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Picture Post => Current and Finished Projects => Topic started by: K5054NZ on February 20, 2006, 09:22:24 PM

Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 20, 2006, 09:22:24 PM
This will probably be my very first TSR.2 in kit form.* This has taken Yannick "PolluxDeltaSeven" a long time to finish, and he has put more effort into this than I have in me to make one of the suckers! I only hope he can tell you himself how hard he has worked on this one aircraft alone.

ENJOY!

(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi15.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa388%2FZacYates%2FNZ8003final.jpg&hash=0205d5558fef8db3ebaf84eb4a5b3e65917e1b06)
(if anyone wants to see this pic at full size, totally amazing!, just PM myself or Yannick)

I'll leave it for the creative master Yannick to explain NZ8003's current condition:

"-There is 1 white star under the pilote's canopy: that's for an air-to-air kill, made by a IR missile against an Indonesian Hawk Mk.100. Under the WISO canopy, there are three full black stars. That's mean that the 8003 was the leader of 3 allied bombing missions. The 2 empty black stars means that he was the leader during 2 maritime strike missions... And of course, all those missions was successful!!
-For the serial numbers, they are the most weathered markings on the plane. That's normal. The pilotes and crews often repaint the roundels and sometimes the squadron markings because of the too numerous friendly kills over Indonesia. Two German Tornado, a French Mirage and an Italian F-16 were already destroyed like that, and 3 pilotes are dead.
That's also the reason of the black and white marking on the top of the tail: that's the symbol of the Indonesian Crisis for all the allied combat aircraft during the war.
-The whole markings: at the begining, I was planned to draw more markings, with a lot of things writing, like on a F-4 Phantom or something like that. But I decide that wgile the plane was repainted just when the crisis begin, the painter don't loose their time in painting unused marking like "don't step here" or "don't push it"   :lol:  :lol: "

Yannick has also suggested alternative aircraft for the RNZAF's fighter force - F16s, Mirage 2000/4000 (to make up for the Rainbow Warrior bombing), and.....GRIPENS!!!!! Sounds good to me - Swedish all the way!

*BTW, if anyone has any spare lo-viz RNZAF markings in 1:72 that they don't need, I'd very much like to hear from you, as I have absolutely none at all. Or, for that matter, a 1:72 TSR.2 kit. Everything much appreciated!
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 20, 2006, 09:24:18 PM
Sorry guys, photobucket absolutely hates this picture, it's actually larger than 1:72 scale! I'm trying to rectify the problem, stand by. Please be patient, I'd hate to leave you with one miniscule picture - so unsatisfying  :rolleyes: !
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 20, 2006, 09:42:49 PM
Okay, this time:
(https://www.whatifmodellers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi15.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa388%2FZacYates%2FNZ8003.jpg&hash=9184901df70b69689846e6f7c33b3f550a5dc8de)
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 20, 2006, 09:43:35 PM
*sigh* Sorry, this doesn;t seem to be able to work. I'm stumped and disappointed, argh!
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: SimonR on February 21, 2006, 01:59:24 AM
This would look awesome built as a model, Zac. So hold your breath and start chopping the sh!t out of some resin!  :cheers:  
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on February 21, 2006, 03:34:55 AM
There is the HQ picture of the beast!!
click here (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eaglegr6indonesiantheaterflout.jpg)

Hope you like all the details!! I'm sorry, but I think I will not have the time today to post a lot about this profile that is my favourite one!!
But I think Zac could answer a lot of yourquestions ;)

Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: Ollie on February 21, 2006, 05:34:57 AM
Oh my...

It makes me want to ditch my F-4s...

:P  :rolleyes:  :D  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  :wub:  
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: anthonyp on February 21, 2006, 05:48:36 AM
Sure, get my hopes up that someone else saw the wisdom of adopting the F-15, when all it is is another ugly TSR.2  :P

Looks good, for a Thunderchicken.

:cheers:  :cheers:  
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: John Howling Mouse on February 21, 2006, 04:59:15 PM
PDS, you are one hell of an artist!  Zac, I sent you a PM to request the full-size image before I got down to PDS's link.  When you click a second time on his pic, it gets even bigger!

I have a 1:48 Dynavector TSR2 kit that is just begging for something different.
I'm torn b/w going the "real-life" road but white will end up looking like one of those painted wooden desktop models.

PDS' camo scheme may be just the ticket.  With the old see-through RCAF roundels in black, of course!  

Abso-friggin-lutely phenomenal!

:wub:  :wub:  :wub:  
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 21, 2006, 09:20:03 PM
Desktop model? I was going to do the same with one of Lee's pirate models, in the colours of the 1967 demonstrator perhaps. In a "flying attitude", on a stand, with grey or blue canopy. Given to the PM of the time by BAC's rep.


The more Kiwi Eagles the better! C'mon Oll, you can do it!



Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 21, 2006, 09:23:10 PM
And Baz, I'm pretty sure the full-size version is close to, or actually is, 1:72! Awesome stuff! I just love the "enhancements" done to the aircraft to make it a GR.6. PD7's next work is to be NZ8004 on delivery, in A4K-style three-tone green green and grey, as seen in the RNZAF A4K in the Modeling Madness Scooters comp. With overwing Sidewinders etc, hopefully!
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 21, 2006, 09:34:21 PM
I meant Keith "I'm A Kiwi" Holyoake, the NZ PM! Screw Wilson!


