Hey everyone. I've been trying to decide what to do with my Hobbycraft MiG-25 all week, but I'm drawing a blank. The only thing that comes to mind would be to paint it semi-gloss black with North Korean markings and scratchbuild a small tac-nuke for the centerline. What do y'all think? Thanks for your input. Later.
Jon
Noseart: KIM JONG THRILLA
The highspeed bomber sounds plenty good enough. Perhaps some squiggle/mottled camo for the topside?
USAF Red Hat aggressor? Not as far fetched as you might think :)
J
Some MiG-25s were built as SEAD aircraft- this is from Greg Goebel's site:
Quote* Along with the interceptor and reconnaissance variants, the Soviets developed a "suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD)" variant of the MiG-25. The idea had actually been around since before the first flight of any Foxbat prototype, embodied in a "Ye-155K" proposal, to eventually emerge as the "MiG-25BM", which was assigned the NATO codename of "Foxbat-F".
The USSR did not like the "up close and personal" approach of American "Wild Weasel" defense suppression aircraft and decided to adopt a "standoff" approach. The Foxbat-F was equipped with a sophisticated Yaguar (Jaguar) RHAWS, in a nose with 20 centimeter (8 inch) extension plug and dielectric panels for receiving antennas on the sides. The MiG-25BM carried a total of four "Kh-58" (NATO "AS-11 Kilter") antiradar missiles (ARMs) on its wing pylons. The Kh-58 has a range of more than 48 kilometers (30 miles), and was the first operational Soviet ARM that could be carried by a fighter-class aircraft.
The MiG-25BM generally carried the big 5,300 liter (1,400 US gallon) centerline tank. Since the MiG-25BM was a single-seat aircraft while US Wild Weasel platforms were two-seaters, pilot workload was probably on the high side.
The initial prototype was rebuilt from a MiG-25RBV and performed its initial flight in 1976. Production of the MiG-25BM began in 1982 and continued into 1985, with about a hundred built. Most or all Foxbat-Fs featured black-painted noses as a "deception" scheme to make them look like interceptors in surveillance images.
When East Germany was still a major basing area for the Soviet Frontal Aviation, there were -25BMs that were camouflaged.
So you could build it as a -25BM updated to today's standards- newer avionics and Kh-31 (AS-17 Krypton) missiles underwing. Disruptive splinter camouflage and Ukranian roundels.
Or if you wanna really go nucking futs, do the proposed supersonic bizjet version:
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Give it Aeroflot markings like it's some sort of VVIP bird.
I've always fancied seeing one done up in CDN markings, as we could use an interceptor to stop US overflights.
Woah Sentinel Chicken, that Aeroflot supersonic bizjet is amazing! Hands-down, it's the best looking SST I've ever seen!
Brian da Basher
P.S. I'd love to see one in Eastern Airlines livery.
SEAD Foxbat gets my vote.
When Viktor Belenko flew his MiG-25 to Japan in 1976, he brought the pilot's manual with him-he fully expected to teach American pilots to fly the Foxbat. Now, if the Japanese had consented, his bird winds up in Dreamland with the Red Hats...
Flying it would have to be done carefully, unlike the MiG-17s, -19s, -21s, and -23s
flown by the Red Hats, there would've been no ready source of spare parts. Instead, the Japanese only allowed the U.S. to examine the plane, photograph it,
do ground tests of the radar and engines, before shipping it back to the Russians-
in pieces.
The proposed four-seat "priority transport" version - not as stretched as the SSBBJ, but with four separate canopies but only the pilot having controls and insturments, the rest were all for passengers or very high priority cargo.
North Koreeeeeaaaaaaa ^_^ !
You could go real world and do a Belenko diorama.....nah, I know - that buried Foxbat you showed me! Or, better yet, SEAD!
Drag Racer.....clip the wings and add some BIG tyres :wub:
QuoteBut why use a MiG-25 when you have the CF-105, eh?
;)
I was going with the idea that the -25 entered service whilst the 105 didn't.
Wonder where I got that idea ?
QuoteInstead, the Japanese only allowed the U.S. to examine the plane, photograph it, do ground tests of the radar and engines, before shipping it back to the Russians-in pieces.
