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Title: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Mossie on November 05, 2006, 04:51:37 pm
Anyone know anything about this, a proposed RAF F-117C?

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/F-117CRAF.jpg)

I found it browsing for the F-117X for another thread.  I've never heard about it before, I guess if it's not just a web rumour it was proposed for FOAS (it says Tornado GR.4 replacement in the blurb).  A possible destination for the F-117 when the USAF retire theirs?

Note the differences to the F-117A, all clear canpoy, new intakes, F414 or EJ200 powerplant, possibility of lower sweep wings similar to F-117X.

Unlikely I think, but thought provoking.....
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: GTX on November 05, 2006, 05:09:15 pm
Don't have any details - though the rumours about upgraded F-117s being offered to the RAF have been around for ages.  Here is a crude side view:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e68/GTwiner/he-162/scan.jpg)

Regards,

Greg
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 06, 2006, 12:08:10 am
Ideas are coming, guys! I've got an old F-117, buble canopies from Heller, French British, and many others countries roundels... maybe a surprise this week... just love this forum for that!!!  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: GeorgeC on November 06, 2006, 02:31:58 am
Yep, 1995 puts it firmly in the early stages of the FOAS studies, back in the days when it was planned to replace the Tornado after about 30 years in service (2010) rather than the likely 45-50 years.  This rather nice picture goes with all those wacky AVPRO(?) drawings of x wings and ucavs flying off nuclear powered stealth carriers.  I do think that the F117 was considered by the Air Staffs, back in the days when we had people there with time but no budget, and this is a little like those USN carrier versions.

Given that 'niche' capabilities and costs of the F117, to get an RAF roundel on it one would have to imagine the Cold War running on and perhaps a small batch purchase of 20-30 aircraft to give a cutting-edge capability on the first wave.  I would have thought that an A12 would have been more likely for a bulk replacement of Tornado, assuming funding was in place to continue development and enough UK content could have been inserted in the programme.              
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Hobbes on November 06, 2006, 03:24:52 am
F-117 variant I built a while ago (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=4500&st=30&#entry55481)
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Mossie on November 06, 2006, 06:23:53 am
George, some of the pics of Avpro projects can be found in this thread:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...=12094&hl=avpro (http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=12094&hl=avpro)  I've bumped it up to make it easier to find.

And I thought I'd post some of the better ones just because it's nice to see them again:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/AvproFOAS-1.jpg)
Avpro FOAS 1 manned/unmanned concept, like platforms.

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/AvproFOASConcept2.jpg)
Avpro FOAS 2 manned/unmanned concept, unlike platforms.

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/AvproFCBA.jpg)
Avpro Future Carrier Borne Aircraft

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/AvproAvenger.jpg)
Avpro Avenger VTOL UCAV

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i176/Mossie105/Aircraft/AvproArchangel2.jpg)
Avpro Archangel UCAV

Like the model of your RAF F-117 Hobbes!
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: GeorgeC on November 06, 2006, 06:58:00 am
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George, some of the pics of Avpro projects can be found in this thread:
Ah yes those are exactly the ones I was thinking of.  I am reminded of Blackadder's sketch of the German lines 'Perhaps there were fewer elephants..'
:)  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Mossie on November 06, 2006, 08:37:39 am
Ah, it all comes back to me now!  :lol:  I love Blackadder, especially Blackadder Goes Forth, it really puts war into context.

Theres a few more Avpro concepts with some three views here (a few from other manufacturers too): http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/future/uavs.htm (http://www.aeronautics.ru/archive/future/uavs.htm)
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Shasper on November 06, 2006, 10:36:53 am
Try to dig up  WAPJ no. 14 (or is it 24? IDR), it's main focus is on the 117 & it should mention all the proposed versions, including the RAF bird.

Shas B)
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 07, 2006, 05:46:43 pm
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Don't have any details - though the rumours about upgraded F-117s being offered to the RAF have been around for ages.  Here is a crude side view:
That crude side view looks pretty good.  I was wondering about the bubble canopy and how that would look.  While I was in my "man cave" this afternoon I was sorting through parts that I had boxed for a kit bash of a 1/72nd scale Italeri F-15 fuselage with the wings from the Airfix F-22 and spotted the canopy part in the box.  I took a good look at that piece and realized that it looks a lot like the bubble canopy that is portrayed in the drawing.  

Anyone interested in getting that part for a conversion?
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Mossie on November 08, 2006, 01:48:05 am
Yeah, you're right Jerry, the YF-22 canopy has a definate 'shape' compared to the F-22's rounded canopy, it'd probably work well enough.  You can still get kits of the YF-22 out there, Italeri's is available through Hannants & you still see the Airfix kit pop up from time to time.  Testors do a 1/32 YF-22 as well.
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 08, 2006, 02:21:11 am
and Heller  :D  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: elmayerle on November 08, 2006, 03:19:12 am
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Yeah, you're right Jerry, the YF-22 canopy has a definate 'shape' compared to the F-22's rounded canopy, it'd probably work well enough.  You can still get kits of the YF-22 out there, Italeri's is available through Hannants & you still see the Airfix kit pop up from time to time.  Testors do a 1/32 YF-22 as well.
I've got a couple Testors YF-22 kits that will be parted out for other projects.  I can make one canopy available.
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 08, 2006, 05:42:55 am
I'm more and more tempted to do it, guys! I have an A-10 canopy which seems to fit well (albeit the framed windshield is not the best thing...).
 
