubble canopy and a different engine - at first I considered the Centaurus radial, a "typical" choice for such a project.

But then, when I did some legwork for a Beaufighter conversion project, I stumbled across the Avro Shackleton/Lincoln and its Griffon nacelles with the round, chin-mounted radiators. I wonder if this goes together, somehow...? The result should look odd - and it's a great excuse for another contraprop conversion!
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: famvburg on October 04, 2012, 06:15:00 am

     I put the cowl and prop from a Frog Shackleton on an F4U-1 years ago. Just about a perfect fit.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 04, 2012, 06:32:11 am
Ah, that sound promising, thank you fro the feedback. I intend to transplant a resin Griffon (for a Lincoln) from Red Roo onto an Italeri F4U-7. Still waiting for the parts from the other side of this planet, though... I was not certain if the diameters match up, but obviously it seems feasible? That should become a killer Corsair...  :wacko:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: nighthunter on October 06, 2012, 07:36:32 am

     I put the cowl and prop from a Frog Shackleton on an F4U-1 years ago. Just about a perfect fit.

As we say in the internet world "pictures or it didn't happen", LOL. I believe you, just would really like to see some pictures, lol.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 08, 2012, 05:49:18 am
I guess that the diameter of the Corsair fuselage and the Griffon from a Shackleton/Licoln with its round radiator intake are pretty close to each other - and the shape should be similar, too.

I am still waiting for my donation/conversion parts to arrive (coming from Australia to Germany...) - but pics of such a beast would be nice and highly appreciated!
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 27, 2012, 04:55:46 am
Muahahahah!  :wacko:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8127367714_6939fce4b9_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8127367714/)
1:72 Vought-CAC Corsair SAW.1, 1957 (Whif/Kit conversion) - WiP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8127367714/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: The Big Gimper on October 27, 2012, 07:31:52 am
Is it a SAW because of your modeling  tool or the raspy sound from the Griffon?  ;)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 27, 2012, 08:36:50 am
That looks pretty promising Thomas!  :thumbsup:

Is that a Griffon or a Merlin 85 power egg you have on the nose there?
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 27, 2012, 09:54:55 am
No, it's "Strike, All Weather"...  ;)

Yes, it's a Griffon 85's - actually intended for RAAF Lincoln bombers, from a resin conversion set from Australia by Red Roo (hence the shrouded exhausts). Had to wait four weeks for them to arrive from the other side of the world, but their diameter is almost right - they just miss 1-2mm, which can be filled with putty (yes, the 'Power of Presto'). The pic shows a very early stage of surgery, just after having fitted the Griffon in place and rough cutting on the fuselage.

Contraprop will be fitted, too, this thing looks pretty martial...  ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on October 27, 2012, 10:03:12 am
It looks like a Lincoln Merlin 85 set Kit, maybe a DB productions one (Flightpath).  It's not like Martin's set though or the Paragon Lancaster Merlin 85 set (which doesn't have the air intake positioned under the spinner)

D'oh! to late.  BTW Lincolns were powered by Merlin 85's -- however there was a Griffon 61 installation that did look a bit like it, on one of the Hawker Fury prototypes.

Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: PR19_Kit on October 27, 2012, 02:29:21 pm
I wish I was at home, I have samples of both conveniently to hand, especially the Merlin 85s, for which I have two projects planned already.  ;)

It sure looks the business though.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on October 27, 2012, 03:30:27 pm
The Griffon set-up that looks like that was used on another aircraft other than the Fury prototype, it was installed on the Fairey Firefly Mk.III.  Only one was built but later the Firefly AS.7 and U.8 also had the Griffon installed like that.  There's some excellent photos of them in the Squadron 'Firefly in Action' book. As far as I'm aware those are the only fighters that got that particular installation (someone is bound to jump in and correct me now --- )
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: nighthunter on October 29, 2012, 01:49:23 am
So, something like this with the Radar?