Well, most of it anyway... Let's just say that Belenko's airplane was a few thousand pounds lighter when it returned to the USSR than it was when it left, and I ain't talkin' about fuel :)
J
QuoteBut why use a MiG-25 when you have the CF-105, eh?
;)
Because the MiG25 actually got to see service????????
I'm suddenly in this situation too. I've got a hasegawa foxbat sitting around. Mabye I'll do the tailsitter, since I've got an extra set of wings around. :wub:
Either that or an Satellite killer with laser pod and ASAT missiles. Nah, I'll do that to the MiG-31. Tailsitter for me!
Hey guys. Been thinking about this one again lately. I think I've decided on a SEAD plane in Yuktobanian markings. The camo would be a psuedo-fractal version of SEA camo, light green uppers with brown and gray brushmarks, and gray unders. What kind of modifications would I have to make to a standard Foxbat to make a SEAD one? What kind of loadout should it have? Thanks again for all input.
Jon
Search for MiG-25BM if you want to go real-world on your SEAD MiG-25. It was a real aircraft which carried 4 Kh-58 ARMs on underwing pylons.
For a what-if, maybe remodel the R-40 missiles from the MiG-25 by shaving the large wings down to strakes. Add avionics pods on the wingtips to house the RWR/target designation equipment and ECM.
Israel.........................
QuoteWhat kind of modifications would I have to make to a standard Foxbat to make a SEAD one? What kind of loadout should it have?
As overscan said, you would probably use the MiG-25BM as a reference point, since it was the Russian/Soviet SEAD MiG-25 variant. As seen in the pics below, the nose was remodeled to remove the original radar and replace it with systems for the SEAD role (the Jaguar antiradar system, target designation system for the Sych antiradiation homing missile, defensive electronic ECM system consisting of the Beryoza-L radio surveillance system and Syren-1D-OZh and Lyutik active jamming systems to be exact). As for weapons, the KH-58 ARM was the primary weapon, though gravity bombs could also be carried (as shown in one of the pics). I have included a couple of pics of the KH-58 for you as well.
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I hope this helps.
Regards,
Greg
USAF bought some from Syria, for use in the Fighter schools as aggressors!
Mount a Tsybin NM-1 on its back, put winter ice skids alongside the tyres, tip the MiG with a tactical nuke and you have a Mistelski!
But to find an NM-1................
Daryl J.
GTX:
What is mounted on the inboard underwing pylon in the fourth picture down? It looks like a silver panzerfaust, but obviously that's not it. Modern aircraft are not my strong point!
Thanks,
Andrew
OK, the direction I'm planning on heading with this build is jsut a real-world conversion to to MiG-25BM, but kind of "fishy" so to speak. I love the look of the extended nose cone, so that has to be there, and I'm thinking of enlarging the wingtip pods(more electronics?), and blowing the canopy out a little to give it more of a bubble feel. I will probably cut up the kit missile to convert them to Kh-58's, anad track down 2 small centerline bombs as shown in the pics. I might find some fine mesh to stretch across the intake openings, because sucking in a bird or tree limb flying Mach 2 125 ft. off the deck probably isn't a good thing! :P
Probably the most "whiffy" part of this buuld will be the markings. As I said earlier, it will be painted up in the services of the Yuktobanian Air Wing. Any AceCombat 5 fans out there know exactly what I'm talking about. B) I'm having a hard time describing the camo scheme I've envisioned. If anyone has the kit, look at the Soviet markings on the back. Now take that green and gray camo, and fractalize it a bit. Not a true fractal, but just enough to square it off and get the effect. I'm hoping for this to be a fairly straightforward build that should be a lot of fun. But looking at those fuselage halves, I'm starting to think that I might have my work cut out for me.......... :wacko:
Jon
QuoteWhat is mounted on the inboard underwing pylon in the fourth picture down? It looks like a silver panzerfaust, but obviously that's not it
Andrew,
Believe it or not, but you're not that far off - I believe it's actually an S-25-OF heavy unguided rocket still in it's launch tube. Here's a picture of one being launched:
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Regards,
Greg
QuoteBut to find an NM-1................