PM on its way.
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on February 22, 2006, 05:10:33 PM
Hello you all!!

QuotePDS, you are one hell of an artist!
I'm very happy to see you love it!! I know that the TSR.2 could be a borring plane for some of you, so I try to get this one as beautiful as possible, but still realistic!!

The weathering was the most difficult but -for me- the most interesting stuff to do, specially around the pannel lines, where  the paint souffered from the Polynesian crisis!!

QuoteAnd Baz, I'm pretty sure the full-size version is close to, or actually is, 1:72!

Actually, my own computer's screen is a big 22" one, and the full size drawing looks like some 1:48 model!! That's amazing!!


Voilà, that's all for this week.
I'm sorry, I won't be able to post you the story of this beautiful bird and it's dangerous missions with the Aussies, American and European Allies... It's 2:00Am here, and I have my train to Paris at 10:00AM. And of course, I'm not ready at all!!
So, I leave you ;)

I'll be back next Monday ;)

Have a good week you all!!
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 23, 2006, 12:06:04 PM
Thanks a bunch Yannick, have a good week and see you soon! ^_^  
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: Gekko_1 on February 28, 2006, 09:07:21 AM
Excellent side profile Yannick! Looks like you are learning fast!

Keep up the good work!

Hey Zac give me a shout when you get your TSR.2, I'm sure to have some spare Kiwi roundels here somewhere  :P

Cheers

Richard.
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: PolluxDeltaSeven on February 28, 2006, 05:08:41 PM
Hello everybody! I'm back from Paris where I bought some clear decal film to do my own decals!! It's seams that I could finally do a Kiwi Mirage 2000 or Gripen one of those days ;)


And thanks Richard! Indeed, I try to learn fast, but a lot of people help me for that, you Gekko, but also Alanqua (the guy who published some Mirage 4000 profiles on a french magazine) and my best girl friend who's studying arts at Paris' Gobelin School...
I thank you all for all your help and of course Zac for all his ideas and support !!

I have a lot of work those days at the university, but I will soon draw another TSR.2 I think, but I think without all the long modifications I plan sometimes ago like weapons pylons etc... It will be for the third one ;)
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on February 28, 2006, 10:20:55 PM
Looking forward to it, Yannick! Great stuff.

And Richard, check your inbox  ;) .
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on March 02, 2006, 01:56:14 PM
Richard, when will you reply? :(


Right, now that I have 3.75 TSR.2s in my collection I will get to work on them today - SimonR, your kit has had some pour plugs removed, but until I can gain access to a respirator mask and outside open air, I'll have to put that one aside for now.

One quick question - is it essential to use CA to glue resin? Or will Revell Contacta suffice?
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: Ollie on March 02, 2006, 02:45:16 PM
You have to use CA Zac boy.

;)  
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: Ollie on March 02, 2006, 02:45:57 PM
And I suggest you use gel CA, much more easier to work with.

^_^  
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on March 02, 2006, 04:24:53 PM
I just got "Hot Stuff" CA, hopefully it works okay.
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: Spellbinder99 on March 02, 2006, 06:22:25 PM
Zac, you really need to approach a large resin kit with caution, expecially one you have limited chances to mess up. Not that I am saying you will, but it pays to take caution to ensure a better result with less filling and fixing.

In the case of major resin fuselage sections as seen in the Heritage kit and recast versions, you should go with a two part epoxy or gel style superglue so that you have time to align parts and get them as close to each other as possible before they set. This will lessen the amount of filling required.
If you use an instant style superglue it is far too easy to join parts out of alignment.

Consider drilling holes and gluing in brass alignment pins for smaller parts and spend a lot of time fettling the parts and dry fitting them before adding the first drop of glue. The need to add the wingtips from another casting is a classic example of joints that may need internal reinforcement. Lee has done dozens of these kits so I daresay he knows where to trim and grind the parts in his sleep, but new operators need caution.

Sit down with the parts and work out any extra detailing to add before you start, so that you arent trying to drill or grind away at bits that have allready been glued together.

That Lees castings can be made into a fine TSR.2 is not in dispute, what you do with the raw materials is up to you. As to Hot Stuff hopefuly being ok, why not test it out on some waste material like sawn off pour stubs and make sure how long you have to align parts and how easy it is to reposition them.

Cheers

Tony
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on March 02, 2006, 10:02:56 PM
Thanks Tony. Well said, I shall definitely heed your words. I like dry-fitting anyway, shall try the waste resin first, and search out gel CA.

Thanks again.
Title: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: K5054NZ on March 05, 2006, 03:41:11 PM
I;ve posted the backstory on FSM, ARC and MM. I will DEFINITELY do it on Hyperscale as well, but I forgot my password. I'll provide links when the constructive criticism rolls in  ;) .
Title: Re: RNZAF Eagle NZ8003
Post by: KiwiZac on March 31, 2009, 12:47:14 AM
BUMP..............


;D y'all thought I'd gone off the old girl, hadn't ya? Hehehe......RNZAF Eagle #2 is on the way....


still looking for those lo-viz RNZAF markings as well, so speak up if you havge any ;)