https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Photos/CorsairFAW.png?w=3f87ecff (https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Photos/CorsairFAW.png?w=3f87ecff)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 30, 2012, 06:13:15 am
Conversion makes good progress. Body work is through and I started painting - the EDSG/Sky livery with a high waterline looks excellent on the long-nosed Corsair. Decals are about to be applied  ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Radish on October 30, 2012, 09:40:20 am
Sounds good....got a couple of 1/48th steampunked Corsairs.
One in Beer Wars "Budweiser" markings....the other is RAF in the Korean War. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: perttime on October 30, 2012, 10:54:14 am
Sounds good....got a couple of 1/48th steampunked Corsairs.
One in Beer Wars "Budweiser" markings....the other is RAF in the Korean War. :thumbsup:
What? Where? I want to see them!  :wacko:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 31, 2012, 12:33:42 am
More pics from the scrapyard...

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8474/8139165728_e636daf0b0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139165728/)
1:72 Vought-CAC Corsair S(AW).1, 1957 (Whif/Kit conversion) - WiP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139165728/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8331/8139161842_fbf6894acc_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139161842/)
1:72 Vought-CAC Corsair S(AW).1, 1957 (Whif/Kit conversion) - WiP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139161842/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8466/8139139763_963cf817ca_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139139763/)
1:72 Vought-CAC Corsair S(AW).1, 1957 (Whif/Kit conversion) - WiP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139139763/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8465/8139174252_f36825caef_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139174252/)
1:72 Vought-CAC Corsair S(AW).1, 1957 (Whif/Kit conversion) - WiP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8139174252/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: perttime on October 31, 2012, 01:26:07 am
.... an open cockpit corsair might look cool.
Then it would have to be built for a slightly earlier period, or some dieselpunk or even steampunk world ....
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on October 31, 2012, 01:44:40 am
You could even make it a "Double Decker", with another (inverted) pair of wings on top of the front fuselage. Then add a fixed landing gear...? Sounds odd, but could work and even look good?  :unsure:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: perttime on October 31, 2012, 02:39:48 am
My feelings on biplanes are a bit divided but fixed landing gear sounds good  :lol:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 02, 2012, 01:59:02 pm
Closing in on beauty pics... The thing has something very British and menacing about it - even without its contraprop fitted  :wacko:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8332/8144221819_bcd9bb9af0_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8144221819/)
1:72 Vought-CAC Corsair S(AW).1, '236'/WZ882, Royal Australian Navy, 806 Squadron/HMAS Melbourne, 1957 (Whif/Kit conversion) - WiP (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8144221819/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: rickshaw on November 02, 2012, 04:08:09 pm
The normal Corsair had a long nose which was bad enough, that one's ginormous!   Looks the part though!  Coming along nicely there.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Captain Canada on November 02, 2012, 07:50:16 pm
That's quite the machine !
 :cheers:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Mossie on November 03, 2012, 06:07:39 am
Brutish, I like that!  Fighters don't have to be pretty, looks like it's been hit with the ugly stick, then turned it on it's owner and bludgeoned them to death with it. :wacko:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 04, 2012, 09:38:23 am
Yup, this Corsair looks like "Bad news". Beauty pics and story soon to come, project just finished.  ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 05, 2012, 02:14:51 am
Finished and posted...  ;D

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8478/8153758396_e45df7747d_z.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8153758396/)
1:72 Vought-CAC Corsair S(AW).1, '236'/WZ882, Royal Australian Navy, 806 Squadron/HMAS Melbourne, 1957 (Whif/Kit conversion) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/8153758396/) by dizzyfugu (http://www.flickr.com/people/dizzyfugu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Briar on November 07, 2012, 05:48:08 pm
here's some cool F-2s.
http://www.deviantart.com/morelikethis/191060442#/d38nbld
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Armour/ShepStuff/Website/DrakaWB/F2G-2.gif
http://www.rendersworld.com/Reference/corsair/F2G-1D.jpg
http://richard.ferriere.free.fr/3vues/supercorsair_3v.jpg
http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/10766/Xv63755.jpg

here's a modeling job: http://www.ipmsusa3.org/reviews/Kits/Aircraft/spechobby_48_f2g/part_02/spechobby_48_f2g_02.htm

Brutish, I like that!  Fighters don't have to be pretty, looks like it's been hit with the ugly stick, then turned it on it's owner and bludgeoned them to death with it. :wacko:
What? I think it's beautiful, but I do agree it did bludgeoned it's creator. The contra-rotating props with yellow tips always look good on a plane!!!
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 09, 2012, 07:10:10 am
It has a "British" beauty. It's a bit like this bonmot which I cannot correctly quote, but it's about European supercars (maybe from Top Gear?):

"A Ferrari looks fast - fast in a sense that it slices through the air. Then you have an Aston Martin: it also looks fast, but in a sense that it slices through brick walls."