Daryl,
Kora models did a Resin one in 1/72 - you can order one here (http://www.lfmodels.cz/detail.asp?Sortiment=21&ID=7250):
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Regards,
Greg
Yikes- I had no idea unguided rockets were still being used! There's a great kitbashed Tsybin in 1/48 over at Hyperscale:
http://hsfeatures.com/tsybinrsrpb_1.htm (http://hsfeatures.com/tsybinrsrpb_1.htm)
Andrew
OK, sorry to dissapoint, but I've had some things come to light in the past few hours that are probably going to kill off the SEAD conversion...for now. You see, I'm going to be moving in a few weeks, and I have to box up all my model stuff. Well, fully assembled, this kit won't fit back in the box. And with the hours I'm working, and how long I know the putty-sand-reapet phase on this is going to take, I just don't have the time to totally finish the SEAD to the best of my abilities. I think I might use this as a diorama of the buried MiG-25 mentioned earlier in the post, and get another Hobbycraft or maybe a Hasegawa Foxbat for the SEAD later when I've got time. This kinda sucks. Anyway, here are th pics of the buried Foxbat:
http://airpower.callihan.cc/HTML/Spotlight.../IraqiMIG25.htm (http://airpower.callihan.cc/HTML/Spotlight/IraqiMIG25.htm)
Jon -_-
How about:
(1) A Soviet Naval Aviation version (done in the colours of the Soviet Navy's Backfire bombers.)
(2) If you can add a second seat, how about a Soviet version of a "Wild Weasel" flak-suppression aircraft.
Chuck Anderson
cbakiteskites@yahoo.com
University Place, Washington
QuoteIf you can add a second seat, how about a Soviet version of a "Wild Weasel" flak-suppression aircraft.
Chuck,
Essentially the SEAD version we are discussing is a Soviet equivalent of the American "Wild Weasel" concept. SEAD = Suppression of Enemy Air Defences. The MiG-25BM ('Foxbat-F') SEAD variant, carrying four Kh-58 (AS-11 'Kilter') anti-radiation missiles was purposely designed for that role.
If you wanted a two seat version, you could use the MiG-31 some versions of which are also able to use the Kh-31P and Kh-58 (see above) anti-radiation missiles in the SEAD role.
Regards,
Greg
Quote'm thinking of enlarging the wingtip pods(more electronics?)
If you wanted wingtip pods, you could go with a version of the Su-27's Sorbtsiya ECM pods:
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Regards,
Greg
QuoteOK, sorry to dissapoint, but I've had some things come to light in the past few hours that are probably going to kill off the SEAD conversion...for now.
Jon,
That's a pity - but you should emphasise the "for now". Keep taking notes and making plans.
Regards,
Greg
QuoteQuote'm thinking of enlarging the wingtip pods(more electronics?)
If you wanted wingtip pods, you could go with a version of the Su-27's Sorbtsiya ECM pods:
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Regards,
Greg
Anyone have the dimensions on those ECM pods? They're perfect for a project I've got in mind.
Evan,
I don't have the actual dimensions, though I do have some 1/72 line drawings plus plenty of photos if you're interested.
Regards,
Greg
MiG-25 or MiG-31 fitted with Pratt and Whitney J58 engines. A simple WHIF conversion based on the engine exhaust parts from an SR-71 or F-12. This could be accomplished in 1/144th scale, 1/72nd scale, and 1/48th scale with the kits currently available for each subject.
As far as I know, the only MiG-31 kit available was the 1/48th scale Lindberg MiG-31 which has not been seen on a store shelf in many years. Sad that it was not listed as a kit to be available for sale on the Lindberg (http://www.lindberg-models.com/) web page.
Quote from: Overkiller on August 03, 2008, 11:50:29 AMI like the cut of your gib sir!
J-58, or how about J-93's? Maybe switch to a tailless delta wing? Twin seater stretched fuselage? Or how about the airliner proposal?
Hi Duncan,
I was focused on 1/48th scale for the original idea, so the only source I could think of would be the Testors/Italeri SR-71/YF-12 kit for the engine exhaust parts. But the J93 would certainly work for a smaller scale project.
The two seat Foxbat could be cobbled together by using the old Lindberg 1/48th scale MiG-31 Foxhound kit and kit bashing that with the Revell MiG-25.
Delta wing? Guess that could work. Might have to do a bit of scale-o-rama to make it fit but it would certainly be an interesting subject when finished.