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 08, 2006, 11:02:18 am
I did it this afternoon! here some pics :)

(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/Archibaldlecter/F-117/103_1885.jpg)

(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/Archibaldlecter/F-117/103_1879.jpg)

(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/Archibaldlecter/F-117/103_1881.jpg)

 
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Mossie on November 08, 2006, 12:22:31 pm
Blimey Archie, your a quick one! :o Hmm, does give it a slightly different look.  Did it fit in fairly easily or need some persuasion?
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 08, 2006, 02:19:59 pm
My poor english... I suppose you mean "was it difficult to built?"
 
Well scrapping the dorsal spine, the frontal...spine (there's only spines on this thing :wacko: ).  There was two big rectangular holes, filled with cardboard. This gave a flat area. After that, graft the canopy on it...not ideal, it's an A-10 canopy (thanks Heller!) too much hurry to wait five days a YF-22 windshield...

Made that in three hours... I'm nearly as productive as comrade anthony some days...

I have high-viz British decals, but no idea of the camo. dark blue and grey ? green and grey ? dark blue and green ?  :wacko:  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Shasper on November 08, 2006, 03:56:58 pm
Gray/green is very approapriat.

Shas B)
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Mossie on November 08, 2006, 04:23:24 pm
I agree with Shas, grey/green is the way to go.  The actual colours are called 'Dark Green' & 'Dark Sea Grey' & it's similar to the camouflage seen on the AdA's Mirages & other aircraft.

You could alo go with with all over dark sea grey for strike aircraft after 1995 or the two tone grey scheme (dark sea grey/dark camouflage grey) seen after 1999:
http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/draw/t_gr1_99.jpg (http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/draw/t_gr1_99.jpg).

Up to you mate!
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 08, 2006, 06:25:18 pm
Not sure if any of you remember this WHIF F-117 in Aeronavale markings that was built by Valentin Bueno.  

The article is located in the archives of Hyperscale at this link: Aeronavale F-117 Nighthawk (http://www.kitparade.com/features01/f117nvb_1.htm).  

I thought it was rather well done and for a 1/72nd scale model it looks a lot larger than it really is.  

Perhaps Archie would like to try a similar camouflage scheme on his WHIF F-117?  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 08, 2006, 11:38:15 pm
Thanks guys! Lovely model, but this is a AdA Nighthawk if you look at the roundels... he forget the anchors!!!! impressive build!!!

Paint is not for the next days, I out of my home for one week :(  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Nick on November 09, 2006, 03:17:26 pm
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I agree with Shas, grey/green is the way to go.  The actual colours are called 'Dark Green' & 'Dark Sea Grey' & it's similar to the camouflage seen on the AdA's Mirages & other aircraft.
I use Tamiya spray cans, specifically Ocean Grey and RAF Dark Green, to do the RAF's modern camouflage schemes.

Nick B)  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 14, 2006, 12:13:17 pm
Thanks for the precisions guys! I plan to paint this one as soon as I'm coming back home, in some days... stay tunned!! (I still have some cool squadrons markings left by this Vulcan... and some union jacks, too!

Do you think that this F-117C could carry an union jack ? and were to put this lovely flag on such an angled aircraft ?  :wacko:  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Mossie on November 15, 2006, 08:46:48 am
It can be done Archie, I've had a play with an F-117 underside image & a Union Flag, I'll post them when I can as I'm at a party tonight.
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 15, 2006, 02:06:13 pm
enjoy the party  ;)  beers and girls (if any). The F-117C could be painted in two days (archie is back) but I left the digital camera to Stephanie (no photos until the 24th November  :( )  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 17, 2006, 01:06:55 pm
Et voila! I painted it today! Pictures ASAP...
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Jeffry Fontaine on November 17, 2006, 03:03:41 pm
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Thanks guys! Lovely model, but this is a AdA Nighthawk if you look at the roundels... he forget the anchors!!!! impressive build!!!
Archibald, you must remember that this is a Stealth Attack Aircraft and what better method of concealing this fact then intentionally leaving off the Anchors that would disclose the origin of the aircraft and give up the element of surprise that an aircraft carrier brings when it launches a surprise attack.  The enemy will be looking for an airfield nearby instead of searching the oceans for an aircraft carrier
 ;)  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on November 18, 2006, 02:17:09 am
Good call!!!  :lol:  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Maverick on November 19, 2006, 02:38:21 am
I'm in the process of an F/A-117N bash using some poo-poo (with an english accent) Chinese knockoff... i think it's Zhengdefu... the tru bonus is the fact that the canopy is a clear part that get's painted... allowing a clear canopy to be created cause the frame lines are vague as all crap neway
 
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on February 07, 2007, 11:11:26 am
BUMP !!! [/size]

The project had been stalled for three months... sice this afternoon. I received a new A-10 canopy (former had been wasted by putty fumes  :blink: ).

I'm not planning something original for the camo, but the plane looks better than before...  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on February 13, 2007, 01:38:35 am
First pic

(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i24/Archibaldlecter/F-117/103_2269.jpg)

 
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Jschmus on February 13, 2007, 02:21:59 am
Wow!  Somehow, that teardrop canopy looks right at home on the angular F-117.  Nice work!
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on February 13, 2007, 03:08:42 am
I atempted to make a cool noseart, representing  Wile E. Coyote  (because the aircraft run fast in the desert  :P )

Canopy come fron an A-10, with many,many putty...  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: Archibald on February 13, 2007, 09:31:51 am
Thread to continue on the workbench section  ;)  
Title: Re: F-117 Stealth Aircraft
Post by: royabulgaf on March 05, 2007, 02:28:24 pm
To anyone out there interested in doing this type of model:  The AMT 1/72 F-117A has a shallower wing sweep and is somewhat pudgier than the actual F-117A.  It might be a better starting point.