Beauty is relative - but IMHO we have that Aston Martin feeling here ;)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: nighthunter on November 09, 2012, 01:26:40 pm
Posting it here, as well.

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/Donovan_NightHunter/FD%20Scale/Aus-CACCorsairSAW1.png)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on November 12, 2012, 12:39:58 am
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: nighthunter on November 12, 2012, 03:27:18 pm
So, I posted Dizzyfugu's Corsair on shipbucket, and someone suggested using a turboprop, so I made a turbo-prop version. *Edited*

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/Donovan_NightHunter/FD%20Scale/Aus-CAC-CorsairSAW3.png)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: nighthunter on November 19, 2012, 01:22:07 am
Just thought I'd throw this up here as well, a Goodyear F2G-1D "Super" Corsair

(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/Donovan_NightHunter/FD%20Scale/USA-GoodyearF2G-1DSuperCorsair.png)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: AS.12 on February 23, 2013, 01:52:41 pm
Oh look what I found!  An Aéronavale Corsair with underwing SS-11s.  Caption notes that it was flying from Arromanches for a series of tests in the late 1950s.

(http://a403.idata.over-blog.com/600x356/1/95/08/26/Armements-aeronefs/SS-11/SS11-sur-Corsair.jpg)

Original page here: http://avions-de-la-guerre-d-algerie.over-blog.com/40-index.html (http://avions-de-la-guerre-d-algerie.over-blog.com/40-index.html)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: NARSES2 on February 24, 2013, 02:52:32 am
I've 2 of the Special Hobby Super Corsair's. one will be FAA (BPF) not sure about the other, but seeing that Turbo Corsair in Australian markings has given me an idea  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: wuzak on February 24, 2013, 03:44:14 am
I drew a Vulture Corsair a while back.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7903697130_336a5e1e71.jpg)

In my timeline the Vulture is not cancelled, but is given to a group of engineers from Armstrong-Siddeley on secondment to Rolls-Royce. They re-engineer the Vulture around Merlin blocks and heads and a short stroke crankshaft, giving a capacity of around 2750ci. The equivalent performance of thsi to the Merlin XX is just under 3000hp @ 3600rpm. (The Pennine with the same bore and stroke made 2750hp @ 3500rpm in 1944, and was air-cooled.)

The radiators would be mounted in the leading edge of the inner wing, where the intercooler and carby intakes for the F4U were.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on February 25, 2013, 05:52:59 am
Oh look what I found!  An Aéronavale Corsair with underwing SS-11s.  Caption notes that it was flying from Arromanches for a series of tests in the late 1950s.

Yup, they tested it, and while if basically worked, guiding the missile while piloting an aircraft at low(!) level was a bit too much for practical use...
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: rickshaw on February 25, 2013, 06:53:08 am
Oh look what I found!  An Aéronavale Corsair with underwing SS-11s.  Caption notes that it was flying from Arromanches for a series of tests in the late 1950s.

Yup, they tested it, and while if basically worked, guiding the missile while piloting an aircraft at low(!) level was a bit too much for practical use...

Particularly in the face of potential defences.   Anyway, SS11 was a bit short-ranged for aircraft use and the simple MCLOS (Manual Command Line of Sight) "bang-bang" guidance system was as you suggest a bit too much of a handful for a pilot who was also flying the plane.  Which is why the French first looked at using that weird aircraft, the name of which escapes me, which was a two-seater twin boomer, for SS11 missiles.  It was also why they developed in the end the SS12 missile - both longer ranged and SACLOS (Semi-Active Command Line of Sight) guidance.   
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 25, 2013, 07:15:42 am
Which is why the French first looked at using that weird aircraft, the name of which escapes me, which was a two-seater twin boomer, for SS11 missiles.   