While I was station in Wiesbaden, Germany on my last assignment overseas, I acquired a built Revell MiG-25 from another modeler that was getting ready to toss it out. I had an idea for a MiG-25S 'Strike Bat' which would have been a high speed bomb truck. I recall seeing various drawings at the time of a MiG-25 fitted with the 23mm gun package and another drawing suggesting a huge (~700 gallon/3000 Liter) fuel tank strapped to the fuselage both of these concepts were appealing to me. The MiG-25 is now long gone but the idea remains and one of these days I would like to see it through to completion. The weapon load will be much different from my original concept since there are now numerous kits available that contain suitable Russian aircraft ordnance which really helps with the plausibility factor.
I read somewhere that there were plans to build MiG-25 powered by D30F turbofans, and there was an experimental version with inflight refuelling probe.
Why don't we throw all the good idea experiments with MiG-25 together? A D30F-powered, inflight-refuelling-capable MiG-25 equipped with new ECM system and armed with some new ordnances (R-37 and R-77 might be a bit extreme, but certainly R-27ER and R-27ET are better weapons than R-40)?
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on August 03, 2008, 12:47:19 PM
I recall seeing various drawings at the time of a MiG-25 fitted with the 23mm gun package and another drawing suggesting a huge (~700 gallon/3000 Liter) fuel tank strapped to the fuselage both of these concepts were appealing to me.
Gun package? Do you still remember if the gun was in a pylon-mounted pod or in some permanent or semi-permament fuselage installation? And the type of 23mm gun (twin-barrelled or gatling)?
Quote from: dy031101 on August 03, 2008, 10:52:00 PM
Quote from: Jeffry Fontaine on August 03, 2008, 12:47:19 PM
I recall seeing various drawings at the time of a MiG-25 fitted with the 23mm gun package and another drawing suggesting a huge (~700 gallon/3000 Liter) fuel tank strapped to the fuselage both of these concepts were appealing to me.
Gun package? Do you still remember if the gun was in a pylon-mounted pod or in some permanent or semi-permament fuselage installation? And the type of 23mm gun (twin-barrelled or gatling)?
The gun package suggested in the drawing was the same weapon that was fitted to the MiG-23 Flogger.
What about putting a third engine atop the existing ones? Or fitting 'thikish' FAST type fuel packs to the sides of the intakes? Or fitting butterfly-style canted tail surfaces on the back? Or pushbacl the wings and add canards upfront? One other possibility would be to add those light side ridges the F-22 has on the sides of the forward fuselage. Of course paint the resulting aircraft matte black and add zig-zage door and access panels covers all over the place. ;) Have fun!
Regards,
Hammer
Mig-25 or Mig-31 in NASA chase planes colors (like the F-104 and their Hornet successors) maybe with a small rocket exhaust to boost even higher ?
Raspberry ripple Mig-31, yum!
The Mig-25U trainer is butt-ugly unless your scrap the "standard" cockpit. Just keep the forward cockpit.
It also works for Il-28 and Tu-128 trainers...
I remember project to launch microsats from Mig-31. Don't expect more than 40 kg in LEO
now a crazy idea... Zvezno Mig-25, hanged below a Tu-160 :o
Quote from: Overkiller on August 03, 2008, 11:50:29 AM
Maybe switch to a tailless delta wing?
I guess that'd resemble the Avro Arrow, would look good.
How about a derived scaled down fighter (rather than interceptor) version? Scalorama a 1/72 MiG-25/31 into a 1/48 aircraft, with a new canopy & detail changes? Kind of the opposite of what Dassault did with the Mirage 2000 to create the Mirage 4000.
Quote from: Mossie on August 04, 2008, 03:33:28 AM
Quote from: Overkiller on August 03, 2008, 11:50:29 AM
Maybe switch to a tailless delta wing?
I guess that'd resemble the Avro Arrow, would look good.
How about a derived scaled down fighter (rather than interceptor) version? Scalorama a 1/72 MiG-25/31 into a 1/48 aircraft, with a new canopy & detail changes? Kind of the opposite of what Dassault did with the Mirage 2000 to create the Mirage 4000.
Well I used a Mig 31 fuselage for my Super Arrow, there was enough coincedences with the two airframes that it worked into my 'developed' Arrow story quite well:
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,20873.msg296574.html#msg296574
You know, I think I saw a British concept-design called the English-Electric P.42, which looked like a MiG-31 with a little bit of the outboard wing downturned, and it looked a lot like a single-tailed MiG-31 with downward-folding wingtips for high-speed flight.
That would be a very good Delta-MiG-31 like design
KJ_Lesnick
BTW: I was wondering if anybody thought of a Sovietized A-12? Or some kind of design like that (maybe a sovietized CL-2016 which was this pre-ATF design which looked Blackbird-esque)
Quote from: Shasper on August 03, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
Was keeping this sorta under wraps, but I've had a "MiG-31E" strike Fox in the works for the last 5 months or so using the old Revell Foxhound kit from the '80s. . . scratched the CFTs from the kits massive droptanks so we'll see how this turns out.
Shas 8)
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is this what you meant KJ?
I have the Lindberg Mig-31, it would make a rivet counter pull his hair out! would work ok for us but it is not the best fit, and it has pretty soft detail, easily fixed though. It would be cool to bash the Foxbat and Foxhound. It's still in the planning stages but i wanted to put super hornet LEXs on a Foxbat...think that would be pretty neat.
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is this what you meant KJ?
Yup, that's the basic design, however, I would want to add some MiG-31 characteristics to the design. For example, I think it would look better with a twin-tail set-up, and narrower inlets to be more like the actual MiG-31 design.
KJ Lesnick
I built the lindberg MiG 31 when i was a young JMN.
As i recall it had raised panel lines, which i was too tired to do anything about after scratch building a cockpit with open canopies and making mods to the landing gear which gave it much longer arms but made it incapable of drinking coffee* (or supporting the model)
I then came up with a terrifying whiff plan that would have resulted in something resembling a unfortunate liason between a YF-22 and an Su-27 I may have pics at home unfortunately I will not be home (or have access to the 'net) till next weekend. I didn't actually build it and unfortunately everything except the cockpit has been consigned to the bin.
* first person to guess where that rather paraphrased phrase comes from gets nowt except their on smug sense of self satisfaction ;D
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is this what you meant KJ?
Yup, that's the basic design, however, I would want to add some MiG-31 characteristics to the design. For example, I think it would look better with a twin-tail set-up, and narrower inlets to be more like the actual MiG-31 design.
KJ Lesnick
agreed. even i think those intakes are too big, and i oversize stuff on my builds all the time. love twin tails and twin pits as well.
Quote from: Overkiller on August 04, 2008, 05:16:16 AM
How about a Chinese copy?
Reading through my recently-purchased Soviet Secret Project, it showed the model pictures of a couple of reconnaissance-purpose concepts with a navigator's station (with a small rectangular window on each side) in the nose ahead of the pilot cockpit.
Which one is more difficult to develop? An automated navigation system or a high-thrust engine?
Maybe a PRC copy of Recee/SEAD Foxbat with downgraded navigation system that requires a navigator to operate?
(Like the pic below but of course without the liftjets.)
I read on several books and the Air Vectors website that a couple of MiG-25s were re-engined with the D-30F turbofans used by the MiG-31.
Interesting. I want to type a fictional story on something like that but then run into a couple of questions (since I don't want to leave too many details to my uneducated guesses):
1. How long would it take to do the modification (re-engining)? How much would it cost per plane?
2. What if, say, a supersonic airliner derivative is to undergo the same re-engining process? Would the aerodynamic differences between the SST and its military siblings enough to warrant its own set of test in order to optimise the re-engined SST?
3. Lastly, how do I spell "supersonic transport" in Anglicized Russian?
155MP - your wing area is probably too small with flogger wings, I'd advise a Fencer. The bigger wings off a Fencer (IIRC) would probably be more fitting for the design, and you could probably blend the dorsal tail fairing into the Hound's spine as well, remembering to keep the drogue chute from the end tail. The tandem-seat would be a likely option for this, or else cover over the second seat, ostensibly for fuel in place of the VG gear to retain flight range.
158 - I'm not sure what delta wing you could find that would have the outer angle you see there - if the root extension on it's an ogival root, you might ostensibly look into a Draken, which might have enough wing area, potentially with a splice in the cord at the fullest length, or a splice on the extension - you could also go a step up and blend the intakes over with a fairing for your root ogive, using a fat LERX like a later fulcrum, loaded full of fuel. The draken might also give you the big dorsal single tail.