The Potez 75, an aircraft after Tophe's heart if ever there was one!  ;D

(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6229/potez75.jpg)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: AS.12 on February 25, 2013, 07:22:10 am
Found a little more about these tests from  http://aerostories.free.fr/events/algerie/algerie03/ (http://aerostories.free.fr/events/algerie/algerie03/)


( Any translation errors are mine )


In each case the pilot fired around two kilometres from the target, at low altitude.He had to direct the rocket using a small stick at his right hand and continuing to fly the aircraft with his left hand.

Pilots were selected to be trained for an experimental qualification.

Despite very good results, this armament was never used by the Corsair in Algeria.


Instead the weapon was fitted to the Flamant with two pilots!

Edit: thanks for the discussion that led to the Potez 75!  Awesome machine. 
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: NARSES2 on February 25, 2013, 07:36:56 am
I love that Potez 75  :wub: Someone (can't remember who) does a kit of it
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: PR19_Kit on February 25, 2013, 07:58:44 am
I love that Potez 75  :wub: Someone (can't remember who) does a kit of it

Funny that, I was thinking EXACTLY the same! It turns out it's Akatombo in 1/72 at a bargain price of $57 in the US! (GULP!  :o
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: NARSES2 on February 25, 2013, 08:05:34 am
I love that Potez 75  :wub: Someone (can't remember who) does a kit of it

Funny that, I was thinking EXACTLY the same! It turns out it's Akatombo in 1/72 at a bargain price of $57 in the US! (GULP!  :o

Akatombo, that's it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: rickshaw on February 25, 2013, 03:57:53 pm
Which is why the French first looked at using that weird aircraft, the name of which escapes me, which was a two-seater twin boomer, for SS11 missiles.   

The Potez 75, an aircraft after Tophe's heart if ever there was one!  ;D

That's the beastie!  Fixed, spatted undercariage as well.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: tahsin on August 18, 2014, 02:19:02 am
Can't tell with this Russian site, but  this (http://alternathistory.org.ua/korsar-bez-chaiki) seems to be a real proposal for a straight wing Corsair.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Dizzyfugu on August 18, 2014, 03:09:11 am
Seems to carry British missiles, no HVAR?
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on August 18, 2014, 09:05:42 am
Discussed on Secret Projects with the original posting of the drawings:
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8970.msg207647.html#msg207647
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: Flyer on August 18, 2014, 01:05:18 pm
I'd not heard of the Potez 75, constant chord wing, fixed landing gear and pusher engine, I love it! It would make a great scale R/C model, FPV platform or a full blown UAV even ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: tahsin on January 18, 2017, 12:15:21 am
Was reading an article on Corsairs, came across a mention of the "Piñas" bomb... Seems to be a clusterbomb, any pictures of it around?


Also, Corsair makes an appearance at Khe Sanh (http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/176149-was-f4u-corsair-used-in-vietnam-photo/), until the guy noices he has mistaken it for a A-1. We have seen that before, haven't we?
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 18, 2018, 05:33:00 pm
Reengining Corsair with turbocharged Allison V-1710-111/113 ...

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/CorsairAllison.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/CorsairAllison.jpeg.html)

... and with Klimov VK-1

(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/JetCorsair.jpg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/JetCorsair.jpg.html)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 19, 2018, 07:53:53 pm
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/CorsairChrysler.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/CorsairChrysler.jpeg.html)

What if installing a Chrysler IV-2220 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_IV-2220 in a Corsair?

Do I need to stretch more the nose?

All your comments will be wellcome.

Thanks.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: perttime on October 20, 2018, 04:15:05 am
What if installing a Chrysler IV-2220 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_IV-2220 in a Corsair?

Do I need to stretch more the nose?