155MF - You could take the cockpit section off your Fencer for the 155MP for this project, replacing the wings on that fuselage with your 155MP's fixed wings. The benefit to your aid in this project is the sectionalized architecture of the Revell Foxhound (I have one here) which gives you the whole nose section in one piece, seperate of the fuselage and intakes, though it does mount the diverters that separate the nose and intakes on that piece. I don't recall the architecture on the Fencer by comparison, and that might well require a little surgery.
Tandem-seat fixed wing Fencer - That would be quite an interesting design to see as well.
Quote from: Taiidantomcat on August 10, 2008, 05:28:13 PM
Quote from: Shasper on August 03, 2008, 02:25:03 PM
Was keeping this sorta under wraps, but I've had a "MiG-31E" strike Fox in the works for the last 5 months or so using the old Revell Foxhound kit from the '80s. . . scratched the CFTs from the kits massive droptanks so we'll see how this turns out.
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Eventually I'm gonna add some weapon pylons or attachment points.
Shas 8)
Interesting looking CFT - besides, it's the old Revell kit, aka the Tsukuda kit, and is about as accurate as a tree trunk with wings, so it's just bash fodder anyways.
I have just been watching aircraft stories on Discovery, and it was about Russian fighter planes. I had to do a double take at a Mig-25 taxing along the runway, with freefall bombs under the fuselage. I have never heard of this configuration before, or seen and pictures of this either.
Anyone else seen this before??
Cheers,
Chris.
Quote from: chrisonord on September 07, 2009, 03:06:27 PM
I have just been watching aircraft stories on Discovery, and it was about Russian fighter planes. I had to do a double take at a Mig-25 taxing along the runway, with freefall bombs under the fuselage. I have never heard of this configuration before, or seen and pictures of this either.
Anyone else seen this before??
I personally have not, but reconnaissance MiG-25s can carry bombs to attack geographically-known targets.
About bombs: Only the first MiG-25R built in 1968-69 were "pure" reconnaisance aircrafts, all the next versions (RB, RBK, RBS, RBV, etc...) could carry bombs - initially under 4000, later under 5000 kg; this ability was indicated by the letter "B" in the index. There were two bomb crutches under the wings and two under the fuselage. Also, all previously built MiG-25R were upgraded to the RB standard and also got the bomb weapon.
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/rb/mig25rb_e.htm (http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/mig/25/rb/mig25rb_e.htm)
http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/mikoyan/mig-25rb/page_04.htm (http://www.airforce.ru/aircraft/mikoyan/mig-25rb/page_04.htm)
I myself was unaware of the fuselage crutches, but I knew the RB's could carry bombs in addition to their recce package for a high speed strike option. Always good to learn new things.
Wyrm's and EB's talk of a delta-winged Foxbat got me thinking....
Wings re-arranged to a canard lay-out:
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Canard lay-out with cranked-delta main wing:
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Cranked delta:
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True delta:
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Personally, I like the canard/cranked-delta lay-out best.
Thanks Moritz! :thumbsup:
Very interesting work, Moritz - plenty of food for thought there. I'm with Overkiller - I like the Cranked delta - though mine's going to be a swept dogtooth delta, which should look pretty interesting too.
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on December 20, 2009, 04:42:09 AM
Canard lay-out with cranked-delta main wing:
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Personally, I like the canard/cranked-delta lay-out best.
Seconded! :thumbsup:
Holy thread revival, Batman!
Spotted this on airliners.net, a beauty shot of a MiG-31 lining up for inflight refueling. What's the doodad on the pylon under the right wing?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia---Air/Mikoyan-Gurevich-MiG-31/2040593/L/
Er, there's no link there Jschmus.............
Quote from: Jschmus on December 30, 2011, 06:22:35 PM
Holy thread revival, Batman!
Spotted this on airliners.net, a beauty shot of a MiG-31 lining up for inflight refueling. What's the doodad on the pylon under the right wing?
Dual rail mount for AA-8/R-60 Aphids
Thanks for the insperation. I've put a pair of RA-5C wings on a F-117 and called it the 'F-117 Delta'.
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Very nice :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: Zero-Sen on February 01, 2022, 06:26:33 PM
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This is actually bang on how I envisioned building a Mach 3 Mirage from an old Revell Foxhound. Then I bought a Sharkit resin kit that I haven't dared to start. Yet. :rolleyes:
An attempt to build it for the Recce & Surveillance GB ...
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