....
The Crysler weighs about the same as an R-2800 - but the R-2800's weight is mainly out there in front. Just eyeballing this, and a regular Corsair profile, I suspect you should stretch the Chrysler nose a little to balance the aircraft, especially with the radiator in the rear fuselage.

You might want space for a fuel tank in front of the cockpit, too.
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on October 20, 2018, 07:13:51 am
What if installing a Chrysler IV-2220 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_IV-2220 in a Corsair?

Do I need to stretch more the nose?

....
The Crysler weighs about the same as an R-2800 - but the R-2800's weight is mainly out there in front. Just eyeballing this, and a regular Corsair profile, I suspect you should stretch the Chrysler nose a little to balance the aircraft, especially with the radiator in the rear fuselage.

You might want space for a fuel tank in front of the cockpit, too.

Use a Corsair FG2 as a base instead
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 20, 2018, 02:05:35 pm
According to Wikipedia F2G is only 4 cm longer than F4U. :o
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 20, 2018, 03:08:51 pm
According to Wikipedia F2G is only 4 cm longer than F4U. :o

It’s all in the packaging, the firewall was moved aft in the F2G, compare the location of
the exhausts between the F4U and the F2G.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-np8qKiPz2hg/VNPhLVFf2AI/AAAAAAAAHio/35k-qu4RNeM/s1600/F4U%2B4360%2Bvs%2B2800%2Bweb%2Bcrop.jpg)
F4U-1M (Wasp Major testbed) nose to nose with R2800 powered Corsair.

The scrap view of the F4U-1M in the centre of the drawing also shows the
difference when compared to the profiles at the right.
BTW the XF4U-3B was turbosupercharged.

(http://www.vought.org/photo/html/pimages/down/1532_014_22.gif)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: ysi_maniac on October 20, 2018, 04:46:52 pm
(http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j340/ysi_maniac/Drawing/CorsairChryslerStudy.jpeg) (http://s1080.photobucket.com/user/ysi_maniac/media/Drawing/CorsairChryslerStudy.jpeg.html)

Here you can see F4U, F2G and my design.

According to wikipedia F2G was only 4 cm longer than F4U :o

Anyway in my definitive version, the plane will be 72 cm longer than standard F4U (measured in the base of propeller), so 1 cm more in my 1/72 model. 8)

I have moved radiator a little forward,

:smiley:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: NARSES2 on October 21, 2018, 12:11:27 am
Interesting photo of those "birdcage" Corsairs with the latter engines Jon  :thumbsup:

Nice profiles Carlos  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: kitnut617 on October 21, 2018, 06:12:31 am
Interesting photo of those "birdcage" Corsairs with the latter engines Jon  :thumbsup:

Nice profiles Carlos  :thumbsup:

+1   :thumbsup:

The Wasp Major 'Birdcage' would make a good what-if I think (memo to self: pick up some more silicone rubber for moulds)
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 21, 2018, 10:35:26 pm
Interesting photo of those "birdcage" Corsairs with the latter engines Jon  :thumbsup:

Nice profiles Carlos  :thumbsup:

+1   :thumbsup:

The Wasp Major 'Birdcage' would make a good what-if I think (memo to self: pick up some more silicone rubber for moulds)

I have the 1/48 Tamiya F4U-1 and 1/48 Special Hobby F2G destined for an engine swap.  ;D
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: joncarrfarrelly on October 21, 2018, 10:55:19 pm
A bit of esoterica that may be of interest. OAL is installed length.
F4U-1/1C: R2800-8/8W Dia: 52.50", OAL: 88.47"
F4U-4/7: R2800-18/18W Dia: 52.80", OAL: 93.77"
F4U-5: R2800-32W Dia: 52.80", OAL: 96.5"

F4U-1(WM): Wasp Major TSB1-G (R4360) Dia: 52.50", OAL: 96.75"
F2G-1: R4360-4 Dia: 52.50", OAL: 96.75"
Title: Re: F4U, AU1 (Vought), FG1, F2G (Goodyear), and F3A (Brewster) Corsair.
Post by: KJ_Lesnick on November 14, 2018, 01:15:00 pm
I like the Corsair SAW, the F4U with the Napier Sabre, and the Vulture drawings best